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Been using the bullet proof rom since I got this phone about 10 months ago, as much as I would like to switch to something better, I cant because it looks like almost every rom available is pre-alpha pre-beta, comes with a bunch of things not working, or has battery issues.
I know the Doubleshot isnt a popular phone, but this is really starting to suck. Seems to me that someone decides to build a new rom, makes a few updates over 2-3 months, then completely abandons the project due to getting a new phone. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Id love to have a cyanogenmod 7 mod, yet alone 9 for this phone, or even a stock ICS 4.04 rom, but it doesnt look like its ever going to happen with this phone. I think this will be the last HTC phone I buy, ive had 3 of them (one was WinMo 6.0) and none of them had official updates. All I can do now is watch people post a ROM, provide a few updates, then completely abandon the project.
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
Blue was kind enough to post system.img and boot.img from the latest ota ( links could be shot because of a goo crash ) and dsi made the dsixda kitchen that will cook them images into a rooted Stock ROM. The kitchen will need a file added to tools/edify_defs ( its a script that allows the kitchen to know the partition locations of your device ) because he dropped support a while ago, but it works great as a tool. So you could always start there and once you get some things under your belt you could jump in and lend a hand in this long term support you are seeking?
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I do think that people arrive at your conclusions due to three main reasons:
- The misunderstanding that developers are doing this for the users. ( some may, by far most are not)
- The user mentality of owning a smart phone. You want to have this device as long as you can, and get the most out of it.
Most devs see it another way. They want to stay on the cutting edge and try to break new ground. Regardless of how awesome a device is at launch, you are still looking at a limited window of time before it's old hat.
I think that more and more you will be seeing devs moving on more quickly due to the commercial success of the smart phone. Not just an expensive device for a few, anymore they are a dime a dozen for the many.
I've owned 3 doubleshots, still have two. Have an SGSIII, and am thinking about picking up one of the SGSIII international models.
...and that is fast becoming the M.O. of development. Squeeze out whatever learning you can until you benefit more from newer hardware.
Some devs will work on a device until it's about to or just starting to lose it's resale value so they can minimize the move forward.
- The third - and arguably most important reason - is the average user has no idea how much time, effort but most of all frustration goes into working on a device.
Especially for newer devs. For every one accomplishment, there are many, many failures. Failures that may have taken days of almost around the clock work. Failures that - in order to reach - took the place of spending time with friends, significant others or social gatherings. Giving up that day with your friends at the beach just to spend the whole time working on something that not only doesn't work, but even the parts of it you can salvage aren't useful.
This is what learning is like when you are the steward of your own education. You have to make sacrifices like ignoring your friends and family, cutting down on work hours, blowing off your girlfriend for a box with a screen.
Guess what - that whole graphics project for bulletproof that resulted in a 3 part tutorial? A 70 something hour bender where I walked away from the machine twice for less then ten minutes a pop for a quick bathroom break and to make some ramen noodles.
It was ramen noodles because I stopped working for a few months to learn android and build stuff for the doubleshot. Pennies can only be pinched so far.
...and I can't tell you how much I despise and hate actually doing graphics work. It makes me agitated and angry.
But ya know what? I did it to show what could be done and generate tutorials so other people could do it and free me to do other things, yet still enjoy the visual entertainment/enhancements the community would bring.
...and I was let down, in a big way. No one else really got into doing it. No one else invested the time to make graphical mods to. apk files we have or to sense. ( no slight to the very few of you that did)
You've had this phone for ten months, where are your roms, mods or graphical enhancements and stuff?
You argue that so few get involved - yet you do little to help.
This device was my first step into the dev ring. If I can be as successful at it - no reason you can't too. If you'd rather spend time doing other things, well, you never will learn to dev.
These kind of threads are disheartening. The community survives and thrives through your participation. By not pitching in to help, you are forcing the few that do to bear the weight of all forward development for the device.
Don't complain that we few are burnt out when you can't count yourself amongst us.
This division is one you highlight, while we try to eliminate. Come to our side and help out.
