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[IDEA] - Developer should unite their ROMs

Hi,
I see that we have many many roms and 2 types of Sapphire (32B and 32A)
Now I have an idea to help users to install and change rom easierly.
Please read all idea before replying. Some ideas relate to others.​
1. All developer should make 2 choices : 32A rom or 32B rom
2. 32B rom have data/app_s. Running system application on flash memory is more stable and faster than running on ext partition sdcard
3. Recovery should have new feature : Wipe data except data/app_s
Amon_RA should add this feature in his recovery.
4. Developers should remove his own theme, 3rd application (which can download from market), moded application ... from rom, rom will be more stable and smaller
5. If developer want share his theme or moded application or add new feature, he should share extend update in an update_extend.zip on his topic. I suggest him to use 1 folder on sdcard and command *.sh file
If you used iPhone, you will see that moded FW of iPhone OS doesn't include theme, extend application (which can download from Appstore). Why can't we do that? I think almost people just want to find a stable rom without theme, without extend application

Some good ideas
+1 from me
Moar standardization pleez

Sounds like the OP is ill-informed, and wants an iPhone.

funbacon said:
4. Developers should remove his own theme, 3rd application (which can download from market), moded application ... from rom, rom will be more stable and smaller
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i've seen a few of these in the dream forum.
the developer releases the rom as a base package. ie. rom only, no (or very few customisations).
then add on packs are released to add 3rd party apps and customisations.
eg. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456
this developer has released 4 different roms. each one comes as a base rom that is rooted, and each rom also then has an expansion pack.
themes are then installed as separate downloads.
the post is also very clearly laid out. i wish more developers took the time to create such understandable threads.

Isn't this request cramping developer's style?
Yes that is what you may want. But at the end of the day, they are doing it out of their enjoyment. It's their project and they have free reign on what they do and when they do it. Out of shear good will developers share. Its not up to us to make requests on how things should be. Our roles is to be supportive and grateful for their contributions.
That's not to say your ideas aren't valid... perhaps just not entirely feasible.

ice_prophecy said:
Isn't this request cramping developer's style?
Yes that is what you may want. But at the end of the day, they are doing it out of their enjoyment. It's their project and they have free reign on what they do and when they do it. Out of shear good will developers share. Its not up to us to make requests on how things should be. Our roles is to be supportive and grateful for their contributions.
That's not to say your ideas aren't valid... perhaps just not entirely feasible.
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Good Say My friend

seems like a pretty simple request. but what was said earlier has merit as well, since it is really the developer's choice since its done for free.
but yeah, some sort of options like Enthomer is nice. But then again those updates made by AmonRa and Cyanogen is awesome as well. Fast, stable and useful.
Oh, and I strongly support the part on the way the threads are made. some are really easy to follow up on for change logs and stuff, some are messy.

funbacon said:
If you used iPhone, you will see that moded FW of iPhone OS doesn't include theme, extend application (which can download from Appstore). Why can't we do that? I think almost people just want to find a stable rom without theme, without extend application[/B]
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Search the board (and the Android Market) for MetaMorph which does exactly that.

+1
well, although 'm not a dev, but as users this idea is pretty workable. at least we had lesser unneccesary thread and will look more neat and tidy. thats what make xda more professional and classy. way to go devs. +1 to the idea.
thanks.

OP, good idea, but not everyone may think like you, including the DEVs. There is nothing wrong with what you are stating, but it has been mentioned before that different DEVs want to work on different things; some people want to be unique.
One more thing, can you please not use the word should so much, please?
My wife uses it all the time..."you should clean this" " you should go here" " you should say this". thanks.

ice_prophecy said:
Isn't this request cramping developer's style?
Yes that is what you may want. But at the end of the day, they are doing it out of their enjoyment. It's their project and they have free reign on what they do and when they do it. Out of shear good will developers share. Its not up to us to make requests on how things should be. Our roles is to be supportive and grateful for their contributions.
That's not to say your ideas aren't valid... perhaps just not entirely feasible.
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Agreed. Although some of the requests are somewhat reasonable, it's up to the devs to decide what they want to do with their free time and they are dedicating so much of it to making such great contributions to begin with.

We're not paying for the dev's services, so i dont think we have much pull on how they design their ROMS (nor should we)
I think if you want a specific ROM a specific way. YOU should be learning how to code and cook ROMS for yourself.

OzJD said:
Sounds like the OP is ill-informed, and wants an iPhone.
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Read and lol'd. This is probably pretty close to the truth.

