Motorola Droid Ultra Erased....HELP. Thanks to anyone out there who even takes the time to read or reply. I get that my issue is probably petty in this forum but I just want a simple answer of move on it is impossible or you can try this. I am a complete newbie so pardon my lack of knowledge on the topic.
I had my phone locked with a pin. My darling six year old entered the pin however many times it take for it to magically start erasing itself. (BTW this is the second time this has happened and I thought I had safe guarded it from happening again.) I don't care about anything but the photos that I lost. Is there anyway to recover the photos or should I just move on and forget? I have not been using it hoping that there was a way to root the phone and recover something but upon reading lots and lots of things I think I am screwed because my phone is version 4.4.4. Can someone confirm or deny.
Thanks again for taking the time to read.
You can try to retrieve your photos using a data recovery program. Search Google for get data back or just do a general search for USB data recovery
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tecsironman said:
You can try to retrieve your photos using a data recovery program. Search Google for get data back or just do a general search for USB data recovery
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I tried that but because the phone is not recognized as a drive on computers there is no way to access the files for data recovery. Even programs that say they can to end up failing and the phone needs to be rooted.
Wait are you using your phone now?
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tecsironman said:
Wait are you using your phone now?
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No. I tried to recover the files immediately after it happened. And found out about the USB Mass Storage no longer being an option in Android 4.0 phones thus causing issues for recovery. Everything I read then said the phone would need to be rooted but I am running version 4.4.4 and everything I have seen has said thus far it has not been done.
Can't you just boot the phone up and use it ad a USB device in android. You can clearly see your downloaded files and such without being rooted
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tecsironman said:
Can't you just boot the phone up and use it ad a USB device in android. You can clearly see your downloaded files and such without being rooted
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I am not following what you are saying. The files were deleted so nothing shows. I need to use a recovery program to gain access to the deleted files but cannot get to them without being able to access the phone as a USB storage device...not a camera or device which is all that is able to be done with MTP/PTP.
unless you backed them up somewhere that's not on your phone then i don't think you can recover them
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I am not following what you are saying. The files were deleted so nothing shows. I need to use a recovery program to gain access to the deleted files but cannot get to them without being able to access the phone as a USB storage device...not a camera or device which is all that is able to be done with MTP/PTP.
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Yes nothing shows but you want to recover deleted data from your phone. The only way is to mount the phone. So you can mount the phone in android when you transfer music and pictures from computer and phone it shows up as a drive in my computer. You can use data recovery software and run it on that drive. You don't need root since your pictures were not stored in the root of the device
Recover Deleted Files on Android In a Few Minutes!: http://youtu.be/tGw1fxUD-uY
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i faced a similar situation and was not able to recover any photos. i tried a bunch of different methods and programs. i thought the most promising was an android app, that runs on the phone was diskdigger, but it didnt render any results.
i wish you the best
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Hello,
yes this has probably been a problem to many people, but I couldn't find a solution for my case.
I flashed a ROM and forgot to backup my files before, so now my whole photos and files I need are gone.
I am looking for a solution to restore deleted photos on my nexus 5. I obviously can't use generic recovery methods because, well, I don't have a sd card to pull out and plug into my computer.
is there a app / method to recover deleted files directly on the nexus (over adb?)?
Paid solutions are welcome too!
Check this thread, has a topic on OTG, which happens to allow mounting as usb storage. Might do the trick.
Hmm the OTG part is about mounting devices on the nexus. I want it the other way around, mount it on my mac and run recovery software on it.
Any ideas on that?
Can't be done.
Only options are whats in my signature. Section 5.4
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
Aqua3 said:
Hello,
yes this has probably been a problem to many people, but I couldn't find a solution for my case.
I flashed a ROM and forgot to backup my files before, so now my whole photos and files I need are gone.
I am looking for a solution to restore deleted photos on my nexus 5. I obviously can't use generic recovery methods because, well, I don't have a sd card to pull out and plug into my computer.
is there a app / method to recover deleted files directly on the nexus (over adb?)?
Paid solutions are welcome too!
