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Hello Defy fellows!
I'm new here and to all Android ROM flashing thing. I own a Defy for a couple of weeks now, it runs Android Éclair and I'm looking forward to put on a nicer ROM on it. It is my first Android smartphone, I've come from a sad Symbian 2.3 Nokia.
So: I'm not familiar with any of the ROMs that lots of users here have been playing around and I believe that there could be really interesting inputs for the interested who are new to those developments.
I've been reading on the procedures and what's involved to flash new ROMs to the Defy and I couldn't help to notice that there are quite a few custom ROMs available.
I wonder which ones are the most stable and reliable. Also, which ones have the best performance and deliver higher battery autonomy. I would not like much experimental things, but mostly one with less bugs and problems, to carry on with it and don't bother for a while, until there is a major update or something.
I will use it here on Brazil and I expect it to not lose any functionality regarding GSM, 3G and GPS. I don't know exactly what is involved on this aspect and what are the limitations but I can say to you that my network uses 850 and 2100 MHz for 3G and 1800 MHz for GSM.
It should also support portuguese, even that there's just the spelling dictionary.
I'm sorry if there are dumb questions above, I simply don't know what can be a problem if I change the native ROM to a customized/tweaked one.
I believe that there are patches to do almost anything, but I would like to not need to worry about how to fix issues on my phone's system...
At first, I am tempted to get the main CM7 ROM but I'm creating this thread really to explore the differences and comparisons among the available options.
I am also strongly considering undervolting/overclocking the CPU
Looking forward to your thoughts!
Regards!
BTW: my Defy has Bayer Green lenses!
ursoouindio said:
BTW: my Defy has Bayer Green lenses!
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bayer is red lense
SOC is green
remuseu said:
bayer is red lense
SOC is green
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looking against the light I see green and yellow shinning... and Catlog reports is as being Bayer.
But that's ok, I wont rely that much on which color it seems to me without having something different on my other hand to compare with.
So, you have Bayer Yellow lens.
Well, thanks...
I didn't even know that there were a third color for the lenses....
But I think that isn't important , its all about the module, Bayer or SOC.
i will recomend you to use ms2ginger... it's a fully operational rom with gingerbread + motoblur, can record at 720p (HD), it's fast and have dlna option to share things with pc, laptops and LED tv.... ohh, it's have support for portuguese language too
espaciosalter20 said:
i will recomend you to use ms2ginger... it's a fully operational rom with gingerbread + motoblur, can record at 720p (HD), it's fast and have dlna option to share things with pc, laptops and LED tv.... ohh, it's have support for portuguese language too
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MS2Ginger is a very nice ROM. It's my current ROM.
ursoouindio said:
I wonder which ones are the most stable and reliable. Also, which ones have the best performance and deliver higher battery autonomy. I would not like much experimental things, but mostly one with less bugs and problems, to carry on with it and don't bother for a while, until there is a major update or something.
I am also strongly considering undervolting/overclocking the CPU
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As I see, here two common options for you:
I will vote for Barebones Froyo,
-stable Froyo, have no bugs
-without Blur
-best battery (1-2% per night, 2-3 days of average using 3g
-you can overclock it with bootmenu preinstaled
-as good bonus, u'll have many other little things which will make your every day use more enjoyable (720p playing, widescreen recording etc)
CM7 - bleeding edge, you'll have latest software, and latest bugs.
Actually, for me, CM7 give no advantage in every day use.
Someone will say perfomance, but its only syntetic tests (cheating), you'll have no real improvments, cuz hardware stays same.
You've given me an idea.
Would it be useful if I made a spreadsheet/googledoc listing all available roms which os they using, stable, major bugs etc?
what is ms2ginger?
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what is ms2ginger?
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check yourself....http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1140839
If u need better battery life(in stand by mode) u must use Barebones froyo ROM.
If u need better performance u can consider using WIUI or cm7.
If u need more new feature u can use cm7.
If u need more moto staff u can use ms2ginger.
For me I am using WIUI and i would say it is a great rom if u like miui's interface and the battery life is good for me(1-2 days) also I don't need new features except crystal talk plus . But I guess MIUI's guys will be add it soon.
My friends, thanks for the replies so far!