Well I for one salute the OP for finally taking a stand and telling the devs what we really want. After all it is all about ME and what I want and they should bloody well be grateful that I even bother to tell them what is wrong with their work, and they should fix it faster. I am a busy guy and can't be bothered to figure out this stuff for myself....
If any of that even vaguely resonates with you... here is a very small clue, completely free of charge...
The devs do this work for their own reasons. Some do it for the challenge, some do it for fun, some do it because they want something different, some do it for the glory. However, they all share it and make the results of their hard work available for the benefit of us end user types. Many even provide free support and hand holding, answering the same questions over and over.
You can politely ask for things to change. If you structure your request well enough and it makes sense, some devs may see the benefit and change. Others will not. Trying to dictate standards of documentation, presentation, features, or packaging just is not going to work, and quite frankly why should it. They are not doing it for you, you are just benefiting as a side effect of them being willing to release their work.
I am sure if you were willing to pay regular software developer rates for a particular feature set, you could find folks willing to accommodate you. Unless you are willing to do that, consider that you already get far more than you pay for.

rydr1 said:
OP, good idea, but not everyone may think like you, including the DEVs. There is nothing wrong with what you are stating, but it has been mentioned before that different DEVs want to work on different things; some people want to be unique.
One more thing, can you please not use the word should so much, please?
My wife uses it all the time..."you should clean this" " you should go here" " you should say this". thanks.
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I'm Vietnamese and my English is not good. I just know saying " you should do something" is better than saying "you have to do something" or "you must to do something"

ice_prophecy said:
Isn't this request cramping developer's style?
Yes that is what you may want. But at the end of the day, they are doing it out of their enjoyment. It's their project and they have free reign on what they do and when they do it. Out of shear good will developers share. Its not up to us to make requests on how things should be. Our roles is to be supportive and grateful for their contributions.
That's not to say your ideas aren't valid... perhaps just not entirely feasible.
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So I guess we should also stop giving developers suggestions and bug reports, because who wants to fix bugs for enjoyment? I disagree quite a lot with your post; it is in fact our role to make requests. How are ROMs supposed to get better without the input of its users? You completely contradict yourself by saying that we should not "make requests" but we should "be supportive," because by making requests, you are being supportive. By trying to better the project, you are being far more supportive than a silent user.
It's not like funbacon's suggestion has malicious intent. Neither is he trying to dictate what devs should and should not do. You don't have to agree with all of his points, but dismissing the whole thing because of one point, or the fact that he referenced the iPhone, is stupid. It's a suggestion, which most of you have said is a good idea, yet don't think it should be incorporated because... of the vocabulary used? Or maybe it's some other reason, but I have yet to see another valid reason.
Will this work in practice? That's another discussion. But I believe having some standards and general guidelines will be immensely helpful and make it simpler to try different ROMs.
Rydr1, you need counseling. Or a divorce.

bjtheone said:
Well I for one salute the OP for finally taking a stand and telling the devs what we really want. After all it is all about ME and what I want and they should bloody well be grateful that I even bother to tell them what is wrong with their work, and they should fix it faster. I am a busy guy and can't be bothered to figure out this stuff for myself....
If any of that even vaguely resonates with you... here is a very small clue, completely free of charge...
The devs do this work for their own reasons. Some do it for the challenge, some do it for fun, some do it because they want something different, some do it for the glory. However, they all share it and make the results of their hard work available for the benefit of us end user types. Many even provide free support and hand holding, answering the same questions over and over.
You can politely ask for things to change. If you structure your request well enough and it makes sense, some devs may see the benefit and change. Others will not. Trying to dictate standards of documentation, presentation, features, or packaging just is not going to work, and quite frankly why should it. They are not doing it for you, you are just benefiting as a side effect of them being willing to release their work.
I am sure if you were willing to pay regular software developer rates for a particular feature set, you could find folks willing to accommodate you. Unless you are willing to do that, consider that you already get far more than you pay for.
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So... all the developers here make ROMs for themselves, but are nice enough to post it for everyone else to use?
Wow, haha. What a distorted view you have there. (Most?) developers aren't as selfish as you think they are. Developers make ROMs so the people who visit this forum can benefit from them, or at least that's the general reason. Why do you think they release updates often to fix bugs or add new functionality, or address issues and suggestions brought up by users?
Or, if I were to look at it from your point of view: users are just tools that devs use to make their ROM better.
Yeah, no. You shouldn't think so lowly of devs here. They should be appreciated, you know.

