Samsung did the curved screen - Galaxy Note 3 General

Samsung did the curved screen - Galaxy Note 3 General

IT'S OFFICIAL
SAMSUNG GODDAMN DID IT
2 NOTES THIS YEAR, THE NORMAL NOTE 4
AND THE
GALAXY NOTE EDGE
*end rant*
Had to do it in caps.
TouchWiz devs, I wish you happy modding with two more sides of a screen.

Omg
All totally disappointing. If you own note 3 compare to what you pay for so little.
Edge was ugly as hell. And what it is useful for? Another gimmick that dies soon.

kenny1991 said:
Omg
All totally disappointing. If you own note 3 compare to what you pay for so little.
Edge was ugly as hell. And what it is useful for? Another gimmick that dies soon.
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All true, it will be some time before I change my Nope 3 and it won't be for a Nope 4.
Gonna wait for the Nope 5, or the first graphene smartphone.

pretty cool, in to minds weither to get the note 4 i have the 3 and its a freaking awesome phone

kenny1991 said:
Omg
All totally disappointing. If you own note 3 compare to what you pay for so little.
Edge was ugly as hell. And what it is useful for? Another gimmick that dies soon.
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It's not about usefulness. Samsung incorporated it as the very first company, meaning everyone after this will not be able to claim 'innovation'.
Nobody thought 5.5" on a Note 1 would be useful, either. Nor when the first smartphone came out, for that matter. And look where we are today.
No, this little edge may not have much use. (On that I agree)
However, this is just the first step. Someone had to be the first, and now it opens the door for other designs, with dual-side screens and full-wrist smart watches a future possibility. Now that, I can see being.
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What bothers me is the two step forward, one step backwards approach. They claim no one used USB 3 so back to USB2, how about fixing stupid USB3 so it's autodetecting, not obscure cumbersome manual menu switch that expires as implemented on Note3? Especially now that more computers actually have USB3. And how come GS5 is waterproof and Note 4 not, is Note 4 not expensive enough to be worth protecting from accidental water damage? If the edge screen is properly implemented it could become standard in the future, but I keep on thinking how do you pick up and hold the phone without accidently activating any of the menus there.
Well, time will tell, I'll check it in the store when available but doubt I will be getting it.

pete4k said:
What bothers me is the two step forward, one step backwards approach. They claim no one used USB 3 so back to USB2, how about fixing stupid USB3 so it's autodetecting, not obscure cumbersome manual menu switch that expires as implemented on Note3? Especially now that more computers actually have USB3. And how come GS5 is waterproof and Note 4 not, is Note 4 not expensive enough to be worth protecting from accidental water damage? If the edge screen is properly implemented it could become standard in the future, but I keep on thinking how do you pick up and hold the phone without accidently activating any of the menus there.
Well, time will tell, I'll check it in the store when available but doubt I will be getting it.
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Still don't see why people want their phones waterproof that badly;
The costs are just alot higher, cause the design needs to be smart enough for it.
To test the ip standards seems to be expensive two..
For me;
I am not planning to swim with my phone, The phone is to big to drop into the toilet, I don't need a stupid thing to close down my micro usb port.
Therefor, My Note 3 has been wet from the rain already like 3-4 times. No problem(So did my gear which hadn't have any problems as well).
Okay, if you can have it; a waterproof phone is awesome, but it just ruins the design.
If you are using such expensive phone, be carefull with it. I never have had a phone with a broken display.. Let me say it better; I never had a phone with scratches that came within my usage. Not even the chrome stripe that comes around the note 3 is damaged.. Just use the proper case and tempered glass..
If you are in need of a phone that needs to be dustproof, waterproof, shockproof; This is not the device you are searching for..
To tell you another story;
I have just bought a One M8 because the build quality is superb, I absolutely love the metal.. Now the story continues and I am using that stupid case that got with it, and it gives protection.. but the build is gone.. I can't go without the case, but I also can't go with something around my phone that ruins that beautiful build. Thats why I have decided to sell my one m8 again(lol). I am just way too carefull with the things I appreciate.

Waterproofing doesn't ruin the design, it should be invisible on the outside, (how Sony Z series or GS5 design is ruined by waterproofing?) which is kind of moot point for you (and me) anyhow since you're using case.
If your phone was wet 3-4 times already (especially that you claim to be so careful with it), you're just lucky, my friends Note 3 stopped working first time he got caught in heavy rain. After 5 days of drying it, it seems to work again but just luck something didn't got burn and he was without a phone for 5 days, since at the beginning it wouldn't even boot. USB port doesn't have to have cover, it could be sealed inside with contacts exposed.
I guess everybody has it's own vision of what his/her perfect phone should be, I'm missing waterproofing the most, as the Note3 meets all my other expectations. I bet your change your mind about waterproofing the first time your expensive phone gets water damage.
We even had a guy on this forums dropping his 2 weeks old Note3 into Jet A fuel tank so things happen when you least expect it.
Don't misunderstand me, Note4 is very nice phone, but would I really see much difference between CPU running 2.3GHz and 2.7 GHz or higher screen resolution? GPU needs to be faster just to keep up with larger number of pixels on screen. Waterproofing would give me piece of mind every time I take my kids to waterpark, beach or just get stuck outside in bad weather.
If it wasn't for S-pen I would look for new phone elsewhere, but there is really no alternative if you want s-pen.
Armazia said:
Still don't see why people want their phones waterproof that badly;
The costs are just alot higher, cause the design needs to be smart enough for it.
To test the ip standards seems to be expensive two..
For me;
I am not planning to swim with my phone, The phone is to big to drop into the toilet, I don't need a stupid thing to close down my micro usb port.
Therefor, My Note 3 has been wet from the rain already like 3-4 times. No problem(So did my gear which hadn't have any problems as well).
Okay, if you can have it; a waterproof phone is awesome, but it just ruins the design.
If you are using such expensive phone, be carefull with it. I never have had a phone with a broken display.. Let me say it better; I never had a phone with scratches that came within my usage. Not even the chrome stripe that comes around the note 3 is damaged.. Just use the proper case and tempered glass..
If you are in need of a phone that needs to be dustproof, waterproof, shockproof; This is not the device you are searching for..
To tell you another story;
I have just bought a One M8 because the build quality is superb, I absolutely love the metal.. Now the story continues and I am using that stupid case that got with it, and it gives protection.. but the build is gone.. I can't go without the case, but I also can't go with something around my phone that ruins that beautiful build. Thats why I have decided to sell my one m8 again(lol). I am just way too carefull with the things I appreciate.
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[Q] Decide my new phone!

