[Q] used an ice pack to cool my note pro 12.2 condensation on outside maybe inside.. - Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I wish I read these forums before i attempted to put an ice pack under my tablet.
what i did was under my note pro 12.2 i wrapped an ice pack in 2 plastic bags and put it under my tablet, it immediately kept the temperature to only 21C i was really happy but i noticed on the back of the tablet (it has a faux leather back that might be porous) there was condensation building up where the ice pack rested (water vapour in the air drawn to that spot) i immediately wiped it off and then put the icepack back on the back of the tablet, again after couple mins there was condensation so i wiped it off.
only after speakign to a friend did i realise that might be a bad move because the water condensation could potentially go to the underside of where the tablet had the ice pack (which is more plastic i saw a video of my tablet being taken apart so i know what the insides look like)
what are the chances that water vapour has gotten inside into the important components? there's no vents the tablet is almost air tight bar the micro usb charging slot on the right and the 3.55mm headphone jack on the left, the micro sd card slot is sealed, those are the only entry points i imagine water vapour could get in.
i did this inside my bedroom, not sure how humid it is relatively it was cold today around 8C but with southerly wind so felt more like 13C.. is it possible for condensation to get inside the tablet given what i've described?
there's no breeze, im indoors however i did see condensation on the OUTSIDE where the ice pack rested so i just assumed the bit inside it behind the back cover also was cooled down and naturally air moisture woudl be drawn to it.. that leads to the question how much air moisture is inside the tablet in the first place and is there any viable way for it to enter via either the 3.55mm jack or the micro usb port 3.0 on the right?
you said that condensation goes down not up but is it possible i may have condensation inside the tablet? surely naturally if there is any it would go to the metal parts of the device inside IF there is any, as a precaution i put it in a box of rice but read that silica is better so got a few of those and some instant noodles which apparently is better than rice to get moisture out.
my thinking is if it's sealed up as in like most tablets are.. how is the moisture going to get out via the micro usb or 3.55mm jack ports? surely the silica and instant noodles dont have enough sucktion power to draw all the moisture that's inside a sealed tablet?? or maybe i'm underestimating the power of it.
surely people with iphones or ipads can relate, the device is completely sealed just a headphone jack and a charging port.. people have dunked theirs in water and put it in rice and voila it's fine.. howerver if it was sealed to begin with only a small amoutn of water realistically is going to get in via the charging port or the headphone jack right>? unless it's submersed.
what i cant figure out is if there is condensation inside for whatever reason.. how is it going to get out?? there's only a micro usb port and headphone jack .. which might indicate that not much woudl get in way of condensation in the first place? i dont really udnestand the physics of it but i know cold surfaces attract condensation.. that proved it by the outside of the tablet but what about the inside??
i put it in rice as a precaution adn i really dont want to take it apart as im still under my 28 day return thing (ideally i'd return it but the colour i want has been discontinued) so i cant guarantee if there's moisture inside.. but let's assume there is.. how is it going to get out? this isn't normal water in cracks and in a phone which i can open up take the battery out and dunk in rice so the rice can be close to the areas of water.. this is just water vapour which may be attached to the underside of the back cover.. so obviously it'll heat up again because the insides get hot and evaporate.. but how does it get out??

