Hi,
I just wish to ask if there is any undesirable side effects from unlocking the bootloader ?
I came from the Sony Xperia side and there are unfortunate side effects such as loss of DRM keys and stuff.
The sticky thread for information under the development section for knowhow is filled with broken links and the disclaimer at htcdev isn't very heartening. I just need some assurance before I go on to unlocking and rooting the device.
Thank you.
sayatsugu said:
Hi,
I just wish to ask if there is any undesirable side effects from unlocking the bootloader ?
I came from the Sony Xperia side and there are unfortunate side effects such as loss of DRM keys and stuff.
The sticky thread for information under the development section for knowhow is filled with broken links and the disclaimer at htcdev isn't very heartening. I just need some assurance before I go on to unlocking and rooting the device.
Thank you.
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There aren't any seriously undesirable side effects that I know of. Just that rooting is almost pointless unless you can get your device to turn S-OFF (by default the device is in S-ON, which means that /system partition may not be written). Until you get S-OFF, most post-root tweaks like the ones that use Xposed Framework, etc., will not work properly.
As of now, the only way to get S-OFF on the HTC One E8 is Sunshine. My advice would be to try Sunshine out and see if your device is even compatible with it. Until that is confirmed, there is really no point in unlocking your bootloader or root the devoce. The Sunshine test is (according to jcase) harmless and only runs a series of tests until you actually pay for it. Also, it is $25.00, which is steep but probably worth it if you need the functionality.
Be advised that if you do choose to run Sunshine on your device, it would be at your own risk. I did try running it and found that my device isn't compatible with the exploit that Sunshine uses.
That's unfortunate, I was looking to use Titanium Backup to move my stuff over. I will have to explore other options then.
Thank you for your informative reply
Just try running Sunshine on your device and that should answer your questions. If you're getting S-OFF then root is probably worth it.
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From what I have read, the answer is no but I have some more questions so I guess Id ask anyway.
Transformer was very expensive and I have more than a year of warranty left. On the other hand I would very much like some of the features that require root. What action is possible to roll back? Unlocking, rooting or flashing a custom rom? I need to unlock the device before I can root it right?
I would use a number of features that rooting allows, but my main desire is to be able to use keyboard dock and mouse or even a gamepad as game controllers. Only program that can do that (joy2touch) requires root. But if I had root I guess I would try Cyanogenmod too because I can only see people praising it for how greatly it improves experience.
Also, there is lots of information around here but its still not dumb enough for someone who just wants to root a device but has no idea where to start (its pretty confusing). So sorry in advance for possibly asking obvious questions.
3DeX said:
From what I have read, the answer is no but I have some more questions so I guess Id ask anyway.
Transformer was very expensive and I have more than a year of warranty left. On the other hand I would very much like some of the features that require root. What action is possible to roll back? Unlocking, rooting or flashing a custom rom? I need to unlock the device before I can root it right?
I would use a number of features that rooting allows, but my main desire is to be able to use keyboard dock and mouse or even a gamepad as game controllers. Only program that can do that (joy2touch) requires root. But if I had root I guess I would try Cyanogenmod too because I can only see people praising it for how greatly it improves experience.
Also, there is lots of information around here but its still not dumb enough for someone who just wants to root a device but has no idea where to start (its pretty confusing). So sorry in advance for possibly asking obvious questions.
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If you just want root to use joy2touch, then your warranty is still good. If you unlock your device, then your warranty is voided... you can find more information about unlock and root here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1833212
Good luck..:fingers-crossed:
Yes but, there is rooting for either unlocked devices or devices running ICS or lower. And whatever rooting for JB I found (im running newest OTA) is only for unlocked devices as well. As I understand it, rooting does not void the warranty but unlocking does? Does that mean im screwed? I dont even know the difference between unlocking and rooting...
3DeX said:
Yes but, there is rooting for either unlocked devices or devices running ICS or lower. And whatever rooting for JB I found (im running newest OTA) is only for unlocked devices as well. As I understand it, rooting does not void the warranty but unlocking does? Does that mean im screwed? I dont even know the difference between unlocking and rooting...
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A rooting is allowed you to access your system files so you can modify them as will. A unlocking is allowed you to install custom rom and recovery. Someone else may have a better explaination for you.
No, you still can root your device if you have a bootloader .8 or earlier. If you have the latest bootloader, you can downgrade and root it..
