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3G AT&T Calls on Fuze: Not Reliable!

I wanted to start this thread to discuss making and receiving phone calls on AT&T's 3G network. I find that making and receiving phone calls while connected to 3g or HSDPA is very unreliable on my Fuze. The phone seems to always connect to H whenever there is any signal available, even if the signal is very low and unreliable.
I will sometimes recieve a call while connected to H and the person cannot hear me at all. I'll look at the phone to see that the H signal strength is very low. Instead of smoothly switching to Edge, the phone completely loses signal and drops the call. After having no signal for around 10 seconds, it will then reconnect to Edge and have 2 or more bars of service. Why couldn't it just switch to Edge without dropping my call? Any why hang on to an HSDPA connection if signal is unusably low?
I see other AT&T customers with 3G phones (Bold, iPhone) and they don't seem to have this same issue. Their phones can remain in 3g mode and work just fine. My only choice seems to leave 3G turned off, but switch it on when I need a fast data connection (a terrible solution).
I used to have Verizon and they just connect you to both their 3g and 2g networks at the same time, you can even see 2 signal meters on most phones. They use the 3G (EVDO) for data and 2G(1xRTT) for voice or data, when 3G is unavailable. Why can't my Fuze do the same thing on AT&T? Clearly, 3G doesn't penetrate building as well as 2G and the phone needs to use both, seamlessly, to work properly.
Just for background, I am using a Fuze with the latest EnergyROM and Radio 1.14.25.35 and matching Rilphone.dll. I have noticed this behavior with other roms and other radios also. I can't remember how stock worked since I haven't had it in such a long time.
Does anyone else notice the same behavior as me and does anyone have any ideas on how to improve the way the phone manages 3G vs Edge during phone calls?
Thanks in advance for anyone who can help me understand and resolve this problem.

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Drop into the ROM section, hit the radio thread. I found better luck dumping the stock radio on the Fuze, and installed a different one.

Any particular one that you recommend? Ideally, a radio that doesn't use 3g unless signal is reasonably strong would be best. Ive tried all of the official Fuze ones without any change in the behavior I described at all. Based on your signature, it seems you are currently using the same radio as I am...

TheSopranos16 said:
Any particular one that you recommend? Ideally, a radio that doesn't use 3g unless signal is reasonably strong would be best. Ive tried all of the official Fuze ones without any change in the behavior I described at all. Based on your signature, it seems you are currently using the same radio as I am...
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I found the newest Xperia radio (1.16.25.48) to be very satisfactory as far as signal strength goes - in fact I had more bars of 3G and dropped a lot less calls because of it. However, you need to be Security Unlocked to flash your phone with that radio. The only problem with the Xperia radio I had was the pitiful GPS accuracy.

sopranos16 where are you located? There are a few cities where users have been complaining about the 3G network. NYC/Northern NJ and San Fransisco are two that come to mind. Check on howardforums.
I'm now using a Fuze because AT&T shipped to to me to replace my Bold which will drop 5-15 calls a day in NYC. I don't believe it is a problem with the Bold, I have other lines with 3G that have problems. But this is the solution they offered so I'll try it.
You cal also check the at&t support forums as there are plenty of complaints there too. I just got the fuze and haven't really tried it yet. See what happens on Monday.

I'm located in central New Jersey: Monmouth County. Edge coverage is pretty good but 3G tends to always have a weaker signal strength and occasionally drops out, especially indoors.

Well the first day in lower Manhattan and not one dropped call. I'll let you know what happens later in the week.

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soprano, did you try the xperia radio? Let us know, I have had this issue for a while now...and your explanation was on the head.
Think I may just go ahead and security unlock my phone.

Network issue

Hi everyone
I have an issue, when I'm on my office the network signal isn't strong so when my One S go to "NO NETWORK" after it don't go back to network.
When the situation is this I can't go to airplane mode, change operator (from settings), the only thing that work is shut down and restart (no fastboot).
Anyone else have this problem?
Maybe is a software bug?
I have the Paul recovery and su
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That don't happen every time that the phone go to "no network".
I think that happen when it a weak signals and are under 2G network.

there are users with similar issues, I only use 2G networks. If i want to do a bit of browsing i will manually change to auto mode, but other than that i always leave it at 2G..
hopefully there will be a radio upgrade soon that should fix this problem...