I used ice packs to cool old phones when using as hot spots and they lasted many years. I doubt much if any moisture is inside but you can pop the back off relatively easy with a pry tool(pick basically) if you want to check.
If you left it there for many hours I might be concerned. Now I use a usb fan designed to cool tablets or small laptops I picked up for under ten bucks.
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There was definite moisture on the back of the tablet I wiped it of. Which makes me think that inside the cover there must be too however is that moisture from the hote air already inside the tablet that just exists? Or is it new air which is drawn to the cold surface, the question is if I'm inside my room with just the normal air surrounding me maybe humid slightly can it get in via the headphone jack or the micro usb port?
Remember basic physics moisture and water vapour is drawn to cold surfaces and if there was definite moisture on the outside of the tablet where the ice pack was surely the inside behind the cover will have some too, how much I do not know however I cannot ptry the back open as I'm still under warranty and it'll invalidate it so I can't check
If thee is much air actually inside the tablet that definitelytinto water vapour condensation and stuck to the surface temporarily however when it heats up again it'll evaporate back into the air I presume but first as a liquid. Then. Back as a gas floating in the air inside, I doubt there was much if inside.
My worry is simple physics would state that even if the air from otside didn't get into tthe device the air inside already contains some moisture, the ice pack on outside would make the condensation occur and thus go to the back of the inside back cove rand surrounding metal parts which are colder, when I remove the ice pack ats up turning that replaced condensation into liquid (on the back of the inside of the cover) which when heated up enough should go back into the air as normal assuming 100% transder, it seems that all the moisture inside the tablet that's floating inside the hot air will be drawn to the ice pack spot inswhere the battery is. The danger part is when u remove the pack and the condensation then then turns back into liquid that's when it can get into important parts and corrode I won't know this for at least a year without opening itplus it may rust. When it turns b ack into a gas and stays in the air inside the tablet is that sufficient for it not to do any damage or is the damage done already?
I have to assume that when the condensation turns into liquid before it then is reabsorbed by the gas in the air inside the tablet it'll have done some damage. I'm not really sure how. Long that will be.
Does anyone know physics better and able to give me a better understanding ould have occurred inside the tablet?

You basically have the answer right. As the device is used the heating and cooling of the components will expand and contract the air molecules inside the device causing air to be drawn in/out of it. This allows a relative equilibrium between inside and outside air in terms of humidity so that's how moist air is in there to begin with.
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I don't seem to have a problem with the temperature. Mine has the Samsung cover on it, so there is an air gap between the back of the tablet and the table.
I've had the P900 since September and use it 4 to 5 hours a day. OK the temperature here in Bahrain / Saudi is not in the 40°C yet, but it doesn't feel hot to the touch with use.

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touch pro got wet and now keyboard doesnt work

touch pro got wet and now keyboard doesnt work, any advice?
it was bought from ebay so not under warranty
most likely you shorted something out. unless you open it up and find out what exactly you did (do so only if you have experience with circuits) most likely out of luck.
You could also find a damaged one on ebay and use it for parts to replace the ones that the water has shorted out..
You could take out the battery and put it in an air tight container full of cotton ball/rice to wick the remaining moisture out of your phone. If that doesnt work if you're brave enough you could pour distilled water over your phone (with the battery out) then you can open her up and dry her out with low heat and then do the cotton ball trick. I did that trick for an old blackberry pearl and it worked. It decided it wanted to be a submerine and take a swim in my pool.

