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I have two questions.
My Nexus' battery tends to overheat whenever I'm either playing games or charging. From what I've read, a hot battery will shorten the lifespan of the battery. What method do you use to cool down your battery?
This is a simple solution I came up with:
1. Take out an ice pack.
2. Envelop the ice pack with some sort of thin cloth (I used a microfiber cloth).
3. Take out the phone from its case and place the phone on the cloth.
I'm rather concerned about this method because it does cause condensation. However, the cloth applied over the ice pack is supposed to absorb the moisture emitted from the ice pack. Thoughts on this?
Hi,
First thing: can you provide the real temperature instead of saying "overheat" (it's like "it feels hot, warm, very hot, etc...")?
Second: are you sure you are speaking of battery temp and not CPU temp?
Phisically where your device is "overheating" (bottom, center, top right)?
what do you consider "overheat"? how it feels in hand isnt an accurate way to measure temp, as it could feel hot but still actually be cool. while charging, its normal and expected to get warmer. also while charging and using the device it can get significantly warmer. and the chances are that you will long get rid of your nexus before you see any real noticeable battery loss(2-3 years +).
Sure, sorry about that. I'll specify more in this post.
The heat is coming from where the battery is located and it feels very warm.
My phone went all the way up to 46C. (After cooling it off, it's 25C)
As for the CPU or battery temperature, the app I use only states "temperature: ". I'm assuming. it's battery temperature since the app monitors my battery statistics.
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Sure, sorry about that. I'll specify more in this post.
The heat is coming from where the battery is located and it feels very warm.
My phone went all the way up to 46C. (After cooling it off, it's 25C)
As for the CPU or battery temperature, the app I use only states "temperature: ". I'm assuming. it's battery temperature since the app monitors my battery statistics.
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46C is normal for battery temp, especially while charging(its not that much higher than body temp, which is 37C). if getting up around 55-56C, then its getting a bit too warm. 60C is overheating for the battery(100C for the cpu).
Nothing to add much as what simms22 said, in any case there is a thermal protection (thermal throttling) and the last protection is a shutdown (for both about CPU and battery temp)...
We have a quadcore device enclosed without any "hardware" cooling system, so under some conditions you can expect some heat, nothing to worry about since there is a thermal protection.
You are on stock kernel? What is your room temperature?
To me your solution seems too extreme and useless ("an ice pack", all day, near you, ready to use it when you reach YOUR temp , stop using your phone in this case...) , search for "heat" in this forum, nothing wrong.
While charging I have something like 39/41 °C and if I use my phone it can go at about 44/45°C for the battery temp. For the CPU temp while charging it can go to 70°C (all browsing the web in Wi-Fi and in 4G it's more, 88°C but with custom kernel and custom thermal settings).
Honestly, your use phone like you want and like you need, don't bother, in any case if you have a real overheat you will know (see above)...
Hello. I'm new with the account here, but been reading this forum for years.
I'm creating this thread because my new Nexus 5 (which I have for 20 days now) is overheating more than a normal mobile device should.
When i bought it, it had 4.4.4 Kit kat android, and I had that one for about 5 days, and in that time, I didn't notice any overheating, or maybe didn't pay attention, can't remember really.
But after installing official Lollipop 5.0.1, the device is heating pretty good even when browsing internet for 5 minutes, at about 30-40% brightness.
**** Please tell me if some of your devices are acting the same, and is it worth a try to install back an older android to try if it will stop overheating, or my device may be faulty and should I take it back for another one (or maybe switch to LG G2) ?
Because I'm still unable to post image links, i will write it down:
- Ambient temperature: 23 degrees Celsius
- The temperature sensor is taped on the back side, at the side of camera, this is where it overheats most. (even if not using camera)
- Phone temp after staying on standby with screen off: 28 C (it's not warm but it is warmer than desk which it is sitting on)
- After staying idle on home screen with screen on for 10 minutes (50% brightness): 30.5 C
- After chatting on Messenger for 10 minutes: 34.3 C (feels warm)
- After recording video for 4 minutes: 41 Celsius!!! (almost uncomfortably hot in the whole upper half of the phone, both the back side and the screen)
- After 15 minutes letting it cool down, with screen off of course, it is 38 C (still hot to touch), and it stays like that untill I reboot the phone, then it cools down.
The test took about 50 minutes, and after that, battery was drained for about 25%.
-While charging, the phone does not overheat, just gets a little warm which is OK. (haven't tried wireless charging)
P.S. I don't play games on the phone...
