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The phone is fine BUT...
1) Rooting, flashing etc. was just too much of a hassle, and currently there is no way to root/flash without tripping a non-resettable flag losing warranty in the process.
2) The build quality is...
I'm looking for an alternative phone, the S4 was awesome except those two points. I like playing around with my phone (rooting and stuff) but build quality/durability is also very important.
What phones are there around? I'm thinking of getting a HTC One M8, but supposedly it's got bad quality control and you cannot achieve s off as of yet.
So what are my options?
Shebee said:
The phone is fine BUT...
1) Rooting, flashing etc. was just too much of a hassle, and currently there is no way to root/flash without tripping a non-resettable flag losing warranty in the process.
2) The build quality is...
I'm looking for an alternative phone, the S4 was awesome except those two points. I like playing around with my phone (rooting and stuff) but build quality/durability is also very important.
What phones are there around? I'm thinking of getting a HTC One M8, but supposedly it's god bad quality control and you cannot achieve s off as of yet.
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Well if you like to mess around with your phone, Try to buy a Nexus 5, Which is easy to root and has many different Roms even after a couple of years (2/3).
Shebee said:
The phone is fine BUT...
1) Rooting, flashing etc. was just too much of a hassle, and currently there is no way to root/flash without tripping a non-resettable flag losing warranty in the process.
2) The build quality is...
I'm looking for an alternative phone, the S4 was awesome except those two points. I like playing around with my phone (rooting and stuff) but build quality/durability is also very important.
What phones are there around? I'm thinking of getting a HTC One M8, but supposedly it's god bad quality control and you cannot achieve s off as of yet.
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The Nexus 5 is one of the most followed phone by devs of custom roms.
Shebee said:
The phone is fine BUT...
1) Rooting, flashing etc. was just too much of a hassle, and currently there is no way to root/flash without tripping a non-resettable flag losing warranty in the process.
2) The build quality is...
I'm looking for an alternative phone, the S4 was awesome except those two points. I like playing around with my phone (rooting and stuff) but build quality/durability is also very important.
What phones are there around? I'm thinking of getting a HTC One M8, but supposedly it's god bad quality control and you cannot achieve s off as of yet.
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Sounds like you would be happier with a unlocked nexus device. If you are like me and don't have 500+ to buy one of these, I'd go with the M8. It is a great phone and I am pretty sure they have it fully rooted. Obviously there isn't much out rom-wise for it but that will change.
I'll be getting the M8 tomorrow unless I can come up with another alternative, been thinking of the Z2.
I am new to dealing with DRM keys and Sony's TA partition and I ask for a little understanding with my dumb questions.
I bought a white Z3 Dual (D6633) for my wife and immediately unlocked bootloader and rooted the phone. She is super happy with it since speed of the phone and camera quality is a big upgrade from HTC Sensations we both own and used until now.
Reading all this stuff about camera issues after unlocking bootloader + other things that stop working makes me really concerned that I have inadvertently and significantly crippled her phone... On the other hand having a root is absolutely critical for me and so far all phones in our household ended up with custom ROM eventually since manufacturers don't support phones with the new software forewer.
To be honest, I think I've missed saving TA partition option completely while following root guide at http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/development/root-stock-kernel-twrp-v01-test-28-09-t2889794 and I've began to wonder if it would be possible to transplant DRM keys from other Z3 with locked bootloader? I am assuming that each phone has an unique set of keys but if I were to move them from one device to a second identical one and therefore there would be no two phones using same keys, would it work or are they locked to the specific IMEI? Although Z3 Dual has 2 IMEIs and only one was asked for while unlocking bootloader.
What I plan to do is to get a second Z3 Dual for myself now but with copper finish and transplant ALL software to my wife's phone. I am quite sure that she will be fine with stock ROM forever but I tend to mess with hardware I own a lot and reflash ROMs very often and I am willing to give up a little bit for these reasons, although while learning how much one needs to give up with Sony, essentially significantly crippling the phone in the process I begin to question if I should give Sony any more of my money...
