[Q] Is the Nexus 5 still a solid buy? - Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I was hoping for a 5,2 inch Nexus 6, but since that didn't happen I'm looking at a Nexus 5. Is it still a good phone? The 32gb version is about $480 from the playstore where I'm at. My HTC One Mini started to feel old 6 months ago.

I just asked that in the big thread. It seems so, but in the UK the 32GB version is out of stock on the play store so I might do an eBay job.

The store itself doesn't matter to me, but I want the 32gb and it's harder to get outside the playstore in Sweden.

I just got mine 3 days back. I had been using a Xperia Z, Galaxy S4 before. Though the S4 takes marginally better pictures than N5, the software and responsiveness and the developer support on the N5 is just incredible. This was one of the main reasons for me to get the N5.

Yeah it is still worth it, the camera is just fine as it is (still deliver high quality of picture) and i can do 4-5 hours SOT on battery.
You have to consider the fact that, nexus 5 is not only a 2013 phone but more like 2014 phone because most 2014 android flagships has the same snapdragon 801 cpu architecture as 800 cpu, other than just a mior changes added in 801.
Nexus 5 is a future proof phone, will last for many years to come

inferol said:
Yeah it is still worth it, the camera is just fine as it is (still deliver high quality of picture) and i can do 4-5 hours SOT on battery.
You have to consider the fact that, nexus 5 is not only a 2013 phone but more like 2014 phone because most 2014 android flagships has the same snapdragon 801 cpu architecture as 800 cpu, other than just a mior changes added in 801.
Nexus 5 is a future proof phone, will last for many years to come
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The thing I liked about my Nexus 4 was the feeling that someone actually cared about my experience, and really wanted to improve it for me. I've never had that with any other phone.
Just ordered a 32gb Nexus 5, looking forward to Android L-based PA. Oh, the sexiness.

Good choice.. I would suggest you unlock your boot loader, root your Nexus, flash the dalvic and bionic mods, camcorder fix and your good to go!

Rock solid if you prefer its spec's!

Of course its still a solid buy. It is off contract for $349 USD, you cannot beat that given hardware and software.

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I am looking for a phone with high-quality screen for games,videos,movies who running things quickly.
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You should also specify your budget as that has everything to say
Nexus 6, one plus one...
Note 4. It has the best screen and hardware on the market.
Or the Note 3 if your budget isn't that big.
The Nexus 6 is useless for Multimedia use. 4 HD films & 2 games and you're out of memory. No MicroSD slot, and not every country (read: no country) has 100% 4G or Wifi coverage.
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Any good phone right now would be a 1st Generation Moto X, an LG G2 or a Nexus 5. But that's for a midrange budget. It varies from 249-450? I think. A high end budget would be to grab a Nexus 6, Moto X 2nd Gen or an HTC One M8. I push away from Smasung because there devices seem all them same with new gimmicks that don't work 99% of the time. And for god sakes TouchWiz. Most (I said most) can stand HTC Sense and LG Optimus Skins.
Any high end device of the 2014 model year averages between a 5.0in display and 6.0in display, ranging from HD to qHD. The RAM is in between 2-3GB of it, so Multitasking is good. Storage is different. Most phones will be a bare minimum at 16GB or even 8GB. Try to get 32GB or 64GB if budget allows. Battery life....well no phone will give more than one-day performance with average use (excluding Motorola Droid Turbo, that things awesome at battery life). Software wise, every new flagship 2014 phone runs on Android 4.4.x KitKat or even Android Lollipop 5.0.x (even the midrange device listed are at the latest operating system) I think I covered what's important and what you might be looking for. Thanks for reading and hope you like what phone you get!
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Nexus 6, one plus one...
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LG G3 is great, but i feel the 1+1 Would be hard to get hold off unless you get it from an external website. Unless you get n invite to buy a one plus one then that would be great
Nexus 5
Note 3 all. The way
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wowas said:
I am looking for a phone with high-quality screen for games,videos,movies who running things quickly.
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Give priority to screen with PPI's and screen brightness.
I would of Note 4.
Note 4 for me :good:
Nexus5, Note3, Z3, G3, M8, etc...

