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Hey man, before S-OFF, why we should do unlock bootloader via htcdev? (my hboot is 1.27.000)
What is the purpose to do that?
Can you explain this for me?
Thanks..
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio Z715e using xda premium
the first version of doing S-OFF requires htcdev unlock but the second one does not require
if you do not want to use htcdev unlock method for doing S-OFF method after see this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1661631
he was refering more to the purpose of HTC Dev unlocking i guess
this is what i found but it is outdated (2009) dunno whether something has changed or not, so maby some nerds can explain further for him
DigitalPioneer said:
OK, about sixteen million posts have been flying back and forth about what you can do with root, can't do, what S-OFF is, is not... So I'm going to try to clear it all up for you, OK?
ROOT means you have full control over the OS. From the OS, you can write to the recovery partition. Without root, the only way to write recovery is through hboot, which will only let you flash a custom recovery if you have S-OFF. But even with S-ON, you can write recovery from the OS if you have root. Then, with a custom recovery, you can write the hboot with an engineering bootloader, which has S-OFF. This way, you get S-OFF without a warranty-voiding watermark.
S-OFF means you can flash a custom recovery or ROM from hboot. Things you could already do with root, except that it's hard to get root while S-ON. But if you get it, you're set.
HTC says they'll ship an update which sets S-OFF, and then we're set, except their update will almost assuredly drop a watermark and void the warranty.
ANALOGY: Say the phone is a fortress, and you're trying to get in. S-ON means the gate is shut. If you root it with S-ON, you do it with an exploit, so you find a weak spot in the wall and pack it full of C4 and BOOM, you're in. S-OFF means they opened the gate from the inside, and you just walked in. Either way (S-OFF or root) you're in.
SUMMARY: With S-OFF, you get everything. With root, you get everything. End of story.
Final comment: rooting with S-ON means you used an exploit. Exploits are bad!! But HTC is forcing us to resort to such brutish, nasty means (blowing up walls to the fortress) because they locked the gate before selling us the place. We have a right to get inside, but they aren't opening the gate, so we have to get in some other way. Remember, if you can blow up the wall and walk in, a malicious program can do so too. Exploits are bad, and HTC should patch them. But let's get some legitimate use out of them first, ehhh?
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Okay, So I'm fairly new to all this. I've made several (unsuccessful) attempts at rooting my AT&T HOX, but I finally think I know where I went wrong.
In the past, I had tried unlocking the bootloader without having SuperCID access. (So yes, I currently have s-on..) Mainly due to the fact that I didn't know I needed sim access to root.
Because of these past issues, I have done the ATT OTA update.. From what I have read in other posts, correct me if I'm wrong, there is currently no way to gain SuperCID with the 5.18 update..
Other than waiting, is there any way I could go about rooting my phone? Is it possible to reset to factory settings, and go back to Original software?
Please help. Would eventually love to get rid of all the ATT and HTC crap on my phone.. (can't stand sense 5..)
Android version - 4.2.2
HTC Sense version - 5.0
Software number 5.18.502.1
Evita PUT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT - 2.18.0000
Radio - 1.35a.32.45.27
OpenDSP-v33.1.0.45.1128
eMMC-boot
Because you've taken the latest at&t update there is no way at all to get SuperCID so you can unlock your bootloader. You'll have to wait and see whether a dev deems it worth his time to find a crack, but I wouldn't hold your breathe if I was you. Probably should have done your research before taking the update.
Sent from my Evita
tsunami560 said:
Okay, So I'm fairly new to all this. I've made several (unsuccessful) attempts at rooting my AT&T HOX, but I finally think I know where I went wrong.
In the past, I had tried unlocking the bootloader without having SuperCID access. (So yes, I currently have s-on..) Mainly due to the fact that I didn't know I needed sim access to root.
Because of these past issues, I have done the ATT OTA update.. From what I have read in other posts, correct me if I'm wrong, there is currently no way to gain SuperCID with the 5.18 update..