I am really hoping that some developer will be able to create a ROM restoring most of those lost features in the process.
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I am new to dealing with DRM keys and Sony's TA partition and I ask for a little understanding with my dumb questions.
I bought a white Z3 Dual (D6633) for my wife and immediately unlocked bootloader and rooted the phone. She is super happy with it since speed of the phone and camera quality is a big upgrade from HTC Sensations we both own and used until now.
Reading all this stuff about camera issues after unlocking bootloader + other things that stop working makes me really concerned that I have inadvertently and significantly crippled her phone... On the other hand having a root is absolutely critical for me and so far all phones in our household ended up with custom ROM eventually since manufacturers don't support phones with the new software forewer.
To be honest, I think I've missed saving TA partition option completely while following root guide at http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/development/root-stock-kernel-twrp-v01-test-28-09-t2889794 and I've began to wonder if it would be possible to transplant DRM keys from other Z3 with locked bootloader? I am assuming that each phone has an unique set of keys but if I were to move them from one device to a second identical one and therefore there would be no two phones using same keys, would it work or are they locked to the specific IMEI? Although Z3 Dual has 2 IMEIs and only one was asked for while unlocking bootloader.
What I plan to do is to get a second Z3 Dual for myself now but with copper finish and transplant ALL software to my wife's phone. I am quite sure that she will be fine with stock ROM forever but I tend to mess with hardware I own a lot and reflash ROMs very often and I am willing to give up a little bit for these reasons, although while learning how much one needs to give up with Sony, essentially significantly crippling the phone in the process I begin to question if I should give Sony any more of my money...
I am really hoping that some developer will be able to create a ROM restoring most of those lost features in the process.
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If you have read enough, you will know that taking other's TA to restore will result a HARD BRICK of your wife's phone.
Anyhow, I am also interested to know if there's another way out to restore those lost functions. Do update if you found any alternative method
The best thing you can do now is to give her your Z3 and take hers instead. She might not be happy when she finds out you accidentally crippled her phone.
There is no way, and there will not be way to restore DRM keys which you didn't backup.
Even if you send it to Sony.
We had fight with this since xperia arc (me personal) and without hope.
Just give up, change your new phone with her and learn something from this.
Wait couple of months for proper root.
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I may give up on Sony
Well, it seems that there is nothing I can do now. As I've mentioned I've never dealt with DRM (I get clean content only - years of ripping CDs/DVDs, etc.) and that's one of the reasons I would never buy Apple products for example.
I don't think my wife will ever realize that she is missing anything because I gave her modified phone already, therefor she has no way to compare and as I've mentioned she is super happy with it as it is.
As far I am concerned, I think I will have to seriously reconsider buying another Sony product ever again. I could not care less about DRM and no access to Sony store, however, inadvertently crippling unrelated functionality by unlocking the phone so I can truly own hardware I've paid for is not acceptable.
As it has been said, it is a lesson for me. It's really disappointing because I have believed that I have finally found a truly flagship product with dual SIM functionality...
Well, I can only point out that Sony do tell you this
http://developer.sonymobile.com/unlockbootloader/unlock-yourboot-loader/
I get that from a first hit of a google search on "Sony unlock bootloader"
I understand your frustration, but I have been with Sony for years and I was aware of this potential problem. If I ever change OEMs I will ensure I treat myself as a noob again and do all the legwork and research I should do before diving in.
I know this does not help you, but I am just trying to get across that the information is out there.
If she doesn't know then what's the issue? Crippling means that the user is hampered by a loss. Her phone isn't crippled by any stretch of the imagination. Now if she tries to use miracast and it doesn't work, then you can say it was crippled, but if she never uses the feature then she's no worse off.
As far as restoring the TA partition, that's null and double null. The keys are encrypted using the hardware of the phone (likely the IMEI) so other signed items will not work. Your best bet is Android L. A completely rewritten Camera stack will be introduced where devs have complete control over the camera's hardware. So some enterprising dev might be able to write a camera app that exceeds the stock camera anyways. As far as anything else, that can be added via opensource alternatives that work fine.