LG G Flex 2 Overheating

Phone seems to overheat quickly. Is there a remedy for this?
KendiJ said:
Phone seems to overheat quickly. Is there a remedy for this?
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Yes, the remedy is: return it and get a different one because your chip is garbage. My phone stays cool.
Hope this helps.
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KendiJ said:
Phone seems to overheat quickly. Is there a remedy for this?
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No sadly not at the minute. The htc m9 is having the same issue but qualcomm have reportedly solved the issue which hopfully should be sorted in a software fix. I guess we just need to leep our fingers crossed for a software fix soon
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Took my flex back because it was having issues with lag overheating and the screen died then came back on and wouldn't charge and battery died fast. The new phone is so fast it's hard to believe it's the same phone. It don't overheat and it last longer on battery. There's a bad batch of devices that are bad if i was you i would take it back . im glad i did because it's a night and day difference no lie i thought it was the software like people was saying it's not .
Just ordered mine and it would be shipped next week.
Did the 5.1.1 fix the thermal throttling and overheating?
with 5.1.1 the 810 don't go beyond 1.5GHz and still throttle but overheating is moderate, less hot than a Nexus 4 that have a S4 Pro but really hotter than a Honor 6 that have a HiSilicon Kirin SoC.
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with 5.1.1 the 810 don't go beyond 1.5GHz and still throttle but overheating is moderate, less hot than a Nexus 4 that have a S4 Pro but really hotter than a Honor 6 that have a HiSilicon Kirin SoC.
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How much did killing the clock speed hurt performance though or was the performance worse with the higher clock and thermal issues?
Either I'd be little annoyed if i paid for a device with a certain chip and clock speed and an update reduced it.
They should be giving partial refunds or something along that line, you are not getting what you paid for.
current devices: Nexus 6, Note 4, 3, 2, S3, OneX+
force70 said:
How much did killing the clock speed hurt performance though or was the performance worse with the higher clock and thermal issues?
Either I'd be little annoyed if i paid for a device with a certain chip and clock speed and an update reduced it.
They should be giving partial refunds or something along that line, you are not getting what you paid for.
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There is already some discount on M9 and Flex2, I paid 400€, the price of a mid-range device and with reduced speed it perform like a good mid-range device with high-end finish.
You may have noticed that the rumored snapdragon 820 may have core named Kryo (like Cryo, icy cold in greek).
force70 said:
How much did killing the clock speed hurt performance though or was the performance worse with the higher clock and thermal issues?
Either I'd be little annoyed if i paid for a device with a certain chip and clock speed and an update reduced it.
They should be giving partial refunds or something along that line, you are not getting what you paid for.
current devices: Nexus 6, Note 4, 3, 2, S3, OneX+
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Performance is better with 5.01 rooted debloated and tweaked thermal
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Le_Zouave said:
There is already some discount on M9 and Flex2, I paid 400€, the price of a mid-range device and with reduced speed it perform like a good mid-range device with high-end finish.
You may have noticed that the rumored snapdragon 820 may have core named Kryo (like Cryo, icy cold in greek).
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I disagree even with throttling gflex 2 is still a monster.Still high end.faster than m9. S6 is faster though. In price i agree . but even g4 s price is going down very fast.
The first leaked benchmarks of 820 show a very good single core performance and in multicore a little bit over exynos (s6).
Le_Zouave said:
There is already some discount on M9 and Flex2, I paid 400€, the price of a mid-range device and with reduced speed it perform like a good mid-range device with high-end finish.
You may have noticed that the rumored snapdragon 820 may have core named Kryo (like Cryo, icy cold in greek).
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That's why I'm considering the flex 2, I can get it for less then $500CAN. The only catch is its the H959 with only 2g ram.
current devices: Nexus 6, Note 4, 3, 2, S3, OneX+
My G Flex 2 ls996 still hits 2ghz... So not sure why that was posted. Also I have antutu benchmarks of 58000, which isn't bad. Lag has been cut down quite a bit. Every now an then there is a hiccup, but its seldom and only happens for about a second . Also haven noticed any heat issues either
This sucks if it really is so that no 2ghz after updating 5.1.1. Same if Ferrari only gives you 300hp from 600hp engine. This phone was not so good buy startin to realize it now. I downgrade it today but still 1,5ghz kernel is april dated. test antutu and serious drop, with 5.1.1 was 54000 and with 5.0.1 43500, not good.
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This sucks if it really is so that no 2ghz after updating 5.1.1. Same if Ferrari only gives you 300hp from 600hp engine. This phone was not so good buy startin to realize it now. I downgrade it today but still 1,5ghz kernel is april dated. test antutu and serious drop, with 5.1.1 was 54000 and with 5.0.1 43500, not good.
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I get about 53 000, almost 54. Have you frozen bloatware apps yet? And have you made the thermal configurations yet?
I get higher scores on 5.1.1,
I have the sprint version
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I get about 53 000, almost 54. Have you frozen bloatware apps yet? And have you made the thermal configurations yet?
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I have frozen those apps but no thermal conf. I just use trickster mod and put row on... There was so many things better with 5.1.1 so hopefully we manage to get at least root for 5.1.1. Maybe I keep using this from now on, until and hopefully something happens. Im not satisfied my decision to buy this phone and now nexus 6 32gb 499e and with that phone we have root, unlocked bootloader, custom recovery, you name it. 6" display size maybe a bit too large to carry but nexus is nexus...
If you miss the Nexus series but don't want the huge screen, deal with the Flex 2 until October (3 months) of this year and the new Nexus 5 will be out, that's what I'm doing. My old Nexus 5 runs much smoother and has zero issues. Wish I hadn't given it to my daughter.
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I have frozen those apps but no thermal conf. I just use trickster mod and put row on... There was so many things better with 5.1.1 so hopefully we manage to get at least root for 5.1.1. Maybe I keep using this from now on, until and hopefully something happens. Im not satisfied my decision to buy this phone and now nexus 6 32gb 499e and with that phone we have root, unlocked bootloader, custom recovery, you name it. 6" display size maybe a bit too large to carry but nexus is nexus...
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For sure. I am also disappointed with taking this phone and can't afford a new one. The design is great, I love the curve, but the one I have now is the third one I've gotten as I handed in 2 others already that gave issues. I think LG majorly screwed up on this phone and does not want to admit it. My phone works pretty well now, and it is a definite improvement on my S4 which I had previously, though. I wouldn't mind the Nexus 6 though, or the Xiaomei Note Pro (though the development support on this one would probably zero). If I can get some cash and maybe sell this phone, I can get the Nexus 6. I'm not sure I'd be able to, unfortunately, but we'll see.
guys the phone is really overheating so much and 5 mins into games it starts to lag, i have android 5.1.1 lollipop
Hey everyonge and a happy new year! I'm looking for an upgrade for my good old RAZRi and the G Flex 2 is available for a really good price in Germany where I live.
Is the overheating still an issue with the G Flex 2? Is it a problem on both official and custom ROMs?