Bulletproof had over 2,000 downloads when I checked last back in march/april. No one used it as a springboard to build on?
At the end of the day...
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What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
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Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
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Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
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Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
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When I see a rom posted in the developers forum, if its based on ICS 4.0 or better, all I do is read the what works and what doesnt work section. For a long time it seemed almost every rom had problems with the SD card being used as a USB Flash drive (meaning I would have to disconnect the SDHC, connect to reader just to copy files). Now the problems tend to either be camera related (which I absolutely need) or battery issues in which it gets hot or drains faster.
So way early on, I was reading through pages upon pages of posts to see if problems get resolved (which often they dont unless they post another build), but now I just read the first page to get to the details (to see whats not working in the rom), then pass when there are too many things not working.
I kinda like the official update, because they tend to be stable.
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
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U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
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U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Yes thats the goal but if theyve released the rom with 1 or 2 problems then why should it be a problem. I use virtuous infinty and has 2 problems thats it. Dont quote me but i dont think there is a PERFECT ROM. Because again it is a rom not made by the company but our devs. And then again the roms our devs make have less serious problems than the ones companies have
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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EXACTLY. I'm not a dev but this is what I did not want to happen but seems like nobody can agree
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For those that haven't taken the time to READ to see what others are saying about how a ROM works......well there is no excuse for you and IMHO have no business saying a word about anything. If a person is so smart that they know how things SHOULD work but can't even figure out a few commands in ADB & how to make it work then you're getting things backasswards. Just download it, evaluate it and if you don't expend the friggin' TIME to read then just STFU!
What you're showing is ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for the vast amounts of time and effort these developers have sat at home alone into the wee hours of the morning LEARNING by trial & error and collaboration among themselves for their OWN betterment. NOT FOR OURS!!! We are ALL damn lucky that they see fit to share ANYTHING with ANY of us and ask for nothing more that a little honest feedback and an occasional THANK YOU!
now....off my friggin' soapbox
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lower your rom standards?
there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
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We shouldn't be asking unless we can help in some way, shape or form. As you said, all the devs are doing what they can though we may not be aware of it. Look at how much time Blue put in Bulletproof alone. Kudos Blue!!!
If you want a ROM with no known issues, it exists! Go back to STOCK! LoL One of each ROM that's fully working will not happen because of the reasons that Blue listed and I agree with him completely. And the term "lower your ROM standards" is very fitting to me. It doesn't mean settle for less, but more so just pick the ROM that best suits you. They are there.
My DD right now is MikXE for various reasons and I've never had a single problem with it...at all. I don't use WiFi tethering or WiFi calling but those are features important to some(now I'd LOVE for just 1 feature to be added to it *cough* screenoffmusiccontrol Strapped *cough* LoL), but if it doesn't I'm not going to die. Already perfect in my eyes and I love it the way it is! And Blue's Bulletproof is flawless, everything works!
If a person doesn't like reading then XDA isn't the place to be. Sometimes within the thread there are tips shown that will fix some issues within the ROM that one might not know existed without reading. Then, in other threads there are ways to tweak things to get certain features working in the ROM that may show as not working in the OP...sometimes! Either way, if we want EVERY single feature on the phone working (Even the ones we don't use?) then Stock/Bulletproof is the only way to go. Otherwise, just get a new phone...?
Makes no sense feeling we deserve better for our phones when we have better, but just not up to "our standards". What the devs do...is FREE! As Strapped mentioned, if we had none of these ROMs/Threads, what would we do then? I for one sure as hell don't want to find out!
WELL SAID!!!!
Threads like this sincerely make me sick. I'm an end user ONLY for lack of a viable machine to build on... Somehow i figure building roms on the device isn't feasible (haha!) But my first reaction to this thread was "don't flame the guy don't flame the guy."
These developers have taken what some people get paid to do and enhanced it to almost an art form where they are singularly doing the job that entire DEVELOPMENT teams get paid to do for MONTHS at a time and you have a developer like XMC working on 4 roms at a time AND a kernel and whatever else AND a real job and school or whatever. Seriously if they aren't doing enough for you then code your own dream rom or run miktouch (which ran off stock kernel PERFECTLY for me for the first three months I was rooted).