1.I will say that i've had android since day 1 and funbacon was around at that time to. helping and making changes himself to certain roms and apks etc...and helped other people, so he shouldnt be treated as a noob that doesnt know what he is talking about or that he is whining because that is not the case.
2. He made a suggestion that has to do with development and posted in the correct spot and he still hears **** from it? when there are people posting in deveoplment forums that has nothing to do it " what rom is the best, or what phone should i buy" and they dont get as much **** as your handing to someone that made a DEVELOPMENT suggestion and a good one. in the correct section. so people shouldnt be downing him for his work/suggestions
p.s funbacon...nice to see you around again

funbacon said:
I'm Vietnamese and my English is not good. I just know saying " you should do something" is better than saying "you have to do something" or "you must to do something"
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No, funbacon, you took it wrong. Im just kidding about using that word. there is nothing wrong with you using it, there is something wrong with my wife using it.
I was just adding a little fun to the thread.

question about making an android app (soundboard)...

So, I am interested in making a soundboard for the movie super troopers... Just curious if anyone has any experience making soundboards? Or, would I be better off pulliing a soundboard apk from my phone and just swap out the sounds I want? If anyone has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it, thanks!

I don't have any soundboard experience...
But just taking an apk and replacing sounds is definitely not something someone should suggest.. Pulling OS information and cooking roms is a little different than taking an app and releasing a dev's work with different .wmv's, that's a little thing called plagiarism..
But if you ask the dev prior to that, I guess it would be ok.. You just need his source..
*edit
look what google found me...
http://www.myandroidsoundboard.com/

azyouthinkeyeiz said:
Not all that advanced..
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Not advanced at all. There's a reason there are so many soundboard apps on the market. It's just about the easiest, most no-brainer app you can write that actually does anything. Even if you've never even written a basic "Hello World" app, it shouldn't take more than 2 or 3 hours running through the tutorials on the android sdk site to be able to whip up a soundboard.

subliminalurge said:
Not advanced at all. There's a reason there are so many soundboard apps on the market. It's just about the easiest, most no-brainer app you can write that actually does anything. Even if you've never even written a basic "Hello World" app, it shouldn't take more than 2 or 3 hours running through the tutorials on the android sdk site to be able to whip up a soundboard.
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lol yeah after I posted this, I got on google, found a tutorial for it... For the previous post, wasnt looking to plagiarize anyones work, at all... Working on my soundboard now

subliminalurge said:
Not advanced at all. There's a reason there are so many soundboard apps on the market. It's just about the easiest, most no-brainer app you can write that actually does anything. Even if you've never even written a basic "Hello World" app, it shouldn't take more than 2 or 3 hours running through the tutorials on the android sdk site to be able to whip up a soundboard.
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Hmmm. Maybe THAT'S the problem....all those soundboard makers heard that they were no-brainers to make, and decided not to turn on their noodles before creating and releasing their monstrosities upon the world. (not meant as a dig @ OP)

tejasrichard said:
Hmmm. Maybe THAT'S the problem....all those soundboard makers heard that they were no-brainers to make, and decided not to turn on their noodles before creating and releasing their monstrosities upon the world. (not meant as a dig @ OP)
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none taken, I didnt write any of those monstrosities... Just want one for myself lol

tejasrichard said:
Hmmm. Maybe THAT'S the problem....all those soundboard makers heard that they were no-brainers to make, and decided not to turn on their noodles before creating and releasing their monstrosities upon the world. (not meant as a dig @ OP)
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Well its usually for people that want experience in coding apps, and haven't been through A+ Cert or the like, and want to learn...
But thanks for generalizing...

azyouthinkeyeiz said:
Well its usually for people that want experience in coding apps, and haven't been through A+ Cert or the like, and want to learn...
But thanks for generalizing...
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Oh, I don't think he meant anything derogatory by it. I've been writing code for 20+ years, but I'm still doing a couple crazy simple Android apps just to get myself familiar with the new platform.
There's nothing wrong with writing simple apps as a learning experience. Even experienced coders have to do it from time to time when learning a new language or new platform.
The only part that's a little ridiculous is posting these "Java 101 homework assignments" on the market. Does the world *really* need 5 dozen collections of SpongeBob sound clips?
(No offense intended to anybody, but people should maintain a sense of reality about how appealing their app really is to the general public... I think it's awesome when people post things like this with source code and complete Eclipse project files so that other people can use them as a learning tool, I just question whether simple stuff like this really belongs on the market as a "product". It tends to clutter up my search results when I'm looking for useful stuff....)

