Hello all,
For starters, some preliminaries:
ROM: ViperRom 3.2.1
Firmware: Latest (4.4.4)
Kernel, radios: Stock
Has anyone been having trouble with group MMS beyond the Hangouts app? The Hangouts app works like silk when it comes to group MMS - I can send/receive to all my friends (regardless of whether they have a smartphone or cell phone), it can play GIFs within the thread and it doesn't deliver messages at the wrong time (a 5:09pm message gets delivered before a 5:06 pm message). The problem with Hangouts is that it is slow and has odd kinks that drive me insane (when you send a message it doesn't show it unless you exit and reenter the message thread, three second delay to display contact when searching for number). The glaring issue is that it is an app that I simply do not use for it's native purpose - which is to create Hangouts and not use SMS. Nobody I know uses Hangouts, so I only use it for SMS.
I have tried literally every SMS app there is - Handcent, GOSMS, 8SMS, Hello, Textra, ChompSMS, Evolve SMS, Messaging (stock KitKat modified), HTC Messaging.
These apps all have a consistent problem - I cannot communicate with my cell phone friends in group chats. They receive blank messages and cannot read my replies. I've tried modifiying my APN but I am unable to create a new profile in Settings>Networks>APN. This is honestly strange to me because Hangouts works so flawlessly compared to all these other apps. Any suggestions?
genheals said:
Hello all,
For starters, some preliminaries:
ROM: ViperRom 3.2.1
Firmware: Latest (4.4.4)
Kernel, radios: Stock
Has anyone been having trouble with group MMS beyond the Hangouts app? The Hangouts app works like silk when it comes to group MMS - I can send/receive to all my friends (regardless of whether they have a smartphone or cell phone), it can play GIFs within the thread and it doesn't deliver messages at the wrong time (a 5:09pm message gets delivered before a 5:06 pm message). The problem with Hangouts is that it is slow and has odd kinks that drive me insane (when you send a message it doesn't show it unless you exit and reenter the message thread, three second delay to display contact when searching for number). The glaring issue is that it is an app that I simply do not use for it's native purpose - which is to create Hangouts and not use SMS. Nobody I know uses Hangouts, so I only use it for SMS.
I have tried literally every SMS app there is - Handcent, GOSMS, 8SMS, Hello, Textra, ChompSMS, Evolve SMS, Messaging (stock KitKat modified), HTC Messaging.
These apps all have a consistent problem - I cannot communicate with my cell phone friends in group chats. They receive blank messages and cannot read my replies. I've tried modifiying my APN but I am unable to create a new profile in Settings>Networks>APN. This is honestly strange to me because Hangouts works so flawlessly compared to all these other apps. Any suggestions?
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Have you tried Verizon Message+ ? That is what I am using and works well for me. I'm usually not a fan of Verizon Software, but the messaging app has a lot of options and doesn't seam to lag.
jsaxon2 said:
Have you tried Verizon Message+ ? That is what I am using and works well for me. I'm usually not a fan of Verizon Software, but the messaging app has a lot of options and doesn't seam to lag.
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I tried that app. Super clunky, definitely looking for a better alternative.
Interesting.
I have been running Viper also ( until yesterday actually).
I have been using Handcent and group messaging seems to work fine. At least no one has told me otherwise.
I do notice, with Handcent that from time to time SMS/mms messages seem to get hung up for quite a few minutes( see the spinning wheel next to message). I always though that was a network issue. You have me thinking otherwise now..
I have never tried hangouts for SMS. I might give it a whirl.
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I tried that app. Super clunky, definitely looking for a better alternative.
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Super clunky, okay. That's one way to describe it. lol. But did it work for group messaging? Have you tried a different rom? Viper is an international rom that has changes made for Verizon to work. Maybe there is a setting or library missing from Viper. Have you asked in that thread to see if anyone else has the same issues on Verizon?
jsaxon2 said:
Super clunky, okay. That's one way to describe it. lol. But did it work for group messaging? Have you tried a different rom? Viper is an international rom that has changes made for Verizon to work. Maybe there is a setting or library missing from Viper. Have you asked in that thread to see if anyone else has the same issues on Verizon?
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I used CleanRom before this...really have no interest in switching ROMs but I see what you mean about it being international. I always had used Hangouts without compliant but it took a serious speed hit when it got updated/I updated to Viper
Tried many of them and constantly been sticking with Textra.
MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
Tried many of them and constantly been sticking with Textra.
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I recently discovered this app. Love it, its like what the new google messaging app should have been.
MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
Tried many of them and constantly been sticking with Textra.
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+1 on Textra. I had group messaging problems too until this app. There is an option under settings to use MMS for group messaging. I think it's off by default. Try switching it on and see how it goes. It fixed my probs, particularly when texting to/from iDevices.
Sent from my Gunmetal Grey M8
Does textra have gif support in the message threads?
madzozs said:
Does textra have gif support in the message threads?
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Looks like it does. Successfully sent and received one.
Sent from my Gunmetal Grey M8
Textra does not work on Viper, tried that one as well
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Textra does not work on Viper, tried that one as well
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UPDATE: Some of the issues I have were actually due to me disabling animations in Developer Settings. Once I re-enabled animations, the issues with Hangouts "hanging" at the second to last message, rather then displaying my newly sent message, went away. The app also seems much smoother on the whole. I guess that disabling animations is a bigger detriment than benefit when it comes to Hangouts.
I still have the same group MMS issues in apps other than Hangout (people with basic feature phones only receive blank lines, rather than text). Hangouts remains the only texting app that works flawlessly with group MMS. It's a shame, because Textra is such a beautiful app.
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Ok guys, so this is my first post and first Android phone. I have been with iPhone since the very first one that was introduced but i decided to give the HTC One X a try.
My friends and i around my area all group text. i mean like i have 3 - 6 different group texts with different people in each. its how we communicate. however the only way to get group text in one thread with iphone users now is to either use handcent or go sms pro. but the problem is it freaking lags like crazy! i mean while im texting and other text are being received it completely freezes my keyboard for like a second or two.
Is anybody else having this problem or has been able to fix it?
i am really close to returning this HTC One X because group texting is a major part of having a phone for me.
I can't say I've experienced that problem as Go SMS Pro is my main txting client.
group messages from iphone users always came in slow as a MMS in handcent...i stopped using handcent on my one x due to it not being able to display syned Facebook contacts pictures.
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I can't say I've experienced that problem as Go SMS Pro is my main txting client.
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I've tried both handcent and go sms pro. and they both lag when tones of mms messages are incoming at once. =\
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group messages from iphone users always came in slow as a MMS in handcent...i stopped using handcent on my one x due to it not being able to display syned Facebook contacts pictures.
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Yea same goes for me. for some reason facebook sync work on both handcent and GO SMS pro. it loads into my stock messages fine though. but as for MMS coming in slow thats true to me too. for some reason it comes in individual at first then it incorporates it into the group text thread. its highly annoying and laggy. I guess there is no other way around it for now. ill have to accept the fact that i can at least have some type of group messaging working as of now. I really hope somebody fixes it though. GO SMS Pro has to convert every text message (picture or not) into a MMS to send. it sucks...
i have handcent installed but I use the stock application for everything else.. send, reply, read.. group text, receive group text as well.
I use go SMS and it works fine for me. I just wish there was a way to get the messages to still show up on the productivity lick screen.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
mgfjd said:
i have handcent installed but I use the stock application for everything else.. send, reply, read.. group text, receive group text as well.
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wait, the stock testing app your using is able to reply as a group text?
I also have the same issue with major lag in go sms
So lately I've been having some annoying SMS/MMS issues that are starting to grind my gears and I'm starting to feel a bit of resentment over the phone.
I've been getting complaints of iPhone users receiving my SMS twice. I'm seeing that when this happens, I get a "message failed" error in other SMS apps other than the stock SMS app, and then it sends right away. This problem can be recreated on both the stock SMS app and Play Store apps.
I'm also getting this extremely annoying problem with MMS where I can't receive files bigger than 600 KB. I get the error "One or more of the message components have been deleted by MMS Adaptation. Either the message was too large or the components were unsuitable for your terminal." This is happening on a message over 800 KB.
Has anyone experienced these issues? Is this carrier related? I refuse to believe that my phone will not receive 1 MB or bigger MMS messages, as I'm sure it's quite capable of doing.
Also, does anyone have the APN for HSPA+ without LTE? I'm thinking maybe the SMS problem has to do with the network I'm operating on. Please advise.
