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Better then HTC One M8?

I need a replacement phone right now and I struggle between those two. I gernarly prefer HTC becouse of the design, sense, and the community support. How ever Z3 is around the price,6 month newer and has higher specs. Help me to make a decision please!

Z3 has 3gb of ram. Wuyh lollipop coming that eats a lotof ram, yoy will really need that quantity ti be futur proof. Htc m8 has only 2.
Plus z3 has vetter camera 20.3 MP unlike the 4 MP camera if HTC. The inly main advantage if thehtc is its design. But personelly I don't find the z3 any less beautifu.
Last but notleast, the epic battery of the z3 3100 mah.

Richard_10 said:
Z3 has 3gb of ram. Wuyh lollipop coming that eats a lotof ram, yoy will really need that quantity ti be futur proof. Htc m8 has only 2.
Plus z3 has vetter camera 20.3 MP unlike the 4 MP camera if HTC. The inly main advantage if thehtc is its design. But personelly I don't find the z3 any less beautifu.
Last but notleast, the epic battery of the z3 3100 mah.
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But what about this loosing DRM crap that Sony annoys you with? And also I am concerned about updates since Sony pushes out 2 phones a year I am worried they will forget about it soon. M8 has a google play edition so their is at least always that.

Actually because Sony only produces a smaller amount of products they are better and quicker to release with the only exception being GPEs, all being equal I would take the Z3 over the M8 hands down as with lollipops new raw format for images the DRM keys for Sony's special camera won't really matter.
One last thing and my only gripe with the Z3 is the button placement is awkward (physical buttons) they are low and geared towards one hand use but it took me a long while to adjust... Go hold one to see what I'm talking about.

switch from the m8 2 months ago and havent looked back. the z3 is a better phone in many aspects, its faster, has a much superior camera, bigger screen, it lays flat on the table, its easy to grip and doesnt slide from your hand...
I do wish it had an IR blaster and was easier to root but still I am willing to live with this. The speakers are not as good as the m8 but still really good, especially being waterproof. The Z3 is also about the same size as the m8 in terms of width and height but is much thinnery and doesnt have the awkward curve at the back and slippery surface.
Don't worry about updates for the z3. it will likely be the same next year as it is this year.
- Directly from Sony
"We’ll be making Sony Mobile’s Android “L” upgrade available for the entire premium Z series*: including Xperia Z, Xperia ZL, Xperia ZR, Xperia Tablet Z, Xperia Z1, Xperia Z1S, Xperia Z Ultra, Xperia Z1 Compact, Xperia Z2, Xperia Z2 Tablet, Xperia Z3, Xperia Z3v, Xperia Z3 Compact and Xperia Z3 Tablet Compact. Sony Z Ultra Google Play edition devices will be first up – we’ll be back with more details on that soon.
We’ll start the upgrade at beginning of 2015 for the core Xperia Z3 and Xperia Z2 series – continuing thereafter for all remaining devices above."

If you like Sense, you may need to get used to Sony's take on Android. In the interest of full disclosure, I've owned 3 Sonys (T, Z1 Compact and now a Z3), and I love their UI. Anyway, my daughter had an HTC M7, which died recently so she got my Z1c... but that is the second bad experience I've had with HTC.
Stamina mode with Sony is as good as it gets for saving the battery.
For the build quality, you might find them similar. I always find Sony's to be very good.
For the Camera (DRM issue), there is a thread in here where someone tested the low light quality (I guess that's what most the fuss is about) and said there was hardly a difference. I can't speak to the change in quality myself.

Personally, if camera is not a big deal I think The M8 is better.
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Having owned both I have to say that both are excellent phones.
I am very hesitant to put either of the phones over other one. First when I changed from M8 I just hated how Z3 UI looked, too big icons etc. I am now used to this and I find that especially battery is much better on Z3 and this really important.
I hope that more manufacturers start to pay attention to the battery life over how the phones perform. Nexus 6 is a good example. I couldn't care less how much they score on the benchmark tests if the battery is dead by afternoon.