skyrocket water damage fix

my skyrocket got dropped in water i pulled it out put it under a hair dryer and it works, kind of. i use it as my primary phone right now but sometimes it freezes and the touch sensitive keys dont work the it either a) shuts off or b) i have to take the battery out.
any idea what replacement part or parts i could possibly change to fix this?
A new phone you prolly toasted the pcb
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1582881
Link to thread with link to AdamOutler video recovering from water. Take apart if you can. If left as is, you may expect further deterioration of the internal components and connections.
dac1227 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1582881
Link to thread with link to AdamOutler video recovering from water. Take apart if you can. If left as is, you may expect further deterioration of the internal components and connections.
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Issue is he has been running it already
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Issue is he has been running it already
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Right. All the damage is already done. He didn't care for it properly immediately after it got wet.
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It ain't over till it's over.
I had the proverbial "Bad Day" yesterday, or rather, my poor Skyrocket did. It went from being perfect, not so much as a scuff on it to: a) Dropped onto my CEMENT driveway from a height of almost 6 feet. How is this possible, you may ask? I was leaning over the porch rail to open the recycling bin, instead of going around and down the stairs... PURE LAZINESS is what it was! Anyway, it slipped out of my top pocket, in spite of the fact that I was trying to hold it with my fore arm. Why of WHY did the Skyrocket have to be so slim and sleek! The phone hit the cement, bounced once or twice, and then slid, ON IT'S FACE about 3-4 feet, with me making that scream you do while breathing in; kind of a "Uuuoooaaarrrrggghhhh" is the best I can describe it. I followed this by grabbing the phone, taking it inside and throwing an ever loving **** fit. I proceeded to throw the phone on the couch (Even during a full blown hissy, I try to protect the damn thing!) and as I examined it, it was one of those "It could have been much worse" things, that we try to comfort ourselves with, and amazingly they do help, even if it's BS. The damage was 100% to the front black chrome bezel (around the front edge of screen) - A part that in fact CAN be replaced, but requires COMPLETE disassembly, including separating the Screen from the digitizer, which I have no clue how to do. It may NOT be possible, in fact without breaking a layer of adhesive. EVERY other part of the phone is replaceable, in modular sections, I know, and will explain in a moment.
So... bad day right... well that would had been enough since I love my phone as many folks on XDA understand, but nooooooo. I had to then drop it in 8 inches of standing water. Yep.
Was in the bottom of my above ground pool trying to restart a siphon for draining it, when, "SLIP" I %&*&#@ DID IT *@#&$% AGAIN!! *#$%&!!
Phone drops STRAIGHT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE HALF FOOT OR SO WATER IN THE POOL!!!!!!!!
Ok, so I almost NEVER keep my phone on me when doing physical work of any type. When I work on my cars engine compartment, or crawling around under it, I put my phone in the car. Even when I dry my car after pulling out of the car was the phone gets taken OUT of my top pocket and put somewhere safe. I guess I got complacent, since I hadn't had "an incident" in several years. Even with my 5" Dell Streak, beast that it was, I never let it slip from my standard place of Top shirt pocket. Every time I lean forward, my hand or forearm holds the phone from slipping. It is a motion as natural to me as shifting while driving, without even thinking about it. But even I know that "**** happens" so, lesson learned: I am going to bite the bullet and get a nice slim cover for the Skyrocket. NOW THAT IT WORKS AGAIN....
So after I pulled it out of the water I was in full panic mode: I quickly patted it in my shirt, but even while it was still wet and dripping, I RIPPED the back cover and battery out. In hindsight, I wish I had worked to dry the exterior quickly, and THEN opened it. The battery liquid detector wen bright read... CRAP! The PHONE liquid detector stayed WHITE… Ahh, finally caught a break. So after a basic dry everything I can reach (and the Sim came out wet, and the microSD came out wet, not good signs) I tried a quick power up.... The SkyICE animation began, then suddenly changed colors and turned pink/red.. WHOA.. STOP THE BOOT! So I yanked the battery.
After quite a bit of further drying, warm gentle air across the back for a venturi effect (sure!) another try and the screen behind the Samsung logo was bright, blood red, instead of black...