Hi guys,
Unfortunately today has been a very upsetting and sad day for me. I took a risk buying a OnePlus One and it has been the best phone that I have ever had, although today has shown that even though it was amazing for me I have had a bad experience with it. As many of you may already know; the OnePlus One is very hard to insure due to it not being the most popular phone and today my phone screen has smashed. Although many of you may think that I'm an idiot for dropping my phone - it was a complete accident and fell out of my pocket, out of the car door and hit a stress point in the bottom left corner. This stress point on the phone was fairly spectacular as it damaged the screen itself with spider cracks running up the whole phone screen and the digitiser failing completely.
I took it apart with my Dad and we both saw that the screens below had smashed as well.
So, apart from the story - what phone should I get?
I'm deciding - although it was the best phone I've ever had - to step away from the OnePlus for two reasons.
The first being that it is hard to insure and even harder to find somewhere in the UK that will actually attempt a repair.
The second being that I've read that in some cases they are charging the price of the phone to repair the screen and getting a hold of a new one is harder because of the invite system that I will have to become a part of again.
So, after that long story - What phone do you think I should get? The LG G3 looks very appealing but the thought of the back buttons puts me off a little bit. Although, there is the iPhone 6 Plus... (If I had no mind).
Could you recommend a phone and why?
Cheers. Jon

This really should go in the dedicated thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179
That said, perhaps a Nexus 6 or a Note 4? Both great phones with top-tier specs.
The Nexus being a Nexus with stock Android and customization freedom, and the Note 4 with the spen and great screen and camera. (and a MicroSD, of thatmatters to you).
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Well I heard great things about Samsung Galaxy Note 4. The photos you make are clear and bright- plus it's a rear and front camera as an extra bonus. The phone has a pen included, where you can copy- paste anything you'd like and share it with friends or save it for later.
Some phone don't have these add ons so if you are a gadget freak, I'd pick this one. Good Luck

Whatever you get, put a damn case on it.

Planterz said:
Whatever you get, put a damn case on it.
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Well put, Planterz.

Well, i should recommend Sony Z3, a Good Phone with high quality build...
Another could be a Nexus 6, excellent phone if you like pure Android, and fast UI and work.

What next? - Moving on

My edge is serving my for almost 2 years now - time for every geek to start looking for a new piece of technology!
So i ask for your opinion for an successor of our nice little phone.
What will / did U buy next: S7(edge), Sony, HTC, Honor .. ?
A screen rather big, a living developer community, maybe water resistance - this is my desire..
a pen, edge screen? - i didn´t use them to often..

S7 Edge, if you wait longer s8
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S7 or S7 Edge is a great choice since you don't need the pen
I wouldn't go to other companies since most of them are not water proof like the S7
Or wait for the S8 like @Aimara said

I don't see a real reason to move from this phone.. I have not seen any relevant update in the latest smartphones.
Yes, you get a slightly faster processor -in real life usage, insignificant improvement- and a barely upgraded camera.. So unless you are just bored of the phone there isn't something really interesting out there.. The s7 edge? is basically this phone with a smaller form factor and edges that doesn't have any sort of special functionality.
For me, smartphones have been basically the same since the iphone 5s- galaxy s4- lg G2 -note 3 generation .. all the new stuff are just gimmicks and performance in real life barely improves at all, because the things that you can do with a phone are limited by the form factor and the small screen and companies have not been creative enough to deliver software that actually can take advantage of the increase in processing power and ram memory.
This phone had the potential to do a lot more stuff than it actually does.. for example: when you open windows in the browser the tabs should be located in the curved panel so you can switch between them easily (like in a desktop).. sadly companies don't give a sh*t about exploiting the potential of their phones a few months after you bought it.. you will get 1 or two updates that change a little bit the look of the notification bar and icons and that's it.. People should stop buying new phones that doesn't do anything new or better than their current phone. We are basically telling companies that we will buy any crap they release even if it barely have any advantage over a 3 years old phone.
Ridiculous high resolution? you have it (1080p was already crisp enough!)
Good camera? you have it
some curve? you have it
Marshmallow? you have it
Nougat? most note edge have an unlocked bootloader now, so eventually you'll have it
A note 7 edge is like us600 you can get a note edge on ebay for us200! it is ridiculous.

rodmc123 said:
I don't see a real reason to move from this phone.. I have not seen any relevant update in the latest smartphones.
Yes, you get a slightly faster processor -in real life usage, insignificant improvement- and a barely upgraded camera.. So unless you are just bored of the phone there isn't something really interesting out there.. The s7 edge? is basically this phone with a smaller form factor and edges that doesn't have any sort of special functionality.
For me, smartphones have been basically the same since the iphone 5s- galaxy s4- lg G2 -note 3 generation .. all the new stuff are just gimmicks and performance in real life barely improves at all, because the things that you can do with a phone are limited by the form factor and the small screen and companies have not been creative enough to deliver software that actually can take advantage of the increase in processing power and ram memory.
This phone had the potential to do a lot more stuff than it actually does.. for example: when you open windows in the browser the tabs should be located in the curved panel so you can switch between them easily (like in a desktop).. sadly companies don't give a sh*t about exploiting the potential of their phones a few months after you bought it.. you will get 1 or two updates that change a little bit the look of the notification bar and icons and that's it.. People should stop buying new phones that doesn't do anything new or better than their current phone. We are basically telling companies that we will buy any crap they release even if it barely have any advantage over a 3 years old phone.
Ridiculous high resolution? you have it (1080p was already crisp enough!)
Good camera? you have it
some curve? you have it
Marshmallow? you have it
Nougat? most note edge have an unlocked bootloader now, so eventually you'll have it
A note 7 edge is like us600 you can get a note edge on ebay for us200! it is ridiculous.
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I agree with all your points. The only thing bad about this phone is the battery. It's cancer. It barely lasts for more than 4 hrs wih max sot of 1.5 hrs. Has to be on a ventilator(readowerbank) for most of the day. And the worst part? Samsung India seems to have branded this device as "obsolete" as Im not able to get an OEM battery from the various Service Centers that i have tried.
This device had the potential to be much much more. Poor dev support(no offence to the few lovely devs we have) , sub par battery is what limited its future prospects:crying::crying::crying:

Root the sucker and get a proper O/S.
Ebay for a battery and don't look back.
From what I've seen,most hardware upgrades are accompanied by more bloated "operating systems".
Why?
So they can sell you a new phone that's already out of date when it's released.
That's the way the computer business works.
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well, these thoughs crossed my mind as well.
it has been the same since my last smartphones: is there anything really better than my device? Anything i can really crave for / at least look forward to?
Our edge is performing fine (even battery) so there is no real need. But hey, i want a new toy! (I deserve a new toy?!)
Please dont tell my to be happy with my edge and better invest the money in a holyday

Try an new operating system .... it'll feel like a new phone.

any good link for battery ?thinking of getting anker brand since oem sucks ?

zuz242 said:
well, these thoughs crossed my mind as well.
it has been the same since my last smartphones: is there anything really better than my device? Anything i can really crave for / at least look forward to?
Our edge is performing fine (even battery) so there is no real need. But hey, i want a new toy! (I deserve a new toy?!)
Please dont tell my to be happy with my edge and better invest the money in a holyday
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Well, in that case just get a nexus or a one plus whatever.. atleast with those you can try a bunch of different roms and mods to keep you entertained. Everyone is talking about the Google Pixel now.. but it looks ugly and boring as hell, for me it looks like a cheap Chinese phone with really cheap paint or an HTC from like 6 years ago.. if it wasn't a "google phone" nobody would even look at that thing.
If you get another phone be careful, it seems those days only T-MO is not blocking the bootloader.. get a phone that is confirmed to receive the new OS soon.. the last thing you want is to get a phone and be stuck in the same OS as your current phone for 6 months.