First up, I admit that I don't own the M* but I have tried it in the hand borrowed from a friend. It lacked the 'love at first sight' effect for me.
The Z3 is a much better looking device, more symmetry, more balanced, flat on a surface, razor thin with a brilliant battery to tow. It really is the only device that can make iOS users turn their heads. Also, if you are a brand conscious guy/gal then Sony commands a kind of respect only bested or matched by Apple. The thing is waterproof as well. Has more RAM for better multitasking, brighter display with cool enhancements in gallery and video like x reality boosting. The display can go darker too for reading at night. The camera will show more detail, better for zooming in, cropping, throwing to a large high res display and for a more overall positive accumulated effect. The hardware button is a great addition esp for underwater shots and quick firing the camera from sleep. The low light capability is currently next to none amongst flagships (near dark scenarios). The only gripe I have with the cam is that HTC and iPhones snap images faster, making the user experience more effortless. Magnetic charging is just a bonus. Did I say the battery is really good? Finally, the M9 may debut so getting an M8 may lose novelty sooner than a Z3. Although the Z4 may or may not be round the corner too.
TLDR? The Z3 hands down. No competition.

subhani said:
First up, I admit that I don't own the M* but I have tried it in the hand borrowed from a friend. It lacked the 'love at first sight' effect for me.
The Z3 is a much better looking device, more symmetry, more balanced, flat on a surface, razor thin with a brilliant battery to tow. It really is the only device that can make iOS users turn their heads. Also, if you are a brand conscious guy/gal then Sony commands a kind of respect only bested or matched by Apple. The thing is waterproof as well. Has more RAM for better multitasking, brighter display with cool enhancements in gallery and video like x reality boosting. The display can go darker too for reading at night. The camera will show more detail, better for zooming in, cropping, throwing to a large high res display and for a more overall positive accumulated effect. The hardware button is a great addition esp for underwater shots and quick firing the camera from sleep. The low light capability is currently next to none amongst flagships (near dark scenarios). The only gripe I have with the cam is that HTC and iPhones snap images faster, making the user experience more effortless. Magnetic charging is just a bonus. Did I say the battery is really good? Finally, the M9 may debut so getting an M8 may lose novelty sooner than a Z3. Although the Z4 may or may not be round the corner too.
TLDR? The Z3 hands down. No competition.
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I should point out that M8 was released before Z2 even came out. I know it because I had pre-ordered Z2 originally but since I couldn't wait I went and bought M8 from the shop.
So M8 novelty has already been much longer there than it was with Z2.
I also disagree about the design. Z3 is gorgeous, but M8 is even more beautiful.

CandyAndy said:
I should point out that M8 was released before Z2 even came out. I know it because I had pre-ordered Z2 originally but since I couldn't wait I went and bought M8 from the shop.
So M8 novelty has already been much longer there than it was with Z2.
I also disagree about the design. Z3 is gorgeous, but M8 is even more beautiful.
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M8 announcement: 25/3/14
Z2 announcement: 24/2/14
So your point is?
Let's be honest here. You like the M8, buy the M8. You like Sony, get the Sony. Pointless to argue.

lee480 said:
M8 announcement: 25/3/14
Z2 announcement: 24/2/14
So your point is?
Let's be honest here. You like the M8, buy the M8. You like Sony, get the Sony. Pointless to argue.
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I thought that Nokia already taught you that announcement and availability are two different things. M8 was able to purchase in April, Z2 came in May.

CandyAndy said:
I thought that Nokia already taught you that announcement and availability are two different things. M8 was able to purchase in April, Z2 came in May.
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You expect the availability date for your country to blanket worldwide? Fat hope, ranger rick.
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lee480 said:
You expect the availability date for your country to blanket worldwide? Fat hope, ranger rick.
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Nope, and you except that I don't know how to shop online? Slim chance buzz lightyear

Xperia Z3 or Z3 Plus ?

Hi Everyone,
I'm looking into buying the Z3 and I know there is an Octa-core version called the Z3+
I'm wondering if anyone has input into which one I should buy...
I'm looking at the D6653 and the D6553
thanks for your input

I have bought a Z3 two months ago, coming from a Z1. It's a very fast phone, compared to my old Z1, and in everyday use there is nothing to complain about it.
I got the 5.1 Lollipop on it and battery life is pretty good, close to two days, moderate to heavy use, with 4G enabled, sync alway on.
Display is very nice, good viewing angles on it, doesn't get too warm under use, at least compared to Z3+.
So, as a Z3 user I am saying, go for it, it's still a fast phone for today's standards.
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Aegethir said:
I have bought a Z3 two months ago, coming from a Z1. It's a very fast phone, compared to my old Z1, and in everyday use there is nothing to complain about it.
I got the 5.1 Lollipop on it and battery life is pretty good, close to two days, moderate to heavy use, with 4G enabled, sync alway on.
Display is very nice, good viewing angles on it, doesn't get too warm under use, at least compared to Z3+.
So, as a Z3 user I am saying, go for it, it's still a fast phone for today's standards.
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So your opinion is that I should get the Z3 and not the Z3+ ?