Besides... What is stable for me might not be for you, or for any of the other end users here. I've ran MikXE, Vanillabean, MikMIUI, CM9 alphas 2-6, Paranoid Android and am currently running Virtuous Infinity alpha 2. ALL have been more than stable enough to function for me with a few quirks... Given i don't depend on Wifi as much as some, but still. Everyone makes a huge deal out of 1080 camcorder but seriously on this screen nobody can tell a resolution difference. I needed gps to work well and calling to work... I was a pizza delivery guy so that was what I needed to be stable.
Seriously to the OP - IF you aren't brave enough to try roms and see what works for you (seeing as how i've had ZERO of the reported bugs i've seen on most of the roms i have run) then stfu and do us all a favor and go back to stock or get a nexus and have a good time. There you can have 50 versions of everything you could ever want to ***** about. OR become a viable member of this great team and contribute. Help test the roms because stability is only a NAND away.
*steps off my soapbox*
And to answer the subject question:
There are plenty of stable roms to choose from. Most every rom here can be used as a daily driver... It just comes down to what YOU can live with as far as bugs go... After all stock had that battery getting really hot "bug" didn't it?
Wifi disconnecting with screen off without an app seems so inconsequential compared to a bug that can fry your device, right? Lets not forget that i've been testing roms and kernels that might've fried my device with only a G1 as a backup LOL.
Oh yeah... And in case you guys missed it...
TBalden, Kornyone, XMC-Wildchild,Strapped365, Sun_Dream, Blue and the rest... You guys kick ass. Let me know if you're ever in Bama and i'll buy you all a beer or several. And... Welcome riyal as well! You have taken my doubleshot from stock hell to the ecstasy that is whatever os i feel like running at any given time.
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Well to tell all the ICS ROMs around here should have been stable already only if we were given ICS updates. Problem is we were not and developers recycle CM source code or ROMs from other HTC devices praying that most of them would work to bring up ICS on our device. Ok that's fine but there are propriety files still missing or incompatible drivers which makes the bugs. Unless some dev would put his life in reverse engineering the missing drivers and stuffs we wouldn't be expecting any stable ICS ROMs here.
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what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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You have started contributing - that kernel in the virtuous beta post is a contribution - see you HAVE provided dev type stuff...
Or would you prefer to be unincluded LOL?
And welcome btw!
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I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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jesusjv95 said:
I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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onebornoflight said:
Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Its fixed in the latest alphas, should also be fixed in the latest "stable". But run alpha 5 its the most stable. Overall
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Does anybody have a more specific eta for the update? HTC said it would be this month but it is almost over. Somebody enlighten me with anything?
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Well I unfortunately cannot enlighten you although I can say that month estimate would be for the international (Tegra). One X and for what I know it might be Christmas before AT&T or some other carrier releases jelly bean for the HTC One XL
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Thanks very much ;D still a great device
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ttinjust96 said:
Thanks very much ;D still a great device
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great device made by a joke of a company who clearly doesn't give a rats arse about keeping current customers
bloodrain954 said:
great device made by a joke of a company who clearly doesn't give a rats arse about keeping current customers
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Wow dude, you can help yourself can you?
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That's why there are developers and custom roms
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bloodrain954 said:
great device made by a joke of a company who clearly doesn't give a rats arse about keeping current customers
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You're free to switch to a different OEM, no one is stopping you... For the rest of us, we're more than happy to use custom ROMs, they're usually much better than any OEM's updates anyways.
d3v14n7 said:
You're free to switch to a different OEM, no one is stopping you... For the rest of us, we're more than happy to use custom ROMs, they're usually much better than any OEM's updates anyways.
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Just a side note, without official updates the amount of features working on custom ROMs starts to decline.
Mister J said:
Just a side note, without official updates the amount of features working on custom ROMs starts to decline.
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Just out of honest curiosity, why is that?
Mister J said:
Just a side note, without official updates the amount of features working on custom ROMs starts to decline.