Within the last 10 days i have purchased a Axon 7 and got a LG V20 today. Gonna sell my Note Edge to a friend. I am currently leaning towards the V20 but the Axon 7 is putting up a dam good fight. Either phone would be a worthy upgrade for different reasons, sans the S-pen imo.

Don't see any reason to upgrade. .. maybe I will root. ..but i use skygo frequently...

rodmc123 said:
Well, in that case just get a nexus or a one plus whatever.. atleast with those you can try a bunch of different roms and mods to keep you entertained. Everyone is talking about the Google Pixel now.. but it looks ugly and boring as hell, for me it looks like a cheap Chinese phone with really cheap paint or an HTC from like 6 years ago.. if it wasn't a "google phone" nobody would even look at that thing.
If you get another phone be careful, it seems those days only T-MO is not blocking the bootloader.. get a phone that is confirmed to receive the new OS soon.. the last thing you want is to get a phone and be stuck in the same OS as your current phone for 6 months.
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T-Mobile still has NEW Note Edge phones at some stores around Atlanta. I am waiting on a warranty replacement for my Note 4, then I might jump to a Note Edge. I just don't feel like keeping a refurbished unit unless it's as good as what I had before. The one that died was in beautiful shape, I kept it in a bumper with a tempered glass screen protector.

I'd keep the Note Edge
*Omnipresent* said:
Within the last 10 days i have purchased a Axon 7 and got a LG V20 today. Gonna sell my Note Edge to a friend. I am currently leaning towards the V20 but the Axon 7 is putting up a dam good fight. Either phone would be a worthy upgrade for different reasons, sans the S-pen imo.
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It could be worth something one day, not many made and the curiosity of it could be a collectors item in the future.

I'm thinking of waiting for the Note 8 Edge, it's gunna have QualComm Quick Charge 4.0 and so just 5 minutes of charging will get ya 5 hours of battery life, along with much better battery safety and protection.

Anybody know where I can get a good battery?
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I'm thinking of waiting for the Note 8 Edge, it's gunna have QualComm Quick Charge 4.0 and so just 5 minutes of charging will get ya 5 hours of battery life, along with much better battery safety and protection.
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Did you ever figure out how to put the Camera button back on the edge screen?

edo101 said:
Did you ever figure out how to put the Camera button back on the edge screen?
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Nope not yet and IDK what's happening with EHZ Studio who said they were working on making one.
You can message them from their facebook page and ask too to see whats up with it
https://www.facebook.com/EHZStudio/ and https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=EHZ+Studios
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edo101 said:
Anybody know where I can get a good battery?
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/ZeroLemon-G...669122?hash=item1a064a1942:g:4XMAAOSwVL1V-wmO ZeroLemon 9000mah but around xda users have reported problems with some batteries only lasting a few months and then it dying and rapidly discharging after so, it's a real gamble I guess. $59.95
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7200mAh-Ext...221215?hash=item4b0ba9bf9f:g:2eIAAOSwHMJYHaks TOTHL 7200mah, have one myself but can't fairly judge, as I've been using my ZeroLemon all the time, nice two layer case 1 hard plastic back and 1 rubber overlay back, definitely worth the bang for it's buck though. $23.30
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Extende...363235?hash=item280e491863:g:CpMAAOSwZ1lWekYX Black Label Brand 8550mah, don't have one, can't judge, but at the price it'd be worth the gamble, if it really is only 50mah's less than the ZeroLemon's size at half the price. $24.58
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7350mAh-Ext...245439?hash=item2a7045bebf:g:1UQAAOSwOdpXznjt Best4Power 7350mah, unknown again, can't fairly judge. $24.58
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Note-Edge-B...660894?hash=item3f70d0a25e:g:fa4AAOSwj85YRfhm YISHDA 6500mah, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, at this sounding like the more/most realistic reasonable battery capacity for it's size, nice two layer case 1 hard plastic back and 1 rubber overlay back. $44.75
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mugen-Power...hash=item54400a1fe0:m:mTl97i6XR1J83fcek8GleJA Mugen 6000mah, only down side I saw on xda user reviews is the metal kickstand gets hot and it covers up the speaker, hell though a kickstand and who can't go wrong with Mugen??? $89.95
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PowerBear-S...900748?hash=item46594c90cc:g:iT4AAOSwx2dYDAKR PowerBear 6800mah up and coming new battery star company, I just recently heard of them a month ago or so when I searched for extended Note Edge batteries and they had solid good reviews, nice two layer case 1 hard plastic back and 1 rubber overlay back. $35.99 These same guys also make Note Edge Slim batteries, I'd trust them over anyone if getting a slim battery and never fall for that doubly extended slim size battery capacity, it's a proven lie if not alone by physics, if ya want double or triple the capacity you'll need double or triple the size.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...+note+.TRS0&_nkw=powerbear+note+edge&_sacat=0 All PowerBear Note Edge Batteries and Cases, Slim, Extended, PowerBank Case
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Review Results: ZeroLemon and Mugen tied in 1st place, I'd put ZeroLemon at 2nd for their mess up on the rapid discharge but it's the biggest if ya get lucky on one that ain't defective, then I'd also give Mugen a 2nd place rating cause of their being the highest priced so this ranking it's a fair placement and I'd place PowerBear at a firm, solid and steady 3rd, newcomers always get it the hardest... LoL! The same size as Mugen for the price of Zerolemon(Or less) though! But watch this review super detailed on the Note 4 7500mah PowerBear battery

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/ZeroLemon-G...669122?hash=item1a064a1942:g:4XMAAOSwVL1V-wmO ZeroLemon
Review Results: ZeroLemon and Mugen tied in 1st place, I'd put ZeroLemon at 2nd for their mess up on the rapid discharge but then I'd also give Mugen a 2nd place rating cause of their high price so this ranking is fair and I'd place PowerBear at a firm and steady 3rd, newcomers always get it the hardest... LoL! The same size as Mugen for the price of Zerolemon(Or less) though! But watch this review super detailed on the Note 4 7500mah PowerBear battery
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Thanks for the exhaustive list. I'll look into it

Before pulling the trigger on this device

I'm just about to pull the trigger on this beautiful foldable, the only thing I'm worried about is that I use my device the most for watching movies, youtube and twitch.
That black bars kinda bother me.
The other thing is about the durability over time of the screen because I think it will eventually brake after some years of folds. Am I wrong?
Please help me decide beetween this and Oppo Find X2 pro. (I don't care about the price tag as I want to keep the new device for at least 4 years and enjoy it the most)
About my second choice is because I want to fully enjoy a QHD 120hz display and I'm not worried about the battery life for many reasons.. (I had that device and was perfect for me but I experience some pink tint issues so I asked for a refund)
I don't really like do the lottery and hope for a better screen with Oppo or Oneplus screen.
I hope someone can help me.. thank you in advance,
Alessio

You're going to get black bars because of the screen ratio of the device when unfolded. You get smaller black bars when watching in landscape unfolded, but then the camera hole punch cuts into the video content. In portrait you get bigger bars and smaller content, but the hole punch is within the top black bar.
As for durability, I've read Samsung have tested for a certain number of folding/unfolding which equates to opening the device 100 times a day for 5 years. I can't remember where I read this and can't find anything when Googling.