I think so, at least in my opinion. At least you will avoid heating issues with the Z3+ which everyone is complaining about.
And I am pretty sure you will not notice a drop in performance, even though the Z3+ has a better CPU. Z3 is a fast and responsive phone, cannot go wrong with it.
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Aegethir said:
I think so, at least in my opinion. At least you will avoid heating issues with the Z3+ which everyone is complaining about.
And I am pretty sure you will not notice a drop in performance, even though the Z3+ has a better CPU. Z3 is a fast and responsive phone, cannot go wrong with it.
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yes and battery life is a very important consideration for me as well and im assuming the upgraded cpu and gpu drain the batter faster
i am upgrading from my z1 and have been very happy with its battery life
another consideration is that ill probably want to root the phone and use the latest cyanogenmod with it

Elenchner said:
yes and battery life is a very important consideration for me as well and im assuming the upgraded cpu and gpu drain the batter faster
i am upgrading from my z1 and have been very happy with its battery life
another consideration is that ill probably want to root the phone and use the latest cyanogenmod with it
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Battery life is better on Z3 than it was on my Z1, I must say. And in real life use you will not see a noticeable difference between Z3 and Z3+, but you will get battery life on the Z3.
Plus, you will get a better price on the Z3 than you'd get for a Z3+.
A little while back I made a post like yours, what to get between the two phones, and a lot of users advised me to get the Z3 over the Z3+ and they were right, the phone performs admirably.
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z3+ anytime

sourabhp said:
z3+ anytime
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you mean to say you would recommend the z3+ over the z3?

Elenchner said:
you mean to say you would recommend the z3+ over the z3?
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yes. octa core processor, better cam, better front cam. not sure about overheating issues when recording 4K.

Z3+ have better built quality. special power button

go for z5 then

I'd get Z3+ just because there's less stuff on the sides so it looks cleaner. No magnetic charger and the usb flap is moved to the bottom and left open.

I will tell you what is better on Z3+ and what is better on Z3. Z3+ is better in this things: 32 GB internal memory, flapless micro USB, brighter screen, louder speakers, much better sound quality over headphones and camera is slightly better (nothing special, most off people will not notice that). On Z3 Android and UI works so much better and smoother. Maybe Android 5.1.1 will fix smoothness on Z3+ and bring Z5 UI. Only thing why I did not go for Z3 is no good sound quality over headphones after Android 5.0.2 update. On Android 5.1.1 sound quality is slightly better but no match for Z3+. And that is why I have Z3+ and hoping for Android 5.1.1 to bring back Z3 Android smoothness.
Now it is on you to decide. We can't do it for you. Only thing we can do is to say our opinion on each device.

Should I upgrade my Z5 Premium to XZ?

Seeing as how XZ is the new 2016 flagship. Is it worth upgrading? Specs wise, it isn't really worth. Just better front facing camera, rear camera and a better processor from what I saw unless I missed something. But design wise, I really like it. Supposedly some of the 2017 Xperia leaks I've seen sport the exact design from the XZ. Should I upgrade or wait out until the end of the year for their high end device?

I have Z5 regular and I have same speculations.The camera is better cause has full manual mode,but picture quality?I am afraid that isnt much better than Z5.
It left only chipset,design and maybe longer battery hold.
I am not smart what to do...

lythanhlong said:
Seeing as how XZ is the new 2016 flagship. Is it worth upgrading? Specs wise, it isn't really worth. Just better front facing camera, rear camera and a better processor from what I saw unless I missed something. But design wise, I really like it. Supposedly some of the 2017 Xperia leaks I've seen sport the exact design from the XZ. Should I upgrade or wait out until the end of the year for their high end device?
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I prefer old design cuz it's more scratch resist than new material. I think u should stay tuned with news, see what if the 2017 devices could be more or not then decide, it's just a month ahead. BTW, XZ price is still not down in VN Store yet.

As nougat takes up approximately 50% of the XZ's memory which can't be rooted without unlocking the bootloader, I'd suggesting holding back for three months to see what is released generally. Developer support and third party accessory support are limited for this model, and you'll have difficulty finding a decent case or tempered glass that bonds fully to the curved edge. Double tap to wake remains an issue, and charging is weak and actually depletes if you're using the phone at the same time, as a wireless hotspot for example. It's a stunning phone, but there are issues......

not point tbh, they are just too similar.