You should be able to return it to the store and swap it for another.
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Well, it seems that there is nothing I can do now. As I've mentioned I've never dealt with DRM (I get clean content only - years of ripping CDs/DVDs, etc.) and that's one of the reasons I would never buy Apple products for example.
I don't think my wife will ever realize that she is missing anything because I gave her modified phone already, therefor she has no way to compare and as I've mentioned she is super happy with it as it is.
As far I am concerned, I think I will have to seriously reconsider buying another Sony product ever again. I could not care less about DRM and no access to Sony store, however, inadvertently crippling unrelated functionality by unlocking the phone so I can truly own hardware I've paid for is not acceptable.
As it has been said, it is a lesson for me. It's really disappointing because I have believed that I have finally found a truly flagship product with dual SIM functionality...
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This is not a personal attack but I'm getting a little bit fed up with reading all these posts about how it's Sony's fault that people f****d up. They clearly advise against unlocking and state that features will be lost. Ok they don't list exactly which but you accepted the risk when choosing to unlock.
I have had a Z3 since release day and I haven't unlocked the bootloader because I read up on it and found that the loss of DRM keys breaks too many things. I had no more information available than you so don't blame Sony for your lack of caution.
I always used Nexus devices before so, like you, I normally unlock and root straight away BUT I exercise due diligence when I get a new device and look into any potential problems first.
This is not Sony's fault, it is yours. Chalk it up to experience.
While we're on that subject, you really ought to give your phone (assuming it's still locked) to your wife. Leaving her a device you have degraded on the basis that she probably won't realise is pretty lousy thing to do.
Thank you guys for your responses. I must admit that I have neglected in-depth research about this issue beforehand. I never cared about loosing access to a specific OEM store and giving up guaranty. After years of unlocking phones and messing with custom ROMs I became overconfident and did not consider degrading so much functionality while keeping stock ROM... Obviously putting a custom ROM on it would be an entirely different story.
I guess this thread may serve as cautionary tale for others
In any case, coming from HTC phones where ROM cookers managed to shoehorn Bravia engine and also some Sony audio enhancements in to it, I really have a high hopes that some custom ROM will restore most of the features...
3Shirts said:
While we're on that subject, you really ought to give your phone (assuming it's still locked) to your wife. Leaving her a device you have degraded on the basis that she probably won't realise is pretty lousy thing to do.
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This is a bit personal, however, it really depends how you look at it and I don't feel that it was a lousy thing to do. Her having zero technical inclination or understanding and using phone mainly to chat and post some pictures on Facebook, I don't think there was any great harm done. Besides, while wasting too much time with Facebook she has many other exceptional qualities
I am the person who deals with anything electronics related in our home and by messing with phones we own I have managed to extend their functionality far beyond OEMs contribution. And as I have mentioned before, I do hope to continue to do so when Sony stops releasing a new software for this particular model.
This is a definitely a good lesson for me, it was a rush job, I've got her this phone for her birthday and it was delivered the same day I gave it to her. I needed to to obtain the root ASAP as she uses the specific software that does not work without root access.
Yeah, that bit was personal, lol!
I just meant that if you still have a locked one, it would be the chivalrous thing to do to give her that and root it with later when an exploit is found that doesn't kill the low light camera performance. If she's happy though, no harm down I suppose.
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Yeah, that bit was personal, lol!
I just meant that if you still have a locked one, it would be the chivalrous thing to do to give her that and root it with later when an exploit is found that doesn't kill the low light camera performance. If she's happy though, no harm down I suppose.
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I am currently really reconsidering if I should go with Sony for my personal phone as well. I am still a big HTC believer (not a fan anymore, they sucked for a few years) and I may stick with HTC Sensation for a little bit longer. By flashing a custom ROM on it, it does everything I need it to do and easily compares with features to todays phones while being 3-4 years old model (antique).