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you can give this a try and it works great with nexus5 does job well http://www.android-data-recovery.org/android-data-recovery
u need a paid version ,it restores your contact ,messages,pic and files fine just put it on deep scan and let it do the rest later restore
rootSU said:
Can't be done.
Only options are whats in my signature. Section 5.4
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
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Yes, I am currently trying a option cross linked in that guide.
I'm taking a raw image of my data partition to my mac and will try to restore data there.
Steps taken from here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...de-internal-memory-data-recovery-yes-t1994705. Although for windows, but finding the needed tools for mac is not that big of a task.
Will report if I have any success on this
Aqua3 said:
Yes, I am currently trying a option cross linked in that guide.
I'm taking a raw image of my data partition to my mac and will try to restore data there.
Steps taken from here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...de-internal-memory-data-recovery-yes-t1994705. Although for windows, but finding the needed tools for mac is not that big of a task.
Will report if I have any success on this
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Yep, we always love to hear a success story. Thanks!
This Data Recovery enables you to recover lost photos, videos, documents and more other files from your nexus 5, you can have a try.
t.co/IRVeusio2J
You've mentioned, " I don't have a sd card to pull out and plug into my computer", actually, you could apply to some app that could identify your device directly.
Here is an Android Data Recovery Mac that may help. You can also google other apps if you need.
Hey Guys,
Brand new to XDA and new to messing with my phone in anyway, I looked through some threads, but am not sure if I can mess something up worse by not following the right steps,
I basically bought a used phone on craigslist, AT&T LG G FLEX 2 - LG-H950 and when I factory reset it, many of the default apps are not installed, cannot use my calendar and the phone is just a little off all together.
Not sure if the phone is still rooted or if the factory reset cleared it, and I am all together worried that the only reason the kid sold it to me was because he messed it up and couldn't fix it and just pawned it off to my dumas
I know its frowned upon to start new threads when the answers are out there, but i need this for work ASAP and if I screw it up and cant use it all Ill have to go back to my work iPhone (last resort, i hate it)
I started to follow hyelton's video http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2785089
but got cold feet when i couldnt find my exact model the h950
It is currently on the android 5.0.1 and when i tried the update before i reset it, it said i couldn't update it something about the root. So i reset it and everything is the same as when I bought it on CraigList.
How do I get it back to square one, like it came in the box. I am interested in learning how to root and be in control of my own property, but I just want to get back to the start safely without bricking it so I can follow the forums and not feel so helpless.
im sorry if the first response to this just point me to another thread, but I will appreciate even that much guidance so at least i know i am headed in the right direction
Thanks a lot xda community
Branden
Factory reset won't remove root BTW. Recent Android phones seem to perform an integrity check prior to updating that fails when root is present.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3171550
Just read that to get the phone back to stock, then you'll be able to upgrade to 11x (5.1.1) and eventually 11z.
Sent from my LG-H950
cool, thanks, one more question
I made an account with MEGA
downloaded the Flex2Tool 1.4.1 and unzipped
downloaded the system.img.gz
Started watching your video. however i am not bricked.
it has missing default apps and it says this device is suspected in rooting, software update is not available for rooted device.
so what is my first step after downloading these files. do i connect phone to my computer and open up the flex2tool and
select variant 1 which is H950 v10d etc
then do I select 1 , ( i do not need anything on the phone.)
or move straight to variant 2. restore unroot stock system.
if i do that next where do I put the system.img.gz file on my phone. anywhere in the internal memory and before or after I reset it?
sorry for all the questions and thanks for all the help. i am very new to doing anything besides calling or texting on my phone
Branden
koronab said:
I made an account with MEGA
downloaded the Flex2Tool 1.4.1 and unzipped
downloaded the system.img.gz
Started watching your video. however i am not bricked.
it has missing default apps and it says this device is suspected in rooting, software update is not available for rooted device.
so what is my first step after downloading these files. do i connect phone to my computer and open up the flex2tool and
select variant 1 which is H950 v10d etc
then do I select 1 , ( i do not need anything on the phone.)