Need help
I love Sony !
But since Xperia z5 and didn't see Sony do any big hit now with XZ I loved it but afraid buying it and get disappointed!
Since Z5 went to s7 edge but didn't like it so I went to iPhone 6S plus and didn't like it now I'm with Moto Z but not satisfied!
Thought of HTC 10
But for once Wana believe XZ is worth buying !!!
Any help plz !!

fgar82 said:
Need help
I love Sony !
But since Xperia z5 and didn't see Sony do any big hit now with XZ I loved it but afraid buying it and get disappointed!
Since Z5 went to s7 edge but didn't like it so I went to iPhone 6S plus and didn't like it now I'm with Moto Z but not satisfied!
Thought of HTC 10
But for once Wana believe XZ is worth buying !!!
Any help plz !!
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What make you disappointed in Z5 and why you didn't satisfy with Moto Z?
Make it clear why so others can help to tell in your place.

The Xperia XZ is a good smartphone, most important thing is the stable & close to stock Android Sony UI, with fast OS updates.
I have used so many smartphones, but Sony is really one of the best.

angelanh said:
What make you disappointed in Z5 and why you didn't satisfy with Moto Z?
Make it clear why so others can help to tell in your place.
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Well had black z5 and left it in my back pocket and when I went to my car forgot about it and when I sat I heard a crack and when I noticed it was the phone took it it was all broken with little bent in the middle !! Bought then white one and left it on the table and when I got a call it moved till felt down and broke down !
So bought z5 premium with the thought of Netflix 4k and youtube 4k but nothing screen brightness under sun was bad and camera wasn't all what I expected !!!
So went to Samsung s7 and hate all the junk and so many options that mostly u never use it and from time to time it get some slow done for a sec !
The only thing I loved about it the camera was great !
So went to moto z and only thing hate it after buying it putting it side by side with iPhone HTC and Samsung it was ugly and looks like a 200$ phone , I know there is no perfect phone I love Sony phones so think buying the Xz but reviews didnt help camera sucks as they say it's not perfect in anything screen still FHD like Sony is Stuck in time !!! It looks like Z5 with a better design and new processor . So what I was wondering is it really worth buying it

lythanhlong said:
Seeing as how XZ is the new 2016 flagship. Is it worth upgrading? Specs wise, it isn't really worth. Just better front facing camera, rear camera and a better processor from what I saw unless I missed something. But design wise, I really like it. Supposedly some of the 2017 Xperia leaks I've seen sport the exact design from the XZ. Should I upgrade or wait out until the end of the year for their high end device?
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Xz is really better than z5 premium.Better speed,battery life,screen quality, camera quality (not only for manual comands ,quaity is also really better on auto. Every shoots are fantastic and night shoots are on different planet compared to z5 series...really fantastic). Z5 premium have updates i think only with nougat 7.0 and 7.1.1. Xz also android 8 and 9 i think. In the end of the year z5 premium probably leave the official support and there you should buy the new xperia z5 premium is a fantastic phone. Xz is really better. But at end 2017 Sony announce his powerful flagship. and it will be a really better phone than xz

Don't know if I can add a YouTube link
But this is what bother me every review I see is negative I don't know if the phone is that bad or the reviews just want to make it show bad !
Here in Brasil it's not on shelves yet only sold online so there is no way to test it yet ! And it's not cheep at all it's around 1050$
So I need a light from ppl here in the XDA
Thanks for all support

Sony is about to announce new phones at MWC on February 27...I'd wait.
edit: Not to say the XZ isn't great, I love mine. Just saying though, new phones in a month. Might be worth waiting to see what they announce.

fgar82 said:
Don't know if I can add a YouTube link
But this is what bother me every review I see is negative I don't know if the phone is that bad or the reviews just want to make it show bad !
Here in Brasil it's not on shelves yet only sold online so there is no way to test it yet ! And it's not cheep at all it's around 1050$
So I need a light from ppl here in the XDA
Thanks for all support
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I have the XZ, it is good phone with best quality screen under direct sun, yes the Samsung S7 edge camera is much better, but in the end it is a smartphone not a camera & with playing with manual mode you can get better result from XZ.
before the XZ I used the HTC 10 which it does have QHD screen !
but if you compare the HTC 10 QHD screen with the FHD Xperia XZ screen in normal indoor light or under direct sun the winner will be for sure the Xperia XZ.
XZ screen is so bright and clear indoor and under direct sun even with polarized sun glasses where you will suffer with other smartphones, but with the XZ it is really a hero.
any one can try that, I felt disappointed from using HTC 10 SPECIALLY UNDER DIRECT SUN with polarized sun glasses, so I decided to get Sony Xperia XZ.
all in all XZ is a good smartphone with good battery life & screen quality, plus the most cool thing I like it about the XZ is the Qnovo charging thing where the battery can learn from your daily charging timing, so this Qnovo thing will stop over charging battery if for example you charge your smartphone over night.
If you are a Sony guy get the XZ, it is such a cool smartphone.