It's supposed to be rated for 200,000 folds. Check out the Fold 1 Forums and ask folks about durability. The Fold2 is supposed to be a lot better.
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I've had mine for 2 days now. My previous phone was a Galaxy S20 Ultra which I'm now putting up for sale. Before getting the Z Fold 2, I also bought a Surface Duo, used it for a day and hated it, so I returned it.
It has been a learning curve with the Z Fold 2 because it's such a different device. Still not sure I love it but it's definitely growing on me. The weirdest thing was getting used to the small cover screen but I am now used to that.
I will say that the hardware is fantastic although it is a more fragile phone because of the folding screen and lack of water and dust proofing.
I don't think I'm going to have issues with the screen as long as I don't fold with something in it or press it too hard. The black bars don't bother me - that's just a result of the screen having such odd aspect ratio. The screen is a beauty. I still can't believe Samsung pulled this off. Yes the crease is there but really not an issue.
The only other issue I have with it is how slick it is since my case hasn't arrived yet but I expect that to not be an issue with a case.
I think if you decide to go for this phone, you'll like it a lot as long as you are willing to go through the learning curve of the new form factor. Worst case scenario you can always return it for a refund.

I saw it as a brilliant yet highly flawed device when I got it. Now I cant use a regular phone anymore, they're completely ruined for me. I would have preferred the device be wider because I still don't like the front screen to this day and a little wider would be all it takes to fix it. That inner screen though, shes a beauty. The internet is so much easier to browse in that format, games look fantastic, videos are unfortunately not as good as they could be thanks to the idiotic placement of the inner camera. Yeah, I know why the decided to put it there and I disagree with the decision. This phone is all about that screen and the stupid placement makes videos smaller than they should be or puts a hole in them. Neither should have been happening because it hurts the phones best attribute. As I said; flawed. I cant however go back, regular phones seem ridiculously limiting now.

I upgraded from the OG Fold and love the 2, Marked improvement all over.
The hinge is also a lot stiffer with the added functionality in the Fold 2
Watching content doesn't bother me, you get used to the black bars and it's still a much bigger viewing area than a regular phone.
My only concern is you wanting to keep it for 4 years, this is obviously new technology so no one is going to be able to say whether it can last for that length of time. I had the fold one near 9 months and never had 1 issue with it, no issues with the screen or folding.

I go with a Note. They will last 4 years and are dust/water sealed, add a good case and you're good to go.
If you charge the battery wisely (40-65% charges) you may get 4 years out of it too.
The 10+ is a proven performer and comes loaded with Pie if you prefer that OS as I do. It's got 2 OS upgrades so it should take it to 11 at least.
The 20U may have some minor issues but it seems like a solid Note.
Both support massive SD cards and are fun, fast, responsive machines with drop dead gorgeous displays.
Samsung has over extended its self both technically and financially on the Fold devices I think to spite all the glowing reviews.
Browse the forums of other current Samsung models here to get a better idea of just how small the niche is for this device. Its novelty alone will make it harder to get online tech support for. Samsung online/phone support sucks; some of the worst I ever experienced.
I blew off upgrading to the 20U because Samsung didn't give me anymore bang for the buck than my 10+.
In addition to that was Android Q with its scope storage is a performance hit not seen with Pie. It will also render legacy apks I use a lot most likely unusable.
If the Notes don't provide enough real estate, the Fold 2 be your only choice for now. The next generation should be better.
Lol, Samsung claims the conformal coating on the Fold 2's PCBs are it's waterproofing. Pure hogwash; all the switches and micro connectors are vulnerable.
I would never even consider a smartphone without water and dust sealing. Even my ancient first flip phone had them.
10 years latter it's still functional...

blackhawk said:
I go with a Note. They will last 4 years and are dust/water sealed, add a good case and you're good to go.
If you charge the battery wisely (40-65% charges) you may get 4 years out of it too.
The 10+ is a proven performer and comes loaded with Pie if you prefer that OS as I do. It's got 2 OS upgrades so it should take it to 11 at least.
The 20U may have some minor issues but it seems like a solid Note.
Both support massive SD cards and are fun, fast, responsive machines with drop dead gorgeous displays.
Samsung has over extended its self both technically and financially on the Fold devices I think to spite all the glowing reviews.
Browse the forums of other current Samsung models here to get a better idea of just how small the niche is for this device. Its novelty alone will make it harder to get online tech support for. Samsung online/phone support sucks; some of the worst I ever experienced.
I blew off upgrading to the 20U because Samsung didn't give me anymore bang for the buck than my 10+.
In addition to that was Android Q with its scope storage is a performance hit not seen with Pie. It will also render legacy apks I use a lot most likely unusable.
If the Notes don't provide enough real estate, the Fold 2 be your only choice for now. The next generation should be better.
Lol, Samsung claims the conformal coating on the Fold 2's PCBs are it's waterproofing. Pure hogwash; all the switches and micro connectors are vulnerable.
I would never even consider a smartphone without water and dust sealing. Even my ancient first flip phone had them.
10 years latter it's still functional...
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Do you actually own a Z Fold 2?

The render legacy apks unusable was laughable, that's for sure. He does not own the phone, he's been here trolling for quite a while.

krabman said:
The render legacy apks unusable was laughable, that's for sure. He does not own the phone, he's been here trolling for quite a while.
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Q renders (or soon will) many legacy apks unusable not the Z. Not so funny if you're running Q...
It's a prototype. I build prototype$ not buy them.
I am however fascinated in this product in more ways than one... Samsung gro$$ly overextended themselves on this product line and the game they're playing isn't low poker.

TheMountain said:
I'm just about to pull the trigger on this beautiful foldable, the only thing I'm worried about is that I use my device the most for watching movies, youtube and twitch.
That black bars kinda bother me.
The other thing is about the durability over time of the screen because I think it will eventually brake after some years of folds. Am I wrong?
Please help me decide beetween this and Oppo Find X2 pro. (I don't care about the price tag as I want to keep the new device for at least 4 years and enjoy it the most)
About my second choice is because I want to fully enjoy a QHD 120hz display and I'm not worried about the battery life for many reasons.. (I had that device and was perfect for me but I experience some pink tint issues so I asked for a refund)
I don't really like do the lottery and hope for a better screen with Oppo or Oneplus screen.
I hope someone can help me.. thank you in advance,
Alessio
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Sorry i'm late to the party!!! So i came from a Find X2 pro to the Fold 2 and honestly i love the fold 2. I work at a Machine shop and my fold 2 has been perfectly fine (im not saying its the most durable phone on earth , but it definetly feels like its gonna be just fine). if there were any major drawbacks id say the lack of cases that protect the hinge spine , and the crappy rubber inner screen protector (which has been removed),and the cameras (comparing to the Find x2 pro directly) .
overall the black bars while watching youtube i can live with cause it has so much real estate on the inner screen that it quickly became something i dont notice anymore.
The cameras are good not the best but good, the find x2 pro camera was fantastic.
My main issue has to be cases, i currently have 6 cases (araree bonnet wallet,spigen thin fit,gkk thin fit,2xchinese "leather back" cases,ringke clear) and the Araree bonnet is the only one that protects the spine yet its awkward to use when folded(back of case digs into finger when holding 1 handed and cover hanging is a minor annoyance) when open the case is ok. all the other cases yeild the same result , when closed they protect the front & back but leave the spine exposed when folded. so its a catch 22 in the case department.
I also applied a Dbrand teardown skin "ultramatte" and its awesome cause the black back of the phone was a fingerprint haven.
So im sure ive rambled enough haha, but i would honestly say overall even with the drawbacks id take the fold 2 over the find x2 pro if i had to choose again.
also i ordered the Spigen Tough Armor (which seems like it will be a good case protecting the spine/hinge and not being "in the way"when used folded like the araree bonnet)
Either way both phones are really good im sure you'll be happy with either

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The render legacy apks unusable was laughable, that's for sure. He does not own the phone, he's been here trolling for quite a while.
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Sounds about right. He doesn't own one and is here just trolling away.