Want to sell OPO, what to get instead?

HI all, am thinking selling my OPO but have no idea what other phone to get while waiting for OnePlus Two
It has to be cheap (~100 $/€) and support custom roms, thats all i am asking! (am flashaholic, so can not live without it )
Any tips what should I go for? THX!!!
Moto G is always a good choice. Tons of support for ROMs and kernels and such. Also, the boot loader is easily unlocked. It's more than your price tag, but you'll be much happier with it's flexibility and more powerful processor.
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otacon239 said:
Moto G is always a good choice. Tons of support for ROMs and kernels and such. Also, the boot loader is easily unlocked. It's more than your price tag, but you'll be much happier with it's flexibility and more powerful processor.
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plus they have consistent speedy updates of new android versions, decent batterylife etc, etc.
just a small screen
Should I assume that despite your moniker that you do not currently own a Nexus 5? If that's the case, get your hands on a used Nexus 4. Tons of ROMs, kernels, mods, etc. A Galaxy S3 (with Snapdragon and 2gb RAM, not the Exynos one) wouldn't be a bad option either.
Go for Motorola and Nexus devices. They have plenty of custom rom support.
and fast when it comes to OS updates too.
this seems nice, dunno about updates though http://www.phonearena.com/news/Affo...edge-specs-and-fingerprint-ID-for-200_id68130
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this seems nice, dunno about updates though http://www.phonearena.com/news/Affo...edge-specs-and-fingerprint-ID-for-200_id68130
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Very cheap, been checking these out too. Would love to try one out, some nice features.
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Elep...GHz-Smartphone-13-0MP-Dual-Camera-344057.html
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Very cheap, been checking these out too. Would love to try one out, some nice features.
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Elep...GHz-Smartphone-13-0MP-Dual-Camera-344057.html
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take a note of their presale, they had another one on 11th of May
http://www.gizchina.com/2015/04/24/...tedposts_origin=84489&relatedposts_position=0
not sure of they will ever have dev support though, due to the mediatek stuff. That kinda is a dealbreaker for me.
their upcoming models next month are also interesting, more expensive though.
browse the gizchina site, they got tons of info on Chinese phones
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take a note of their presale
http://www.gizchina.com/2015/04/24/...tedposts_origin=84489&relatedposts_position=0
not sure of they will have dev support though
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Yea its never going to be anywhere near the OPO. I did see a video of it running CM12 though, again though who knows if you'll be able to get hold of it.
Thank you all guys, am wondering getting some "china" phone, but seems like there is a problem with MediaTek CPU/chipset - the support of custom roms is quite small if none for some CPU/chipset/phones.
Can anyone explain me to this. If to get a phone with Mediatek chip, which one to get for widest custom rom support? Or is it like that the only thing matter is the model of CPU and custom rom working on specific CPU will work fine on other phone with same CPU?
Try the Oppo Find 7A or 7. Same device in a sense, only it has native Color OS (and no touchscreen issues). Sadly, NO LTE on some carriers. I think the Find 7 is $500 while the 7A is $400. In the US, hard to get, but not impossible, trust me. The 7 is QHD (2K resolution) while the 7A is 1080p. For that case, I went with the 7A as it packs more of a punch.
Or the Xiaomi Mi3W or Mi4, the native MIUI phones. Again, lack of LTE on US carriers but trust me, they are very fast, unique and a breath of fresh air since stock ("vanilla" android) TouchWiz, Optimus UI and Sense have gotten boring. Pricing varies, but average from $300 to $400, just watch out where you order it from.
Lastly, the Moto X 2014 packs quite a punch and a beautiful display, and you have a good warranty back up. Be sure to skip the Verizon model (XT1096) as it cannot have its bootloader unlocked and root is VERY limited. They can now be ordered for as little as $400 for the 16GB or $450 for the 32GB, and customized options do not affect pricing unless you opt in for accessories.
I cannot recommend the Nexus 5 as it had very aggressive thermal throttling, so you never experience the 2.3GHz at its fullest, it has also been pulled out of Google's lineup. The HTC One M8 is a MARVELOUS device, and very lag free, however, it has heat issues, sometimes they begin over a short amount of time and that heat will QUICKLY deteriorate the battery. The LG G3 has a nice display, however, it is a lag machine. You really can not use it for 3D games. The G2 is also old and problematic. The G Flex 1 is still worth considering, but it is HUGE, the POLED display is very prone to burned in imaged if not properly taken care of, the curved display is weird to some and it has a 720p resolution. It is however pretty darn great. The G Flex 2 sports a Snapdragon 810, but that is not a good thing. It has been noted that the 810 heats up ALOT, which is why the Xiaomi Mi5 might use the 808 and the G4 is confirmed to have gone with the 808. The Galaxy S5 and Note 3 have very slow UI animations and overall do not have great performance. The bloatware on them is also through the roof. The newer Note 4, Note Edge, S6 and S6 Edge are just too pricey. The Nexus 6 is a HUGE Moto X 2014, but it has a bit of a price tag, and if your hands are not as big as mine, you can forget it. It has superb performance. The Droid Turbo is beginning to meet its end at high prices when it comes to used ones, but again, no bootloader unlock and root is limited.
I would REALLY recommend sticking to it for a while longer as the OnePlus Two is around the corner, the Moto X 2015 is already being rumored, the Xiaomi Mi5 MIGHT enter the US market (if your in the USA) and so on. It might also be a bad idea to hold on to it as the release of the OnePlus Two will mean fans of the OnePlus One will want to sell theirs to get the newer one, and the used value of it will drop significantly or become a challenge to get rid of.