subliminalurge said:
Oh, I don't think he meant anything derogatory by it. I've been writing code for 20+ years, but I'm still doing a couple crazy simple Android apps just to get myself familiar with the new platform.
There's nothing wrong with writing simple apps as a learning experience. Even experienced coders have to do it from time to time when learning a new language or new platform.
The only part that's a little ridiculous is posting these "Java 101 homework assignments" on the market. Does the world *really* need 5 dozen collections of SpongeBob sound clips?
(No offense intended to anybody, but people should maintain a sense of reality about how appealing their app really is to the general public... I think it's awesome when people post things like this with source code and complete Eclipse project files so that other people can use them as a learning tool, I just question whether simple stuff like this really belongs on the market as a "product". It tends to clutter up my search results when I'm looking for useful stuff....)
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What he said! Wasn't making fun of anyone wanting to learn or anything like that a all. Hell, I'm working my way through the "how to make a calculator" guide, myself, lol! I know jack about coding! I was more referring to the fact that some of these guys don't seem to ask themselves weather or not the world really needs "Rosie O'donnel: Bathroom Sounds v.17" before they slap it in the market. I tried to be clear that I wasn't picking on the OP, guess I could have been more explicit? Sorry if there was confusion.

I havent taken any offense here... some soundboards are retarded, and I will be the first to agree... I am just shocked that, with the amount of 1 liners in the movie super troopers, there arent any soundboards for it... (of course, I may be biased, as some people may think this movie was stupid, but I loved it lol)... I have no programming experience, only video/audio editing experience... I found the link "azyouthinkeyeiz" maybe 20 minutes before he replied to this thread, and am trying that tutorial... I am definently looking forward to learning more, and if anyone out there has any websites they can suggest for learning programming, I am more than down to learn!

All I wasn't to know is, who wants a mustache ride?!?

tejasrichard said:
All I wasn't to know is, who wants a mustache ride?!?
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LOL See? especially all the crap Farva says... Awesome!

tejasrichard said:
All I wasn't to know is, who wants a mustache ride?!?
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http://moustache-ride.ytmnd.com/
and
http://igotyougood.ytmnd.com/

jtmercutio said:
I am definently looking forward to learning more, and if anyone out there has any websites they can suggest for learning programming, I am more than down to learn!
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Try This

tejasrichard said:
who wants a mustache ride?!?
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"I vaunt one... I do I do" lmfao

ok so I got my first board together... From House, MD. Pretty neat, I'd say.
Now what I want to know is this: how can I get them ads on there like all the other apps have? I can send a zip if someone feels spunky enough to help me

Cyanogen Mod Kernel Port Project

As of right now, I am modifying and reviewing the code in the KVM folders in both sources. I just need to know as to who is doing what. It would be a LOT easier for anyone who is trying to port the CM GB Kernel to our phone. So far it is taking me all night long just to do ONE file. If I can get help with this. It will mean that we will get CM7 running on our phone soon.

i pm'ed you the link to krylon's source. Have a look at that.

Could we not port it from the Vibrant as described here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1099454

pwner5889 said:
As of right now, I am modifying and reviewing the code in the KVM folders in both sources.
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KVM folders?
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I just need to know as to who is doing what.
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AFAIK, Krylon360 isn't working on cm7 for sgs4g anymore.
I have the kernel almost working and should have something very soon.
RaverX3X has worked on the rom, and we are still testing and debugging a bootloop issue.
pwner5889 said:
It would be a LOT easier for anyone who is trying to port the CM GB Kernel to our phone. So far it is taking me all night long just to do ONE file. If I can get help with this. It will mean that we will get CM7 running on our phone soon.
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I know you guys are really-super excited for cm7. The most you can do to help is wait and be patient! Trust me... soon.

bhundven said:
KVM folders?
AFAIK, Krylon360 isn't working on cm7 for sgs4g anymore.
I have the kernel almost working and should have something very soon.
RaverX3X has worked on the rom, and we are still testing and debugging a bootloop issue.
I know you guys are really-super excited for cm7. The most you can do to help is wait and be patient! Trust me... soon.
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You have got me past excited now lol im waiting patientlly as possible best of luck to ya... End transmission lol
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bhundven said:
KVM folders?
AFAIK, Krylon360 isn't working on cm7 for sgs4g anymore.
I have the kernel almost working and should have something very soon.
RaverX3X has worked on the rom, and we are still testing and debugging a bootloop issue.
I know you guys are really-super excited for cm7. The most you can do to help is wait and be patient! Trust me... soon.
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I knew someone was already working on it. I just wanted to help out a little. Yes, the KVM folders inside the vir. (I think?)