Edit: the MMS limitation is due to the stock SMS application. the limit for files received is 600 KB while other applications can download well over 1.2 MB. My problem is solved, I'll have to find another viable SMS application.
Look at my thread about similar issues with sms. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1656203
Sent from my AT&T HTC One X using XDA
dimgl said:
I've been getting complaints of iPhone users receiving my SMS twice. I'm seeing that when this happens, I get a "message failed" error in other SMS apps other than the stock SMS app, and then it sends right away. This problem can be recreated on both the stock SMS app and Play Store apps.
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Hi,
Did you fix this issue with the recipient received your SMS 2 times?
I am using the stock app and never tried any Play Store app.
For me this happen to an Android Phone too.
Maybe your phone heard you were gonna take her back and now she's mad and is refusing to talk
Sent from my HTC Edge
My phone is send *and* receiving duplicate SMSes from iPhones. Very annoying.
Used to have problems
I used to have mms problems, but ever since i flashed the CleanRom 2.4 on my phone, everything has been peachy keen
coming from a heavily jailbroken iphone, I can say that I do love rooting a whole lot more. I love how android operates and is so similar to linux
OP, not sure which app you were using, but I know ChompSMS was producing the exact results you were reporting.
1) Multiple messages sent / SMS Failed etc. This will show up in both Chomp and the stock app. (FIXED by latest Chomp update!)
2) MMS Adaptation. I have found that this is specifically when iPhone users send you a screengrab of their display. Those are saved in .png instead of .jpg and do not share the same compression rate. Obviously you could just have a really big .jpg, but most likely it is the former.
3) General MMS issues. This will occur if you do not disable "Auto-retrieve" in the stock Messages app.
I know it's a week later, but hopefully this saves you a headache or trips to the AT&T store.
I had completely forgotten about chomp. Thanks for reminding me. I started using it and while I still get messages not sending if I reply to a text from the pop up notification, it doesn't do it nearly as much as go sms. With go sms, the message not sending would happen one after another but not with chomp. And even though I don't like the sound, I've set chomp to make a sound after a successful sent message so at least I can tell if my message has sent without having to open the app.
Thanks again for mentioning chomp
Sent from my AT&T HTC One X using XDA
tekkneke said:
OP, not sure which app you were using, but I know ChompSMS was producing the exact results you were reporting.
1) Multiple messages sent / SMS Failed etc. This will show up in both Chomp and the stock app. (FIXED by latest Chomp update!)
2) MMS Adaptation. I have found that this is specifically when iPhone users send you a screengrab of their display. Those are saved in .png instead of .jpg and do not share the same compression rate. Obviously you could just have a really big .jpg, but most likely it is the former.
3) General MMS issues. This will occur if you do not disable "Auto-retrieve" in the stock Messages app.
I know it's a week later, but hopefully this saves you a headache or trips to the AT&T store.
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I was using stock messaging.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA
Does anyone know of any mod or ROM that will properly support group MMS in android as it is properly support on iPhone, WP7, and BlackBerry?
On the HTC One X the messages arrive properly but when I send a reply, it gets sent as an individual SMS. Interestingly, if I attach an image (thus forcing it to convert to MMS), it will reply-all correctly.
So I guess .... something has to be modified so that the OS knows to send as MMS (with text only) when responding to a group
Use goSMSPro or Handcent. Need to enable it in both.
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Use goSMSPro or Handcent. Need to enable it in both.
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I appreciate the suggestion. I dont want to put words int eh OPs mouth, but I think they were referring to a way to mod or update native software so that the native messages app works properly with MMS. for many people, using a 3rd party app for messaging is not preferable.
that said, there are threads running around XDA regarding installing the stock ICS messaging app. perhaps that would work properly with group messaging on HOX (I would assume but haven't tried).
The stock app doesn't work with group messaging either, to my knowledge but someone can correct me if I am wrong.
Moto BLUR software has this implemented in their messaging app. Don't think its that easy of a thing to do.
Basically the messages come in as MMS and they are grouped together by the software.
This is the worst if you came from an iPhone and have a lot of friends with iPhones. I get group texts daily so I had to download Go SMS. After enabling group texting in Go SMS the group messages are shown properly in the stock HTC messaging app, but I still need to use Go if I want to reply to the group texts.