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Not quite true, for some devices the lack of update promotes devs to produce some great unique roms. Port updated versions of android to a device that would otherwise never receive it
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fungied.cheese said:
Just out of honest curiosity, why is that?
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One factor is by that time most devs have probably moved onwards to more current devices.
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fungied.cheese said:
Just out of honest curiosity, why is that?
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They can use the official updates as a base and then make their ROM from there. The official updates contain all the drivers and features and its easy to build up. Making ROMs from scratch is difficult to say the least.
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Just a side note, without official updates the amount of features working on custom ROMs starts to decline.
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Not quite... Having the OEM's official update makes creating custom ROMs MUCH easier, sure. But being easier doesn't make them better, in fact, its quite the opposite... The better custom ROMs come from being built off of the AOSP source, not from the OEM's source. ROMs built from the OEM's source will still have many of the official ROM's inherent flaws, which kinda defeats the purpose of custom ROMs to begin with (and the main reason why I haven't flashed anything onto my One X yet)... Then we have porting ROMs from other devices which is one of the main reasons why you see ROMs with missing features such as cameras, WiFi and so on, along with other bloat and garbage files/drivers that aren't needed for the device it's being ported onto, but may cause issues if removed completely whether its used or not.
The problem devs are facing now is that they're spread too thin throughout hundreds of devices, back in the HTC Dream/Tmobile G1 days, building ROMs from the AOSP source wasn't a problem because they were all working on the same device, and could pool their resources to turn out MUCH better, faster and stable ROMs at a MUCH faster pace... Today, that's seemingly impossible since there are so many great devices out there (and more being released every few months), not to mention the competition between devs for recognition and donations, which isn't good for the community as a whole... Devs simply cannot keep up, so instead of building off of AOSP (which takes longer), most of them build off of the official updated ROMs or ROMs ported from other devices to make things easier and have a faster turn around time. Not to mention there are many "devs" (and I use this term lightly) out there who simply copy and paste code around, add a few things here and there, add a launcher and theme, slap their name on it, call it a finished ROM and then ask for donations for all their "hard work" (again, using this term lightly), when in fact, all the hard work was already done by other devs... Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the work devs do for basically nothing in return, and have donated to many who deserved it, without them, we'd be at the mercy of OEMs, which is never a good thing (see iOS), but there's only so much they can do on their own, and with so many handsets on the market, it's very difficult to stay focused on a single handset for more than 6-8 months...
I Concur...
bloodrain954 said:
great device made by a joke of a company who clearly doesn't give a rats arse about keeping current customers
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After three HTC phones and seeing this same pattern, I will not be buying another HTC phone. I know AT&T is to blame too, but HTC was committed to build quality and dedication to less devices and more support. I haven't seen it to my level of satisfaction. Maybe I'm on the wrong carrier, I don't know...
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After three HTC phones and seeing this same pattern, I will not be buying another HTC phone. I know AT&T is to blame too, but HTC was committed to build quality and dedication to less devices and more support. I haven't seen it to my level of satisfaction. Maybe I'm on the wrong carrier, I don't know...
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Unless you get a nexus device then anywhere else you go this will be normal
Not directed at you.
We are in a forum about rooting and flashing custom ROMs, not about whining when will a release for new software come out forum.
So I suggest to start flashing custom ROMs and stop talking about this.
It will get released when it gets released, and no amount of anyone bashing carriers or whining will make it come sooner.
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Not quite true, for some devices the lack of update promotes devs to produce some great unique roms. Port updated versions of android to a device that would otherwise never receive it
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Exactly this. I came from the HTC Aria, who's last official update was 2.2. Currently, there are community built ICS and JB builds that are ~99% complete in terms of functionality.
I upgraded yesterday to the HTC OneX+ and it has the updated software that OneX will probably get soon and if I knew how to root this sucker and pull the RUU off I would be more than happy to oblige. Anyone familiar with this process can chime in and help pull it from my phone because it really is nice especially the custom options in stock.
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Unless you get a nexus device then anywhere else you go this will be normal
Not directed at you.