I'm suffering from the same behavior!
I'm still with the original ROM with no ROOT so I contacted HTC about it yesterday.
I got today their reply today:
"On your phone, kindly go to settings > mobile network > Network mode, kindly change the network mode and check how the signal will respond to each of them.
-Kindly try a different SIM card, to check whether the issue is with the SIM card or the phone itself.
- Soft reset for the device by pressing the power button for 10 seconds.( Note that soft reset erases any unsaved data.)
- Safe mode(which disables any 3rd party application which might be causing conflicts for your device.) for the device by Switching power on , then press and hold volume down when the quietly brilliant logo appears on your screen, you should see 'safe mode' text written on the bottom left of your home screen.
- Factory data reset, kindly backup your data before proceeding with this step please as you will
lose every data on the phone's memory.
Please go to Settings > storage > Factory data reset > Reset phone."
I haven't done anything yet and I didn't notice the 2G issue you mentioned.
I also haven't got this issue for the last 48 hours but did encountered it twice (!!!) on Sunday while driving across the country.
I'll try having the Network on 3G only and see if that matters although the area I leave in is not with good 3G reception.

GSM is 2G
WCDMA is 3G
i use GSM only unless im using the net

I'm aware to the 2G-3G difference
I'm on WCDMA preferred so my phone tries to be on 3G.
My phone also suffers from the 3G<->H data connection jumps while the desire wasn't having any with the same provider (different SIM of course).

sorry, My bad !!
i understand what your saying now
I cant confirm much as my provider doesnt have 3g signals in my area
If i try to use 3g at my home, I have 0 bars thats why i always use 2g

I switched to 3G only (since I have most of the time 3G and surly wants it for the data rate).
I know I have on my way to work and back places with 2G only but I'll give it a try for the coming days and reply.
BTW, just few minutes ago, while having 3G active for sure (before the 3G only switch when it was still on 3G preferred) I couldn't make any phone call although I had 4-5 bars and data connection was running.

Two days ago I tried to change my sim.
Before I had a cutted microsim, now an original microsim and the issue is still present.
Yesterday I had this problem only in afternoon, not in morning and only where the switch from no network -> 2G -> 3G is very very frequent.
In all other times out from office I never had this issue.

I also changed SIM with no help, stayed in 3G network only with no help and observed that when such a network crash happened, GPS reception is also disconnected!
I had no coverage situations with the 3G only mode which recovered, but what we are facing is a network "crash".
Our situation was escalated to technical support of HTC after I wrote them all the data and they tried to solve it over the emails w/o success.

Same problem for me. I tried only 2G, 2G/3G, only 3G, but no way..same problem..i hope an update can solve this..

I just bought my new One S from T-Mobile yesterday and everything appeared to be okay but now I can barely get it to hold a signal. Forget throwing it on GSM only because it will have signal for a whole few seconds before dropping it. I also am having Wi-Fi issues as well. It just intermittently drops the connection there as well... Not a great start!

whether im imagining this or not im not sure, But for me it seems like, When the Network signal increases, the WiFi signal drops, And when the WiFi signal Increases, the Network signal drops...
ive been noticing this for over a week now, So it cant just be coincidence..
I dont think my (or our) handset is faulty, I just think theres a pretty big bug in the ROM, and no matter if you switch ROMs they all use the same base at the moment..
This phone has great potential. But HTC need to be listening to us and release some updates. !!

azzledazzle said:
whether im imagining this or not im not sure, But for me it seems like, When the Network signal increases, the WiFi signal drops, And when the WiFi signal Increases, the Network signal drops...
ive been noticing this for over a week now, So it cant just be coincidence..
I dont think my (or our) handset is faulty, I just think theres a pretty big bug in the ROM, and no matter if you switch ROMs they all use the same base at the moment..
This phone has great potential. But HTC need to be listening to us and release some updates. !!
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I noticed the same exact issue last night. My phone will go to full signal before dropping whichever connection. I'm just glad this phone can handle staying on 4G without draining the battery like crazy although I can only imagine how much further it'd go with 2G.
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worms said:
I have an issue, when I'm on my office the network signal isn't strong so when my One S go to "NO NETWORK" after it don't go back to network.
(...) the only thing that work is shut down and restart (no fastboot).
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Exactly the same here. But I had a different WIFI issue - WIFI won't drop but stay connected - even if I am far away off the AP.

killerm said:
Exactly the same here. But I had a different WIFI issue - WIFI won't drop but stay connected - even if I am far away off the AP.
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that one is also a known bug.
On top of that, WiFi will sometimes stuck at "error" status with no ability to turn it on...
All probably related to the same network chip driver or "Radio"...