Gtg you have a one x to? Awesome this is a good thing
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
I've also been wondering this too.. I just installed Go SMS Pro but I still can't seem to get it to function like the iPhone would where its all in one conversation sort of like an online chat room. Hmmm anyone else have any tips?
edit: all working smooth now so happy.
jiggytom said:
The stock app doesn't work with group messaging either, to my knowledge but someone can correct me if I am wrong.
Moto BLUR software has this implemented in their messaging app. Don't think its that easy of a thing to do.
Basically the messages come in as MMS and they are grouped together by the software.
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This is good to know, thanks. So this issue seems to be isolated as a flaw in ICS, then, correct?
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This is good to know, thanks. So this issue seems to be isolated as a flaw in ICS, then, correct?
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I wouldn't say its a "flaw", its just an unimplemented feature. Not sure why they never took the time to do it, it's pretty popular.
jiggytom said:
I wouldn't say its a "flaw", its just an unimplemented feature. Not sure why they never took the time to do it, it's pretty popular.
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Oh okay, thanks. I wasn't sure if it was a bug or just not developed. Seems very odd that they didnt implement group MMS.
gtg465x said:
This is the worst if you came from an iPhone and have a lot of friends with iPhones. I get group texts daily so I had to download Go SMS. After enabling group texting in Go SMS the group messages are shown properly in the stock HTC messaging app, but I still need to use Go if I want to reply to the group texts.
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Exactly this.
GoSMS is ok but is rather ugly, and crash-happy. What will happen is that a group message comes in, then gosms groups it into the threaded convo so I get 2 notifications for every 1 message. It's rather annoying. Handcent is even uglier.
I share your frustrations. I have tried ChompSMS since I used BiteSMS on the iPhone and it doesn't support MMS. I tried Handcent and the UI is cartoonish and it doesn't display contact photos correctly. The HTC messages app allows me to send a group MMS, but then I get individual replies back and it doesn't maintain the group.
Using at&ts message app and it does group txt, but you can't start one. It has to be sent to you first and from there it'll always reply to group
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gnabgibeht said:
Using at&ts message app and it does group txt, but you can't start one. It has to be sent to you first and from there it'll always reply to group
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
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The att messages app also butchers picture quality through mms. Send yourself one and see.
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Interestingly, if I attach an image (thus forcing it to convert to MMS), it will reply-all correctly.
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this. it's gotta be here. I hope the modders can figure a way of getting the phone to reply with an mms message, attachment free, when the message is sent within a group thread.
Bumping this thread.... anyway for a mod or an app that can force a text-only message to MMS when there are multiple recipients?? that's all I need :X
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This would be PERFECT, especially if this pref could be added to stock SMS/MMS application. No need for Handcent or GoSMS, which are both ugly and unwieldy, IMHO.
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Bumping this thread.... anyway for a mod or an app that can force a text-only message to MMS when there are multiple recipients?? that's all I need :X
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GO SMS group messages
GO SMS groups text messages like the iPhone does
Settings, Send settings, enable group MMS
dollypatel07 said:
GO SMS groups text messages like the iPhone does
Settings, Send settings, enable group MMS
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GO SMS will slow down to a snail's pace if you have consecutive group texts coming in (which happens frequently as people are using it to converse).
It's slow, it's rather ugly, AND it gives you TWO notifications for every one group text. It's seriously terrible. WP7, WP8, BlackBerry, iPhone, all properly support Group MMS. Even some featurephones do it correctly as well.
I swear this has to be some kind of crazy oversight from Google or some kind of weird political war where no one will address such a simple issue. I mean if Verizon and AT&T can make an app that corrects this, then what gives??
Native SMS retarded -- google wake up!
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GO SMS will slow down to a snail's pace if you have consecutive group texts coming in (which happens frequently as people are using it to converse).
It's slow, it's rather ugly, AND it gives you TWO notifications for every one group text. It's seriously terrible. WP7, WP8, BlackBerry, iPhone, all properly support Group MMS. Even some featurephones do it correctly as well.
I swear this has to be some kind of crazy oversight from Google or some kind of weird political war where no one will address such a simple issue. I mean if Verizon and AT&T can make an app that corrects this, then what gives??
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GO SMS is a NO GO as the OP has said. I agree Google is slacking here, or there has to be something else.
Is the raw code unavailable to developers to recompile and change the native text messaging application and it's MMS settings?