LetMeKnow said:
No, you still can root your device if you have a bootloader .8 or earlier. If you have the latest bootloader, you can downgrade and root it..
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Rooting exploits a bug in the kernel, not in the bootloader, so it's the ROM/kernel build 10.6.1.14.8, not the bootloader build. But it's always the same on locked devices anyway.
Uhm... you are confusing me even more. So is there a rooting guide that doesnt involve unlocking, can be reverted or doesnt void warranty, and works with newest stock OTA?
To my knowledge I dont have any kind of bootloader.
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Rooting exploits a bug in the kernel, not in the bootloader, so it's the ROM/kernel build 10.6.1.14.8, not the bootloader build. But it's always the same on locked devices anyway.
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Thanks _that. What I meant is the latest firmware from Asus.
@3DeX
1. Download the Asus firmware 10.6.1.14.8
2. Backup your personal data and everything that you like to keep to your computer or your external SD.
3. Make sure that your battery is full so it is not shutdown during the installing process..
4. Unzip it once because there is another zip file insde it.
5. Copy the second zip file to the root directory of your internal SD.
6. Reboot your tablet.
7. After reboot, you will see the downgrade notification in the lower right corner.
8. Click on the downgrade notification and follow the instructions.
9. During the installing process, Do not try to turn it off. It will reboot by itself when the installation is completed. It may take 2 to 3 minutes..
10. Use motochopper to root your device.
Good luck..
I've been watching the developer board regarding the root and locked bootloader issue, and I've spent hours researching this and have yet to find a solution that's known to work without loss of something, likely a permanent or semi permanent loss. My device is a Z3 model D6616. I'm unhappy with the phone for several other reasons, but haven't owned an un-rooted phone for some time, and prefer keeping this phone if I can root it successfully. Root with stock firmware is my objective and am only interested in responses from people that have themselves rooted (and dealt with bootloader issues) a Z3.
- Root phone installing current T-mobile stock firmware.
- Known loss of function: Sony DRM dependant features/funtion only (from memory, mostly related to camera low light performance and DRM playback issues)
- Other loss of function experienced with stock features, or any other problem with any other app. Especially concerned with root dependant features of Play apps? Also ad blockers?
- Waranty loss (potential) and loss of OTA updates understood.
- Feature/function loss with workarounds or fixed that survive power cycle?
- Expect permament bootlocker inability to relock
- A link to the specific process you used, any problems you encountered whatever the cause. For example it usually takes me at least 3 attempts to root using any complex process, and I always read through 5 times before starting and download every needed file and program in advance.
Again: Sony Xperia z3 D6616 T-mobile
Firmware: 4.4.4 23.0.3.1.123
Software: D6166 R16B
In the past, I've had the most problems when an understood part of a process is not explicitly stated, or I've ignored or misunderstood a step. Plugging and unplugging from usb to PC a typical example. I don't have the technical know how to critique or ignore, so always attempt to follow all instructions without variance. I've had some problems, and most were solved by starting the process again. I hesitate to ask for help since the last time I did that I was attacked for witholding information when asked if I had backed up the phone. Since i didn't have access to the PC at the time of the question I honestly answered I didn't know (since I had attempted to but couldn't confirm). If you've ever answered a question here implying the request or requester is stupid or dishonest, I'm fully aware of my ignorance and my own integrity, and other personality traits, so please ignore this request, which accepts my lack of knowlege and has no tolerance for your issues not previously resolved through your own peaceful and respectful process.
Please only respond if you have personally rooted this specific phone model. If you have not, but know someone who has, please ask them to review this post and respond.
Nobody has rooted this phone without unlocking the bootloader. If you unlock to root, you will permanently lose DRM keys from the TA partition with no way to recover. No current root method works on 4.4.4 on the Z3. No one knows when or if an exploit will be found. We all want root. If you want it now, unlock the bootloader. If you can wait, wait. It's your call either way. As soon as a root method surfaces, best believe it will be in these forums. I'll be waiting with you...
First of all, check *#*#7378423#*#* to see if you bootloader can be unlocked or not.
Coz I think 6616's bootloader is unlockable.
freddy1991 said:
First of all, check *#*#7378423#*#* to see if you bootloader can be unlocked or not.
Coz I think 6616's bootloader is unlockable.