There is a bit more being affected by unlocking bootloader than just low light performance.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/loss-drm-keys-t2890936
It's more than I would expect: Bravia Engine (X-Reality, Super Vivid), S-Force Front Surround...
What attracted me to Sony was definitely dual SIM capability (there are practically no other phones with this feature that would work with North American frequencies), waterproofing and having quite impressive guts. HTC has some catching up to do still.
Well, there is still hope. On the Z1 focus on the camera was lost when unlocking the boot on 4.2 with no way to get it back if you had not backed up the TA.
However, once 4.3 came along that fixed the issue for people unlocking and for those who had previously unlocked and lost the ability for the camera to focus.
So, in a future update Sony may fix this issue, or they may not. But hope is not lost
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Well, there is still hope. On the Z1 focus on the camera was lost when unlocking the boot on 4.2 with no way to get it back if you had not backed up the TA.
However, once 4.3 came along that fixed the issue for people unlocking and for those who had previously unlocked and lost the ability for the camera to focus.
So, in a future update Sony may fix this issue, or they may not. But hope is not lost
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That was an actual bug though, so they fixed it. This is due to loss of DRM keys so is by design. They might do something but it's unlikely, the DRM keys are there to protect their algorithms
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That was an actual bug though, so they fixed it. This is due to loss of DRM keys so is by design. They might do something but it's unlikely, the DRM keys are there to protect their algorithms
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Still weird if you ask me, one reason I am in trouble is because I have never experienced and never expected reduced functionality with other OEMs.
If you unlock HTC you loose hardly anything except guaranty...
Hi folks,
I've been reading a lot about rooting android phones and now that I have a Z5 Dual, I would like help to define if it is pertinent or not to root my Z5.
Context: I haven't bought mine through a carrier, I do not have bloatware (but Sony's).
And with recent Android releases and the M forthcoming, why should I be rooting my Z5.
I've seen posts here about people doing so with their Z5. I would like to know why also.
Is looking to use orbot and orbweb for increased anonymity a sufficient motivation?
Thanks for your advices.
Eric
The only way to root the device -as of today- is to open the unlocked bootloader of your device. This means losing permanently your DRM Keys which reduces photograph quality and access to PlayStation services (PSN app, Remote Play, among others).
If you plan on reselling your Z5 for maximum profit, losing your DRM keys will significantly lower the value of your device.
I would recommend remaining unrooted for a couple of months and wait for more refined rooting methods to emerge.
Thanks for this answer, it gives me a good "cons" - as of today - like you say.
But considering that one day a proper rooting method is found, what would be the "pros" of rooting, regarding all the options already in stock android.
What would I be getting more ?
Have a good day
Eric
Nothing if you don't what to use root access for, I would say it's for more advanced users that really want to maximise their device's potential and customise it to their likes
Lambo16 said:
Nothing if you don't what to use root access for, I would say it's for more advanced users that really want to maximise their device's potential and customise it to their likes
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Thank you.
I understand your answer and it does make sense. I won't consider myself as an advanced user indeed, but I would like to know what I would have access to doing so.
I am interested in diving into rooting and as my readings went I understand that I can (most of the time) increase the efficency of the phone and this is what I am looking for. (i.e battery usage, reception, etc...).
However I am also interested in more secure ways to communicate and is rooting an answer to that ? I am curious.
Thanks.
EricLeRouge said:
Thank you.
I understand your answer and it does make sense. I won't consider myself as an advanced user indeed, but I would like to know what I would have access to doing so.
I am interested in diving into rooting and as my readings went I understand that I can (most of the time) increase the efficency of the phone and this is what I am looking for. (i.e battery usage, reception, etc...).
However I am also interested in more secure ways to communicate and is rooting an answer to that ? I am curious.
Thanks.
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What do you mean more secure ways to communicate? And as another user said rooting is not worth it at the moment as you loose DRM key. I would wait for a better root exploit and also if I were you I would also wait for your device's warranty to run out.