Please act quick in case I should return the phone...
the only time my phone gets hot is when im intensively doing a lot of things..
for example.. im playing ingress, have tether ON, and my two sons are using their tablets connected to my phone playing ingress too..
but if i turn off the game and turn off tether, it cools down..
to me it sounds u have something intesively using your CPU and perhaps GPS and other radios.
hold power button.. when PWR OFF shows, long press it and reboot into SAFE MODE...
use the phone for a bit and see if it gets warm... this should tell you if its apps installed.
I only used wifi, no tethering, no GPS, 3G, NFC or any other radios, cell signal is good so phone is not searching for it.
- In safe mode, it still gets warm when using camera. When browsing internet and watching images in google search, also but just mild warm..
- But after sitting and thinking, I've found a problem! After recording with camera and leaving it to cool down, it didn't cool down because it had to make an effort to upload that 5 min video on Google drive via Auto backup!
After turning the Auto-backup off, it is now much cooler!
I will post tomorrow with the results, if something changes...
Anyway, thank you!
First of all, "warm" doesn't mean anything.
Battery temperature does not mean much either, as the CPU is what generates the most heat.
There is a battery temperature throttle that reduces the CPU frequency, but it is almost entirely pointless as the CPU will always reach it's own throttle temperatures MUCH, MUCH earlier than the battery will. The CPU starts throttling at 65C CPU temp (NOT battery temp), and shuts itself down at about 105C CPU temp. Unless your battery somehow reaches a batterytemp of 70C+ (nearly impossible because the CPU will always hit it's throttle first), then I would never even take it into any sort of consideration unless you have a physical battery defect.
Using the camera generates heat since it's CPU and power intensive.
Using the phone in general will generate heat.
Keep in mind that mobile devices are passively cooled, not actively cooled with a fan/liquid.
Not sure what you're so worried about.
Lower your brightness
Lethargy, thank you for a short physics lesson. I'm already into physics and cooling systems so all is clear. I was just worried a bit because all of my previous phones weren't getting this warm (hot), but also never had a multi-core processor in phone eather, maybe that's the reason why I never experienced this before.
Battery temp (measured with app) gets up to 40-42 degrees Celsius, while the phone case gets up to 41 when recording video. Of course that temp won't damage the device, I'm not worried about the processor, but that temp is degrading battery life, in long term.
And about the brightness, phone is not meant to be used at lowest brightness all the time, so that shouldn't be an excuse for high temps. Just sayin'...
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AlexSRB said:
Lethargy, thank you for a short physics lesson. I'm already into physics and cooling systems so all is clear. I was just worried a bit because all of my previous phones weren't getting this warm (hot), but also never had a multi-core processor in phone eather, maybe that's the reason why I never experienced this before.
Battery temp (measured with app) gets up to 40-42 degrees Celsius, while the phone case gets up to 41 when recording video. Of course that temp won't damage the device, I'm not worried about the processor, but that temp is degrading battery life, in long term.
And about the brightness, phone is not meant to be used at lowest brightness all the time, so that shouldn't be an excuse for high temps. Just sayin'...
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The only thing that sounded odd was how it wasn't cooling down until you rebooted, but it sounds like you figured that out with the automatic upload setting.
41-42c battery temp can be normal after prolonged usage, though personally I usually see that after a short gaming session. My brightness is around 40% and high brightness will cause extra heat.
Otherwise the phone is very thin so you can feel the stacked SoC and RAM heat up through the skin fairly easily, right around the camera area as you mentioned.
I think each device and CPU is slightly different and can vary by a few degrees under load as well.
AlexSRB said:
Lethargy, thank you for a short physics lesson. I'm already into physics and cooling systems so all is clear. I was just worried a bit because all of my previous phones weren't getting this warm (hot), but also never had a multi-core processor in phone eather, maybe that's the reason why I never experienced this before.
Battery temp (measured with app) gets up to 40-42 degrees Celsius, while the phone case gets up to 41 when recording video. Of course that temp won't damage the device, I'm not worried about the processor, but that temp is degrading battery life, in long term.
And about the brightness, phone is not meant to be used at lowest brightness all the time, so that shouldn't be an excuse for high temps. Just sayin'...
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Your temperatures are fine and you shouldn't worry about it. It's average for a Nexus 5, and there are throttles/shutdown temps anyways, for both the battery and CPU. I've had mine for a year and there hasn't been any sort of issue, normal usage should be negligible to the condition of the battery.