pwner5889 said:
I knew someone was already working on it. I just wanted to help out a little. Yes, the KVM folders inside the vir. (I think?)
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Sorry dude, I still have no clue what you are talking about.
Maybe provide full paths to what you're talking about?
If you searched around, or read under "Plans" in the OP of my kernel thread (serious everyone... it's been there for quite some time!) or search through Q&A or General, you will find me talking about the progress of where I'm at whenever someone brings up another cm7 or kernel thread.
I will also plan on updating the OP in that thread or at least point to a new thread... when something happens.
Something is being worked on, but unless you are experienced with android/kernel system development, sit back and relax. There are a few gb roms to play with, fb's debloat tool, if you hate wifi/4g reception or want bln/voodoo sound, go check out froyo roms (don't forget about bootloaders ).
Relax, if you want something good, you have to wait.

Replied to the wrong thread.

Nice i cant wait for cm7 port. Loved it with my g2 and cm6 with my old g1
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Bh is already really close.
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airfluip1 said:
Bh is already really close.
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please stop.
I know you are excited. You get me on chat and say hi, then log out. You ask me all the time for status... while I'm at work, doing work stuff. I can't touch this stuff while I'm at work, cause I don't get paid to do this, I get paid to do my work.
And no. I'm not "really close". There is plenty of stuff for me to figure out, and the ammount of time i'd spend telling you what is going on, I could be working on it.
I spend LESS THEN 20% of my time on this stuff, and nothing has changed from last night. There is nothing 'newer' then that.
Status: I'm not done. Nothing is ready yet. Check the forum for updates. I have no ETAs. Relax, go watch tv, hiking, learn to surf... do something. Gimme time. (btw, this is why I don't like adding people to my gtalk.)

Geez, sorry. Didn't have to flame me.
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OK, If we want CM7. can someone at least tell me where to start. If I look at Bhundven's source, what do I do. I have the resource to do so.

Dude just leave it be, no offence but its people like you that discourage people from deving. Best of luck bh
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airfluip1 said:
OK, If we want CM7. can someone at least tell me where to start. If I look at Bhundven's source, what do I do. I have the resource to do so.
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Go to google and learn how to edit and compile the Linux kernel. I don't know anything about editing kernels either and that's where I'd start. Before you ask why you need to learn about Linux you should know that Android is based on Linux.

lowsnamebrand said:
Dude just leave it be, no offence but your the type of person who discourages people from deving best of luck to bh
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Its comments like that ... that discourage people from helping. Whether you have a problem with air or not you should still keep your comments to yourself. I have not ever even seen you attempt to help someone with anything yet you believe you have the right to bash others for trying.
P.S. When you just say "no offense" and then say something offensive, it does not make it ok.

no offense...
jigglynuts said:
Its comments like that ... that discourage people from helping. Whether you have a problem with air or not you should still keep your comments to yourself. I have not ever even seen you attempt to help someone with anything yet you believe you have the right to bash others for trying.
P.S. When you just say "no offense" and then say something offensive, it does not make it ok.
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Jiggly... if I may,
While I agree on the double standard on 'no offense', the point being made is that there is a link at the bottom of my signature that says 'github'.
If you venture there, you find repositories. The ones with the readme files are the 'useful' files.
If you want me to spoon feed the young, I will need more arms.
I wish this community would embrace the saying 'RTM'. It's all there. Black and White (depending on your system settings ). There is more then one forum on xda, and other phone forums based on the galaxy s phone also provide tips on building cyanogen. And the commands are only slightly different.
At this point with my source, a build if it builds would not work at all. I'm experimenting around with a few local repo's that are not on github. And when that stuff works, I totally plan on putting up a [REF] thread here in general on building sgs4g cm7 from source.
I don't plan on doing this any sooner then it working, because you don't need to be bricking your phone... right!?!
If you are an android developer and know how to build cm7, you would have found the manifest and never looked back. forked repositories, sent me pull requests to merge your code into my tree... so we can work together.
On one hand, I don't want to baby sit 'wanna be' developers that have no clue what they are getting into, because I don't want to play Q&A with them. It eats up all my time on making this stuff work in the first place.
On the other hand, there are real developers out there who know what to do, but might need some help. I do not want to push these people away, because they will just go and all I have to do is merge.