Can you enlighten me on what are these tweaks that gets better performance for CM7 over barebones?
As I understood, ms2ginger has the motoblur thing, right? I don't care much about it and I think that I probably would be happier without it as I believe it impacts considerably on the overall performance.
Comparing CM7 and MIUI, which are the most elementary differences?
Sorry for the lots of questions, but there it is hard to someone new keep track on all those developments.
Don't forget to give a try to MS2Ginger, it's a very good ROM and it's in RC2 phase. It has very good battery perfomance and also gives you 720p recording and the new motoblur. Right now it's the ROM I am using and I feel very good with it.
miui
why no one say something bout MIUI?
i've been using it since i got my Defy.
and so far, its a great ROM and nice also.
and good to showoff to iPhone fag
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My friends, thanks for the replies so far!
Can you enlighten me on what are these tweaks that gets better performance for CM7 over barebones?
As I understood, ms2ginger has the motoblur thing, right? I don't care much about it and I think that I probably would be happier without it as I believe it impacts considerably on the overall performance.
Comparing CM7 and MIUI, which are the most elementary differences?
Sorry for the lots of questions, but there it is hard to someone new keep track on all those developments.
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CM7 have no moto staff that improve performance also gingerbread have a better performance. I guess CM7's developers optimized drivers to get much better performance over CM7. MIUI is base on CM7 so there are no much difference of performance. The differences of CM7 and MIUI is they use the different shell(you can read as UI) and also MIUI doesn't use the latest source of CM7 so it may have more bugs and do not have some newest features. I perfer WIUI (mod of MIUI) because it is stable and it's easy to use
Barebones is really insane in battery life !!! it has been 12 hours ..... since and still i m on 90% but though it seems that the older or newer sim it really has a greater impact on battery life .... older seems eats up quickly whereas newer sim they use a lot less battery
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Barebones is really insane in battery life !!! it has been 12 hours ..... since and still i m on 90% but though it seems that the older or newer sim it really has a greater impact on battery life .... older seems eats up quickly whereas newer sim they use a lot less battery
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can confirm the sim effect...i too have lot better battery life after change of sim...am on bbfroyo...amazing rom...15 hours..lot of smses...few calls...an hour of chess plus quite a bit of aimless playing around with the phone...still 78% battery left...amazing
kevin_diu, thanks for the answer, I was wondering on this kind of relation between them...
Wouldn't it be possible to get the same shell as MIUI while using CM7?
joydeep1985, that is really incredible if you get that much battery from this smartphone. How's the performance on it?
I just don't get the sim issue, what is that?
Confused!
joydeep1985 said:
Barebones is really insane in battery life !!! it has been 12 hours ..... since and still i m on 90% but though it seems that the older or newer sim it really has a greater impact on battery life .... older seems eats up quickly whereas newer sim they use a lot less battery
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Wow! BB Froyo 157 gave me 12 hours of life from 100%-0% I can't believe how all of you get so much battery life! I'm back on WIUI and I get 18 hours from full to zero now.
Alright Nexus S community, First off i will say thank you to all the devs and your hard work... i havnt even begun to use all of your awesome work but there SO MUCH stuff in this forum its nutz!
I have been on an lg p500 for awhile now, running a nice CM7 port. Recently i have been given the opportunity to get a Nexus S for CHEAP. I figured why not!
So i come to you guys after about 2 hours of reading through the various threads on kernels and roms.
I am going to be looking for the combination of a kernel / rom that produces the best battery life, with good performance. It doesnt have to be the best rom in benchmarks. But one thats stable with good battery life... with a SMOOTH UI.
Obviously there is alot of developing right now due to the drop of 4.0.4... im just trying to narrow down which rom i will use and which kernel.
suggestions welcome!
Thanks
Nd4
Most ROMs that aren't HEAVILY edited don't vary much in battery life. The kernel can change the battery life a little, but it sits heavily on whether or not you are OCing/OVing. An extreme undervolt could also give you a tiny, probably negligible, boost. This is something you can change in each kernel anyway though.
As always, the biggest problem you'll face is something keeping the phone awake through a wakelock, or be woken up constantly, as well as the screen being on. No unnecessary wakelocks while idling, no rogue apps using transferring data for no reason while screen is off and no heavy OC --> great battery life.
