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http://alanrosenquist.com/bt/index.php
has anyone thought about distributing using BitTorrent instead of these file sharing places that add limits?
we can discuss the advantages and disadvantages here.
from what i see:
advantage:
easy distribution
everyone contributes to the dispersal
faster speed
simple
disadvantages:
people might not share
if file is bad or corrupted - waste of time
i'm on a 5/2 mb fiber line. i wouldnt mind helping to distribute. it would also help - statistically - to find which roms are being distributed the most, and which are most popular. -- not just to members of a forum posting that they "like this one the most because...."
open floor.
boldfacelies said:
has anyone thought about distributing using BitTorrent instead of these file sharing places that add limits?
we can discuss the advantages and disadvantages here.
from what i see:
advantage:
easy distribution
everyone contributes to the dispersal
faster speed
simple
disadvantages:
people might not share
if file is bad or corrupted - waste of time
i'm on a 5/2 mb fiber line. i wouldnt mind helping to distribute. it would also help - statistically - to find which roms are being distributed the most, and which are most popular. -- not just to members of a forum posting that they "like this one the most because...."
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ya making a bittorrent link would be nice
but ur point about being the file bad or corrupted is the same for http links with bittorrent the file cant get corrupted during upload/download (it will check the hash when its finished)
I vote YES!
Nice idea, but I guess it will done, because will no seeders. Hundred of files but no seeding, it's usual problem of small trackers.
I was thinking the same thing rapidshare et al suck. Problem will always be having seeders available. Usenet is another great option, but requires having a decent provider, and not quite as widespread and easy to use as bittorrent. We could always try having links for rapidshare, bittorent, and usenet (NZBs), and see what happens.
I have a dedicated server, willing to seed pretty much at all times. I am not sure how much traffic a tracker will generate but I am willing to do some testing. Anyone have experience setting up trackers?
and what is somebody makes a site. with only ppc software torrentz?
I have very slow GPRS connection at home... At work I have really quick connection, but Bittorrent is blocked there for obvious reasons... Rapidshare works.
The rapidshare is not the ideal, but for me it is better than torrent... Also remember that these files are not so popular (not so many people downloading ROMs all the time), so you will almost certainly download slower that from rapidshare (because unless you are lucky there will be just one "seed" and you - and even this only if anybody will be willing to make a permanent seed).
Torrent is good for big popular files - the Wizard ROMs do not fall to that category...
Mirek
blackgear - I presume you don't mean warez, right? Because I'm sure you're familiar with our forum rulez.
Guys, if you're going to torrent roms, an alternative idea might be to bunch quite a few roms together into say a 700mb torrent of various roms. That way, those who are generous can seed a bunch of roms all in one go, whereas those who need a specific rom can just download the specific rom from within the torrent.
I think in this way, you're more likely to continue to see the less "popular" roms still being seeded, as they will all be hosted within the big torrent, and the big torrent will also be less likely to end up being "poisoned" by someone/companies with viruses or fakes etc.
IMHO.
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my honest opinion, this will never work. Torrents were always good for popular mainstream stuff. People should go here for all the information instead of going to some torrent and downloading it, and end up bricking their phone.
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my honest opinion, this will never work. Torrents were always good for popular mainstream stuff. People should go here for all the information instead of going to some torrent and downloading it, and end up bricking their phone.
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couldnt we just include a link to the forum page in a "Read Me" or "Critical Instructions"?
fyi: checking out http://blogtorrent.com/
DownLoading now just for seeding purposes....
I have a 1.2 MB upload....
I will mirror everything posted on the tracker....
Come on all you "doubting thomases", Anything I can do to give back to this community I will do gladly....
this is up, and strong.
there is no logging taking place - unless you upload. only for the sake of moderating anything that may be illegal.
BitTorrent
THIS WOULD BE A FREE SERVICE, OFFERED TO ALL XDA-MEMBERS
alright, while sitting in the xda IRC somebody complained about everyone using rapidsahre links, them dying, and the need for a new XDA posting service.
this coupled with the completely empty XDA ftp, we got to talking. Chainfire suggested using usenet for the roms/files/whatever. he said he attempted to get it more widely used years ago, but nobody really cared.
now, my thought is i setup a webUI frontend for the xda usenet group, and make it alot like the current xda-ftp stucture is. simple uploading, simple downloading. no real knowedlge of usenet needed to do it, and the files would be good for at least a year on the servers.
maybe even write a FTP frontend for the group.
what are your guy's thoughts on this. no download limits, no YOU HAVE TO WAIT 9HOURS TO DOWNLOAD ANOTHER ROM, no YOURE ALREADY DOWNLOADING A FILE LOLWAIT, no random deletions of files, uncensored content uploading(you can figure what that means), and super-fast downloading of ROMs, with a que.
we need your thoughts on this project.