Nexus 5 2015 (LG VS HUAWEI)?

As we come closer to October, it's always fun to speculate!
Would you rather have the LG Nexus 5 or the Huawei made Nexus 5?
here's a re-cap on the "rumored" specs so far:
LG Nexus 5:
- Snapdragon 808 processor
- 4GB RAM
- 5.2 inch display
- 2700mAh battery.
Huawei Nexus 5
- Snapdragon 810
- 3500mAh battery
-5.7 inch display
- likely 4GB of ram
so, yeah...which one would you choose?
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Definitely LG.
Would prefer the one coming with 820.... 808 is weak in graphics and 810 is heater which becomes a oven in India.... ??
Definitely the LG. Since these phones are kinda being seen as "sequels", the Hauwei Nexus is just too damn big for me, same exact reason why I don't want an N6. The LG model seems like it's gonna be the perfect update to an already capable design.
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Would like the future LG Nexus to have at least 3000mAh battery. Might go with the Huawei if it is only 2700.
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LG all the way...
LG without question.
I'd rather just get the N6 if it ends up being that Huawei. Actually, I would just keep my N5 2013 at that point..
LG did very well with the N4 and N5-13...so why not again.
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LG without doubt
Interesting results so far.
I am happy with the way LG handled the nexus 5 2013 and will likely not stray away from them in 2015.
LG all the way!
(I S hold have done a poll)
I will just avoid anything with 810
Where did you hear it will be the 810? I've only heard rumors of 820.
That a side I would prefer the lg unless like others mentioned that is the battery size then I'll give the huawei a shot. Also depends on other things too. Speaker placement, wireless charging, price. Ect
LG for damn sure. Nexus 4 have already served me well for 2 full years, and Nexus 5 as a backup device also gave me a nice impression. It just feels like Nexus should be made by LG by now... especially since no one else got it "righter" than LG
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I dont know if 808 is such a good decision considering that the g4 has it and lg is planning to release a 820 version already later this year. I dont know.. I would rather have the 810 or 820 which really is a jump
remember, these are all just Rumored specs. All three companies(google, LG, Huawei) have been silent
even if Huawei releases the 820 (I heard the chip is coming out in Dec. so, it wont be in phones till at least summer '16) it looks as if most people would still choose the LG made Nexus.
I loved my N5. but I had to switch to LG G4 because of speaker/sound quality. I need all day long to talk on phone and it became really anoying after couple minutes the poor sound.
But the N5 support on developement is great and esteticly I loved it.
So I'm really excited about the new N5.
I just hope it wont be equiped with SnapDragon 810 because of overheat. Where I live in summer it's about 40 degrees, so... you know
Ans for sure, I hope LG will release it!!!!! LG all the way!
Wow, look at those poll results, lol. After using the Nexus 6 for a couple months and never really enjoying it I am waiting for a smaller phone. Even 5.5 is too big. I am hoping a 5.2" LG will feel similar to the current Nexus 5.
This big phone trend is completely idiotic, its like no manufacturer scans the market to see what people want. The sweet spot for most people is 4.7-5.0 (more or less). Yet they keep making phones too ****in big and give no alternative, its just plain stupid. They just release the "mini" versions, completely idiotic cripled versions of flagship phones, overpriced. Sony is the only one who has some sense about this, but their prices are way too high.
If any brand like lg or sony or htc made a flagship phone with a good cpu, a 4.7 inch screen(or maybe even 5.0 with reduced borders) 1080p, 2 or 3gb ram, a good 3000mah battery and a price point of around 350 euros or something, it would probably become the top selling phone in little time. But no, lets make them all 5.5 or even bigger and always with some flaw to keep the consumer from buying it lol.
True that some people like big phones, but most people dont...I dont understand why manufacturers cant figure this out honestly...
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This big phone trend is completely idiotic, its like no manufacturer scans the market to see what people want. The sweet spot for most people is 4.7-5.0 (more or less). Yet they keep making phones too ****in big and give no alternative, its just plain stupid. They just release the "mini" versions, completely idiotic cripled versions of flagship phones, overpriced. Sony is the only one who has some sense about this, but their prices are way too high.
If any brand like lg or sony or htc made a flagship phone with a good cpu, a 4.7 inch screen(or maybe even 5.0 with reduced borders) 1080p, 2 or 3gb ram, a good 3000mah battery and a price point of around 350 euros or something, it would probably become the top selling phone in little time. But no, lets make them all 5.5 or even bigger and always with some flaw to keep the consumer from buying it lol.
True that some people like big phones, but most people dont...I dont understand why manufacturers cant figure this out honestly...
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With the exception of battery you described three nexus 5. Or z3 compact (and it's not selling that much) I want the same size screen as nexus 5, but definitely more than 2gb of ram. 3 minimum, but would like 4 so the phone could last more than a year.
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With the exception of battery you described three nexus 5. Or z3 compact (and it's not selling that much) I want the same size screen as nexus 5, but definitely more than 2gb of ram. 3 minimum, but would like 4 so the phone could last more than a year.
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you just reinforced my point. Nexus 5 flaw: battery.
Why couldn't they just stick a better battery on it, even if it increased the price a bit? I like my nexus 5 very much but i hate battery life on this phone and will probably exchange it for a better alternative(hopefully the new 5.2 nexus if it comes with good battery life)
the z3 compact isnt selling much because its price is way too high. Put its price around 250 euros (which would suit given the specs it has) and it would sell like a flagship phone. It was actually one of my choices before the nexus 5. But when i saw the price asked for it...way too high and went for the N5 instead
btw i would rather have 2gb ram with a good battery than 3 or 4gb with a crappy one...since manufacturers always want to cut costs i would prefer they would not cut on battery