I'm not sure what the point of going to a sub section and complaining about a phone you don't own and aren't going to buy is but it happens often enough here. I completely understand the posts where people say they are disappointed about a device as it comes out, are moving elsewhere, and the why. These posts can be useful to those on the fence. To go back to this device I still think while flawed it's an amazing piece of kit and more than any other phone I've ever encountered; one you really have to use to fully get. It's unfortunate the entry fee is so steep as to make test driving one unreasonable for most.

Honestly I have had every note that Samsung has made and my secondary device is a note 20. I am now spoiled I have had my zfold 2 a month and I can't go back to a regular phone ever again. I'm a fold loyalist from now on

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Honestly I have had every note that Samsung has made and my secondary device is a note 20. I am now spoiled I have had my zfold 2 a month and I can't go back to a regular phone ever again. I'm a fold loyalist from now on
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Well said... I had the fold1 and now the fold2 and can't imagine going back to a "normal" mobile phone again... regardless of brand.

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Honestly I have had every note that Samsung has made and my secondary device is a note 20. I am now spoiled I have had my zfold 2 a month and I can't go back to a regular phone ever again. I'm a fold loyalist from now on
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I'm a Note loyalist but I've been playing with the ZF2 at Best Buy and am in love with it. Can't decide if I can give up my SPen though.

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I'm a Note loyalist but I've been playing with the ZF2 at Best Buy and am in love with it. Can't decide if I can give up my SPen though.
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Next year, the fold 3 is replacing the note line and getting a Spend.

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Next year, the fold 3 is replacing the note line and getting a Spend.
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Yeah, I knew that was the latest rumor. It's one reason I'm considering the Fold 2 now. Might as well grab it, because it will have a higher trade in value next year when I get the Fold 3, LOL.

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So they are saying.
So far the durability has been lacking and the price is higher than I pay for a laptop.
The Fold sales have been dismal thus far... if that tells you something.
Sparkling reviews, all of them.
What's wrong with this picture?
I don't share Samsung's enthusiasm and they grossly overextended themselves trying to develop this technology. Their other expensive phones suffered as a result and during a worldwide economic downturn at that. Brilliant.
The Edsel was a similar money sinkhole released during a recession. That ended well.
I call snake eyes.
Break away in a wide track Pontiac GTO... :laugh:
* And maybe tri-fold phone. Oh my... hold on to your hats:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mspowe...old-smartphone-bandwagon-with-new-patent/amp/
Apple sounds amused, maybe nervous:
https://www.patentlyapple.com/paten...-continue-to-work-on-a-next-gen-tri-fold.html

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Without a shadow of a doubt the Fold 2 is the best mobile device i have owned in over 20 years of owning a mobile. Durability is perfectly fine (for me), battery life is excellent, (i get 9hrs SOT with the 90hz app) and the main foldable screen is amazing with or without the factory fitted film protector.
The front screen is still slightly too narrow to make the device 100% perfect but perhaps next years Fold3 will resolve that outstanding issue...
I can't imagine ever going back to a "normal" candy bar style phone ever again.
Yes foldable devices are currently hugely expensive but as an early adopter I accept i have chosen to pay more than the average consumer would. Hopefully (!) In a couple of years Samsung will be able to sell a fold5 for 100 or 200 £$€ more than the equivalent S23 Ultra price.

Thinking about selling my z fold 2(not a sale post)

I love this device . Best phone I ever owned . opening up to a tablet still feels like magic after months of owning it .but I'm thinking about selling it .why you ask ? Because I just had to pay 150 to get the inside screen replaced . I opened it up a week ago with a crack going down the left side of the screen .no issues with the lcd just the thin glass was cracked .I baby this phone .I don't take it out the house often .never gave dropped it or abused it in any way . And honestly would have felt better about the crack if I knew how it happened . But there it was and a week later I'm getting my fold 2 back tommorow . Now what to do ? Keep using it for who knows just for it to" magically "crack again and have to pay over 500 dollars to get it fixed again . I'm tempted to just trade it to someone for another phone plus cash . thoughts ??

I fully understand your thoughts. I think the novelty and excitement of having big screen at hand anytime I want is now gone. I am finding myself cleaning the inside screen every night, even if I didn't open the screen at all that day, I am just paranoid just to see the dust sitting on it. And there is dust all the time. The constant cleaning of fingerprints makes me mad. I did dropped my phone already when I had it for just 2 weeks, from about 2 feet to carpet floor!!! and the front screen cracked in the corner immediately. I have dropped my phones from that height before and nothing ever happened. Samsung replaced the screen next day for $130.00. I have owned every single Note phone from Note 1 and never was so scared about dropping the phone, scratches on the body or dust on the screen. I am really getting tired of it. Right before the Z Fold I bought Note 20 Ultra that I still keep just in case. I do compare the 2 phones often, and I do miss the S pen a lot. So, I think of selling the Z Fold as well. On top of this, there is no good protective case for the Fold at this time and given the design, I don't see good working functional case in the future. I am using Leather Flip Cover now, it's ok, but not perfect.
I have Book cover on the Note and it works much better. The size of the screen on Note 20 Ultra is not that much smaller than opened Z fold screen anyway. And the seam in the middle of the inner screen has now developed 2 weird bumps that starts to bother me. Well, tough decisions, since it looks like Samsung will probably kill the Note line in the future and go the Fold way anyway..

Update . Traded my z fold for a OnePlus 8 pro and a iPhone 12 pro max today so far no regrets and I'll get another fold one day . Fun device while I had it

Very difficult to go back to the regular screen for me personally
Me using 12 pro max too. So dont regret anything

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Update . Traded my z fold for a OnePlus 8 pro and a iPhone 12 pro max today so far no regrets and I'll get another fold one day . Fun device while I had it
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The oneplus 8 pro is the bomb. I've had one for a while and keep going back to it over my Note 20 Ultra. I've just recently re-entered the Fold 2 community because samsung is offering $1000 for my old Note 10 plus. Couldn't turn it down, lol.

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Update . Traded my z fold for a OnePlus 8 pro and a iPhone 12 pro max today so far no regrets and I'll get another fold one day . Fun device while I had it
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Hope you adapt to and enjoy your new device.
The Sammy Fold series continues to be a disaster. Betaware that forces the customer to suck up Samsung prototyping experimental issues of their imperfect folding technology.
Plus no SD card support, not water or dust proof and as a bonus it spontaneously self destructs, a real masterpiece (as Pappy Boyington would have said).
I don't fault you one bit for bailing; a wise move.