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usenet is a pay service, however the concept of this is to provide a free frontend for the usenet posts to the xda community. IT WILL BE FREE.
IT WILL BE FREE
I'm pdbogen, and I approve of this message.
/me is in favor and would love to help make this happen somehow.
posting in an epic thread
i believe this is a genius plan. I SHALL HELP MAKE IT HAPPEN!
I'm all for faster file transfers and less "LOL YOU BETTER WAIT BECAUSE YOU'RE A NOOB" messages.
Who would be supplying the servers? And how much would it cost to set up?
between me and turbzy, we have enough resources/servers to handle a good 3 mirrors of the setup, so we're good on the money/servers.
we just have to write the webinterface and get people to use it.
if you and the freenode crew whip up something good and badass, i will aggressively promote it on my heavily-trafficked websites
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very nice idea indeed, just what xda was missing =]
This sounds awesome, I say go for it!
me and turbzy will start work on this as soon as we get a few uploaders/chefs willing to use the new system in place of rapidshare.
it's toomuch work to just write and then have wasted because nobody uses it.
the idea is, we're going to maybe write a built in FTP server. so as far as uploading is concerned to upload a file you'll
a) go to the site, and be presented with a upload form. just select the zip/rar and press upload. it'll upload to the multiple backend servers, and give you a direct link. OR possible upload it to a few other options, im thinking maybe add a rapidshare+mediafire+multiple FTP mirrors.
or b) connect to our custom FTP server and upload the file that way. after the file is completed, it will upload it to the other servers and give you the direct url. i'll make a more simplistic description later.
all in all, everyone i've talked ot about the idea thinks its genius. help us get people on board=
oh also, i'm thinking there may be a registration system needed for uploading. it's unfortunate we couldnt just sync it with the XDA login system, but it'll be needed to post verified files. it'd be better for file organization and whatnot.
then again, we may be able to sync with the XDA userdatabase if it gets big enough.
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oh also, i'm thinking there may be a registration system needed for uploading. it's unfortunate we couldnt just sync it with the XDA login system, but it'll be needed to post verified files. it'd be better for file organization and whatnot.
then again, we may be able to sync with the XDA userdatabase if it gets big enough.
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I doubt Flar and company would let you touch the user database. However, maybe they could host the front-end on their servers? For example: fileshare.xda-developers.com
That would then interact with all your middleman servers, etc etc.
So the XDA server would just be the front-end, but it would redirect the file to your servers... is this possible?
Or even better, have XDA auth the user (via login to the forums) and then have it redirect to your server with some fun authing stuff. Then you guys don't need the database, but it would still be secure.
yaaaap. that was my idea, just attempt login. much simpler and lord knows precious xda administration wouldnt dare have their hands on a project meant to..actually maintain the files produced by the community!
they won't help us. even if they offered, i think running them seperate from this site is better and safer.
bump because i actually care about the project.
just a thought and i didnt see it covered
how will the virus scanning be implemnted. will you put a system in place at you end so its get scanned after uploadthen accepted or will you be asking the uploaders to scan them.
just a note because im pretty sure the current FTP scans files and lets you know whether the threaten. but if you leave it multiple uploaders then maybe well get ton of viruses littering the database
i am unsure as to how to handle that. thats why im thinking a user database would be useful, somehow mark the legit uploads with a key of some sort. i'll think about that, but im sure we can handle that.
from what ive seen clamav is pretty easy to tack on to whatever system youre using
edit: as for user database integration, all we'd need xda to do is toss a small api on their server that lets us verify accounts and return a userid that we can associate posts with. we wouldn't need actual access to the database
all im saying is yes you can verify the user who uploads the stuff
but we can verify the stuff
there was a problem a while back with ppl adding cracked apps to the ftp and viruses aswell
i don't think we care about cracked apps. thats somewhat the point.
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i don't think we care about cracked apps. thats somewhat the point.
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well I think you should. This isn't a warez site, nor should it be affiliated to anything to do with it.
It sounds more to me like you're trying to set up a new warez service based on the good name of xda-devs!
As some may know, I am working on a dedicated Evo website.
The biggest feature will be my file distribution system.