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This is true. D6616 owner here, T-MO not unlockable yet :/ eagerly awaiting root as well as I really enjoy the z3, maybe even more than my Nexus 6 (gasp, blasphemy!)
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freddy you addressed my concern, exactly. My phone reports:
Rooting Status:
Boot Unlocker Allowed: No
Although variants of the z3 have been bootlocker unlocked and rooted, I have not found a clear claim that was successfully done with D6616 z3. Since I'm a new T-mobile customer, this and their attitude about it are a poor way to start. I have a HTC phone I haven't returned, maybe I can get them to take the Z3 back instead. While I have benefited from and appreciate the great work so many people have done to make our phones usable and available to us, I've seen how carriers, mfgs, and users push good phones to market crippled by junk and unecessarily locked down. it's time to consider the mamufacturers that have been successful building good phones and selling in places like China at much lower prices.
Regarding any loss of DRM, I couldn't care less. This phone takes worse low light photos and video than my rooted Samsung G3, making it functionaly useless to me. Add to that the lack of a rational UI for telephony and IM, and done with Sony.
To be clear, if the bootloader can be unlocked and the phone can be rooted and you have done this yourself, please post.
Well...
I think there is no way you could unlock the bootloader of 6616.
The only way is to wait for the root on locked bootloader.
Check here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2940539
But that means you have to stick in the .93 firmware, even if the exploit is also usable for Z3.
Or return your 6616 and buy a 6603 or 6653 variant.
BREAKING NEWS
http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/giefroot-rooting-tool-cve-2014-4322-t3011598
Man, No bootloader unlock = Useless phone
HORiZUN said:
BREAKING NEWS
http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/giefroot-rooting-tool-cve-2014-4322-t3011598
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Nope.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58468332&postcount=815
I'm similarly confused about this whole thing, this new Giefroot program means we can all potentially get root for our devices, but we still lose the DRM keys right? So that means we can never have the Sony camera/image processing processes back again right?
Thwwack said:
I'm similarly confused about this whole thing, this new Giefroot program means we can all potentially get root for our devices, but we still lose the DRM keys right? So that means we can never have the Sony camera/image processing processes back again right?
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NO
Unlocking the bootloader = loss of DRM
Rooting that does not involve unlocking the bootloader means you keep the DRM keys
gregbradley said:
NO
Unlocking the bootloader = loss of DRM
Rooting that does not involve unlocking the bootloader means you keep the DRM keys
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Thanks, I'm new to Android and this is all over my head. To clarify, Giefroot does this without unlocking the bootloader?
It's all pretty frustrating, I gotta say... I'd love to install Cyanogenmod on this, but losing key features on the device is a pretty harsh trade off.
Thwwack said:
Thanks, I'm new to Android and this is all over my head. To clarify, Giefroot does this without unlocking the bootloader?
It's all pretty frustrating, I gotta say... I'd love to install Cyanogenmod on this, but losing key features on the device is a pretty harsh trade off.
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Yes, giefroot does not unlock the boot. There is only one way to do that and that is to obtaining the code from sony and fastboot it either manually or using flashtool.
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I have the D6603 model, running with Sony's latest software version of Kitkat. I have not rooted my phone for fear of losing the phone's camera quality, however I've read that this was recently fixed.
How can I root my phone and install Xposed on it? I see lots of guides for installing roms, however I'm not sure which guide out there is safe to follow for someone who's new to rooting phones. I don't want a custom rom on my phone, I just want Xposed available, and don't want to ruin the camera.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3017056
Just follow the instructions carefully. If you don't understand something Google it or post it here.
The camera quality problem is due to DRM keys (they are like license keys), but they only get lost if you unlock your bootloader, not by rooting, installing a recovery or flashing stock based ROMs.
There is a difference between rooting your device and unlocking the bootloader. Rooting your device will NOT affect your DRM keys, which is the cause for losing camera quality (among other things).
There's plenty of guides providing step-by-step instructions explaining how to root the Z3 without unlocking the bootloader (keeping the DRM keys and your camera, safe).
Installing XPosed framework only requires root.
Hobbes2099 said:
There is a difference between rooting your device and unlocking the bootloader. Rooting your device will NOT affect your DRM keys, which is the cause for losing camera quality (among other things).
There's plenty of guides providing step-by-step instructions explaining how to root the Z3 without unlocking the bootloader (keeping the DRM keys and your camera, safe).