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I fully understand your thoughts. I think the novelty and excitement of having big screen at hand anytime I want is now gone. I am finding myself cleaning the inside screen every night, even if I didn't open the screen at all that day, I am just paranoid just to see the dust sitting on it. And there is dust all the time. The constant cleaning of fingerprints makes me mad. I did dropped my phone already when I had it for just 2 weeks, from about 2 feet to carpet floor!!! and the front screen cracked in the corner immediately. I have dropped my phones from that height before and nothing ever happened. Samsung replaced the screen next day for $130.00. I have owned every single Note phone from Note 1 and never was so scared about dropping the phone, scratches on the body or dust on the screen. I am really getting tired of it. Right before the Z Fold I bought Note 20 Ultra that I still keep just in case. I do compare the 2 phones often, and I do miss the S pen a lot. So, I think of selling the Z Fold as well. On top of this, there is no good protective case for the Fold at this time and given the design, I don't see good working functional case in the future. I am using Leather Flip Cover now, it's ok, but not perfect.
I have Book cover on the Note and it works much better. The size of the screen on Note 20 Ultra is not that much smaller than opened Z fold screen anyway. And the seam in the middle of the inner screen has now developed 2 weird bumps that starts to bother me. Well, tough decisions, since it looks like Samsung will probably kill the Note line in the future and go the Fold way anyway..
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im using Spigen thin armor pro for protection... best case i had so far and super sturdy... costs $90 tho.

I have a a Note 9 and I've been spending a lot of time debating the Note 20 Ultra vs the Fold 2 but can't make my mind up, I'm not considering the S21 since it loses micro SD and integrated S-pen but doesn't have anything like the folding screen to make up for it. Some users seem to find the appeal of the Fold 2 wears off but others find they can't go back to normal phones.
I've always loved the idea of the Fold and can live with the higher cost if I like the phone but it makes it pricey if I change my mind plus I lose the sd slot and spen and I am concerned about durability as there's a few posts about damaged screens like this one. I do appreciate that problems on forums are going to be exaggerated though.
I'm keen to hear on any other Fold 2 experiences.

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I have a a Note 9 and I've been spending a lot of time debating the Note 20 Ultra vs the Fold 2 but can't make my mind up, I'm not considering the S21 since it loses micro SD and integrated S-pen but doesn't have anything like the folding screen to make up for it. Some users seem to find the appeal of the Fold 2 wears off but others find they can't go back to normal phones.
I've always loved the idea of the Fold and can live with the higher cost if I like the phone but it makes it pricey if I change my mind plus I lose the sd slot and spen and I am concerned about durability as there's a few posts about damaged screens like this one. I do appreciate that problems on forums are going to be exaggerated though.
I'm keen to hear on any other Fold 2 experiences.
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I can only tell you from my experience, the fold 2 is a terrific phone IF:
- You are OK with dealing with a thick device
- You will need a case. Its glass and expensive, and with a lot of actual opening and closing maneuvers there is always a chance of slipping out of hand (well only happened twice for me, but still)
- Formfactor hinders case designs, I am using the slim armor pro which has awesome protection rating but 2 main Issues. One, it's expensive and difficult to find in my country and 2, it makes the phone bulky still.
- front screen is narrow but then that makes it easy to reach with one hand. I really don't have a problem here.
- no SD card support, I used to use a 400Gb card with my note 20 ultra, to store pics and videos. But with fold 2, I just realised I have almost 140GB free from a total of 256GB. No gimmicky 8k Video here (I never really enjoyed it in note 20 U, 4k with stabilisation was far superior). I also used to offload apps onto the micro SD card but each time the app updated, I had to manually move the apps again. I think 512GB Would suffice if you really need an sd card. It's my use case and yours could obviously be different.
But all things said, I love the phone. Every single person notices it and goes "WHAAAAATT??? AWESOME"... Some relate it to the Nokia communicators though (being narrow and thick)
About the fragility of the phone, well after I have started using the slim armor I have never babied the phone... heck I even dropped it more than a couple of times (in closed position). I have realised that the phone really isn't that flimsy... may be I got one from a good batch coz I hear horror stores, but that's where the warranty comes in ( well in my country samsung warranty is a lengthy process BTW).
Foldables and rollables will be a thing soon but they will remain top of the line for a few years.
I am an artist myself, I use the S pen to sketch and draw and for me spen is super useful, it's a shame that fold 2 can't use it. But I have a Samsung tab s4 just for that (was cheap and serves my purpose). IF you can wait for a few more months, I hear the fold 3 will support spen and if s pen is really important to you, why not get the note 20u now (prices have dropped) and get the fold 3 later? You could be saving quite a bit.

For what it's worth:
I was uncomfortable foraging into experimental phones again as I had the Note Edge. Tons of "nay sayers" then and it transformed future phones...
I am pleased I own this device!
There have always been voices against innovation as it begins its assent until it proves worthy in their personal experience.Same with the Z Fold 2...
Yes it's an expensive device, not as fragile as expected, bulky and heavier than my N10+, no "attached" Spen, though an absolute joy to use as it fits my needs: leaving ALL devices behind save this one for business and pleasure.
It's been in the 2-piece best designed case i could find since I pulled it out of the box (heard good things about Spigen though didn't want m o r e bulk) and have been using a wonderful stylus that duplicates most of the Spen without the cool tricks. I use a ring holder device stuck to the back which absolutely helps with weight and balance. Don't miss the SD card as got weened off dependancy owning a Note 5; great for convenience though many solutions abound (using a 1TB external drive). Since enrolling in Samsung's Device Buy Back Program this phone is more of a "lease" until the Z Fold 3.
Maybe I am blessed with no issues in the first month of ownership though most issues with phones are "operator errors" I've found in my experience owning mobile phones since 1991. Your mileage may vary... good luck. Peace

Thanks for posting your thoughts.
I can manage without an SD card and an S-pen but they are handy features and I have to accept I'll lose the notification light and headphone socket but it makes paying a good chunk of money for a new phone a bit less desirable when losing these. I'm generally happy with the Note 9 and the reason I'm considering these phones is to get the ultrawide lens, I was about to buy one for my camera at around £1300 but then started thinking maybe the money would be better spent on a phone with an ultrawide lens instead. I tend to find I like to leave the super telephoto lens on the camera and then just use the phone for normal wide angle shots since they tend not to benefit so much from the dedicated camera and I have a slightly older ultrawide setup I can use for property shoots or whatever.