fgar82 said:
Well had black z5 and left it in my back pocket and when I went to my car forgot about it and when I sat I heard a crack and when I noticed it was the phone took it it was all broken with little bent in the middle !! Bought then white one and left it on the table and when I got a call it moved till felt down and broke down !
So bought z5 premium with the thought of Netflix 4k and youtube 4k but nothing screen brightness under sun was bad and camera wasn't all what I expected !!!
So went to Samsung s7 and hate all the junk and so many options that mostly u never use it and from time to time it get some slow done for a sec !
The only thing I loved about it the camera was great !
So went to moto z and only thing hate it after buying it putting it side by side with iPhone HTC and Samsung it was ugly and looks like a 200$ phone , I know there is no perfect phone I love Sony phones so think buying the Xz but reviews didnt help camera sucks as they say it's not perfect in anything screen still FHD like Sony is Stuck in time !!! It looks like Z5 with a better design and new processor . So what I was wondering is it really worth buying it
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So far, i didn't try Z5 Premium but did use Z1 and tried Z3 of my friend. By stats, Z5 Pre and XZ are just the same. By design, the new material is nice, beautiful, mostly symmetry, more than Z5 Pre, even few time i confused then hold it upside down. But It did not bring the good feeling and high grade feeling (both by viewing and holding) like Z lines, also less scratch resistant. Also in review, its back is easy to be destroy by hard metal.
For gaming, and perhaps clip playing too if you hold XZ, the border is not much rounded, make it feed bad for your hand's palm after playing game for a long time. Battery is not so good, fixed much by Nougat update, but still. The reduced resolution didn't make it better, but I don't like larger resolution either, my I cant' see much differences.
For broken and bend problems, I didn't drop my XZ so i can't tell, but my old Z1 drop many times without any problems, just scratch appear in every corner after times. Then how could your old phone became broken so easily?
At all, I'm a little reget that I should try Z5 Pre before buying XZ, that's it.
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angelanh said:
So far, i didn't try Z5 Premium but did use Z1 and tried Z3 of my friend. By stats, Z5 Pre and XZ are just the same. By design, the new material is nice, beautiful, mostly symmetry, more than Z5 Pre, even few time i confused then hold it upside down. But It did not bring the good feeling and high grade feeling (both by viewing and holding) like Z lines, also less scratch resistant. Also in review, its back is easy to be destroy by hard metal.
For gaming, and perhaps clip playing too if you hold XZ, the border is not much rounded, make it feed bad for your hand's palm after playing game for a long time. Battery is not so good, fixed much by Nougat update, but still. The reduced resolution didn't make it better, but I don't like larger resolution either, my I cant' see much differences.
For broken and bend problems, I didn't drop my XZ so i can't tell, but my old Z1 drop many times without any problems, just scratch appear in every corner after times. Then how could your old phone became broken so easily?
At all, I'm a little reget that I should try Z5 Pre before buying XZ, that's it.
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Also, I must tell that I hate Moto Z or any phone with camera Bulging, so ugly for me when it's not summetry. Save the thin of other's palace to be thinner but not the camera area :silly:.

one-option said:
I have the XZ, it is good phone with best quality screen under direct sun, yes the Samsung S7 edge camera is much better, but in the end it is a smartphone not a camera & with playing with manual mode you can get better result from XZ.
before the XZ I used the HTC 10 which it does have QHD screen !
but if you compare the HTC 10 QHD screen with the FHD Xperia XZ screen in normal indoor light or under direct sun the winner will be for sure the Xperia XZ.
XZ screen is so bright and clear indoor and under direct sun even with polarized sun glasses where you will suffer with other smartphones, but with the XZ it is really a hero.
any one can try that, I felt disappointed from using HTC 10 SPECIALLY UNDER DIRECT SUN with polarized sun glasses, so I decided to get Sony Xperia XZ.
all in all XZ is a good smartphone with good battery life & screen quality, plus the most cool thing I like it about the XZ is the Qnovo charging thing where the battery can learn from your daily charging timing, so this Qnovo thing will stop over charging battery if for example you charge your smartphone over night.
If you are a Sony guy get the XZ, it is such a cool smartphone.
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S7 better camera automatic than xz? I don't think so...look this comparison https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=anhLR3pzMFR2OVI1bnhkOFJWMUwtX2Z5S2R6M2ZB .
And i try so much s7 camera.On his screen ,fantastic photos wow! On other screens...duh... His amoled false the real photo quality of this phone. I think other phones do better, not only xz.