Ok, everything seems to be ok then. Now I can go to sleep without worrying Thanks guys!
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Battery temp and health is good. Battery usage doesn't have anything out of the ordinary. What could cause these high temps?
As far as I know, normal temps under light to normal use is 30-40 degrees
Eh, I get similar readings on both my S6 and my ex-S6 Edge. It doesn't feel as hot as stated by the sensors on the outside. I guess, Samsung didn't calibrate them properly.
Bottom line, it's your normal and your phone will be fine.
That's normal. And those are calibrated correctly by the way.
CPU is somewhere in your device with some heat spreader on it that's why you don't feel holding a 60C phone in your palm.
You should be more sensitive to battery temp rather than CPU temp because CPU can run perfectly fine up to 75C; But for battery, anything higher than 40C is very destructive.
However if your phone feels uncomfortable in your hand (Like mine) try flashing Arter97 Kernel or AEL Kernel and undervolt. The lower the voltages, the lower heat will be. Without in sacrifice in performance!
My normal use temps were around 55-60 like you. After undervolting for -125 mV it barely crosses 52C. Most times it jumps up & down between 45-52.
Hi guys I'm wondering what's your normal temperature values.
I've received my OP7 pro today and I started right way installing apps, restoring 4 GB of WhatsApp data, and I've found that my device was some how kind of hot.
I've decided to install AnTuTu benchmark app, and when I've started the Stress test, I've noticed temperature peaks of 80°C.
Should I be worried? Have anyone of you guys tried?
I noticed mine also got kinda hot when was wrap charging...but 10 lays of liquid cooling is 10 layers
Well, mine on charging I didn't notice any thing odd.
It as only when pushing a bit for him. And I was mesmerized with the 80 °C in the stress test. I know is supposed for that test to burn the phone, but I never thought that would reach so higher values
I believe that my only fear is that the thermal system might be wrongly attached and I don't know.
Thus me trying to understand what is the normal temperature people are having
Normal temp is 90. When you wrap charge from like 5 percent to 60ish it goes up to 108 then cools down
Thank you for your reply!
Well, you are speaking about the Battery temperature while charging.
I'm worried about the other temperatures, like CPU. Like I said, if I try to run a stress test with Antutu, the temperatures on cpu have spikes to 90°C almost.
Even though I know that's normal to have spikes like these ones, I can't stop being a bit worried about the thermal resistance of the phone itself.
I totally understand that in normal use temperatures won't go so high than on a stress test, but it's for understanding how well is the phone prepared to sustain higher temperatures during large time intervals.
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Normal temp is 90. When you wrap charge from like 5 percent to 60ish it goes up to 108 then cools down
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Your image is in F , his 80C.
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hey guys !
iv got real issue with the flip 4 , i like the brightness to be full and also the extra brightness
but every min that i just do simple stuff like open face book or just playing few sec with the phone my phone begin to warm in the upper side
and the screen dim much , but i only do stuff like few second so whats the point of the brightness
im at home and its not hot in my room.
maybe its defect of the screen or its like that ? cause when i hade s 22 ultra it also dim screen when get warm and the iphone also dim the screen when become hot but in the flip 4 i just do simple stuff and the screen dim then even the brigthness slider when i play with it is not function wtf? can you help me thx
Why are you burning up your retinas? Dim light isn't harmful to your eyes but bright light can be.
There absolutely no reason to use full brightness indoors all the time.
Moreover full brightness greatly reduces battery run time, lifespan as well as display lifespan.
It's best practice to not use these devices in direct sunlight... it will rag them out.
If you're hitting the thermal limits of the device and its battery or cpu core temps are too high ie the device is operating within normal parameters as opposed to a defective thermal sensor all you can do is reduce the load.
By turning down display brightness, reducing bandwidth usage and better optimizing the device to reduce power consumption. What's it's average mAh usage? SOT?
Heat is the inevitable byproduct of power consumption; reduce power consumption to reduce the heat.
blackhawk said:
Why are you burning up your retinas? Dim light isn't harmful to your eyes but bright light can be.
There absolutely no reason to use full brightness indoors all the time.
Moreover full brightness greatly reduces battery run time, lifespan as well as display lifespan.
It's best practice to not use these devices in direct sunlight... it will rag them out.
If you're hitting the thermal limits of the device and its battery or cpu core temps are too high ie the device is operating within normal parameters as opposed to a defective thermal sensor all you can do is reduce the load.