or move straight to variant 2. restore unroot stock system.
if i do that next where do I put the system.img.gz file on my phone. anywhere in the internal memory and before or after I reset it?
sorry for all the questions and thanks for all the help. i am very new to doing anything besides calling or texting on my phone
Branden
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1. You first need the LG USB drivers for the Flex to be installed
2. The system image file (gz) will have a .img file inside that's about 4GB, so unzip the one you downloaded with 7zip, preferably from a PC. Put the .img file on the root of the phone's internal memory before proceeding. You'll also want USB debugging enable and disable the verify over USB option
3. Once file is on phone you can continue with the tool, it will eventually go into download mode & show ## when finished
Sent from my LG-H950
okay i did that but
I dont understand your last thing >>>>"You'll also want USB debugging enable and disable the verify over USB option"
when i have my usb connected the phone gives three options
1.Charge Phone
via usb
2.Media Sync (MTP)
3.Send images (PTP)
When restarting the recovery tool after img. has been installed to root of internal storage. do i just start program or do i need to turn off phone or reset it or just run it with the MTP
koronab said:
I dont understand your last thing >>>>"You'll also want USB debugging enable and disable the verify over USB option"
when i have my usb connected the phone gives three options
1.Charge Phone
via usb
2.Media Sync (MTP)
3.Send images (PTP)
When restarting the recovery tool after img. has been installed to root of internal storage. do i just start program or do i need to turn off phone or reset it or just run it with the MTP
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http://i.imgur.com/ynGFv1j.jpg
Like that. Check that the USB debugging icon shows in the notification area while USB is connected as MTP. Then you can start the tool. Be sure that the .img is present on the root(sdcard0) prior to letting the tool reboot the phone.
Sent from my LG-H950
i dont see developer options
under system there is
shorcut key
date and time
accessibility
quick circle case
printing
about phone
figured it out, thanks
got it
firmware update
I am on a screen that says
FIRMWARE UPDATE
sync symbol with usb symbol
don not unplug the USB connection until the process is complete
status bar has read 0%
then there is box and in it says USER B99
the black window on my pc has the "##" and says that i can disconnect the USB cable
should i do this now or wait till something happens in the status bar on the phone
nevermind, phone stared back up
Thanks ACE I appreciate it
koronab said:
Thanks ACE I appreciate it
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Did you remove the USB cord, then re insert after ##? The tool will reboot for you, and are you back into the OS now?
Sent from my LG-H950
yes it worked do i factory reset it now to get all the default apps working again
koronab said:
yes it worked do i factory reset it now to get all the default apps working again
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Probably a good idea. I think the previous owner was trying to delete some of the bloatware and didn't properly restore the phone before selling it, not sure if that was done purposely or not.
Sent from my LG-H950
okay, i reset it but still dont have default apps
the default apps for the calendar which was my original issue still is not there, just a generic Android icon. because there is no default it will not allow me to sync calendars, also no default messaging app.
not sure if this just put me back to 5.0.1 which is where already was but i am still missing default apps to make the phone run smoothly,
any ideas on what i may have done wrong
koronab said:
the default apps for the calendar which was my original issue still is not there, just a generic Android icon. because there is no default it will not allow me to sync calendars, also no default messaging app.
not sure if this just put me back to 5.0.1 which is where already was but i am still missing default apps to make the phone run smoothly,
any ideas on what i may have done wrong
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In settings -> apps -> disabled is calendar listed?