At this point, there is not much I would root my device for apart from trying to get extra battery life. I used to have a rooted Xperia Z1 mainly so I could over clock it and install camera mods, which I don't need anymore.
tl;dr I would wait till your warranty runs out (1 year for me) and wait for a better root exploit.
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dont do it. it will void warranty... And stock is not bad i guess.
Eventually you'll be able to root with no consequences; DRM keys will be left untouched and dependant apps will perform as always. Just not yet.
Regarding the abstract benefits of rooting the Z5? Better control of OS components and a general feeling of self realization.
Specifically, after rooting, you could install the xposed framework and tinker with every minutia imaginable. My Z3 lasts 3 days with no charge. While I can barely make it through the day with my Z5. To paraphrase The Martian, I'm gonna science the **** out of it.
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Hobbes2099 said:
Eventually you'll be able to root with no consequences; DRM keys will be left untouched and dependant apps will perform as always. Just not yet.
Regarding the abstract benefits of rooting the Z5? Better control of OS components and a general feeling of self realization.
Specifically, after rooting, you could install the xposed framework and tinker with every minutia imaginable. My Z3 lasts 3 days with no charge. While I can barely make it through the day with my Z5. To paraphrase The Martian, I'm gonna science the **** out of it.
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Did this happen for the Z3?
I'm about to upgrade from a Nexus 5, I've always rooted my phones, ran a stock rom and then used xposed to customise the look.
I'm hoping I can eventually do this with the Z5, but I guess its a waiting game, will just have to get used to non root
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Hobbes2099 said:
Eventually you'll be able to root with no consequences; DRM keys will be left untouched and dependant apps will perform as always. Just not yet.
Regarding the abstract benefits of rooting the Z5? Better control of OS components and a general feeling of self realization.
Specifically, after rooting, you could install the xposed framework and tinker with every minutia imaginable. My Z3 lasts 3 days with no charge. While I can barely make it through the day with my Z5. To paraphrase The Martian, I'm gonna science the **** out of it.
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Thanks for your answer, it gives much more visibility on what I should be able to tinker with after root - when available in a proper form.
As for Lambo16, I was reading about being able to get more security after rooting as you get more control over kernel and so. Then I was wonderring how much of a difference it would do with actual android stock rom.
EricLeRouge said:
As for Lambo16, I was reading about being able to get more security after rooting as you get more control over kernel and so. Then I was wonderring how much of a difference it would do with actual android stock rom.
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You still need to know what to do. I wouldn't know how to change any of that stuff.
I will probably root my device as soon as I loose warranty and when there is a better exploit.
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mrbubba999 said:
Did this happen for the Z3?
I'm about to upgrade from a Nexus 5, I've always rooted my phones, ran a stock rom and then used xposed to customise the look.
I'm hoping I can eventually do this with the Z5, but I guess its a waiting game, will just have to get used to non root
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Eventually it did. Rooting for locked bootloader was available for the Z3 by the time I got my Z3. I was able to get my Z5 much earlier this time.
Through a combination of Prime Launcher and disabling specific apps and disabling app notifications, I was was able to mask bloat ware (Xperia care, Xperia lounge, what's new, others).
Unfortunately, this superficial tweaking kept the battery untouched. So I wait. Meanwhile, I enjoy my Sony Xperia Z3, rooted, hibernated and xposed.
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Hello guys,
I bought an S7 around 2/3 months ago. I'm in the UK meaning that I don't have Samsung Pay and probably wont when it releases (Natwest didn't support the Android Pay launch so they probably won't for the Samsung Pay either so I don't really care if I root.) I'm considering about rooting the device but I have a few questions.
1. What apps and features do i lose access to when the flash counter is triggered?
2. Is there a way to reset the flash counter to get them apps to work again?
3. Is there an app which allows me to change the Ultra Power Saver apps? (I know there was one for the S5 rooted but don't know if it works on the S7 and can't currently try it due to it needing root perms)
4. Would you recommend rooting the device? (I've rooted my Moto G 2nd gen in the past but didn't really use it for all that much though I feel that with an S7 I might be able to do more things by being rooted.)