I cannot agree with you more BH. I appreciate all the work that you do for our phones community and my post was not a comment towards you at all.
I cannot even imagine trying to develop and help people with their questions as much as possible along the way. I know that every minute you are answering questions that is one less minute you are using your "CM7 time" to develop.
My post was simply stating that if you do absolutely NOTHING for the community (lowsnamebrand)... don't bash others for trying. I know people that were asking noob questions 6 to 8 months ago that are developing roms for other devices.
I do apologize if I offended you as that was not my intention whatsoever. I just hate seeing people shoot others down and bash others for trying. Whether you love airfluip or hate him, you cannot deny that he does try to help as much as possible. He asks what he can do to help (which may annoy people but i feel he really wants to help), answers peoples questions, developed AOSP rom and deals with a lot of the same "hand holding" helping people to flash roms.
Again, I am sorry if I offended you but my comment was not in reference to you or your work at all. Thanks for all that you do BH.
and airfluip1

jigglynuts said:
I cannot agree with you more BH. I appreciate all the work that you do for our phones community and my post was not a comment towards you at all.
I cannot even imagine trying to develop and help people with their questions as much as possible along the way. I know that every minute you are answering questions that is one less minute you are using your "CM7 time" to develop.
My post was simply stating that if you do absolutely NOTHING for the community (lowsnamebrand)... don't bash others for trying. I know people that were asking noob questions 6 to 8 months ago that are developing roms for other devices.
I do apologize if I offended you as that was not my intention whatsoever. I just hate seeing people shoot others down and bash others for trying. Whether you love airfluip or hate him, you cannot deny that he does try to help as much as possible. He asks what he can do to help (which may annoy people but i feel he really wants to help), answers peoples questions, developed AOSP rom and deals with a lot of the same "hand holding" helping people to flash roms.
Again, I am sorry if I offended you but my comment was not in reference to you or your work at all. Thanks for all that you do BH.
and airfluip1
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Haha, nah man. Airfluip1 is young and full of "go'get'em". I was like that once. A couple people gave me **** and I started reading everything I could get my hands on because I never wanted to be 'that guy'. He just needs the thwack over the head to go read more. (google, it works!)
Airfluip1 thinks that I am making daily progress on this. I'm not.
The only reason I said anything in the first place is because he keeps pumping up other user's saying "Oh, bh is gonna get cm7 out soon!" which really isn't being honest to other users. If I can get SKILLED help, then we can get cm7 out sooner. But I don't want to teach people stuff that they could find/learn on google. If you can't figure that out, don't ask to help me. It just annoys me.
My response to your post was supposed to have some <snarky> and <sarcasm> tags, I musta failed
I hope you laughed at the "if I may,"

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[Q] I'm a dev, would it be hard to a cornerstone

Hello,
I'm extremely good with computers and done a few years worth of programming. I saw cornerstone and it looked really good. How would one go about integrating it into a asus or other rom build. I took a look at the source and it looks like a matter of adding the files. Is this somewhat correct? Also if i managed to whip up a version could it brick my device (to the point where I can't reflash or nandroid) from flashing it?
Thanks

roflcopterofl said:
I'm extremely good with computers and done a few years worth of programming.
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Hah. If that's really true I don't think you would be asking those questions.

horndroid said:
Hah. If that's really true I don't think you would be asking those questions.
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I never said I was good with android. I've been in the community for under a year and never did much dev on it because of various other projects. The smartest teacher I ever met once told "If you lie about what you know you are only deceiving yourself". I'm not going to lie, I know nothing about android besides rooting and rom flashing. With that said I wouldn't know how it would be incorporated and what is occurring when you flash it (what is modified).
I would watch where you flash you smart ass comments because you can't judge what someone knows based on a internet comment.

roflcopterofl said:
I never said I was good with android. I've been in the community for under a year and never did much dev on it because of various other projects. The smartest teacher I ever met once told "If you lie about what you know you are only deceiving yourself". I'm not going to lie, I know nothing about android besides rooting and rom flashing. With that said I wouldn't know how it would be incorporated and what is occurring when you flash it (what is modified).
I would watch where you flash you smart ass comments because you can't judge what someone knows based on a internet comment.
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Well, considering that you know nothing about Android development, and TBH if you were really interested in Android development and had years of programming experience, it should be very easy, provided you know anything about Java, to begin programming Android. But with a few years of programming experience, you should know a lot of Java, right?