Try out a range of ROMs and Kernels which have the features you want, here on the Nexus S forums they're all top notch
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Most ROMs that aren't HEAVILY edited don't vary much in battery life. The kernel can change the battery life a little, but it sits heavily on whether or not you are OCing/OVing. An extreme undervolt could also give you a tiny, probably negligible, boost. This is something you can change in each kernel anyway though.
As always, the biggest problem you'll face is something keeping the phone awake through a wakelock, or be woken up constantly, as well as the screen being on. No unnecessary wakelocks while idling, no rogue apps using transferring data for no reason while screen is off and no heavy OC --> great battery life.
Try out a range of ROMs and Kernels which have the features you want, here on the Nexus S forums they're all top notch
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thats my problem! SO MANY awesome choices! hmmm which one to start with first.
Pick the ones which have all the features you want first, then move onto the ones which are missing one or two, and so on. TitaniumBackup will be your best friend
Harbb said:
Pick the ones which have all the features you want first, then move onto the ones which are missing one or two, and so on. TitaniumBackup will be your best friend
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any stand out recommendations that i should at least give a try.
Thank you btw for your very warm welcome and help
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any stand out recommendations that i should at least give a try.
Thank you btw for your very warm welcome and help
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yes, all of them
first find a rom you like, then try all the kernels. the kernels can make a difference to the rom. it can make it worse, or much better. really, there are so many differences of opinions to whats good, as many opinions as there are users. but, being in the nexus s community, its really hard to make a wrong choice. there is just that much quality here.
personally, i use unofficial cm9 kangs as my rom with all the trinity kernels. but, i do make it a habit of trying all the kernels(and most the roms) at least once
AOKP and Bigxie ROMs, try these.
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simms22 said:
yes, all of them
first find a rom you like, then try all the kernels. the kernels can make a difference to the rom. it can make it worse, or much better. really, there are so many differences of opinions to whats good, as many opinions as there are users. but, being in the nexus s community, its really hard to make a wrong choice. there is just that much quality here.
personally, i use unofficial cm9 kangs as my rom with all the trinity kernels. but, i do make it a habit of trying all the kernels(and most the roms) at least once
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Pretty much this. Everyone has their personal favourite which means very little to you. Give all of the ones with features you need a try, and once you're happy with a particular ROM give it a shot with various kernels. Later you can expand your horizons.
I'm pretty sure there was a topic not too long ago about how hard it is to choose ROMs and Kernels because there are just so many of them.
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Pretty much this. Everyone has their personal favourite which means very little to you. Give all of the ones with features you need a try, and once you're happy with a particular ROM give it a shot with various kernels. Later you can expand your horizons.
I'm pretty sure there was a topic not too long ago about how hard it is to choose ROMs and Kernels because there are just so many of them.
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well this is good to hear.
In the lg p500 community we had alot of roms that were almost nearly the same, and a buncha junky ones, with a few good standout roms....
Guess once i get the nexus ill begin a flashin and playing!
seems like the major kenels around here are
Air Kernel
Matrix
SG-NS-ICS
yes?
nd4spdbh said:
well this is good to hear.
In the lg p500 community we had alot of roms that were almost nearly the same, and a buncha junky ones, with a few good standout roms....
Guess once i get the nexus ill begin a flashin and playing!
seems like the major kenels around here are
Air Kernel
Matrix
SG-NS-ICS
yes?
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dont forget Trinity Kernel, and its been around the longest
So I just rooted a friend's MyTouch 4G Slide and now trying to figure out which ROM to use. I have her trying JellyKang 1.8 which so far has been a horrible nightmare in terms of battery life on her device. So is there any advice on either a better ROM that doesn't have a battery drain issue or a kernel that might work better with JellyKang?
Also how hard is it to s-off this device? The laptop I would be using is running Windows 7 x64 if that helps any. I noticed mentions of the wire trick but beyond that what do I need in order to get this done? This would make swapping kernels much easier.
Thanks so much in advance for any information.
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So I just rooted a friend's MyTouch 4G Slide and now trying to figure out which ROM to use. I have her trying JellyKang 1.8 which so far has been a horrible nightmare in terms of battery life on her device. So is there any advice on either a better ROM that doesn't have a battery drain issue or a kernel that might work better with JellyKang?