fgar82 said:
Need help
I love Sony !
But since Xperia z5 and didn't see Sony do any big hit now with XZ I loved it but afraid buying it and get disappointed!
Since Z5 went to s7 edge but didn't like it so I went to iPhone 6S plus and didn't like it now I'm with Moto Z but not satisfied!
Thought of HTC 10
But for once Wana believe XZ is worth buying !!!
Any help plz !!
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Stay on sony buddy.. Just sony

I stepped over from Z5 to XZ and sure its worth, XZ is better then Z5 in speed, battery and sure takin photos
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Well bought the Xz black and and......
I can say I'm amazed and loving the phone better than Z5 premium lighter looks slim while I was afraid cos looking at the picture it seemed thick!
Glad I'm back to Sony and I really hope they amaze us over the year!
Bought blue for my sis and even my brother with S7 edge was impressed with the phone.

fgar82 said:
Well bought the Xz black and and......
I can say I'm amazed and loving the phone better than Z5 premium lighter looks slim while I was afraid cos looking at the picture it seemed thick!
Glad I'm back to Sony and I really hope they amaze us over the year!
Bought blue for my sis and even my brother with S7 edge was impressed with the phone.
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Is it worth to change?

Hey,
I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I'll give it a shot.
I'm wondering if it's worth to change my phone, I've been using the Xperia Z3 since 3 years and I'm thinking about moving into Z5.
Would it be a good move? what are the pros and cons?
Thanks in advance!

honest truth for me, i would love to go back to my Z3 only cause of the battery life. like for like use i would get a day and half with the Z3 and now i barely make it to a full day.
i would probably look at one of the newer Sony's at least that way support will be there for a little while longer as well.

Doesn't agree with you, I'm running SlimX Custom ROM With Xposed + Amplify, Doze, Greenify ect..
I managed to customize my energy consumption using kernel Auditor and my z5 is now fully adapted to my everyday task and usage, my battery is way more efficient than when I was running stock

Malerovi said:
Hey,
I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I'll give it a shot.
I'm wondering if it's worth to change my phone, I've been using the Xperia Z3 since 3 years and I'm thinking about moving into Z5.
Would it be a good move? what are the pros and cons?
Thanks in advance!
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z5 has added features like 4k screen and better battery but the device heats and shows battery drainage if its not rooted and you haven't customized it accordingly! also z5 screen brightness has been kept lower than z3 so during day time you may face visibility issues
i would suggest if you wana upgrade try considering XZs or upcoming XZP having better 4g connectivity with 4 inbuilt antennas and snadragon 835 process

YasuHamed said:
i would suggest if you wana upgrade try considering XZs or upcoming XZP having better 4g connectivity with 4 inbuilt antennas and snadragon 835 process
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Thanks for your opinion.
By the way, what do you mean by XZs or XZP?

Malerovi said:
Thanks for your opinion.
By the way, what do you mean by XZs or XZP?
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the next generation of sony Xperia
Xperia XZs (released)
Xperia XZP (forthcoming)

At first I thought I decided wrong but now let say u use marshmallow, xposed grenify u won't regret it. I moved to stock nougat and it is great, just waiting for xposed
But I agree with colleagues here, take a look at XZ premium

The Xperia Z 5 Premium? the Dual sim one¿?
If that's it, it's around 450USD in my country, way cheap according to the normal Z5

Malerovi said:
The Xperia Z 5 Premium? the Dual sim one¿?
If that's it, it's around 450USD in my country, way cheap according to the normal Z5
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No Z5 premium, but XZ Premium it is not realeased yet.

And between Z5 comun and Z5 Premi(dual), which one would u recommend guys?? I can get the E6853 (single sim) y E6833 Dual SIM, any of these for 450USD, NEW.