THIS convinced me to take the sucker apart, and for the most part I did really well. I did break ONE tab on the "body" of the phone - that holds the back section over the PCB on, but fortunately there are 7 screws, and it fit tightly when reassembling. I DID frin s coupe drops of water, though they did not seem to be in spots that would short anything, like on the stainless cover over the Qualcomm Processor, but those were just what I could see, without magnification. I dried those, blew warm gentle air over the PCB, and then gently warmed the parts over a low wattage bulb in a lamp.
I am SO impressed with the construction of this baby! I WOULD prefer more alloy, and less plastic for frame, shell & body parts, but what AMAZED me were the connections for all the ribbon cables, between modular PCB's (Like the one on the bottom with a antenna, USB port, Speaker, Mic and capacitive touch buttons, and others... The ribbon just comes around from behind, and attaches via a snap in connection to a receptacle soldered onto the corresponding PCB. In the video of the guy taking it apart, he just goes around and pops up 5 or 6 of these in about 10 seconds total time elapsing. Anyway, check out the middle section of the video I post here, right after he pulls the rear frame off... you'll see...
Bottom line? It's maybe NOT too late for the OP... Granted the more he runs it with a short or worse, the more potential damage. But in my experience it is REALLY difficult to get ALL the water out of a current design phone. It just travels from section to section, His best option (besides either trashing it or paying for repairs is doing what I did. Parts are readily available from Hong Kong, and short of the Screen/Digitizer, most are reasonably priced. Good luck with it. Get a jewelers screwdriver, and a plastic "separator" before starting. My only warning: When separating the main frames, after removing the 7 screws holding the two main frames together, use a CURVED separator, and try to bend the frame that’s the back of the phone OUTWARD a little bit. In other words, pull it OUT as well as spreading the two halves. I did not have a curved plastic tool, just a straight one, and as I pulled the two halves apart, I did not bend it out (away from an inner opening, that tabs go into from the back frame, and I snapped one of the inner openings edges. Think of it as tiny tabs that you want to pull up out of a depression before pulling the parts directly away from each other.
Aww, hell, just watch the video closely, I repeated some sections a few times before trying the procedures.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf6jqYejWNU
Sorry for the lengthy post, but if I can save ONE person the pain of losing a good friend, then I think my life van finally have true meaning. Or something like that.
Why would you power it on so soon without even taking it apart to dry out?
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You see this guys pinky nail?!? Whou. I couldn't stop looking at it. I bet i can guess what its for
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should've left it off and left it in sack of rice for a day or so. RIP your phone...
Bricks don't fly or float.
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At least he didn't drop it in the water during a mini bath
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jnicks510 said:
should've left it off and left it in sack of rice for a day or so. RIP your phone...
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Yeah I was about to mention rice
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Well, I dropped my skyrocket in water a couple days ago but fished it out instantly.
Learning from past mistakes, I immediately turned it off and took the battery, sim and memory card out. After I took a paper towel and tried to dry as many cracks and openings as possible until I saw I could not get any paper towel wet. I put the phone and battery in a sealed bag filled with rice and left it for 3 days. When I took it out, the phone was covered in rice dust so I took compressed air and tried to blow it clean. Praying it worked, I put the battery in and turned it on. Miraculously it booted like nothing ever happened.
I heard online to not use a hair drier as you will blow the water into components which were initially not wet.
"I heard online to not use a hair drier as you will blow the water into components which were initially not wet."
This. Definitely avoid hairdryers. Rice is like magic. I have only dumped one phone in water (it was an iPhone 3GS on and playing a video at the time! Then I had a hellish time getting it to turn off... kept turning back on.) I popped the screen and gave it a rice bath for a couple days. It was as good as new after that. (Well, as good as any iPhone can be, anyway. )