Also how hard is it to s-off this device? The laptop I would be using is running Windows 7 x64 if that helps any. I noticed mentions of the wire trick but beyond that what do I need in order to get this done? This would make swapping kernels much easier.
Thanks so much in advance for any information.
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A "best ROM" thread always gets a lot of controversy. Everyone has different needs and opinions on what is/isn't important to them. If best battery life and everything working without glitches is paramount (my criteria), then a stock-based ROM like Miktouch 0.7 will work best for you. There are some newer ROMs that offer good performance with minimal glitches, though, so read through the comments on them in the Dev forum and make your informed decision.
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A "best ROM" thread always gets a lot of controversy. Everyone has different needs and opinions on what is/isn't important to them. If best battery life and everything working without glitches is paramount (my criteria), then a stock-based ROM like Miktouch 0.7 will work best for you. There are some newer ROMs that offer good performance with minimal glitches, though, so read through the comments on them in the Dev forum and make your informed decision.
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Yeah I certainly understand what you mean by controversy. I'll try Miktouch since to be honest my friend isn't quite liking the AOSP/CM experience so far. Thanks!
Well I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking for as this is the first time i'll ever install a custom rom.
I'm mainly looking for Battery and Performance, don't really care for features, but they wouldn't hurt if skins were great.
I've chosen a kernel already, which will be Franco Kernel!
Due to it's features of battery saving.
Also another question I have is for things such as Nightly and Stable releases etc, do I need to do a clean wipe every time I wish to update versions of the rom?
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Well I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking for as this is the first time i'll ever install a custom rom.
I'm mainly looking for Battery and Performance, don't really care for features, but they wouldn't hurt if skins were great.
I've chosen a kernel already, which will be Franco Kernel!
Due to it's features of battery saving.
Also another question I have is for things such as Nightly and Stable releases etc, do I need to do a clean wipe every time I wish to update versions of the rom?
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well, generally, you arent allowed to post threads on xda asking about which rom(battery being the most requested). what is told to you is try out a few, decide which you like best, as we all have different needs and wants, and our devices all react differently. anyways, battery is not about rom or kernel(yes, you said you like franco for battery). battery life is nearly all about how you personally use your device, how you personally set it up, what apps you use, and very much the quality of your phone/data signal. everything else plays very little into it.
with every kernel someone will tell you that it gives the best battery life, someone will say it gives terrible battery life. there is no magic pill, it does not exist. i know you read about kernel so and so and its amazing battery life, but it is usually just fanboys spreading the use of the kernel.
anyways, if you are updating a rom, feel free to dirty flash it. no need to wipe.
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well, generally, you arent allowed to post threads on xda asking about which rom(battery being the most requested). what is told to you is try out a few, decide which you like best, as we all have different needs and wants, and our devices all react differently. anyways, battery is not about rom or kernel(yes, you said you like franco for battery). battery life is nearly all about how you personally use your device, how you personally set it up, what apps you use, and very much the quality of your phone/data signal. everything else plays very little into it.
with every kernel someone will tell you that it gives the best battery life, someone will say it gives terrible battery life. there is no magic pill, it does not exist. i know you read about kernel so and so and its amazing battery life, but it is usually just fanboys spreading the use of the kernel.
anyways, if you are updating a rom, feel free to dirty flash it. no need to wipe.
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Thank you! :]
Guess I'll give SlimKat a spin!
Any thread links you could refer to me for first timers in terms of installing roms, backing up, etc.
I already have a rooted 4.4.3
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Thank you! :]
Guess I'll give SlimKat a spin!
Any thread links you could refer to me for first timers in terms of installing roms, backing up, etc.
I already have a rooted 4.4.3
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/how-to-nexus-5-one-beginners-guide-t2510966
try uber
xPvn said:
Well I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking for as this is the first time i'll ever install a custom rom.
I'm mainly looking for Battery and Performance, don't really care for features, but they wouldn't hurt if skins were great.
I've chosen a kernel already, which will be Franco Kernel!
Due to it's features of battery saving.
Also another question I have is for things such as Nightly and Stable releases etc, do I need to do a clean wipe every time I wish to update versions of the rom?