I've been in the community for under a year and never did much dev on it because of various other projects. The smartest teacher I ever met once told "If you lie about what you know you are only deceiving yourself". I'm not going to lie, I know nothing about android besides rooting and rom flashing. With that said I wouldn't know how it would be incorporated and what is occurring when you flash it (what is modified).
Now let's put that aside and possibly stop trolling, and get the main focus of this thread.

luna_c666 said:
Well, considering that you know nothing about Android development, and TBH if you were really interested in Android development and had years of programming experience, it should be very easy, provided you know anything about Java, to begin programming Android. But with a few years of programming experience, you should know a lot of Java, right?
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Java isn't the only programming language that exists. I'm sure you realize that. I can already tell my your abrupt attitude that you have something against me (I'm sure because of the rooting thread). No reason exists why that should occur. It was a simple question where no trolling should reside.
Edit: Maybe I misinterpreted your comment, if so my apologizes. Yes I've been doing java for the last 6 months (on and off but I've came back fully for the last month). The other months were simple learning and reverse engineering(Which the 5 months could be questionably be worthless seeing that after I went back to the code I was reverse engineering everything made 25 times more sense then before)

Android is based on java. It uses a linux kernel. You should familiarize with these. No I wasn't being snide- the rooting thread was weird I admit, but I was actually just giving an earnest answer- you may not be the only one that reads it.

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Hah. If that's really true I don't think you would be asking those questions.
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Listen, smart-ass, you ever heard of specialization? Just because someone is a physicist doesn't mean he knows everything in the field of physics. Just because someone is a programmer doesn't mean he knows everything about programming. If you have an allergic reaction, would you go to a proctologist or an allergist? If the proctologist would admit to his ignorance of someone's allergic reaction, would you question that he's a doctor at all?
I'm an engineer. Would you doubt I'm an engineer if if I told you I know nothing about chemical engineering?

This is why when programmers talk to each other, they don't say "I'm a programmer". Usually, they say "I'm a java programmer" or "I'm a visual basic programmer", etc. I once knew a C++ guy that almost pulled his hair out over the fact that you could only send one value from one method to another in java. Surprise surprise, the languages are designed differently as well.

I give up... not !!!..... but the troll will be no more

I realized right before I posted the last post that nothing will bring you out of your misconceptions.

The OP asked a legitimate question which you are now derailing by grandstanding as if you know anything. You've posted a lot in this thread already and in none of those posts have you been of any help. At the very least, you could help by keeping this post back on track by giving a proper response within topic.
I too am extremely good at computers and have been doing programming since 1982. But for the life of me I also wouldn't know how to integrate Cornerstone into ICS. Now since the poster asked the question relating to that, and you've so far posted more than anybody here in this thread, we are waiting for your answer to the OP's question...if you have any.
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I was doubting his claim that he was extremely good at computer. "Extremely" is the keyword.
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The only misconception here is you think I was doubting the OP's specialization, which I clearly wasn't.
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^^^^^^^^^^^
If you read those two quotes from what you posted, you will see how stupid you look right now.

Horndroid, I think you are talking a lot but you don't really know the IT world...
I'm an IT professionnal, I'm developing in Java for about 4 years now and I don't know anything about Android development...
Do you really think a dev knows every programming language and every platform ?
I don't want to be rude but your answers are realy just spam to me and I really think you don't know what you are talking about !
The OP was just asking a question if you don't have any useful answer to give, avoid spamming his thread !

Horndroid .....not knowing
It seems that right now you're the one specializing in it.

WHY DONT YOU BOTH SHUT UP AND LET PEOPLE ACTUALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION
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roflcopterofl, maybe you should ask the mod to delete this thread and try again. Good luck with finding what you need. Hope this event doesn't persuade you to give up. I hear there are a lot of people interested in working with cornerstone, so someone is bound to have the information you are looking for.

From what I've read from the developer who was working on officially integrating Cornerstone in to CM9 (and then abandoned), the Cornerstone code is a mess and kind of hard to work with. If you're not experienced with Android development specifically, it's going to be tough (although not impossible - just very difficult).

typci said:
roflcopterofl, maybe you should ask the mod to delete this thread and try again. Good luck with finding what you need. Hope this event doesn't persuade you to give up. I hear there are a lot of people interested in working with cornerstone, so someone is bound to have the information you are looking for.
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+1 on this.
I am interested in working on this to. Not chemically, mechanically or even EXTREMELY. Just interested. Please don't tell my allergist or proctologist though
We can get the source code from the Onskreen site or is it on github too?

Woodrube said:
+1 on this.
I am interested in working on this to. Not chemically, mechanically or even EXTREMELY. Just interested. Please don't tell my allergist or proctologist though
We can get the source code from the Onskreen site or is it on github too?
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https://github.com/onskreen/cornerstone

Haha ok thanks. Nothing wrong with a little argument of it leads to progress. I've been doing java for half a year but recently I've really picked it up. The other programming languages were lua (for a day lol), basic, visual basic, Html (markup but still). I do not know every language nor do I claim to. GoodIntentions won that argument by a long shot. My statement wasn't mean to be relative to other's knowledge. It was simply saying that I've done things like this in the past and have no fear. Could a mod lock this before it gets flamed.
Thanks

ROM Development Guide?