Other than waiting, is there any way I could go about rooting my phone? Is it possible to reset to factory settings, and go back to Original software?
Please help. Would eventually love to get rid of all the ATT and HTC crap on my phone.. (can't stand sense 5..)
Android version - 4.2.2
HTC Sense version - 5.0
Software number 5.18.502.1
Evita PUT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT - 2.18.0000
Radio - 1.35a.32.45.27
OpenDSP-v33.1.0.45.1128
eMMC-boot
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1. I'm not are of a root for this new firmware (as Timmaaa has stated).
2. I'm not sure why you chose to get the OTA update if you can't stand HTC and Sense. Any time you grab an update from A&T, you're risking not being able to root
3. I recommend you purchase a Google phone and root/mod it as much as you want. No more HTC, No More ATT, No more Sense.
DanGeorges said:
1. I'm not are of a root for this new firmware (as Timmaaa has stated).
2. I'm not sure why you chose to get the OTA update if you can't stand HTC and Sense. Any time you grab an update from A&T, you're risking not being able to root
3. I recommend you purchase a Google phone and root/mod it as much as you want. No more HTC, No More ATT, No more Sense.
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Hey Dan,
Thanks for the reply. I got the OTA because I like new. I didn't really think about it when I did it, so yea, it was a dumb mistake on my part.
I only got HTC, because it was my introduction to Android. I now have a rooted N7, and I love it. I would also love to get an N5, however, it's a good chunk of money I don't have currently, which is why I will be rooting my HOX once a root is available.
So, is anyone aware of a way to roll back an OTA update? Or is my best bet waiting for a 5.18 exploit?
Like I said, there is absolutely no way for you to get root unless someone releases an exploit.
Sent from my Evita
tsunami560 said:
So, is anyone aware of a way to roll back an OTA update? Or is my best bet waiting for a 5.18 exploit?
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If such a thing were possible, than a new exploit would not be necessary, and we would have told you about it already.
You can't "rollback" or revert to previous Android versions unless already rooted, s-off, etc.
I'm having reception issues and would like to try the 5.18 update (with its included 1.35a.32.45.27_10.144.32.34a radio) but I require root (I read the thread here that says the WeakSauce Root works on the AT&T ONE X but am not sure about using an exploit that has to reroot on every boot, albeit automatic). Searching for rooting information for the latest AT&T 5.18 update, I came across this Chinese thread: Translated Chinese forum link. The OP includes the AT&T ROM, Chinese language pack file, Chinese APN file, and a root file. I can't read Chinese and there is much lost in the Google translation but from what I can tell this is the American AT&T 5.18 ROM, and at least one poster said the rooting worked.
My current setup is:
Ver: 4.1.1
ROM: 3.18.502.6.71ORD
HBOOT-2.14.0000
RADIO-0.24p.32.09.06
Bootloader unlocked, Super CID, S-OFF, rooted
Faked locked and S-ON status
1. My first and most important question is, being S-OFF with Super CID, If I update to 5.18 and I can't root it, can I still reflash with something else?
2. The root package (which I am attaching) is a zip. I assume after flashing 5.18 I'll have to flash a custom recovery by this means, "fastboot flash recovery recoveryfilename.img," correct?
3. I also assume the bootloader will be relocked and will need to be unlocked again. Can this be done by the normal method?
4. Will I need to Super CID again?
Thanks!
You're over thinking it. Since you are s-off, you can do almost anything, and not worry about having to root, SuperCID, unlock the bootloader, etc. again.
You also have several options:
a) Yes, you can run the 5.18 RUU if you like. I don't even think you have to relock the bootloader, since you are s-off. You will still be SuperCID and S-off after RUU. Although since RUU re-installs stock recovery, you will need to install TWRP again. At that point, you can always flash SU to root, and/or install custom ROMs.
b) If its just the radio you want to try, you can just install the 2.18 firmware: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2651052
This will keep your current ROM intact, but it might be your desire to update that anyway.
c) Just because a radio is newer, does not necessarily mean it will be "better" in your particular area. The "best" radio is often a trial and error exercise. Since you are s-off, you can flash any of the radios here to see if they yield any improvement: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1694012
Also, while a different radio may give some improvement, I won't expect any miracles. Might even find reception is worse.