Installing XPosed framework only requires root.
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Why did you reply on this thread? I already answered the OP's questions (even provided a link, you didn't).
This thread is nearly 10 days old and the OP didn't reply to my answer so there's no necessity for you to do this ....
The OP has (or had) root and unlocking the bootloader mixed up. We've all been there, unsure about specific topics, hesitant about what to do.
Why? What's the big deal?
I'm not sure how I would root it, all the tutorials are different from one another. I have no expericence in rooting devices so don't use all these fancy words lol. I've heard something about unlocking the bootloader what ever that is, but I can't find any good tutorials! Help!
Firstly, rooting is not something that one should do without knowing exactly what they are doing, like flying a plane, or performing surgery. Before rooting, you should read up on how it actually works, and the risk involved. It is very important to learn the 'fancy words' and what everything - like a bootloader - actually means. Rooting is a very risky process and is much more complicated than running a dodgy 'one click root tool'. Rooting has serious risks, as rooting can expose personal data by making the device more vulnerable, cause a permanent hard brick and even make the device physically unsafe.
When you first root a device, you should be able to do it with your eyes closed. You learn by reading, so here's some info to get you started:
Bootloaders
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile...-bootloader-on-android-phones-complete-guide/
Unlocked bootloader risks
http://www.howtogeek.com/142502/htg...-of-unlocking-your-android-phones-bootloader/
Common Android partitions
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile...plained-boot-system-recovery-data-cache-misc/
How root access works
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooting_(Android_OS)
https://seasonofcode.com/posts/how-...planation-of-the-android-rooting-process.html
I am aware that there is already a thread for unlocking Bootloader on Android 8.1.0, but I tried the steps in that article and it unfortunately was unable to unlock my device. I bought my Pixel 2 secondhand, but because the OEM Unlocking toggle in Settings is grayed out and in the off position, I am led to believe that I have a Verizon model. I have an AT&T SIM card however. I also tried looking up how to downgrade my phone to the Google version of Android 8.1.0 but they all require that OEM Unlocking be turned on. Is there any updated guide on how to unlock the Bootloader for my phone so that I can possibly root it?
Not right now but there is an interesting vulnerability out right now.... I'd turn off updates for a little while incase something arises
Unlocking the bootloader is a totally different prospect than gaining root. Root can be obtained with an exploit, the recent one being a good example, but it will only be temporary. To make it permanent you need to unlock the bootloader. To unlock the bootloader you need yet another exploit for the bootloader since all the refurbished models appear to be unable to use the factory unlock process. Combine that with low demand for a two year old device and odds are it will never happen unless Google itself provides a solution. In short, I wouldn't hold my breath or leave a giant security hole on your device in hopes that it can be bootloader unlocked in the future. If you need a device that can be bootloader unlocked, go to Google and buy one.
***Unlocking the bootloader is a totally different prospect than gaining root.
Agreed
***Root can be obtained with an exploit, the recent one being a good example, but it will only be temporary.
Not always true, there have been many roots that didn't require bootloader unlock. Towel root comes to mind also many sunshine roots and countless others.
***To make it permanent you need to unlock the bootloader.
It helps a lot but see above....
*** To unlock the bootloader you need yet another exploit for the bootloader since all the refurbished models appear to be unable to use the factory unlock process. Combine that with low demand for a two year old device and odds are it will never happen unless Google itself provides a solution. In short, I wouldn't hold my breath or leave a giant security hole on your device in hopes that it can be bootloader unlocked in the future. If you need a device that can be bootloader unlocked, go to Google and buy one.
I don't want to buy a other phone..... The first one I bought was supposed to be unlockable. I'll deal or hope. The security hole really doesn't worry me at the moment. I won't leave it open permanent.
After thinking about it, the a/b partition may throw a serious monkey wrench in the full root issue.
Is there a way then to root my Android without turning on OEM Unlocking? My limited research on this makes me conclude that there's no such method for the Google Pixel 2.
Right now there is a temp root.
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Right now there is a temp root.
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Would you be able to provide a link on how to do a temporary root on the Pixel 2?
I believe if you read the whole thread one person said it worked on the p2.
Careful though, change system they say it bricks the phone.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pi...-magisk-root-vzw-pixel-2-xl-xl-t3981423/page5