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try uber kernal, its a treat:good:
I am looking for a secondary ROM for MultiROM but Lollipop-based roms seem to freeze if they are not primary.
What is the most feature-rich, stable and battery-sipping ROM out there for Nexus 5 running 4.4.4?
There is no best ROM. Read the rules. These kind of post aren't allowed regardless of how you word them.
Flash all the 4.4 Roms, try them out and decide for yourself. Not everyone likes what you like, or has a set up like yours. Decide for yourself.
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There is no best ROM. Read the rules. These kind of post aren't allowed regardless of how you word them.
Flash all the 4.4 Roms, try them out and decide for yourself. Not everyone likes what you like, or has a set up like yours. Decide for yourself.
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Unfortunately, the admin team have decided they are allowed. That's why I'll post my answer which I keep in ever note:
"Best" ROM.
There is no such thing as a best ROM.* The question itself is*ambiguous.* "Best" is obviously a subjective term.
What I want from a ROM may well differ from what you want from a ROM,*ergo - what is best for me could be worst for you.
If you are asking what the most popular ROMs are, or which ROMs people*are using, you can see which threads stay around on the first few*pages (and have the most posts) in the*Android*Development or*Original*Android Development forums. You can also see what other people*are running by reading the*What*are you running on your Nexus 5 thread.
If you are asking which is the most stable, being a Nexus device -*they're all pretty stable.
If you are asking which is best on Battery, ROMs only affect battery*if they have a feature that is badly coded.* You will likely be able*to read about this in the ROM threads.* ROMs do not impact battery*life.* The only impact to battery life are your apps, your settings,*how you use the phone and mostly, environmental issues such as Phone*Signal.
For tips about improving battery life, please read*[Battery*Life Help] Troubleshoot battery issues here!
"Best" Kernel
Also, please note that as above, "best" is still subjective.* What we*all want from a kernel is different. Again, many people have the*misconception that Kernels affect battery life.* Let's get this*cleared up.* Although Kernel devs will build in optimisations and*efficiencies that will improve battery life, these are very, VERY*tiny...and if 1 kernel has these optimisations, they likely all have.
People will often say "Kernel x is better than kernel y for battery*life".* This is actually wrong. *Kernels respond to user settings.*Setting up the governor to favour either battery life or performance*is simple enough to do, you just have to do some learning.* The reason*people think Kernel x is better than y is because developers set their*kernels up with their preferred governor settings.* This is what we*refer to as out-of-the-box settings.* The out-of-the-box settings for*kernel x may well produce better battery results than the*out-of-the-box settings for kernel y, which favour performance.* The*fact is, you as the user have the ability to tune kernel x or y to*perform the same, be that battery or performance - so start learning*how to do this yourselves - that way, you can choose the kernel based*on the FEATURES you want, and not the fictional performance benefits*of one kernel over another.
Hope this helps
I'll play along and throw out a suggestion...my all time favorite ROM (notice I said favorite not BEST) is dirty unicorns which has a 4.4.4 version. Its full of awesome aosp features. Almost everything is customizable within the "dirty tweaks" section in the settings menu. It was my daily for a year before upgrading to lollipop.
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Well there goes XDA
harrisonp said:
I am looking for a secondary ROM for MultiROM but Lollipop-based roms seem to freeze if they are not primary.
What is the most feature-rich, stable and battery-sipping ROM out there for Nexus 5 running 4.4.4?
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These threads are stupid. Ask 10 people, you'll get 10 different answers. Read the OP's of all the ROM threads in development, decide which one has the features you want and flash it.
And FYI, I have two Lollipop ROMs on my N5 with multiROM, neither of which are my primary, and both run perfectly fine.
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These threads are stupid. Ask 10 people, you'll get 10 different answers. Read the OP's of all the ROM threads in development, decide which one has the features you want and flash it.
And FYI, I have two Lollipop ROMs on my N5 with multiROM, neither of which are my primary, and both run perfectly fine.
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I've been running lollipop for several weeks. No problems. Daily driver.
Thank you for dispelling misconceptions of mine. I am a bit overwhelmed with choices when it comes to KitKat, which is a sign of an active, interested and motivated development community.