Remember about a month ago when XDA came out with a book about rooting and flashing ROMs?
I was just wondering if there were any books (or guides maybe) like that, that showed how to make ROMs from scratch, not through all of these annoying kitchens. (Don't really like them, they make me feel like a noob... of course I suppose I am)
So whatever, that's really about it. Thanks guys!
(Oh by the way, I have tried Nero's ROM guide and wasn't a huge fan, also I'm getting another computer solely for the purpose of Ubuntu too if that matters at all.)

...subscribing, also just out of interest I'm trying out Lubuntu, Ubuntu 12.04 server too!

jdgfdqtuzs said:
...subscribing, also just out of interest I'm trying out Lubuntu, Ubuntu 12.04 server too!
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Pretty awesome, never heard of Lubuntu before now. I'd consider it, but any recent tutorials I've looked at use Ubuntu. (Sadly though, they're ridiculous! For example, there was a post about compiling Jelly Bean from source code, and its practically not even in English! I mean I know some coding and all, but despite that, nothing is explained. It just do this like "do this and then do this and this and then we're done. An don't worry, there won't be a troubleshooting page because we know all you out there are experts.)
Whatever, that's my rant. Hopefully a mod will come along some time soon and point us in the right direction. Fingers crossed. :highfive:

thebeastglasser said:
Pretty awesome, never heard of Lubuntu before now. I'd consider it, but any recent tutorials I've looked at use Ubuntu. (Sadly though, they're ridiculous! For example, there was a post about compiling Jelly Bean from source code, and its practically not even in English! I mean I know some coding and all, but despite that, nothing is explained. It just do this like "do this and then do this and this and then we're done. An don't worry, there won't be a troubleshooting page because we know all you out there are experts.)
Whatever, that's my rant. Hopefully a mod will come along some time soon and point us in the right direction. Fingers crossed. :highfive:
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Lubuntu is basically a lighter version of Ubuntu, still runs on the same principles as in version number etc. I understand your frustration with regards to where to find "how to" code, but, my view on tutorials is exactly that where aspects of what you're supposed to be doing are not explained. I think we need to be looking into another category for books, e.g. a coding practice used for android. See what happens

Yeah I suppose you're right. Off to Google/Amazon!
(of course if anyone sees this and would still like to post, by all means, do so!)
EDIT: After a god half an hour of searching, I think I finally found it. The problem is, you're gonna need $50 if you want to snag it.
http://www.amazon.com/Android-Foren...-Security/dp/1597496510/ref=cm_cr_dp_asin_lnk
It is by far the most in detail book I've seen. Just look at the overview of the chapters! It's just like what I was looking for! Woohoo!

Oh man $50. Hard being a broke student.
I would love to learn to. Anyone can tell me where to start? What languages i need to learn (java, linux, c++, etc)?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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If your tomato just so happens to be running a version of android that can support the Kindle app, you can actually get it for about $40 too...
And while I'm not an expert in this field (in fact I really don't know too much) I do know that android uses java and converts it to another language using the dalvik machine. So if you really have no where to start, try learning some java.

thebeastglasser said:
If your tomato just so happens to be running a version of android that can support the Kindle app, you can actually get it for about $40 too...
And while I'm not an expert in this field (in fact I really don't know too much) I do know that android uses java and converts it to another language using the dalvik machine. So if you really have no where to start, try learning some java.
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Offtopic: I think tomatoes dont taste good at all.

I'm a fan, but that's just me. (end of off topic conversation before a mod takes down the thread.)

thebeastglasser said:
I'm a fan, but that's just me. (end of off topic conversation before a mod takes down the thread.)
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(nah I love this convo) I think theyre pretty sour.

Thanks
This is a great guide thanks

Thanks, good guide !

That book looks more related to security than anything else. Anything for development in particular?

If you look at the insides though, it shows how to create the internals, with step by step pieces. Chapter 7 (I think) also has 6 popular methods to obtain root access.
Look at the sneak peek and read the summaries of the chapters. It's definitely going on my Christmas list.
EDIT: As for anything solely for development, I have yet to find anything like that. Hence the reason for posting this thread.

Well, my tomato can support kindle.
Anyway, great thread. Hope someone who can help us reads this and decides to help us further.
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Bump.
We still need support smart dev guys.
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