Johnmcl7 said:
Thanks for posting your thoughts.
I can manage without an SD card and an S-pen but they are handy features and I have to accept I'll lose the notification light and headphone socket but it makes paying a good chunk of money for a new phone a bit less desirable when losing these. I'm generally happy with the Note 9 and the reason I'm considering these phones is to get the ultrawide lens, I was about to buy one for my camera at around £1300 but then started thinking maybe the money would be better spent on a phone with an ultrawide lens instead. I tend to find I like to leave the super telephoto lens on the camera and then just use the phone for normal wide angle shots since they tend not to benefit so much from the dedicated camera and I have a slightly older ultrawide setup I can use for property shoots or whatever.
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Hey man... the cameras on this device are good though the Note 10+
Johnmcl7 said:
Thanks for posting your thoughts.
I can manage without an SD card and an S-pen but they are handy features and I have to accept I'll lose the notification light and headphone socket but it makes paying a good chunk of money for a new phone a bit less desirable when losing these. I'm generally happy with the Note 9 and the reason I'm considering these phones is to get the ultrawide lens, I was about to buy one for my camera at around £1300 but then started thinking maybe the money would be better spent on a phone with an ultrawide lens instead. I tend to find I like to leave the super telephoto lens on the camera and then just use the phone for normal wide angle shots since they tend not to benefit so much from the dedicated camera and I have a slightly older ultrawide setup I can use for property shoots or whatever.
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Hey man, here's hoping you create the perfect lens set up for yourself! ;-) I don't know if it's my eye or the zf2 camera specs, seems my N10+ was a better shooter. Oh well...
BTW, I had spoken with ZF2 concierge regarding Edge Lighting +, (Good Lock and selfie camera light notifications), and he said with the new update coming it would be turned on for the unlocked Samsung devices. Hmm. We'll see. Peace

From what I've read that sounds right about the Fold 2's camera not being quite as good which also should really point me more towards the N20 Ultra.

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From what I've read that sounds right about the Fold 2's camera not being quite as good which also should really point me more towards the N20 Ultra.
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I have both note 20 U and zf2, I don't know why people think note 20 ultras cameras are better, quality wise?.. IMHO, they both are neck and neck.. ofcourse you miss 5x zoom, totally useless 24fps 8k and the ever so lovely DOF from the 108mp camera but that's it... quality wise they are both great... you would find it difficult to vote one over the other in a blind test..
Here, have attached few pics from one of my vacation trip recently taken with zf2.. the pickup one, increase brightness and go into a dark room... look at the stars.. I think these are good results..what do you think?

The Note 20 Ultra has better camera sensors than the Z Fold 2, I assume it was one of the compromises made on the Fold to keep the already high cost down. The dark shots posted don't really show much as they're severely underexposed which avoids using a higher iso setting which is an area the Note 20 is better at.

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The Note 20 Ultra has better camera sensors than the Z Fold 2, I assume it was one of the compromises made on the Fold to keep the already high cost down. The dark shots posted don't really show much as they're severely underexposed which avoids using a higher iso setting which is an area the Note 20 is better at.
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Dark shot wasn't shot in night mode, I used pro mode. I opted for that look. Yes you are correct n20U has bigger sensor but I don't care about the technicalities here. As a user who owns both (uses both with no partiality AT ALL, After all I paid for both), I don't see any perceivable difference except for the ones I mentioned in my previous post. All I am trying to say here is, if camera quality is your criteria then let it not be. There are other things I noticed while using both. One, the fold is a thick boy and you will notice it
in your pocket. And the weight is also much more than note 20U (your pinky finger will feel it on extended use when closed).. but the inner screen kind of makes up for it. Second, there is always this thought of fragility associated with fold2. I mean I know by now that it is pretty robust, still if I am passing it to a friend to look at, I tell them to be careful with the inner screen. Third, the cases for the zf2 are very very limited, I didn't have a case for 2 months and I can't tell you how scared and careful I was. and lastly, not many people will tell you this, but if you are watching anything more wider than 16:9, note 20 has the bigger picture than zf2 as note 20 u is taller than zf2 so in landscape mode, the almost square zf2 is restricted by the screen width in the x axis.
I use both the phones on a daily basis, and Let me tell you my honest opinion, as a phone n20u is awesome, but the moment you open the zf2 you are in bliss.

OP I respect the fact that you sold your phone and got a device that made you feel more comfortable. For anyone else interested, I'm coming from the OG Fold that I babied for months until I got comfortable with it. After having for almost a year, I was using Dex and upon disconnecting the HDMI cable the edge hit my screen and killed a few pixels. I should have had it folded shut and it never would have happened. I ended up getting it replaced under warranty as there was no other damage to the phone. They concluded it was just some dead pixels even though I told them what happened.
So now I've had my Fold 2 for a month. I love it even more and I do not set it down unless it's folded! But I will keep the insurance on my phone for the first time in many years. This is one of the few phones that it may actually be worth carrying the insurance, and that, along with the durability of the first Fold for over a year of use, gives me the piece of mind to carry this phone as a daily driver.

Johnmcl7 said:
I have a a Note 9 and I've been spending a lot of time debating the Note 20 Ultra vs the Fold 2 but can't make my mind up, I'm not considering the S21 since it loses micro SD and integrated S-pen but doesn't have anything like the folding screen to make up for it. Some users seem to find the appeal of the Fold 2 wears off but others find they can't go back to normal phones.
I've always loved the idea of the Fold and can live with the higher cost if I like the phone but it makes it pricey if I change my mind plus I lose the sd slot and spen and I am concerned about durability as there's a few posts about damaged screens like this one. I do appreciate that problems on forums are going to be exaggerated though.
I'm keen to hear on any other Fold 2 experiences.
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I've owned both, N20U and Fold2 at the same time. I traded in my Note 9 for an N20U. At the time, I was daily driving my Note 10 Plus. I traded in my Note 10 Plus for my Fold2. The battery life on my N20U was actually shorter than my Note 10 Plus. Disappointingly so. At 1440 or 1080 with adaptive, I was averaging 4.5H of SOT whereas I was averaging 6H on my Note 10 Plus. Anyhow, I ended up buying a Fold 2 for the novelty of it.
Pros
The folding and unfolding does not get old. It is magic each and every time.
Battery endurance (I'm averaging 5.5 to 6.5H of SOT at 1440 adaptive within 20-24H of usage in between charges).
Camera's are good.
Cons
Inner display cover is gross. It almost feels like you are using an old Windows phone with a resistive touch screen.
Camera's are not Sammy's best (N20U) and for the cost of the Fold, you want the best camera possible.
Dumb aspect ratios.
Fragility of design will always plague your mind.
I gave my N20U to my wife and she loves it as much as I love my Fold2. It is far from perfect, however it works for me and I am genuinely pleased with my overall experience.
I daily my Fold2. I've dropped it face down, closed and onto my hardwood floor without injury. I put it into my linty jean pockets with no issues. I'm not careless with it, however I've stopped babying it weeks ago and it is holding up just fine.
Hope this helps

I spotted a good deal on a brand new fold 2 and decided to give it a go, so far I absolutely love it. I'm still getting the hang of using apps on the outside and inside but it's such a lovely device to use when it's open it's worth the compromises.
Thanks for posting all your opinions on the two devices.

Question Another (yet, a bit different) screen protector question

Hi Guys,
So, my original screen protector that came with the phone developed a crack right in the middle of the hinge (surprise surprise) after about 4 months of use.
I contacted Samsung here in Israel, and asked about getting an OEM replacement (paying for it was ok for me).
The answer i received was that they don't replace the screen protector with the OEM one, since these only go on new screens that are replaced for customers.
They can install a screen protector with one of those machines they have in stores that laser-cut a blank piece of TPU protector to the size of any Samsung device, but after trying that (left the phone unfolded for 24 hours as suggested) a day after the installation a "rainbow-effect" line appeared across the crease.
So, my current situation is:
A. They cannot offer an OEM screen protector (which will obviously be the best fit)
B. I, officially, cannot replace the screen protector myself since it will void the warranty (and we all know that a good 3rd party protector is hard to find if any)
C. The alternative they somewhat offer is not suitable for a folding phone (even the sales reps I talked to confirm this)
Is anyone else in the same situation?
Are there Samsung retailers in other geographies that do offer OEM screen replacements?
It honestly feels as if I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place with no viable alternative to go for.