Sent from my LG-H950
7zip
i believe what is happeneing is the img file is not unzipping. i had originally just copied the img.gz file over witout unzipping it. now i am trying to unzip it but no success
do i unzip before or after i copy to root storage
koronab said:
i believe what is happeneing is the img file is not unzipping. i had originally just copied the img.gz file over witout unzipping it. now i am trying to unzip it but no success
do i unzip before or after i copy to root storage
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Dude , you are new in Android? XD
Yes you need to unzip that file before run the tool
Sent from my Redmi Note 2
Super noob
Looks like it came unzipped when I downloaded from Mega. Icon is a blank paper folded too right corner and reads system.img.gz and 1.6 gb which is what I copied to the root storage and then followed everything else and did it again starting from scratch and still have generic icon without the default apps like calendar, browser, and messaging. I'm trying tho. Been reading forums since last night with no luck
I do appreciate everyone's help tho,
And ace there is no calendar under apps
koronab said:
Looks like it came unzipped when I downloaded from Mega. Icon is a blank paper folded too right corner and reads system.img.gz and 1.6 gb which is what I copied to the root storage and then followed everything else and did it again starting from scratch and still have generic icon without the default apps like calendar, browser, and messaging. I'm trying tho. Been reading forums since last night with no luck
I do appreciate everyone's help tho,
And ace there is no calendar under apps
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You need to unzip that file
.gz like .rar or .zip are different types of compression, so download the latest version of winrar or use 7zip, you need the system.img file (4gb)
Sent from my Redmi Note 2
THANKS
Sj12345 said:
You need to unzip that file
.gz like .rar or .zip are different types of compression, so download the latest version of winrar or use 7zip, you need the system.img file (4gb)
Sent from my Redmi Note 2
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finally did it. Thanks alot you and ace were a life saver
Hi,
tl;dr:
Is there a theoretic way to recover data from the phone after:
1. deleting /storage folder
2. and then rooting (which means factory reset?)
If there is a theoretic way to recover it from the bits, is there a way to take a snapshot of the current state of the bit, so I can (in theory) recover the media in the future?
Long version:
First of all I know I'm very stupid..
Yesterday I've deleted my /storage folder since in first glance it looked empty.
Then I figured out what did I do, so I tried to recover the information.
I've searched the web for an application that does that and I found one that required rooting the phone, so I rooted the phone which means I made factory reset.
Then I tried to recover but it didn't manage to recover the photos and videos.. (it did recover whatsapp photos and some other things but not from the dcim folder).
I tried then several different applications that may not ask for rooting the phone so maybe I made a mistake by doing that (not sure that they wouldn't request for rooting either) but no success with that...
I'm willing to pay money to save that data but do you think it's not recoverable anymore?
I also called the 3 biggest recovery companies in my country, 2 of them told me that they don't think it's possible and one agreed to take it to their labs for a small price and then give me an offer.
If there is a theoretic way to recover it from the bits, is there a way to take a snapshot of the current state of the bit, so I can (in theory) recover the media in the future?
I'm very desperate and would be very thankful for your help
PeroPy said:
Hi,
tl;dr:
Is there a theoretic way to recover data from the phone after:
1. deleting /storage folder
2. and then rooting (which means factory reset?)
If there is a theoretic way to recover it from the bits, is there a way to take a snapshot of the current state of the bit, so I can (in theory) recover the media in the future?
Long version:
First of all I know I'm very stupid..
Yesterday I've deleted my /storage folder since in first glance it looked empty.
Then I figured out what did I do, so I tried to recover the information.
I've searched the web for an application that does that and I found one that required rooting the phone, so I rooted the phone which means I made factory reset.
Then I tried to recover but it didn't manage to recover the photos and videos.. (it did recover whatsapp photos and some other things but not from the dcim folder).
I tried then several different applications that may not ask for rooting the phone so maybe I made a mistake by doing that (not sure that they wouldn't request for rooting either) but no success with that...
I'm willing to pay money to save that data but do you think it's not recoverable anymore?
I also called the 3 biggest recovery companies in my country, 2 of them told me that they don't think it's possible and one agreed to take it to their labs for a small price and then give me an offer.
If there is a theoretic way to recover it from the bits, is there a way to take a snapshot of the current state of the bit, so I can (in theory) recover the media in the future?
I'm very desperate and would be very thankful for your help
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try Undeleter from play store..worked for me on N4..never tried on OPO
atulclassic said:
try Undeleter from play store..worked for me on N4..never tried on OPO
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Didn't work :crying:
You might give DiskDigger a shot. I never tried it though.
PeroPy said:
Didn't work :crying:
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are you rooted since undeleter requires root
atulclassic said:
are you rooted since undeleter requires root
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I'm...