@redpoint73
Thanks for the response, just what I was wanting to know... and yes, I often over think things. I"ll give 5.18 a try.
Also, the answers to your questions in blue font:
1. My first and most important question is, being S-OFF with Super CID, If I update to 5.18 and I can't root it, can I still reflash with something else?
Since you are s-off, you can still flash custom recovery, install custom ROMs, run older RUUs, etc. So there would be a variety of ways to revert, if you wanted to.
2. The root package (which I am attaching) is a zip. I assume after flashing 5.18 I'll have to flash a custom recovery by this means, "fastboot flash recovery recoveryfilename.img," correct?
If the intent of the method is to root a phone that was never bootloader unlocked (which is also the only reason you would ever need a new root exploit) then NO that doesn't make any sense. If the bootloader is locked, you can't flash custom recovery.
3. I also assume the bootloader will be relocked and will need to be unlocked again. Can this be done by the normal method?
With S-off, I don't believe you need to relock the bootloader to run the RUU.
4. Will I need to Super CID again?
No, you will still have SuperCID. This only gets changed if you do so deliberately. Same with S-off.
The above options are very good, but if you are interested in the weaksauce root method I can assure you it is very simple and hassle free. You won't even know its a "temp root" because it reroots on reboot instantly. The only downside, is that no custom roms or recoverys may be flashed to my knowledge. If this is a problem then I suggest using redpoint73's answer.
Also if you have luck, please let me know I would be interested and greatly thankful.
He doesn't need to root his device, he's already rooted. Did you not read the thread?
Sent from my Evita
moved to Q&A forum.
I did indeed read the thread, he was asking about the weaksauce root method so i was explaining it to him. Also, if he updates to 5.18 he will need to root (that is of course if he chooses RUU). Bringing me to my next question, did you in fact not read the thread?
FlubbedJohn said:
I did indeed read the thread, he was asking about the weaksauce root method so i was explaining it to him. Also, if he updates to 5.18 he will need to root (that is of course if he chooses RUU). Bringing me to my next question, did you in fact not read the thread?
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He's already S-OFF, he does not need any root exploits -_- he can just flash su.
I flashed the 5.18 RUU without issue and was still bootloarder unlocked. S-OFF, and Super CID but did lose my faked locked and S-ON status. I then flashed TWRP then booted to recovery and when I went to reboot, TWRP asked if I wanted to root so I selected, yes. Upon booting into the system it went straight to Google Play and downloaded and installed SuperSU as TWRP said it would--rooted.
I still had the same signal issue with 5.18 ROM so I tried flashing several older radios but still had the same problem. When I got the phone (used) it had 2.20 ROM. Signal was not as good as my SGS3 or Lumia 920 but at least I could get a couple of bars sitting 12' from my repeater ( 3-4 bars on the other phones, no signal in my house without the repeater). After flashing up to 3.18 ROM I could no longer get a signal in my chair, only if I set the phone inches from the repeater. Since the initial flashing to 3.18 if I step inside my local Walmart (before the registers) I will have 3 bars LTE but when I dial after a few seconds it will lose all signal and the call will fail. Outside with 3 bars it works fine. I'm at a loss.
FlubbedJohn said:
I did indeed read the thread, he was asking about the weaksauce root method so i was explaining it to him. Also, if he updates to 5.18 he will need to root (that is of course if he chooses RUU). Bringing me to my next question, did you in fact not read the thread?
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Even if he updates to 5.18 he will not need any root exploits. He is s-off so he can run any RUU he likes without having to relock his bootloader. This means all he needs to do is flash a custom recovery afterwards, and flash SuperSU or Superuser.