I have same network reception problem. When I am in a poor reception area it loose reception all of a sudden and takes a while before getting the signal back. I often toggle flight mode to force network detection. I also think the reception bars don't reflect reality; sometimes it seems I have good 3G reception but cannot surf the web. I fear it is a critical bug. The phone seems unable to handle correctly signal fluctuations and protocol changes (GSM, 3G, HSDPA).

I'm colletting more data about this problem.
First of all I don't have any wifi issue, or maybe I don't see this.
I have a modem with N standard and one with G standard and nothing of this have issue.
About the network issue in this days I never have, only when I'm in office and the signal suck a lot.
Q: Anyone that have Tmobile/mod rom with 1.70 RUU have this issue?

worms said:
I'm colletting more data about this problem.
First of all I don't have any wifi issue, or maybe I don't see this.
I have a modem with N standard and one with G standard and nothing of this have issue.
About the network issue in this days I never have, only when I'm in office and the signal suck a lot.
Q: Anyone that have Tmobile/mod rom with 1.70 RUU have this issue?
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I don't have wifi issue at work with a powerful 802.11n network AP but experienced occasional fake/unstable/disconnect wifi at home with a poor AP which operates on no-one-knows-but-definitely-not-N network. I don't really bother too much cos I can always turn wifi off and on to reconnect.
In terms of 3G/H signal switching problem, yes, a bit annoy especially when playing online game on 3G but accessing internet is fine just need to sometimes wait a bit longer.
I am on international unbranded version in UK.

I've the same problem in France about 3G/2G and wifi on international unbranded version.

Phone signal showing zero bars

I just got a new xperia z5 and I'm using it on att but my phone signal is always showing zero bars.
I get data but incoming calls sometimes don't go through or go through after 2-3 rings.
The signal shows bars when I make outgoing calls but then disappears quickly thereafter. I thought it was maybe WiFi calling enabled but I don't even see that option anywhere in my phone and this happens when WiFi is off too.
This is a very strange phenomenon and can't find any answers anywhere. There is also a small circle with a line going through it on the notification bar, not sure what that is.
Does anybody know what's wrong ?

Small circle with line indicates "do not disturb" mode is active. Its under sound or notification settings, can't remember which. For signal status, check APN. Also, is your IMEI for this phone the Z5 one or an old AT&T phone? If AT&T has your IMEI for the Z5 it will register on their system as an old phone since they don't have Z5 in portfolio. I had to give them an old IMEI off a LTE device from AT&T because it was showing as a P series phone in the system and I was only getting 3G, no LTE.

Just noticed the small circle was for sounds. Thanks
I am getting LTE which is weird because it just not showing any bars on top but the lte works.

No one else has issues with their signal bar on their xperia z5?
This is really strange and can't figure out what's wrong with it.

No issues with the bars per say but definitely issues toggling networks, especially with 3G prefered mode. When 3G prefered selected I only get mobile data when H+ icon shows next to the bars. 3G, 2G and H don't work! The phone sometime takes up to 10-30 seconds to toggle to H+ and be connected. This drives me nuts! Do you guys experience this as well? Today I got no signal at all (no bars, nothing) for two hours.
Stamina is off and I have proper signal.
SFR France btw.

Try to toggle LTE off.
This sounds like an issue I had with a data only SIM in Japan with my S6, except no 2G network was the cause I think, not sure what would cause it on AT&T.
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It's strange because I show full bars when I make an outgoing call or right before someone calls me, all the bars fill up. But it takes 2-3 rings on their side for it to ring on my phone.
And after the call it goes back to zero bars. But I still have the lte sign there.
Is there a way to update the gsm radio?

Same issue here (Z5 on ATT). I get one bar consistently when the phone is idle with the bars filling up when making calls, sending texts, etc., but I do get full LTE speeds and haven't noticed any other problems... I did look at my account, and the Z5 does show up as an "unknown device".
I tried changing APNs from "Attnextgenphone" to just "ATT Phone" but it didn't make a difference...
Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk

I am glad I am not the only one with this issue. At home I get one bar with wifi off and with wifi connected I get zero bars until a call is made or received.
I am located in NYC and have the 32.0.A.6.152 rom and the baseband is 8994-FAAAANAZQ-00029-16

bigneeker said:
I am glad I am not the only one with this issue. At home I get one bar with wifi off and with wifi connected I get zero bars until a call is made or received.
I am located in NYC and have the 32.0.A.6.152 rom and the baseband is 8994-FAAAANAZQ-00029-16
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Exactly the same here (FW and baseband). I'm in CO and I do sometimes get full bars outdoors, but it happens randomly... It's almost for sure a problem on ATTs end considering that they don't even recognize the device on their website.
Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk

Is there a newer baseband that we can upgrade to that will fix this signal issue?
Or de we have to wait till the marshmallow upgrade comes out.

bigneeker said:
I am glad I am not the only one with this issue. At home I get one bar with wifi off and with wifi connected I get zero bars until a call is made or received.
I am located in NYC and have the 32.0.A.6.152 rom and the baseband is 8994-FAAAANAZQ-00029-16
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Hi, it's a high probability that you are seeing bar fluctuations as you suggest because your phone is actually changing bands during this time, because the cell tower pushing your call etc doesn't have the signal strength to push LTE.
As for the OP if his LTE/4G shows higher bars as soon as he is using the internet this is a different issue, and strange maybe faulty hardware.
I would recommend you all go somewhere where you know there is good coverage, even with another phone if possible and see if you still have the same issue.
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bigneeker said:
Is there a newer baseband that we can upgrade to that will fix this signal issue?
Or de we have to wait till the marshmallow upgrade comes out.
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Mate I am not sure the phone suffers from signal issues, I have had most of the Z series phones, all have the exact same signal strengths for me at various locations, and the phone has better coverage than other manufacturers as well, when I compare to other friends in super low coverage areas

Hey @bigneeker,
Just wondering if the MM update has fixed your signal issue.
For me it hasn't, but if it did for you then it might be a region issue (mine was Singapore, but I flashed the MM update for Germany).
Cheers,
-4Strings

It didnt for me

I noticed it too. Sony xperia z5. I use the quick LTE toggle and when LTE is on, all my bars are greyed out, but when LTE is off and I'm on H+ and 3G then all my bars are lit up.

xslikk7 said:
I noticed it too. Sony xperia z5. I use the quick LTE toggle and when LTE is on, all my bars are greyed out, but when LTE is off and I'm on H+ and 3G then all my bars are lit up.
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Same here. Also, whenever I lose signal or inexplicably switch to Edge, toggling the LTE switch off and on seems to fix the issue.
I compared the specs of the Z5 and the specific bands/frequencies AT&T uses, and the problem might be the frequency that they use on Band 12... I don't know.
I don't know about European carriers, but since T-Mobile uses a different band for its LTE, then that might explain why this issue is not that well-covered in the US (though I can't confirm that).
Cheers,
-4
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I'm in Ireland and my signal suddenly went from H+ to Edge then no service. I haven't came across another person with the same issue, my signal goes between H+ and no service most of the time is no service. Tried 5 different firmware and custom rom nothing changed

Signal issue, phone choosing low/0 signal 3g over full LTE

This is driving me nuts, I'd love to know the answer. Here goes: in my room my Pixel 3 either chooses from full LTE signal or one bar of h+ (basically unusable). It seemingly chooses at random. I have gone into phone information and set to only use LTE which immediately switches me to full signal and fast internet speeds. However, when I make this switch people are unable to call me. Any idea what's going on? Why is the phone not using the full strength LTE all the time!? Why would it choose an alternative signal that I can't barley speak to anyone or use the internet! Not sure if I should blame the phone or the provider. I'd love to understand exactly what's going on
FYI I'm on Three and the phone is provisioned for VoLTE. The full signal I'm referring to must be the 800mhz.
Appreciate any advice, thanks

Pixel 3 has really bad signal. Tried to become a sms over 30min in my room. Theres enough signal for it. Not good but enough but on pixel 3 never came on.
Switched into flightmode and turned off but no sms...
I was angry cause i did mobile banking. Never had this probleme bevore. Then i switched sim to nokia8 sirocco and became my sms instantly...
Pixel3 is a nice phone in design but software is ****! Never again a pixel...
Thought on a google phone they pick the best out of a phone but it isnt

Telephone signal bug?

Hello, I'd like to buy a X2 Pro, but while searching some reviews on the web I noticed that many users complain about a terrible bug which affects signal phone...
Precisely, in areas with weak signal, the phone goes to 2g network, and then you have to reboot to gain again full access to 4g/5g...
Others complain about calls closed suddenly during the talking.
Anyone with those problems?
I hope they fixed them with Android 11 updated.

It did happen to me once or twice while being literally in the middle of nowhere that the Oppo remained on 2G while there was 4G available, even though it was not very stable. At the same time the Samsung I use for work managed to keep up 4G nonetheless, and both phones are on the same carrier network (Telekom Germany). So I guess if you happen to live in a REALLY remote/rural area this might be a problem, but other than that I never noticed anything, same goes for calls being interrupted.