After few weeks of working on that, I didn't make it to recover any of my photos/videos/whatsapp chat history (the things that were most important to me)
I tried several stuff, apperently all of the recovery programs that using the adb to directly connect to the phone through the PC doesn't work well enough, as well as the programs that works from the device...
I tried this article:
http://www.dflund.se/~jokke/androidfilerecovery/
but it didn't work for some reason...
Then I tried that one :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...de-internal-memory-data-recovery-yes-t1994705
I used a centos VM to get a image of the device partiotns the way they suggested (I couldn't make the busybox work).
I mapped that file as hard disk
I tried to use 'Recuva' it seems like it managed to restore files but something apperantly went wrong and the files wasn't helpful...
I tried to use 'easeus data recovery' it worked better, it found around 20k files.. There were alot of directories and I didn't look up at it so much but it recoverd alot of photos which I think were from the whatsapp media.
Incase someone who made the same mistake by deleting the 'storage' folder, get to this post, I recommend to turn off the phone immidietly and find a way to do that without rooting the device.. (although it might be impossible since as far as I know all of the methods I used were depends on a rooted device, but I didn't look up on this since the first thing I done is to root my device - which might be the mistake)...
Hello good day,
I have read alot of tutorial but have found none that will help me. I saw a malware installed on my device which was eating up my ram and internet data. I tried to uninstall it most of the times but it keeps on installing itself anytime i enable my data or wifi. I later found out that there was this new files in my phone system storage, that wont allow me to delete it even if am root. i tried to change the permission and still cant . I tried to move all the files in that folder to a different folder leaving the suspicious ones. after moving the ones i know was not a malware to a different folder. my device froze and i couldn't do anything but to restart the device. i did so and that was it. My device always get stuck on the htc logo anytime that i turn it on. Please i really need help on how i can fix this issue and get my phone back to its normal state. I think is not booting because i move all files including the systemUi to a different folder.. the folder was located at (system/app) I created a new folder called appa in the same directory. thinking if i move all the legimate apps to the new folder. i will be able to delete the whole app folder which i left the malwares in. so i can rename the folder i created back to app. But after the moving was successful. my phone froze and thats it.. I need help( [email protected] ) thank you
farrelzamani said:
Hello good day,
I have read alot of tutorial but have found none that will help me. I saw a malware installed on my device which was eating up my ram and internet data. I tried to uninstall it most of the times but it keeps on installing itself anytime i enable my data or wifi. I later found out that there was this new files in my phone system storage, that wont allow me to delete it even if am root. i tried to change the permission and still cant . I tried to move all the files in that folder to a different folder leaving the suspicious ones. after moving the ones i know was not a malware to a different folder. my device froze and i couldn't do anything but to restart the device. i did so and that was it. My device always get stuck on the htc logo anytime that i turn it on. Please i really need help on how i can fix this issue and get my phone back to its normal state. I think is not booting because i move all files including the systemUi to a different folder.. the folder was located at (system/app) I created a new folder called appa in the same directory. thinking if i move all the legimate apps to the new folder. i will be able to delete the whole app folder which i left the malwares in. so i can rename the folder i created back to app. But after the moving was successful. my phone froze and thats it.. I need help( [email protected] ) thank you
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unless you have some sort of backup, or can find the stock software to put back on, you will not be able to fix it.
next time before doing such a activity like this you should make a nandroid backup and store it to a safe storage that you can restore.....
Sent from my SM-G7102 using Tapatalk
I have the stock rom
bweN diorD said:
unless you have some sort of backup, or can find the stock software to put back on, you will not be able to fix it.
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Hi ,Actually i found the stock rom from needrom. how can i flash it with it
farrelzamani said:
Hi ,Actually i found the stock rom from needrom. how can i flash it with it
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I have no experience flashing HTC devices, but the process is usually the same, just the files used change.
There should be some program common for HTC devices to flash.
I would look on some more popular HTC device and see if you can find a guide, and just substitute your firmware instead of theirs.