By turning down display brightness, reducing bandwidth usage and better optimizing the device to reduce power consumption. What's it's average mAh usage? SOT?
Heat is the inevitable byproduct of power consumption; reduce power consumption to reduce the heat.
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man loll i just say i play with facebook whatsapp for just around 2 min and the screen dim all you sayed got nothing to do with it , i see better with max brightness thats why they made it so??? its not possible that after 2 min the screen will dim the phone is new from today and i dont have nothing on it so this strange
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man loll i just say i play with facebook whatsapp for just around 2 min and the screen dim all you sayed got nothing to do with it , i see better with max brightness thats why they made it so??? its not possible that after 2 min the screen will dim the phone is new from today and i dont have nothing on it so this strange
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Is it just those 2 social media apps doing this?
I don't allow any social media or shopping apps on my phones. Trashware at best, spyware and/or malware at worst.
Just general use outside/car mine gets pretty warm and screen dims. Compared to my S22 Ultra it rarely dimmed but also a bigger phone
You likely know this but it bears repeating:
The processor and other circuits are mostly on the upper-half of the phone, near the camera. These chips do get warm, even hot, when applications are in use.
A lithium ion batter, when being charged or discharged, gets warm, even hot, depending the current flow needed to operate the applications, chips, and screen.
An OLED display can get warm, even hot, when lit brightly.
An OLED screen in sunlight will get warm, even hot, even if powered off, because it appears black.
Outside, if the OLED is bright white, it still gets hot because turning on all the pixels takes power, which is expressed as photos (light) and heat.
A very compact phone, like the Flip, has little surface area to expel heat. It doesn't have a fan, so the only way the phone cools is by convection (passing heat to the surrounding air) or transferring heat to your hand or (don't try this) water.
A folded Flip has about one-half the area to dispel heat because the screen cannot effectively radiate heat to the air or your hand.
Some applications use a lot of processing power even if you think you're using them. This is why so many people on this site discuss removing and/or disabling applications.
You can check in Settings --> Battery and Device Care --> tap on Battery --> tap on the graph, and the phone will display which applications are using the batter.
It's my understanding that the processor, battery and screen all have "checks" to ensure they don't get too hot, and Android can throttle these components to prevent wearing them out, burning them out, or causing a fire.
Hopefully others will better understand some of the challenges Samsung has in creating such a unique phone.
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You likely know this but it bears repeating:
The processor and other circuits are mostly on the upper-half of the phone, near the camera. These chips do get warm, even hot, when applications are in use.
A lithium ion batter, when being charged or discharged, gets warm, even hot, depending the current flow needed to operate the applications, chips, and screen.
An OLED display can get warm, even hot, when lit brightly.
An OLED screen in sunlight will get warm, even hot, even if powered off, because it appears black.
Outside, if the OLED is bright white, it still gets hot because turning on all the pixels takes power, which is expressed as photos (light) and heat.
A very compact phone, like the Flip, has little surface area to expel heat. It doesn't have a fan, so the only way the phone cools is by convection (passing heat to the surrounding air) or transferring heat to your hand or (don't try this) water.
A folded Flip has about one-half the area to dispel heat because the screen cannot effectively radiate heat to the air or your hand.
Some applications use a lot of processing power even if you think you're using them. This is why so many people on this site discuss removing and/or disabling applications.
You can check in Settings --> Battery and Device Care --> tap on Battery --> tap on the graph, and the phone will display which applications are using the batter.
It's my understanding that the processor, battery and screen all have "checks" to ensure they don't get too hot, and Android can throttle these components to prevent wearing them out, burning them out, or causing a fire.
Hopefully others will better understand some of the challenges Samsung has in creating such a unique phone.
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thx for your great reply
hyelton said:
Just general use outside/car mine gets pretty warm and screen dims. Compared to my S22 Ultra it rarely dimmed but also a bigger phone
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My flip4 is up and running and no negatives so far. Just slightly warm while I was downloading over wi-fi some 15GB of my music. The overall quality of this phone is pretty good, just like my S22, but it folds to 1/2 of S22 in size. Spent several hrs setting it up and debloating, I always do these things manually. This phone is very responsive and operates smoothly.
On the side note: picking up the delivery from Bestbuy, rather than getting it to my door by Fedex, wasn't a good idea - now I have to look somewhere for an mt box for packing up and shipping my trade-in, Bestbuy just handed to me two small retail packages w/ the phone and silicone cover. They don't handle trade ins.