I hope for it to be the first of it's kind, it will both upload the file and create a torrent of it.
This allows the file download to be stream by both means.
If anyone is interested in obtaining upload access I am accepting requests.
My only requirement is you have unique Evo related files to offer (ROMs, Boot Screens, etc).
This is still in development, but should be complete and ready for testing within the next 24 hours.
Sounds like a good idea, but please don't use torrents. P2P technology is a horrible way of sharing development files for a number of reasons, the main one being version control. If someone wants to download a file straight to their EVO, a torrent will be of no use to them.
Just my .02.
Usenet ftw!
cal196 said:
Sounds like a good idea, but please don't use torrents. P2P technology is a horrible way of sharing development files for a number of reasons, the main one being version control. If someone wants to download a file straight to their EVO, a torrent will be of no use to them.
Just my .02.
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There will be direct links on the servers to the files alongside the torrents.
I may do a simple browser check to only allow direct downloads from mobiles.
I really want to encourage torrents with web seeds, it's never been done before!
Anyways a status update ~ IT NOW WORKS!
I just got uTorrent to download a file without any user seeds and it went through like a champ.
I honestly don't think anyone has created such an automated system, I am quite proud of myself!
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There will be direct links on the servers to the files alongside the torrents.
I may do a simple browser check to only allow direct downloads from mobiles.
I really want to encourage torrents with web seeds, it's never been done before!
Anyways a status update ~ IT NOW WORKS!
I just got uTorrent to download a file without any user seeds and it went through like a champ.
I honestly don't think anyone has created such an automated system, I am quite proud of myself!
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Nice, what's the site?
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Nice, what's the site?
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TalkEvo.com
If want to check it out, I've got the new radio update in there.
You can see for yourself how streamlined downloads are.
http://talkevo.com/tracker/index.php
I like your idea for using http as a backend for torrents if there are no seeders. I have actually thought about this method many times in the past, I never thought someone would of put it all together into a working method. CONGRATZ MAN!!! This would of been so useful in the past when I was working on a couple warez/script websites/forums. You should jazz this script up and make it a little more customizable, maybe with a simple admin cp, and then release it to the script community, people will love you! I know I do!
that's pretty genius, i like it. Good job! Should make an excellent way to distribute EVO Files!
Neotelos_com said:
There will be direct links on the servers to the files alongside the torrents.
I may do a simple browser check to only allow direct downloads from mobiles.
I really want to encourage torrents with web seeds, it's never been done before!
Anyways a status update ~ IT NOW WORKS!
I just got uTorrent to download a file without any user seeds and it went through like a champ.
I honestly don't think anyone has created such an automated system, I am quite proud of myself!
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Have you heard of BitTorrent DNA? It is made by BitTorrent Inc. for exactly this sort of thing. You host a file on your HTTP server and BitTorrent DNA creates a torrent for it. Users download from each other when there peers available, but otherwise they default back to your server.
Hello Android users and devs!
First of all I want to apologize for posting in the General Discussion, but I do not have enough posts to do it in the Development Section.
Also I am not aware whether this has been already discussed or is it forbidden (I didn't found such restrictions in the rules)
Anyway, since I got my Desire S this forum is the primary source of information for me, as well as for all the other visitors around.
And especially when it comes to custom rom files there are troubles with dead links, crappy file sharing sites with stupid limitations, etc.
So I think it will be much more convenient for everyone (devs and users) to use the torrent system via magnet link (combined with QR scan maybe) for all the files that are posted around here. The download speed will be much better and all that have downloaded the file once will contribute by seeding it to the others. And of course via the appropriate client the files can be downloaded directly to the SD Card (this is of course possible now through the phone web browser, but a lot of steps are required - waiting, human security check forms, etc.).
Looking forward to your comments.
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Hello Android users and devs!
First of all I want to apologize for posting in the General Discussion, but I do not have enough posts to do it in the Development Section.
Also I am not aware whether this has been already discussed or is it forbidden (I didn't found such restrictions in the rules)
Anyway, since I got my Desire S this forum is the primary source of information for me, as well as for all the other visitors around.
And especially when it comes to custom rom files there are troubles with dead links, crappy file sharing sites with stupid limitations, etc.
So I think it will be much more convenient for everyone (devs and users) to use the torrent system via magnet link (combined with QR scan maybe) for all the files that are posted around here. The download speed will be much better and all that have downloaded the file once will contribute by seeding it to the others. And of course via the appropriate client the files can be downloaded directly to the SD Card (this is of course possible now through the phone web browser, but a lot of steps are required - waiting, human security check forms, etc.).