Malerovi said:
And between Z5 comun and Z5 Premi(dual), which one would u recommend guys?? I can get the E6853 (single sim) y E6833 Dual SIM, any of these for 450USD, NEW.
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If you need two sims get dual sim, otherwise no need for dual sim.
But for that money you should get OnePlus 3T, which is 10 times better,

Malerovi said:
And between Z5 comun and Z5 Premi(dual), which one would u recommend guys?? I can get the E6853 (single sim) y E6833 Dual SIM, any of these for 450USD, NEW.
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Z5P is bigger screen 4k support device and amazing 801dpi
but at the same time its a responsibility to carry this big device
on the other hand z5 is pretty hand with a bit smaller screen
if you have deskjob and you spend most of the time indoors then go for z5p
if your more outgoing/sport/ athelete type person! got for Z5

Thank you for answering, I'll have that in mind

As a previous Z2, currently Z5 Premium and also many Sony accessories owner, my humble advise is: don't buy Sony.
Not that they are bad phones in any way, however as a company, Sony can not catch up with the competition and doesn't listen to the customers.
A couple of examples:
1) DRM thing. If you happen to root your phone they say it is out of warranty and some "special" code which improves camera, screen and sound quality is lost, forever! Sure there are workarounds for these DRM keys but this doesn't chance the fact that Sony is not being developer friendly here. Also, remember the guy who sued Apple and won? The court has decided that "the software which was bought with the hardware, is fully belonged to the customer and the customer is free to customize it". So, Sony dictating us NOT to root or live without an important-ish code, which I pay for when buying the phone, is nothing but only being disrespectful to the customer.
2) camera problem. As you probably noticed, Sony phones have the highest Megapixel cameras out there. We'll, that's just a gimmick. Every Sony phone's superior auto mode shoots at 8mp. Sony also suggests that we should use 8mp whether it's superior auto or - so called- manual shooting. As a camera manufacturer, Sony sells cameras to other companies and most of them flat out come with 16mp, without any advise for a lower resolution shooting. The reason to that is, if you compare a 23mp manual shot with an 8mp manual shot at mid or low light conditions, you'll notice that there is almost no difference. Only that, the 23mp shot is bigger in size and can be zoomed more, which gives you noting but a pastel noise. In addition to that, Sony never shares its true driver for camera, rendering 3rd party camera apps almost useless as they can only register 8mp wide screen and 3.15mp 4:3 shooting mode.
Sony will never admit the truth, but my educated guess is, the sensor has to share some resources while recording the light and colors, thus making it technically save it in 23mp but physically capable of intaking enough light and real life data only for a highest quality 8mp shot. This is why 23mp clear sky shot in the morning will be good quality but a low light shot will suffer and be even lower quality than 16mp cameras. At 8mp level, it is unrivaled though.
Again, that leaves us, customers in a fooled point. Technically Sony is not lying, but also not delivering what is expected. Nowadays, Sony's only advantage to a 12-13mp Pixel or iPhone 7+ is a wide angle FOV. nothing else.
3) screen thing. We, Z5 Premium owners have an 4K screen who runs at 1080p due to the heating and battery concerns. It only converts to true 4K with supported Sony apps. Rivals switched to the 1440p already. Full time 1440p. Japanese people try to understand market's demands so rookiely here, they simply think offering a potentially higher resolution screen will attract the customers. But again, this puts them into a lower moral position than even Apple's. Look at Oneplus, they do their best for a budget screen and make it 1080p, the premium rivals like Google and LG make theirs' 1440p and Android fully supports it. Sony is already a great screen manufacturer, why try gimmicks like that? I mean with their already present screen quality they could easily produce the best 1080p screen out there and market it "being the best of everything: screen quality, battery preserving, heat reducing, and with the clearest whites". Instead they make a 4K screen which only runs at 4K when selected few apps are used. The rest of the time it is 1080p.
Sony don't have a leading behavior in the market either. So it can not make it's rivals jealous and switch to 4K, in order to adapt Android world into 4K rapidly. They simply don't have that influence, actually I believe next Sony phone will be 4K+ resolution with 2:1 ratio..
4) development support problem. Developers actually love companies who are developer friendly. Sony is the only company who release an AOSP code for almost every phone they release, also all of their phones come with lockable bootloader. Yet, they lag when it comes to kernel, Rom, mod etc. support. Somehow developers won't prefer Sony phones. Hell, they even fight with unlockable and frustrating Samsungs and don't show love for Sony for some reason.
Well, I trust these guys. They are giving people, who use their free time to make things better and share it with us for freely, and also sit here and respond to our never ending problems. If they don't prefer Sony most if the time I say they know something.
So, long story short; I am holding a phone in my hands right now. It has a super screen, nice build quality and good sound for music. Also comes with good battery life, dual speakers etc. But I can't trust the company behind it for the future. I can't use 3rd party camera apps, I can't use the full quality of the screen, camera and sound with my desired ROM, I can't use it to its full performance without it slowing down due to heating easily... Also, there are totally visible touch modules in the best screen of the world!
I will enjoy this phone till it's old enough, but then I'll never buy a Sony product again, as Sony is the only Japanese in the world who lost my respect. It'll go right next to Samsung in my blacklist..