We are in a forum about rooting and flashing custom ROMs, not about whining when will a release for new software come out forum.
So I suggest to start flashing custom ROMs and stop talking about this.
It will get released when it gets released, and no amount of anyone bashing carriers or whining will make it come sooner.
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It's cool, I know what you are saying. I'm very grateful this community exists, and for brilliant developers that feed my addiction of flashing roms.
It's places like this that fill the gap between an OEM's product and our expectations.
olorolo said:
I upgraded yesterday to the HTC OneX+ and it has the updated software that OneX will probably get soon and if I knew how to root this sucker and pull the RUU off I would be more than happy to oblige. Anyone familiar with this process can chime in and help pull it from my phone because it really is nice especially the custom options in stock.
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It would be useless for you to do so, it has a completely different processor. And since we are due for an update soon our devs are just going to wait until its released to make a custom rom
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So, i opened this therad because there no persons pushing and Developing custom AOSP Roms for the Galaxy Tab 3.
I'm opening it here because the Android Developing forum is a bit AFK.
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Why we are not using the Android x86 source, put a little bit from samsung open source and Tab 3 binaries it, and compile it?
Its so hard?
We are the xda-developers, we can do it!
Curious..
superboom said:
Also, my first question is,
Why we are not using the Android x86 source, put a little bit from samsung open source and Tab 3 binaries it, and compile it?
Its so hard?
We are the xda-developers, we can do it!
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Yes, I'm asking myself the same, the Galaxy Tab 3 is such a famous device and out since July, but still there are nearly no ROMs out. Are there any ROMs planned or will this device soon be moved to the low activity section? CyanogenMod officially supported the Galaxy tab and the galaxy tab 2, but it doesn't seem like they are planning to support the galaxy tab 3?
Is there a special reason for that?, I'm just wondering?
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Yes, I'm asking myself the same, the Galaxy Tab 3 is such a famous device and out since July, but still there are nearly no ROMs out. Are there any ROMs planned or will this device soon be moved to the low activity section? CyanogenMod officially supported the Galaxy tab and the galaxy tab 2, but it doesn't seem like they are planning to support the galaxy tab 3?
Is there a special reason for that?, I'm just wondering?
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you know why we need developers who want to put some time in this device and at the moment we don't have much dev's around here so wait...
Willing to get my hands dirty...
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you know why we need developers who want to put some time in this device and at the moment we don't have much dev's around here so wait...
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The most device development I've done to date has been a simple android app, but I'm willing to get dirty on this one. I just came into possession of one of these devices over xmas, and I never let a good device go to waste. I do have 17 years of programming experience in multiple languages including C++ and Java, and a lot of web-based languages, so I'm hoping to come up to speed relatively quickly.
I'll poke around here and on the net over the next few days and see if I can teach myself, but if someone could point me in the direction of some quick start tutorials for building custom roms, I'll get started.
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AnthonyAlmighty said:
The most device development I've done to date has been a simple android app, but I'm willing to get dirty on this one. I just came into possession of one of these devices over xmas, and I never let a good device go to waste. I do have 17 years of programming experience in multiple languages including C++ and Java, and a lot of web-based languages, so I'm hoping to come up to speed relatively quickly.
I'll poke around here and on the net over the next few days and see if I can teach myself, but if someone could point me in the direction of some quick start tutorials for building custom roms, I'll get started.
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Anthony, I think one thing that is holding people back on this device is a good recovery. The ones available now are painfully slow. I'm guessing there is some power saving mode on the x86 chip that needs to be tweaked to get it performing well. Once that was fixed, it would be a lot easier to experiment with ROMs. -- Bud
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Anthony and all, hi and hello. Thinking of shaking the rust off, as I also just came into possession of a GTab3, 10.1 inch, over this holiday season. I haven't built anything in a long time, but anyone who ran a Vibrant a couple years ago around here, should recognize my handle. I maintained a rom for the Vibrant for quite a while, from Froyo to ICS, then life got busy.