Looking forward to your comments.
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I'd suggest that you post this question within this the XDA forum in the chance that one of the mods will answer as this relates to rules and policy and isn't something that a member can answer.
Thank you for your reply! I agree on the policy matter, but my general idea was to start a discussion on this topic. In my opinion the torrent system is much more friendly when it comes to file sharing and I was curious is there people around that agree on that, especially the regular users like me and also the developers that are posting files all the time. One of the advantages as well is that on single torrent there can be multiple files attached.
So what do you think?
Sounds like a great idea
amidabuddha said:
Thank you for your reply! I agree on the policy matter, but my general idea was to start a discussion on this topic. In my opinion the torrent system is much more friendly when it comes to file sharing and I was curious is there people around that agree on that, especially the regular users like me and also the developers that are posting files all the time. One of the advantages as well is that on single torrent there can be multiple files attached.
So what do you think?
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I totally agree with you, but unfortunately if the people here at XDA don't then its a wasted discussion.
Ok, there is the new thread. Let's see what will be the verdict
Bitdroid - Home | Bitroid - Tracker | Bitdroid - Forum
Introducing Bitdroid! The dedicated torrent tracker for Android ROMs!
After a couple of weeks of trial-and-error, I have finally got a torrent tracker site setup and running for Android ROM developers; a place for them to create and track a torrent for their ROMs.
Why use a torrent tracker like Bitdroid.org versus regular download links? Easy: better flow of download traffic, which equates to faster downloads!
Peer-2-Peer, or P2P, (torrents in this case) are better for high-flow traffic compared to normal HTTP (sites like Mediafire) or FTP. In HTTP or FTP, users can only download, and it's only from a single server. The more people downloading a file from a single server, the slower the download for everybody on that server requesting the same file. This is not the case for P2P connections. Every user that's downloading, downloads from another user. All of the users download are also uploading to other users, so the traffic is not coming from a single source. It is coming from many sources, alleviating slow downloads, enabling higher traffic. P2P is a much superior way to distribute large files (such as Android ROMs).
So where did this idea come from? After the release of several popular ROMs, I saw people complaining about slow download speeds, and having to upload to several different download mirrors for others to download at a fast pace again, until those became "clogged" for a while as well. P2P, as previously mentioned, would have alleviated this and reduced (or even eliminated) the need for several HTTP / FTP mirrors. HTTP download links could still be provided, but torrent links could also be provided to help alleviate high traffic, congested downloads.
P2P also allows tracking and stats of an individual download. Each file is tracked by the amount of seeders (people uploading), leechers (people downloading), and total downloads.
I've searched, and I couldn't find a dedicated torrent tracker for Android ROMs; I could only find trackers for general use, or other specific uses (movies, games, etc.), of which not all of these are completely safe due to concern of possible copyrighted content. With Bitdroid, only Android ROMs are allowed, and it is preferred that the original developer of the ROM uploads the file (or with permission from the developer, a 3rd-party user could upload the ROM). Since Android is open-source, there aren't any legal concerns of piracy and such due the open-source licensing of the Android OS.
For an added layer of "security" only an approved member group is allowed to upload files. You must be manually added to the group before being able to upload torrents, to try and further discourage potential piracy or unauthorized uploading of ROMs.
I currently have a splash-page setup, that links to the actual tracker, as well as a forum (work-in-progress).
If you're a developer or know a developer, please sign up on the torrent tracker and/or forum and I can get you setup to upload your torrents, and don't forget to spread the word!
If you have any questions or comments, please either post here or on the website! Come and check it out!
Note: I have permission from YZ to post this.
Bump. Got mixed reviews in the Rezound forum about this; not much response from Dev's yet (which is what I would like the opinion of as well).
I think this is awesome!
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News page, forum what next apps we have to pay ?
The idea is great but you should respect the word *torrent*.
this is a brilliant idea, its annoying having to navigate through those nasty ad filled, speed restricted file hosting sites, i hope it grows and grows
my signup email conformation hasnt come through though
Donated $3 has not shown. Still Says Zero. Also been waiting on a confirmation email...It's new. Kinks to work out. Hope my $3 helps is the most I can spare.
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tarekkkkk said:
News page, forum what next apps we have to pay ?
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Wait what? That's not a real sentence.
Oh finally i become a reality.
erktheerk said:
Donated $3 has not shown. Still Says Zero. Also been waiting on a confirmation email...It's new. Kinks to work out. Hope my $3 helps is the most I can spare.