Thanks in advance
1. The only thing I think you really lose is Samsung Pay (since I rooted yesterday haven't noticed any other major issues)
2. As of right now there is no option to do this, though I know other devices have recieved the ability through triangle away. Sadly this is not currently available.
3. It doesn't currently look like it, but I think they will probably update the app (looked and the app i found was UPSM+ and it costs money so couldn't actually test)
4. I'm happy I did because I can use apps like sixaxis for using my ds4 controller, and I'm trying out viper audio which I've heard is good)
Don't know if this helps or not, I like to know I have the full control of my device, but that's just me maybe.
I always root everything, but this phone almost like a Greek Goddess - beautiful and accommodating. But after about a month I went ahead and rooted it. I am a heavy user of Google chrome and Google music radio stations and the amount of ads they push through their channels is extremely obnoxious. I feel guilty toward Greek Gods now, but I am at peace...
Palisandr said:
I always root everything, but this phone almost like a Greek Goddess - beautiful and accommodating. But after about a month I went ahead and rooted it. I am a heavy user of Google chrome and Google music radio stations and the amount of ads they push through their channels is extremely obnoxious. I feel guilty toward Greek Gods now, but I am at peace...
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Would you suggest I root the phone? I'm very worried that I will not like the consequences that come with it. I've seen and looked up the issues that it has, and I have also seen that they have been fixed. My main focuses are: Battery Life, performance, texting and calling works, I get a good signal from my carrier.
Do these all work like they should? Do they work as if there isn't even root on the phone?
Nobiscis said:
Would you suggest I root the phone? I'm very worried that I will not like the consequences that come with it. I've seen and looked up the issues that it has, and I have also seen that they have been fixed. My main focuses are: Battery Life, performance, texting and calling works, I get a good signal from my carrier.
Do these all work like they should? Do they work as if there isn't even root on the phone?
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Being rooted itself shouldn't affect anything you listed. Now certain apps you install that require root may negatively affect battery life, and possibly performance, but texting, calling, and signal shouldn't change. Rooting essentially gives you administrator privileges like on a Windows PC, what you do from there is what will affect you the most.
Palisandr said:
I always root everything, but this phone almost like a Greek Goddess - beautiful and accommodating. But after about a month I went ahead and rooted it. I am a heavy user of Google chrome and Google music radio stations and the amount of ads they push through their channels is extremely obnoxious. I feel guilty toward Greek Gods now, but I am at peace...
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Outbreak444 said:
Being rooted itself shouldn't affect anything you listed. Now certain apps you install that require root may negatively affect battery life, and possibly performance, but texting, calling, and signal shouldn't change. Rooting essentially gives you administrator privileges like on a Windows PC, what you do from there is what will affect you the most.
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I know, but there have been several user saying that they are having the issues I have stated.
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I know, but there have been several user saying that they are having the issues I have stated.
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Well are you using the US variant? There are some problems with the engboot but a lot of users are saying that they are resolved with the fixes they provide. A lot of people are sticking with it because they still feel the pros outweigh the cons. Something to think about if you, yourself, would prefer root over stock.
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Well are you using the US variant? There are some problems with the engboot but a lot of users are saying that they are resolved with the fixes they provide. A lot of people are sticking with it because they still feel the pros outweigh the cons. Something to think about if you, yourself, would prefer root over stock.
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I am on the US variant. One of the main reasons I'd be rooting is for the game hacks I can get, so those are the biggest pros for me
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I am on the US variant. One of the main reasons I'd be rooting is for the game hacks I can get, so those are the biggest pros for me
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In that case, as long as you won't miss Samsung Pay then go for it. You can always flash back to stock if you aren't happy with it. Give it a week and see if you get used to it. If not, then there is a thread here that explains how to flash back to stock completely.