Popping into here today, I'm kinda sad to see there's not much if any in the way of development on this device. Happy to have root, thats a start. cduced was right, we do need a better recovery option, at least one that is faster, though what we have now is workable. TWRP may be slow, but it's something. We were always hung up on doing pure aosp source build for the Vibrant, because Sammy is not known for making their kernel source easily and readily available. Working from an existing zip to kang it is easy, but really thats just the same rom, maybe stripped and repackaged. A source build is the desirable outcome.
Though I haven't begun looking into things for this baby yet, and my adb and build tools are far out of date, I am very interested in working towards a better set of options for this device. 4.2.2 still? I can't believe Sammy hasn't released a 4.3 update, that's sad, but goes to show the lack of support they give their devices, to anyone who's been there you know, but you also know, determined devs can make it a better world.
Anthony, and anyone else interested in trying to improve this device, feel free to PM me, I'm thinkin' we should make a Google Hangout or something, make it easier to communicate.
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Anthony and all, hi and hello. Thinking of shaking the rust off, as I also just came into possession of a GTab3, 10.1 inch, over this holiday season. I haven't built anything in a long time, but anyone who ran a Vibrant a couple years ago around here, should recognize my handle. I maintained a rom for the Vibrant for quite a while, from Froyo to ICS, then life got busy.
Popping into here today, I'm kinda sad to see there's not much if any in the way of development on this device. Happy to have root, thats a start. cduced was right, we do need a better recovery option, at least one that is faster, though what we have now is workable. TWRP may be slow, but it's something. We were always hung up on doing pure aosp source build for the Vibrant, because Sammy is not known for making their kernel source easily and readily available. Working from an existing zip to kang it is easy, but really thats just the same rom, maybe stripped and repackaged. A source build is the desirable outcome.
Though I haven't begun looking into things for this baby yet, and my adb and build tools are far out of date, I am very interested in working towards a better set of options for this device. 4.2.2 still? I can't believe Sammy hasn't released a 4.3 update, that's sad, but goes to show the lack of support they give their devices, to anyone who's been there you know, but you also know, determined devs can make it a better world.
Anthony, and anyone else interested in trying to improve this device, feel free to PM me, I'm thinkin' we should make a Google Hangout or something, make it easier to communicate.
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Hey I want aosp on this device too! At the very least, id like a custom kernel that I can overclock to reduce lag. Ive never created a rom, but I dont think roms are the issue...id be interested in porting roms that already exists...x-note for multiwindow features, or pac-rom for a highly customized device.
Are you still up for the projects? Lets heat these forums up!!!
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Hey I want aosp on this device too! At the very least, id like a custom kernel that I can overclock to reduce lag. Ive never created a rom, but I dont think roms are the issue...id be interested in porting roms that already exists...x-note for multiwindow features, or pac-rom for a highly customized device.
Are you still up for the projects? Lets heat these forums up!!!
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Thanks guys for give it a try, I'm like the other owner don't understand why there is no interest for this devise didn't check before buy and now start to regret
Meteore said:
Thanks guys for give it a try, I'm like the other owner don't understand why there is no interest for this devise didn't check before buy and now start to regret
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There are some devs now they just relesed 2 but there tw based there trying it just takes awile because of lack of devs.
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There are some devs now they just relesed 2 but there tw based there trying it just takes awile because of lack of devs.
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It's ok I have already seen and tried them :laugh:. I understand the concept of work on something new and the lack of dev it's just that I was surprised because I thought tab 3 was like the others tabs so the development was more evolve.no problem.
Not to knock it, but whats been released in the threads, is nothing more than the deodexed build already up there, with some bloat removed. Even the install scripts have, or had, the same text as the original. So really, nothing new. I am looking into possibly kernel cooking for this device, that seems like a good point to start.
No promises at this point, I'm looking into it though.
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Not to knock it, but whats been released in the threads, is nothing more than the deodexed build already up there, with some bloat removed. Even the install scripts have, or had, the same text as the original. So really, nothing new. I am looking into possibly kernel cooking for this device, that seems like a good point to start.
No promises at this point, I'm looking into it though.