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check your spamfolder!
Check out some of my work and ths work of my team mates in the sprint epic4g touch section. Let me know If we qualify.
BRING IT ON! I'll seed like a mofo!!!
Always been intrigued why no Android ROM developer uses torrent technologies... Even on questionable tracker as Pirate Bay (Yes, you can find legal stuff there ^^).
Now there is no excuse ! With this tracker, we can download almost eyes closed. And now, every body can help, even if no developer, even without giving money. Let's seed !
I'll warm up my seed box this evening !
we can only say you THANK alot and good job . but one thing ..
it is for every Rom ( custom and shipped rom ) or just rom leaked by private developers ?
ps : I haven't paypal from me ( Country's restricted ) , sure I would donate you some $$ ...
awesome news !
guys pay alot for hosting 300mb allinone roms on their hosting , torrent solution rocks!
Any Torrents with this Symbol are Ratio Boosters. Only your Upload is Recorded!!
This is a Great way to Boost your Ratio. Normal Site Seeding Rules Apply.
Seed to 1.0 or 36 hours to avoid Hit and Runs.
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The idea is good, however i think having a ratio system on the site will do it more harm than good.
Unless you download the rom soon after its uploaded your probably going to struggle to seed it back, especially if its from a developer who updates the rom every couple of days. I think its very unlikely someone would download the older version once the next build is out.
Wow, my site made the front page news! Awesome .
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this is a brilliant idea, its annoying having to navigate through those nasty ad filled, speed restricted file hosting sites, i hope it grows and grows
my signup email conformation hasnt come through though
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Hmm, weird. Like previously mentioned, check your spam folder. I'll see what I can do later when I get off work.
erktheerk said:
Donated $3 has not shown. Still Says Zero. Also been waiting on a confirmation email...It's new. Kinks to work out. Hope my $3 helps is the most I can spare.
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Wait what? That's not a real sentence.
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Yeah, there's kinks to work out (new to PHP as well so that doesn't help lol). Not sure why the donation thing isn't updating... I'll have to look into that.
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Check out some of my work and ths work of my team mates in the sprint epic4g touch section. Let me know If we qualify.
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Sure! Just post a thread in the Bitdroid forums in the Uploader Request board!
djibrilcoulibaly said:
we can only say you THANK alot and good job . but one thing ..
it is for every Rom ( custom and shipped rom ) or just rom leaked by private developers ?
ps : I haven't paypal from me ( Country's restricted ) , sure I would donate you some $$ ...
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It's for any ROM. There's categories for stock ROMs, custom ROMs (from developers), or 'Other' (for kernels or something like that). I can always add more categories as well if anybody has suggestions!
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The idea is good, however i think having a ratio system on the site will do it more harm than good.
Unless you download the rom soon after its uploaded your probably going to struggle to seed it back, especially if its from a developer who updates the rom every couple of days. I think its very unlikely someone would download the older version once the next build is out.
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I've disabled ratio restrictions on the site. Where did you find that tidbit at? Was it in the rules/FAQ? If so, that's just because I haven't really had any time to update that at all, due to classes starting up again.
Worry not, ratio is not a concern (but sharing what you download always looks good ).
if so it's better thank once more .
It's for any ROM. There's categories for stock ROMs, custom ROMs (from developers), or 'Other' (for kernels or something like that). I can always add more categories as well if anybody has suggestions!
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No problem. The categories I currently have:
- AOSP / AOKP
- Other
- Proprietary GUI (for ones like Sense, TouchWiz, etc.)
- Stock (Rooted)
- Stock / RUU's
Would just like to thank everybody for their support!
Unable to register. It claims that I'm not matching the CAPTCHA (I think...)
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The confirm code you entered is too short.
The confirmation code you entered was incorrect.
There is no CAPTCHA, and I have filled out all 5 fields that are shown on the registration page properly.
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Unable to register. It claims that I'm not matching the CAPTCHA (I think...)
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The confirm code you entered is too short.
The confirmation code you entered was incorrect.
There is no CAPTCHA, and I have filled out all 5 fields that are shown on the registration page properly.
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Are you trying to register through the forum or the tracker?
If you're trying through the forum, try registering through the tracker instead. Another user PM'd me with a similar error I believe, and he was trying to go through the forum.
Alright, sorry about the issues registering on the forum guys. There was a conflicting option turned on that I missed when setting up the forum.
It should be working now for registration.