Anyone having issues with this? The verizon messaging app works great. except for the fact that if I want to share something I can't load up a current group chat like I can in Hangouts. and the app randomly shows a notification count on the lock screen that isn't accurate...
I didn't have these issues on my M7... I don't like the stock messaging app because its horrible with group MMS along with the fact that I haven't found another messaging app like Hangouts that lets you choose a current conversation when you click "share" on a picture or something. All the others make you type in the recipients, and going back to typing in 3-4 people every time I want to send something to the group isn't really a thing I want to do again....
I've read APN changes may help but I haven't been able to get any to actually stick around on the M8. open to ideas... kind of frustrating.
meest said:
Anyone having issues with this? The verizon messaging app works great. except for the fact that if I want to share something I can't load up a current group chat like I can in Hangouts. and the app randomly shows a notification count on the lock screen that isn't accurate...
I didn't have these issues on my M7... I don't like the stock messaging app because its horrible with group MMS along with the fact that I haven't found another messaging app like Hangouts that lets you choose a current conversation when you click "share" on a picture or something. All the others make you type in the recipients, and going back to typing in 3-4 people every time I want to send something to the group isn't really a thing I want to do again....
I've read APN changes may help but I haven't been able to get any to actually stick around on the M8. open to ideas... kind of frustrating.
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I think they're going to have to update the app for MMS to work properly. The same thing happened with the M7 when Hangouts originally launched.
Hey everyone. I finally escaped Verizon because the OnePlus was the reason for me to change carriers. I switched over to atnt and well yeah, it's atnt. Anyways, whenever I sent a ams, they have a 160 character limit. After that, it will split up my messages into however many parts and send them. With verizon, if the message was over 160 characters, it would automatically send it as an MMS which does not have a limit.
I use hangouts for my sms, but also tried handcent and the regular messenger and no option was available. I'll receive all messages no matter the length as a MMS, but when I send them to non atnt users, it will split them up. Any mods or anything that can fix this? I've done a little research and have seen some other phones get that feature. Not sure if this is something already being worked on or something.
Currently running CM 11 33R
Thanks in advance.
Anyone have any ideas? I'm able to send pictures or a location or well anything without a problem and it sends the MMS correctly, just won't convert multiple SMS's to a MMS. One person suggested adding a subject title to any sms and that will automatically convert it to a MMS, except that option isn't available in messaging or hangouts.
Try few different sms apps from play store and play with settings. I have nexus 5 and I can change settings in the app, I downloaded from Nexus 5 apps forum, its an old cm 4.2 app I believe
moldovanos said:
Try few different sms apps from play store and play with settings. I have nexus 5 and I can change settings in the app, I downloaded from Nexus 5 apps forum, its an old cm 4.2 app I believe
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Any specific apps in mind? Or any other ways around it you can think of? I prefer to use hangouts but I'm aware that I probably can't use it to fix my problem.
Textra or qksms should have it
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zephiK said:
Textra or qksms should have it
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Thank you for the suggestions. Tried Textra and it didn't work. It only gives an option to split long SMS messages. Tried the MMS messaging options as well and that didn't work either. Cannot find qksms in the play store though.
chaosmage123 said:
Thank you for the suggestions. Tried Textra and it didn't work. It only gives an option to split long SMS messages. Tried the MMS messaging options as well and that didn't work either. Cannot find qksms in the play store though.
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Its in Alpha, https://plus.google.com/communities/113548623434189541823 join the community and then beta opt in and then you'll find it.
I know for sure QKSMS has it but its still in Alpha.
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Its in Alpha, https://plus.google.com/communities/113548623434189541823 join the community and then beta opt in and then you'll find it.
I know for sure QKSMS has it but its still in Alpha.
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Awesome, requested to join. Will have to check it out for sure. Thank you very much, I appreciate it. I really hope this solves the problem.
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Its in Alpha, https://plus.google.com/communities/113548623434189541823 join the community and then beta opt in and then you'll find it.
I know for sure QKSMS has it but its still in Alpha.
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So tried QKSms and it still doesn't work. It literally has the options that I was looking for, either split a sms into multiple parts or convert a sms into a mms after x amount of parts and you can choose x. I tried doing 2-4 and neither worked. Took some screen shots I'm happy to share if interested. I've tried with different people on every other carrier as well. Any other ideas? Could it be my service in general?