Thanks
bweN diorD said:
I have no experience flashing HTC devices, but the process is usually the same, just the files used change.
There should be some program common for HTC devices to flash.
I would look on some more popular HTC device and see if you can find a guide, and just substitute your firmware instead of theirs.
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Is there any way i can push files to my phone via adb. as it wont boot and get stuck on the htc logo. I mean i tried to copy the rom on my sd card so i can flash the phone with it. but my sd card does not show on recovery mode. rather my internal storage does. is there a way i can push file to it via adb./
farrelzamani said:
Is there any way i can push files to my phone via adb. as it wont boot and get stuck on the htc logo. I mean i tried to copy the rom on my sd card so i can flash the phone with it. but my sd card does not show on recovery mode. rather my internal storage does. is there a way i can push file to it via adb./
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There is but I don't know the proper commands. I think it's something like adb push (push location) (file name)
You may be able to move the file with pc while in twrp by Normal means. I can do it on my phone like that. Internal shows up on pc just like it does when it's booted.
Thank you
bweN diorD said:
There is but I don't know the proper commands. I think it's something like adb push (push location) (file name)
You may be able to move the file with pc while in twrp by Normal means. I can do it on my phone like that. Internal shows up on pc just like it does when it's booted.
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Thank you. But i have one problem here. I have download java and android sdk manager. but when i connect my phone. it doesnt get detected when i use the command < adb devices >. could it be that usb debugging is not enable? If so then how can i enable it as the boot wont boot but get stuck always on the htc logo
farrelzamani said:
Thank you. But i have one problem here. I have download java and android sdk manager. but when i connect my phone. it doesnt get detected when i use the command < adb devices >. could it be that usb debugging is not enable? If so then how can i enable it as the boot wont boot but get stuck always on the htc logo
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USB debug is not needed for flashing. If your pic don't see the device in download mode, you will have to look around for some proper drivers. I don't know if adb works in download mode, so there may not be an issue. You need to get the proper flash tool and see if that can connect to your device. Trying to connect with anything else is a waste of time.
bweN diorD said:
USB debug is not needed for flashing. If your pic don't see the device in download mode, you will have to look around for some proper drivers. I don't know if adb works in download mode, so there may not be an issue. You need to get the proper flash tool and see if that can connect to your device. Trying to connect with anything else is a waste of time.
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Thank you.
How can I get the best flashing tool. As am using htc k touch u9. Please can you give me some tools.
bweN diorD said:
I have no experience flashing HTC devices, but the process is usually the same, just the files used change.
There should be some program common for HTC devices to flash.
I would look on some more popular HTC device and see if you can find a guide, and just substitute your firmware instead of theirs.
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farrelzamani said:
Thank you.
How can I get the best flashing tool. As am using htc k touch u9. Please can you give me some tools.
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follow the advice that i gave before ^^^
there is no "best flashing tool" for these situations. there is usually 1 or 2 options of software provided by the manufacturer. one of these you must use, because there is no options, such as tools made by the community.
i have never owned a htc device, so you are going to have to do some searching and reading to help yourself out, unless someone else comes along who can provide specific help.
So I rooted my old FireHD 6 perfectly using this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-hd/general/how-to-downgrade-to-4-5-3-root-device-t3139351
It was my first time ever trying the do a root and it worked perfectly! I then installed System App Remover (ROOT) to clear some remaining Amazon apps out. It seems I selected some system apps by accident and hit remove. This totally screwed everything up in the OS as expected and I was very annoyed at myself for not double checking my selection. So these deleted apps are sitting in the recycle bin of SAR and I CAN restore them I assume? The only problem is that my tablet does boot up, but you can't select hardly anything and my screen is just a black background flashing when plugged into USB. It accepts commands form ADB, but I need to somehow restore the whole thing or open this app remotely via ADB. There's no options in recovery to reinstall the firmware either.
Can anyone help me with my weird issue? Pretty please?
P.S I'm new so if I have missed any information please say. I have also tried the unbrick floating around via Linux, but it doesn't load on my PC. I don't think it is totally bricked though obviously.