Success repairing water damaged S3

I thought I would make a quick post to provide some encouragement for those who may water damaged phones. Took mine swimming the other day. Phone fell out of my pocket and drifted down to the deepest end of the pool 8+'. Fortunately I discovered the phone before I got out of the pool.
I ran down to the hardware store and bought a bag of powder dehydration powder used for drawing humidity out of the air. I combined this powder with a bag of white rice in an airtight container (may seem like overkill but this worked much better then the typical prescribed method).
Any how, I removed the battery, took the screws out of the inner housing assembly popped the assembly without completely disassembling. I then wrapped the phone in a couple of coffee filters to prevent any of the powder from entering the phone.
I put the filter wrapped phone in the powder over night, sealed the container and left overnight. When I awoke I had a completely dry phone.
When I attempted to reboot the phone, the phone booted, but the touch screen didn't work.
After watching a video on Youtube (disassembly guide) I completely disassembled the phone. Working with 99% Iso alcohol and some small brushes, I completely cleaned the interior of the phone assembly including the main board, all connectors (paying very close attention to the pin assemblies). I found quite a bit of white corrosion inside the pin assemblies for the connectors and on much of the components. I assume this was residual chlorine from the pool water. After thoroughly cleaning all components, board etc. I carefully reassembled the phone per the instructions in the video.
Once the phone was buttoned up and recharged, I rebooted the phone. The phone booted right up. Everything worked perfectly, with the exception of the camera (wouldn't focus right). I disassembled the in housing again and took the camera out again. After inspecting, I realized I hadn't cleaned the interior of the plastic cover that protects the camera. After booting again, camera worked perfectly.
I would highly encourage anyone who mistakenly immerses their phone in water to at minimum use the powder and rice mixture w/partial disassembly. This worked exceptionally well compared to simply removing the battery and placing in rice.
If your patient and willing to follow directions, I found the thorough disassembly and cleaning process to be quite informative and rewarding, and I got a working phone out of the deal.
Don't recommend getting your phone wet, but if you do, take the initiative and try this yourself. Feel free to msg me if you have any questions
Good to hear that home solutions is still a viable way to fix electronic problems.
How long was it in the water for? I would have figured there was no way that phone would come back to life. Good to know.
Makes no difference if it was 10 seconds or 10 minutes. It doesn't get "wetter" being in longer.
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mine got wet 9 months ago and the op's steps that they took were similar to what I did and I can confirm that you can save your phone. My phone even got plugged in to the charger before i realized it was wet. Thanks op for posting this to help others out.
Hall, that cant be entirely true. Granted, either way is bad, but you can have more corrosion build up if it sat longer. Will 10 minutes do that much corrosion? still doubtful, but still can effect the phone differently. Also, depending on the case, it could take a little longer to access deeper in to the phone.
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BurningDog said:
How long was it in the water for? I would have figured there was no way that phone would come back to life. Good to know.
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Sorry for the late reply. Phone was about 9' deep for about 10 minutes. It was completely water logged. Funny thing was screen was still operational when I pulled from the water. I immediately pulled battery to prevent shorting.
I tend to think the amount of corrosion is relevant to the depth of water invasion and the amount of chemical or other component in the water. Mine was full of white corrosion. Under a magnifying glass I could see it everywhere. Any place i found it, I scrubbed with a fine brush and alcohol, specifically around the pins in the connectors. Be careful not to bend any though.
As far as components, they seem to be very well sealed. Nothing got into the camera, gyro etc. Speaker and phone jack both needed quite a bit of work, but eventually came clean.
Wouldn't suggest opening a phone for no reason, but it is actually quite interesting to see how small and well designed the components are, as well as to see how and where they are installed, gives one a much better understanding of how these things work.
Should I ever drop a phone in water again, I will certainly feel much more confident about my ability to revive it. Not good for the phone but certainly not a death certificate either. With a thorough cleaning your phone should work just fine again.
Edit: so I read the OP. Excellent job, with the exception of the rice. Leave it out next time. It's time to end the rice myth!
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For the love of God people, stop putting your wet phones in rice. I work at a repair shop and have worked on more water damaged phones than I can remember. Also, I come from a fobby Asian family and have carried(20+ lb bags)/washed/steamed/eaten a lot of rice.
First, rice doesn't just absorb moisture. If it's submerged in it, it will. It doesn't just pull it out of the air.
Second, when you put something wet in a container, or anywhere without good airflow it takes significantly longer for the water to evaporate. Take some wet clothes and put them in a bag. Even an open bag. See how long it takes compared to something like line drying.
Half the time someone leaves their phone in a rice filled container, the phone still has water in it 3-7 days later. The other half the water is gone, but it has accelerated damage from corrosion/rust.
Best thing to do with a water damaged android phone: take out the battery. Put it anywhere with a comfortable ambient temp and airflow, leaving the battery cover off. Leave it as long as you feel comfortable. Install new battery and back up your stuff.
At this point, you may need to clean everything with rubbing alcohol. If you don't feel comfortable doing that yourself, bring it to someone.
Sorry to rant but I'm just so sick of opening up wet phones and having people tell me "but I read it on the internet!"
Spread the word.
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Sorry to rant but I'm just so sick of opening up wet phones and having people tell me "but I read it on the internet!"
Spread the word.
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Everything on the internet is true though. Which is why I will now let everyone know. You all owe me money. Depending on your yearly net income.
20k and below. $10
50 - 70k $20
70 - 90k $50
90k and up $100.
You may pay me via PayPal.
This is on the internet. This is true. Good day!
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Changing display