Next phone, what are people thinking about moving to?

Hi,
I've been a very happy N5 owners since release and first time for years that I've stuck with a phone this long.
Thinking about moving on but just not sure where to go.
What are you all jumping on to if anything? Pitch me your justification so I can come with you
Thanks
Probably any that's with official CM support..
ive chosen OnePlus X, natural upgrade to my N5..
CPU: SD801 (vs SD800)
RAM: 3GB (vs 2GB)
Rom: 16GB with MicroSD slot (vs 16GB without MicroSD slot) <<< major advantage to me
Display: 5" (vs 4.95") <<< my ideal phone size
Battery: 2525mAh (vs 2300mAh)
Plus: built-in FM Radio, OPX warranty is not voided when bootloader is unlocked, great outlook
Minus: no NFC, no Fingerprint Sensor
My next choice will be Nexus 6P .
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My next choice will be Nexus 6P .
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I wish I could afford that My nexus 5 is dying. The screen scrambles from time to time, the power button is sometimes stuck and the microphone is sometimes not working. This much sometimes renders the phone 70% useless. I repair phones daily but i cant do anything permanent to fix these issues
Thinking about buying a 32gb nexus 5 I love this phone so much....
i dont know what i will move to, im not impressed by with the new nexus.
if the n5x had more ram or was cheaper i would consider it as i wont be happy spending that much on it, i intend to have it as long as i did with nexus 4, 5.
i think oneplus 2 or oneplus x, ideally want only 5inch max.
if the nexus 5 frame wasnt weak i wouldnt even consider buying a new phone, the nexus 4 is of better build
I just bought another nexus 5, to go along with my nexus 6. I'm not going anywhere for a long time. When the 2016 nexus becomes cheaper later on, then I'll probably buy that. I'm going to switch every month between the 5 and 6 so neither one gets overused and I can get 18 months between the 2.

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