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This is true but there is finally a bit of interest and may come up with some new goodies..... the reason they all have the same updater.script is because of the recoveries.... they need a little more work to get them to work with the x86 architecture
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Br1cK'd said:
Not to knock it, but whats been released in the threads, is nothing more than the deodexed build already up there, with some bloat removed. Even the install scripts have, or had, the same text as the original. So really, nothing new. I am looking into possibly kernel cooking for this device, that seems like a good point to start.
No promises at this point, I'm looking into it though.
Truth, Zen4 Style
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Hey PM me with any test builds of the kernels please.
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I think someone has to pm restl3ss!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49126542&postcount=90
Let's see what can we do here!
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I think someone has to pm restl3ss!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49126542&postcount=90
Let's see what can we do here!
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Dont understand your post.... the link goes to one of his posts
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Because in this post (if i'm not wrong) he tells that is making a recovery with 4 guys more.
something needed here xD.
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Calcu said:
Because in this post (if i'm not wrong) he tells that is making a recovery with 4 guys more.
something needed here xD.
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Lol.... I see yeah... I am also in the process of building recovery but its a long time coming. Right now im reading a lot of material on how to build from source as that the route of the prob. Its this damb x86 architecture
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Maybe.... we can port something from here
http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/06/micromax/
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If anyone have time, pm me and we can discuss about. I'm not a developer, but we can discuss ideas how to bring cm to the device
So let me start off by saying, I am by no means a seasoned developer, just somewhat of a power user with a long time love for Motorola devices... Somebody has to root for the under dog, right? In any case, I want to sink my teeth into getting something custom running on the beloved Xoom 2.
To me it seems like it wouldn't be all that difficult now -- after all, we seem to have all the prerequisites for a custom ROM -- we've got root, we have a functioning bootstrap system, there are fastboot files available in case of a stuff up... The only thing we don't have is developer interest. To me that is really disappointing, in my personal opinion the Xoom 2 is a great device that could truly shine with a little bit of attention.
At the very least, I'd like to get CM10 running, after all, the MZ617 got an OTA update to JB, so the majority of the porting work is done... As far as I can tell, the only difference between my device (MZ616) and the 7 is lack of 4G and CDMA radios in the 616. In fact I see no reason that the OTA shouldn't work on a 616, however I don't want to run that risk and would much rather work on something truly custom that can be run in a ROM Slot and worked on, with the stock system there to fall back on in case of disaster.
Given that this hasn't happened already, I would wager that there are very few, if any, developers out there with these devices so I have a feeling I'm going to be undertaking this project on my own. That's fine, but this is mostly new territory for me and I don't even know if I'll succeed. I realise there are most likely threads related to topics like this already, but none that I could find dated past 2012...
I don't want to over hype this or give anybody false hope. Chances are, this won't work... But from what I can see, all the foundations are there for a solid custom build, there's just been nobody with the necessary skills to do the work. Hell, I'm not even sure I have the necessary skills, I've only ever ported a themed ROM which is nowhere near as much work as this.
The reason for my posting this thread is to gauge community interest in something like this. Personally, I'd love to see it done because I tend to not use my Xoom 2 because of it's old and inefficient software (does anybody else find 4.0.4 laggy and horrible?). I would benefit from this and it would breathe new life into my device... However, if there are others interested it might provide some extra motivation to get stuck into it. Alternatively, if anybody feels they have any talents or skills to add to this project then by all means, you're welcome to apply your talents. I'm going to look into using Git for this once I determine the best software to fork and work on.
N.B. Also, if anybody knows of an active mirror with the "Blur_version.0.268.4.MZ616.Retail.en.AU" fastboot file that I could get a hold of, I'd appreciate having some kind of fall back in case I brick my device attempting this!
I'd love to see KitKat on the Xoom2. Currently using the Verizon JB firmware and it's OK but a bit buggy, not sure if its this bad on a genuine Verizon device. If I could help I would but I'm an end user/noon so you might waste more time explaining stuff to me than the time I could save.
http://sbf.droid-developers.org/phone.php?device=23
Here are all the firmwares available but I couldn't find yours.