Xperia XZ1 vs Xperia XZ Premium

So I need to buy a new phone. This Xperia XZ is the worst phone I've ever used in my life for 2 reasons, general performance and battery life. The battery life has gotten so bad of late that I just cannot continue to use it. I waited till the announcement of the XZ2, but as far I'm concerned, that phone is complete and utter rubbish. So I have to choose between XZ1 and XZ premium. Now you may be wondering, why not just use another brand? Simple, benefit of a doubt. I have been using Sony phones for a long time now, and the XZ is the only Sony phone I have not been satisfied with. I love Samsung's hardware, but I cannot stand their software and super-slow updates. The Pixels just generally have issues. Oneplus has no SD card slot or waterproofing. The only brand I may consider is Nokia. So as it stands, the 2 phones that really suit my needs right now are the XZ Premium and XZ1, but I don't know which to choose, so I thought I'd ask you guys.
1. Which has the better battery life? (Major deciding factor)
2. In favour of XZ1 is the size, I find the XZ premium to be a bit big.
3. In favour of XZ premium is the display.
I think they are identical in every other aspect.
Which one do you guys think is better?

About battery, I'm getting great batt life with the XZ1 compared to XZ.
The biggest difference with the xz premium would be bigger screen and resolution, i guess battery is worst due to this (my guessing). Both phones are basically the same, the XZ1 should be supported longer cause it's a newer phone, personally I don't need a 4k screen atm, that's why i get the XZ1, besides prefer a metal back panel than glass.

XZ1 uses snapdragon 835 which is more efficient than the one in XZ. but have you trace which app that drains your battery?

I have been trying to figure out which app is draining my battery. I have uninstalled apps one at a time (BBM, Facebook Messenger, Facebook etc) to see if there would be a difference, and there is hardly a dent. Most of these apps I had when I used the Z2 and Z3 and both phones had fantastic, simply fantastic battery life. Coming from a Z3 to this phone is like night and day. On a bad day my Z3 would last till the end of the day (roughly 24 hrs) with about 4-6 hrs screen time, on a good day my XZ would make it till the late evening (roughly 18 hrs) with about 2 hrs screen time.
I think I might go for the XZ1 though. Seems like the more logical choice. There is nothing about the XZ2 that even makes me want to consider it.

Which phone did you pick finally? How satisfied with you with your choice so far?

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Which phone did you pick finally? How satisfied with you with your choice so far?
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I hope he chose XZP because xz1 lost its market value withing weeks! and now the price difference in XZP and XZ1 more or less $100

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I hope he chose XZP because xz1 lost its market value withing weeks! and now the price difference in XZP and XZ1 more or less $100
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XZ1 is just about $60 cheaper than XZP in my region. Probably only thing I don't like about XZP is the glass back design because I tend to drop my phone a lot.
In a mix to pick the right phone for a long time use (2-3 years solid). The other competitors to XZP are Samsung Galaxy S8, LG G6, OnePlus 5/5T, Nokia 8 in my opinion. All of them but Nokia 8 cost around $100-$150 more than XZP here. Nokia 8 sells for nearly $200 cheaper than XZP at the moment.

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XZ1 is just about $60 cheaper than XZP in my region. Probably only thing I don't like about XZP is the glass back design because I tend to drop my phone a lot.
In a mix to pick the right phone for a long time use (2-3 years solid). The other competitors to XZP are Samsung Galaxy S8, LG G6, OnePlus 5/5T, Nokia 8 in my opinion. All of them but Nokia 8 cost around $100-$150 more than XZP here. Nokia 8 sells for nearly $200 cheaper than XZP at the moment.
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1. yes you need to baby sit XZP since its LARGE and glassy! must use bumpy skin to protect it
2. both XZP and XZ1 will definitely gets 3 year of android UPGRADES from sony
3. XZ1 will be remembered as just another phone from sony which came at no significant point. where
4. XZP will definitely be remembered in upcoming years!
I consider Xperia Z, XZ and XZP are the MOST POPULAR models in MARKET and also on XDA where Mods, Roms and kernel Dev is concerned!