My display damaged and i wanna to ask you smth guys.
How difficulty is it to change it by myself?
I watch this video "
" and i concluded its pretty easy to change it. But the only tool i dont have is the heatgun the other tools i can buy.
Tell me your opinion. Is it easy to do?
Can't tell if it's easy, but in other situations that I needed a heat gun and didn't have one, I used a hair dryer, which is way more common to have at home, or at least easier to borrow from a neighbor or something like that
Watch tear down and repair vids.
If a repair shop will let you watch them do it.
ESD, learn and understand what it is. Discreet components ie the display and mobo are very susceptible to it out of circuit.
Bare minimum protection is a bare wood surface to work on and a relative room humidity of 50% or better. A earth grounded ESD mat and wrist strap is best
Disconnect the battery as soon as possible in the disassembly process. Discharge below 40% if possible before starting.
Have all the drivers, picks, fine precision tweezers, and tools needed. Excellent light and a 2X or so optical visor be nice.
Inspect for additional damage*.
Have a set of OEM seals and now's a good time to replace the battery if it's performance has noticably dropped.
Take pictures disassembling if needed. It must be put back together exactly as it was.
Do Not over torgue screws... less is better.
Be very careful not to damage the ribbon microconnectors.
Take your time, no rush.
*any impact that can break the display or bend the frame can damage the mobo. High G loads or direct impacts can damage chipsets internally, fracture solder joints and internally damaged multilayered mobo PCB internal traces.
I did it three days ago, bc my mix 3 had contact with water.
Its kind of easy to do with a hairdryer and a small plastic tool.
The hardest part is to glue it back together.
(But I have to say my screen didn't work afterwards. The expert in the phone repair store said its maybe a problem on the motherboard)
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I did it three days ago, bc my mix 3 had contact with water.
Its kind of easy to do with a hairdryer and a small plastic tool.
The hardest part is to glue it back together.
(But I have to say my screen didn't work afterwards. The expert in the phone repair store said its maybe a problem on the motherboard)
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If the battery isn't promptly removed and especially if it's not immediately powered down the current can cause corrosion and short out circuits. The power section is particularly vulnerable. Try again, inspect mobo and the ribbon connectors for signs of corrosion and moisture. Use bright light and magnification.
Is it completely dry? A good soaking with anhydrous isopropyl will help remove hidden water. Again dry completely afterwards. Getting the underside of BGA chipsets dry is imperative.
The micro connectors tend to trap moisture too.
Careful use of compressed air can be very useful but the key word here is careful. Don't stick a nozzle with 100 psi an inch or two from the mobo! Either use low pressure clean, dry air or back it up for high pressure air.
Use your best judgment... it's a bit of an art.
After you dry it as good as possible let it sit in a warm, dry room with a fan on it. Complete drying may take days without disassembly.
Thank you for the tips! I will try it like you described
The same is true with flooded cars, promptly pulling the battery can limit the damage even save the vehicle.
Be wary on flood damage vehicles for sale now, always check for water lines/marks
Most will suffer impossible electrical problems forever. Brine water always kills...

Water Damage on my Pixel 4a

So I didn't get the insurance for my wife's Pixel 4a and it (and my Pixel 4) were submerged in water at Busch Gardens for about 5 minutes at about 3 feet deep. My Pixel 4 works fine and hers is dead. They were both in a plastic "protective" phone bag that was fully sealed. Somehow water got inside the bag, maybe a tiny pinhole I couldn't see. It's currently sitting in a bowl of rice as I don't have any silica gels at the moment. It's been in rice for over 12 hours but still won't start and I can still see condensation inside the camera lenses. She is currently using my old Pixel 2XL so we're good there. I am hoping I can bring this back to life. Any ideas?
Hardly would you be able to sort that out. I have managed to get mine out with rice but that was before the damage became irreversible which is your case I guess.
Please keep us updated.
So did drying out the phone work ok?
Forget the rice... voodoo would work better.
You need to take off the rear cover asap and disconnect the battery to avoid permanent damage.
The clock is ticking Mr Wick... tic-tok...
Use anhydrous isopropyl alcohol* to absorb the water. Flush liberally but make it fast. Displace as much as the alcohol as fast as possible next.
Low pressure (10-15 psi) compressed clean air can be used. Best done in a dry room to prevent condensation. Remove as much as possible.
Allow to dry in a warm dry room with a fan on it for at least 2 days before connecting the battery.
You could forego the isopropyl alcohol and just use this last step extended to a week but no water can remain. I reccomend using the isopropyl for large amounts of water. The BGA chipsets have their contacts under them, these must be 100% dry... you can't visually inspect them. All switches and micro connectors must be dry. No water at all in the phone when done.
Next time double bag in zip lock freezer bags... better yet, don't bring phones.
* it is flammable... don't get stupid. Take care not to get it in between the display and glass if this possible to do as it would leave a residue.
Use your best judgment.

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