An Asian modder got the MZ617 to get the jelly bean update from the USA Droid models and I made the guide for the Xoom2/Xyboard 8.2 to get that update.
So we already have Jelly Bean, we have root, and we can use SafeStrap.
All we need is a custom rom.
I have the MZ615 EU and I am very interested in this project. I'm not a dev either but am will to help out in anyway I can, testing, promoting and so on. I am currently desperate for an upgrade from 4.0.4, probably lucky to have even got that from Moto I know but it is quite heavy compared to JB and KK. Delighted I found this thread and best of luck with the project.
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If there's a version of yours sold in America by Verizon wireless you may be able to put jellybean on it but my advice would be to not bother, it becomes laggy and horrible after a few weeks use so you just end up clearing data and going from scratch rather to often. KitKat with its low memory demands would be spot on.
Yeah, KitKat would be incredible to get if we can. My Xoom2 is in mint condition and still feel relatively new to me, I really don't want to replace it.
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I'm thinking about using RAZR kexec and try something on this, tho I don't have time, and my resources are low, will be just a favor I'll try to do to a friend who have one and asked me what can I do to get kk on it. No promises, but I'll see what I can get from other devs I know of around.
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I am also interested in this project. Xoom 2 is a beatiful device, too bad Motorola keeps a locked bootloader, but Safestrap is there.
Also, some of the sources are released online by Motorola.
So, did anyone manage to get anywhere with this?
I would love to see Cyanogenmod brought to the Xoom 2. CM13 runs great on my old Galaxy S3 which is almost the same age as the Xoom 2. It's a real shame nobody seems interested in porting it.
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Usually, the custom ROM's are availabe before a phone hits the market. I'm surprised that no ROM is available for this phone. Something against it?
You should start making one then.
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Check out R.D.D.T/R.O.D.T. And also "The Governaa'" kernel to go with em' (made by the same Dev @sleshepic). It's very debloated and I'm getting insane battery.
Also FYI- Follow THIS THREAD and you will be able to flash Sprint compatible International ROMs! So far everything is working EXCEPT sending SMS and data which is obviously a deal breaker for mostly everyone. There are 2 Sprint compatible International ROMs so far: Xtre StoLite and Shohat.
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Usually, the custom ROM's are availabe before a phone hits the market. I'm surprised that no ROM is available for this phone. Something against it?
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Currently working with some guys from international ROMs to get them working with ours as well. They have some avaliable to try but SMS sending is not wroking (but MMS is). Still WIP but check out my index thread for links. They will come as more developers come in time, some are waiting for upgrades to come up before we start seeing some. Also, cyanogenmod got their ROM on sprint variant as well, see Google plus post yesterday. All in good time will they come.
Talking with some guys about CM; hoping to get some vendor and device files soon and will start trying to get builds going ASAP. Looking to build CM, Beanstalk, and CandyKat soon......it is most definitely in the works....
Want to start a Project Rookie IV as soon as building commences....here are Project Rookie III, II, and I if you want to see what I'm talking about:
III: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2476698
II: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2292018
I: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1798056
As you will probably notice, there was very little interest in building for themselves among the M7SPR and LGOG crowds. Guess the majority of users want to have their ROMs spoon-fed to em. I started PR I almost 2 years ago and it has gone through two OP maintainers(including myself) and is still going. Amazing to think that the skyrocket has that many users willing to build for themselves. Hopefully, there are more users out there in this forum who would like to work on building; it'd be nice to have a lot of development for this device.
More Devs are coming our way!!! Read Revelation Omega's DL booster thread!
Sorry bro they are waiting on the QHD version. Lol
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Soon as the guide for s5 comes around I would like to stay trying out the build. Now a question. ... is there a virtual machine ran while building. I have some experience in Linux but it had been 5 or so years. If you have some good goes to start reading up please pm me. I have been flashing since Evo 4g. Then 4glte then galaxy 2 3 and now waiting on 5. Wouldn't mind helping out. I'm a quick study
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