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In that case, as long as you won't miss Samsung Pay then go for it. You can always flash back to stock if you aren't happy with it. Give it a week and see if you get used to it. If not, then there is a thread here that explains how to flash back to stock completely.
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Is there a way I can flash a backup?
Sorry, noob questions
Nobiscis said:
Is there a way I can flash a backup?
Sorry, noob questions
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if you root and want to restore later on. I Recommend flashing a recovery such as TWRP and create a backup via TWRP. once that's done, bootup device and install SuperSU. Once that's done, open app and let it flash what it need a to flash via TWRP. there should be threads here in XDA for your device. Backups can only be done with a recovery. If this is your first time. READ THE PROCEDURES CAREFULLY. No one is to blame but your self if you screw up your device. Research before acting
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Nobiscis said:
Is there a way I can flash a backup?
Sorry, noob questions
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Of course, look into FlashFire, it should be able to backup and flash.
You will most likely forfeit your remaining manufacturers warranty.
I run the non-rooted version of the 935f exynos S7e and have superb battery life unlike some that rooted it.
Unless you are particularly adverse to TW or need to play constantly with icons I wouldn't bother. Samsungs stock browser is also very fast.
drummerman said:
You will most likely forfeit your remaining manufacturers warranty.
I run the non-rooted version of the 935f exynos S7e and have superb battery life unlike some that rooted it.
Unless you are particularly adverse to TW or need to play constantly with icons I wouldn't bother. Samsungs stock browser is also very fast.
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I don't really care that much about the warranty really, I've owned quite alot of devices in the past and haven't needed to use the warranty's for any of them. My device used to have really good battery life but it just feels that these days the life has gone down quite significantly.
I do like the customization which root permissions gives. I guess I might have to wait until Samsung Pay comes out to see if my bank (Natwest) supports the launch or not. I only want to root for the UPSM app really since most of the root battery saver apps don't work from my past experiences.
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I know, but there have been several user saying that they are having the issues I have stated.
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I did not notice any adverse effects yet, but I only installed one program requiring root - Adaway. I am sure you know, but by rooting the phone you void your warranty, trip Knox and will not be able to use Samsung and Android pay.
Hi,
I'm thinking about buying this phone at this moment (Black Friday). My question is : is it worth buying considering this model has been received 2 major updates? I think Samsung update policy is to release only 2 big updates for their models. This model was launched with Nougat, now is running with Oreo and, presumably, will end with Pie. Is this correct?
Thanks
Wrong one major update 7.1 to 8.0 I believe it will get 9.0 but not sure.
Personal I pass on the ab but I got the ab+ version.
It been a very good phone.
mchlbenner said:
Wrong one major update 7.1 to 8.0 I believe it will get 9.0 but not sure.
Personal I pass on the ab but I got the ab+ version.
It been a very good phone.
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According to many websites, it's very very likely this phone will have Pie. But the question is if that version will be the last one (not eligible for Android Q). It's well-known that Samsung do not care mid/low range models regarding upgrades (other than security patches).
Another question: does this phone still have the annoying FRP Lock protection? I would like to root the phone, but this protection is a pain in the ass. My old Galaxy Grand prime still has it.
Thanks again
If you want to root it you will lose the warranty... but then you can install a costume rom P,Q,etc...
Robert978 said:
If you want to root it you will lose the warranty... but then you can install a costume rom P,Q,etc...
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I think if I flash the stock ROM with Odin I will recover the warranty, right? I have already rooted my old Galaxy. The problem is the root access when the FRP Lock protection is still present.
When you root the phone, if you have configured any Google account (needed for Play Store), the phone does not boot when is rebooted (the bootloader detects an 'unofficial' firmware installed). In order to bypass it (and reboot your phone when is needed), you need to remove all your Google accounts first and therefore this is a PITA. So my question (to rooted users) is if this protection is still present, and if so, if there is a way to get rid of it.
Thanks.
Robert978 said:
If you want to root it you will lose the warranty... but then you can install a costume rom P,Q,etc...