If you're going to give advice here on the forums, bring your knowledge up a bit so that you are able to give advice that is accurate and relevant. Giving the wrong advice will at the very least send another user on a wild goose chase doing things that are irrelevant (like weaksauce), and worst case scenario you could end up bricking someone's phone. I doubt you want that on your conscience.
Sent from my Evita
Pop45398 said:
I flashed the 5.18 RUU without issue and was still bootloarder unlocked. S-OFF, and Super CID but did lose my faked locked and S-ON status.
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That makes sense. I believe the spoofed BL lock and S-on are hacked hboot. The RUU replaces (overwrites) hboot.
Pop45398 said:
I still had the same signal issue with 5.18 ROM so I tried flashing several older radios but still had the same problem. When I got the phone (used) it had 2.20 ROM. Signal was not as good as my SGS3 or Lumia 920 but at least I could get a couple of bars sitting 12' from my repeater ( 3-4 bars on the other phones, no signal in my house without the repeater). After flashing up to 3.18 ROM I could no longer get a signal in my chair, only if I set the phone inches from the repeater. Since the initial flashing to 3.18 if I step inside my local Walmart (before the registers) I will have 3 bars LTE but when I dial after a few seconds it will lose all signal and the call will fail. Outside with 3 bars it works fine. I'm at a loss.
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Keep in mind that comparing signal "bars" between different phones means nothing. There is no standard to what the bars even represent. You can read the signal strength (dBm) in Settings>About>Network.
But if I understand properly, its not just a matter of the "bars" but actual reception (dropped calls, etc.). If it worked fine on the 2.20 setup, did you try the radio associated with 2.20 (radio 0.19as.32.09.11_2_10.105.32.25)?
Also keep in mind that certain buildings do not play well with phones at all. Big box stores can be particularly notorious for this. Not sure what combination of concrete, steel, etc. interferes with cell signal, but I often get zero signal in Target, IKEA, etc. At the climbing gym where I go every week (not a huge building, but steel beams with concrete face) none of my friends get any signal regardless of phone (my HOX, iPhones, all on AT&T) when we are inside. Then we will get a flood of SMS messages the minute we walk out the building!
timmaaa said:
Even if he updates to 5.18 he will not need any root exploits. He is s-off so he can run any RUU he likes without having to relock his bootloader. This means all he needs to do is flash a custom recovery afterwards, and flash SuperSU or Superuser.
If you're going to give advice here on the forums, bring your knowledge up a bit so that you are able to give advice that is accurate and relevant. Giving the wrong advice will at the very least send another user on a wild goose chase doing things that are irrelevant (like weaksauce), and worst case scenario you could end up bricking someone's phone. I doubt you want that on your conscience.
Sent from my Evita
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He was the one who was looking for the root method, I just delivered. He was looking for a way to root, I gave it to him. You can the rest to him.
Yes, that's correct. But as respoint had said prior to you first responding he didn't need a root method. Plus, it's our responsibility as people giving advice here to firstly know what we're talking about, and secondly to steer someone in the right direction if they're on the wrong track. Not to just provide incorrect information because that's what they think they need to do.
My statement from earlier still stands, if you want to help people on here you need to bring your knowledge up a bit first. I'm not trying to be harsh, the fact is that accuracy and relevancy are absolutely paramount on XDA, providing incorrect information is dangerous. Please don't take that the wrong way! You're new here so welcome to our forum
Sent from my Evita
FlubbedJohn said:
He was the one who was looking for the root method, I just delivered. He was looking for a way to root, I gave it to him. You can the rest to him.
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I agree with timmaaa on this. Its just my own opinion (but many others will likely agree) that any temp root solution (even one that re-temp roots with every boot) is inferior to a true permanent root. Especially when the temp root requires an app to be installed.
For the OPs particular case, WeakSauce looks to be more complicated (or at least more contrived) and less comprehensive solution than the s-off status and unlocked bootloader he already has. It probably would have made more sense to present the issue in a way such as: Yes, WeakSauce will work for temp root, but the other provided options are probably better choices.