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Hi,
I'm reading about rooting in this forum and I have realized that this model is not easy to root, specially if you already are in Oreo (very likely if I buy now the phone). I have found several threads about this question but it's not clear what is the 'best guide'. Also I have found the following tutorial HERE.
Can you elaborate a bit?
Thanks
Boblo said:
Hi,
I'm reading about rooting in this forum and I have realized that this model is not easy to root, specially if you already are in Oreo (very likely if I buy now the phone). I have found several threads about this question but it's not clear what is the 'best guide'. Also I have found the following tutorial HERE.
Can you elaborate a bit?
Thanks
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There's already a pretty good guide here on how to install a custom recovery and root this phone made by @corsicanu. I followed it just about a week ago when my phone was 5 days old and I had no problem whatsoever. I had OREO 8.0 and I was super scared about my phone being locked since I had never listened to that before. This phone is really worth it. Size, display and performance is 10/10 for me. On the contrary, the main camera is below average. I have yet to found a good version of the gcam since all I have tried are not working properly. My last device was a Xiaomi MI A2, but it only lasted two weeks. The reasons to replace the MI A2 are bad display outdoors, too big of a phone, super bad adio quality (headphone wise) plus no headphone jack, low lasting battery and no NFC. I swear to you there are very low options that are as packed as this galaxy a8 2018. It cost me 290€ on a retail store so I'm super happy.
catalem said:
There's already a pretty good guide here on how to install a custom recovery and root this phone made by @corsicanu. I followed it just about a week ago when my phone was 5 days old and I had no problem whatsoever. I had OREO 8.0 and I was super scared about my phone being locked since I had never listened to that before. This phone is really worth it. Size, display and performance is 10/10 for me. On the contrary, the main camera is below average. I have yet to found a good version of the gcam since all I have tried are not working properly. My last device was a Xiaomi MI A2, but it only lasted two weeks. The reasons to replace the MI A2 are bad display outdoors, too big of a phone, super bad adio quality (headphone wise) plus no headphone jack, low lasting battery and no NFC. I swear to you there are very low options that are as packed as this galaxy a8 2018. It cost me 290€ on a retail store so I'm super happy.
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Thanks. Is THIS GUIDE? And is your system stable with no important bugs?
Other than that... unlike older Galaxy models I cannot recover my warranty when the device is rooted, right? I have read that the warranty bit is changed, the bootloader detects an 'unofficial' firmware and there is no way to avoid this.
Regards
Boblo said:
Thanks. Is THIS GUIDE? And is your system stable with no important bugs?
Other than that... unlike older Galaxy models I cannot recover my warranty when the device is rooted, right? I have read that the warranty bit is changed, the bootloader detects an 'unofficial' firmware and there is no way to avoid this.
Regards
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It is indeed. Flashing and rooting your device does not make it less stable. My galaxy a8 is working like a charm. I don't have my phone rooted but I have had it and the only problem for me is I have always a notificacion shown saying device is in danger, you must restart. Unlike some other devices, samsung smartphones are not able to be reverted. Once you trip knox, there's no going back. Even if you flash back an original ROM with ODIN, the phone will still known its been modified.
catalem said:
It is indeed. Flashing and rooting your device does not make it less stable. My galaxy a8 is working like a charm. I don't have my phone rooted but I have had it and the only problem for me is I have always a notificacion shown saying device is in danger, you must restart. Unlike some other devices, samsung smartphones are not able to be reverted. Once you trip knox, there's no going back. Even if you flash back an original ROM with ODIN, the phone will still known its been modified.
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Thanks again. Where did you see that warning? Is it annoying? Can you hide it?
And a last question: I suppose you know the FRP Lock protection. With this guide, is the FRP Lock protection gone forever?
On a side note, I still have my old Galaxy Grand Prime (2015 model) rooted, with TWRP 3 installed and the Knox counter has the value 0x0 (not tripped). So it seems new models like the A8 have a reinforced protection against hacking...