Looking to buy a used M8. Is there anything to watch out for as far as software versions that s-off doesn't work or that to not have root yet?
You're new to HTC and you know what S-OFF means? You're farther along than I was when I got this phone.
The latest firmware version is 1.55.605.2 and that may or may not work with Firewater, the free S-OFF exploit. If it doesn't (and there's no telling until you try), you'll have to use SunShine, and that costs $25 (and there's no way around that price). Without S-OFF, best you can do is temp root that goes away when you reboot and may or may not come back (if it doesn't, you do it again). Naturally some stuff doesn't work with that. When you have S-OFF you can flash a custom recovery and then flash SuperSU for permanent root, or better yet you just flash a ROM.
There's about to be an update that will almost certainly break S-OFF, at least until SunShine catches up. I'm guessing Firewater won't be updated.
I saw there was custom kernels in the development boards, are these for retail or developer edition only? I understand that the bootloader is locked, so if these are for the retail edition, is flashing unsigned kernels a feature of having s-off?
By doing either the firewater or sunshine method will unlock your bootloader along with making your phone s-off so you will be good to go. The kernels in the Verizon m8 section will work only on the Verizon variant. You can check the main m8 section and look at their customers kernels. Normally they will list whether or not it works on a certain carrier. Just be careful in that forum considering its for all m8 variants so it is possible to download something that could brick your phone.
I tried firewater last night and it didn't work. I would try it first because it said it would work with what my phone had as in software. I ended up having to use sunshine and paying 25$
I have no issue paying. Right now I have a Note 3 that has nothing but Touchwiz roms. Great device but horrible Samsung software.
Dark Reality said:
You're new to HTC and you know what S-OFF means? You're farther along than I was when I got this phone.
The latest firmware version is 1.55.605.2 and that may or may not work with Firewater, the free S-OFF exploit. If it doesn't (and there's no telling until you try), you'll have to use SunShine, and that costs $25 (and there's no way around that price). Without S-OFF, best you can do is temp root that goes away when you reboot and may or may not come back (if it doesn't, you do it again). Naturally some stuff doesn't work with that. When you have S-OFF you can flash a custom recovery and then flash SuperSU for permanent root, or better yet you just flash a ROM.
There's about to be an update that will almost certainly break S-OFF, at least until SunShine catches up. I'm guessing Firewater won't be updated.
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If you don't mind me asking, which update is "almost certainly to break S-OFF" and how? Haven't heard anything about this and just wondering.
I'm not exactly sure. I'm running 1.55.605.2 and that's what came on my M8. Bought it on... June 14, I think. Or 16. Somewhere in there. No OTA's. Firewater worked fine for me. But some are saying that a future update (or this one, if you OTA'd from a previous) patches Firewater's exploit, and thus you have to use SunShine. That's about all I know about it.
so i managed to solve my recovery problem. i finally got twrp 2712 onto my device.
bootloader is unlocked
recovery on
superuser on..
hboot 2.15 s-on
i dont remember dealing with supercid when i rooted my old htc incredible.. from what im reading it allows us to use other carrier roms on the device?? im on tmobile and comfortable with that.. is modifying the CID actually necessary? im not planning on receiving any ota's n such.. just want the ability to flash radio's if need be and roms.. If i can skip CId and go to s-off that'd be fine with me, unless its needed for something else.. Will Ibe able to s-off without CID modified? cracking this ****er has been a little bit more difficult the past few phones ive had to do.. thanks much for the help..
As a noob, I installed CM 11 in February without s-off or super-cid (was too afraid to brick my phone). CM works great without s-off, but you need to flash boot.IMG on every update via fastboot.
I did s-off with rumrunner recently without Super-CID. Read my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56185478<br/>
so in moonshine i was getting nowhere.. i had no inclination that the Yes/No were case sensitive to be executed....
Currently in test 3, mhy 7th row of **********..