Samsung knew delamination and cracking would plague this design. The plastics and adhesives aren't up to the task. Leonardo da Vinci and Nicola Tesla had similar problems of inventing devices decades, centuries before there was the proper material technology to build them.
You can live with it as is.
Bug Samsung to replace the protector until you break them.
Use no protector which will invariably lead to scratches.
Try a hydrocell wet apply protector like Gorilla IQ Sheild if they exist for that device. They may well fail too at the fold seam but are cheap, easy to repair and replace.
This -is- Samsung's fault... make them own it.

blackhawk said:
Samsung knew delamination and cracking would plague this design. The plastics and adhesives aren't up to the task. Leonardo da Vinci and Nicola Tesla had similar problems of inventing devices decades, centuries before there was the proper material technology to build them.
You can live with it as is.
Bug Samsung to replace the protector until you break them.
Use no protector which will invariably lead to scratches.
Try a hydrocell wet apply protector like Gorilla IQ Sheild if they exist for that device. They may well fail too at the fold seam but are cheap, easy to repair and replace.
This -is- Samsung's fault... make them own it.
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since this screen is really just two tiny screems connected at the center by a tiny sliver of screen, they ideally could have made the sliver more easilty replaceable, and the two screens more robust, but we know that will never happen cuz these corporations salivate like pavlovs dog.at the sound of phones dropping, screens cracking, hearts breaking.

If that ever happened to me I would probably try the 'new premium Dome Silk film' apparently it's very good and fairly priced and hope that nobody would notice (or care) if it ever had to go in for repairs!
Thinking of getting one myself even though there's nothing really wrong with my OEM screen protector except for that plasticity feel.
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After many months of scouring the internet and more money spent than I'd like to admit, I have finally found what I would consider a better screen protector than even the OEM installed one from Samsung. I have tried close to 10 different...
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since this screen is really just two tiny screems connected at the center by a tiny sliver of screen, they ideally could have made the sliver more easilty replaceable, and the two screens more robust, but we know that will never happen cuz these corporations salivate like pavlovs dog.at the sound of phones dropping, screens cracking, hearts breaking.
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You could custom fit 2 protectors but that may prove annoying. Wet apply hydrocell protectors are easy to align. Cut a sharp razor and straight egde without stretching the plastic at all. Any stretching will cause the application to fail.
The paradox is that the thicker the flexible plastic is the more likely it is to fail at the bend.
Some say the Fold holds up well to drops, don't know and wouldn't care to test that. Guess you could take the approach with the displays that I take with batteries; they are a maintenance item you know will need replaced. A backup phone be good to have to take off the pressure of repair.
In my case I got a 2nd N10+ a couple months ago.
In the last 2 years Samsung hasn't released anything I want. Still happy with my N10+'s.
Samsung has invested very heavily in developing this technology at the cost to their other flagship phones. Someone should remind Samsung what the definition for insanity is...
Planned obsolescence, one thing Samsung is trying to accomplish is this. 70 years ago GMC did it with their cars, different colors and of course style every year to entice customers to buy a new one. This is a benign planned obsolescence. When the device in question literally falls apart or fails to function then it turns into forced obsolescence.
Apple pioneered this 20 years ago with the $240 replacement battery and deliberately making device updates that crippled older iPhones. Samsung seems to be following Apple's lead like a lost puppy. First the 3.5mm jack, the SD card and Samsung's none Apple innovation, the Fold that literally comes apart at the seems.

There are third party replacements out there that will "work" until (read: if) they come through and start replacing the protectors officially.
The ones that worked best applied from the center. Get two. Possibly even get three. The first time is going to come out terrible and the center will bubble. That's the learning curve (no pun intended) for getting used to how the crease changes the application.
Having thrown that one away, the second one should be much easier. The protectors I tried had a center patch you put on first. It goes right in the crease. Make sure it is smooth and straight before you start applying the rest. That is what keeps it from bubbling up.
After that's on, slowly peel back a side and smooth it on. I use one of the old rubber applicators from the Zagg protectors. It's one of the ones that feels like it could be a full size eraser, not the newer cheap ones. Go slow and make sure you rolled the protector into the crease before moving outward.
Once it's on, leave the device open for an hour or two. Close it slowly and leave it closed for an hour or two. Open and close it somewhat carefully for the next day. After that, it should be good to return to normal.
The reality is that you just need "something" to keep the screen from getting all scratched up. Samsung openly admits the screen is weaker so it will flex. It's not some Mel Gibson "the government is siphoning my Corn Flakes" conspiracy. It's the properties of glass vs plastic.

blackhawk said:
You could custom fit 2 protectors but that may prove annoying. Wet apply hydrocell protectors are easy to align. Cut a sharp razor and straight egde without stretching the plastic at all. Any stretching will cause the application to fail.
The paradox is that the thicker the flexible plastic is the more likely it is to fail at the bend.
Some say the Fold holds up well to drops, don't know and wouldn't care to test that. Guess you could take the approach with the displays that I take with batteries; they are a maintenance item you know will need replaced. A backup phone be good to have to take off the pressure of repair.
In my case I got a 2nd N10+ a couple months ago.
In the last 2 years Samsung hasn't released anything I want. Still happy with my N10+'s.
Samsung has invested very heavily in developing this technology at the cost to their other flagship phones. Someone should remind Samsung what the definition for insanity is...
Planned obsolescence, one thing Samsung is trying to accomplish is this. 70 years ago GMC did it with their cars, different colors and of course style every year to entice customers to buy a new one. This is a benign planned obsolescence. When the device in question literally falls apart or fails to function then it turns into forced obsolescence.
Apple pioneered this 20 years ago with the $240 replacement battery and deliberately making device updates that crippled older iPhones. Samsung seems to be following Apple's lead like a lost puppy. First the 3.5mm jack, the SD card and Samsung's none Apple innovation, the Fold that literally comes apart at the seems.
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And yet we still buy their intentionally nowhere-near-as-good-as-it-could-be products. Why? Because we're idiot consumers wired for instant gratification. We do it to ourselves. We stink.

Blob Blobbed said:
And yet we still buy their intentionally nowhere-near-as-good-as-it-could-be products. Why? Because we're idiot consumers wired for instant gratification. We do it to ourselves. We stink.
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I got lucky when I bought my first N10+ right out of the gate. Samsung hasn't released anything that beats it in display/build quality, form factor, usability and functionality. If Samsung had released a better flagship it be in my hands right now. Buying the second one about 4 months ago however was a very deliberate and calculated purchase. That how much I like this phone... and there's nothing in the pipeline to supersede it.
I've had it with Samsung's bs. Acting like a brat child not listening to its parents.
If they don't clean up their act in 2-4 years, I'll migrate to a different company. Samsung has left the door open to their competitors, if they can get enough rubber on the asphalt. Until then I'll keep using my 2 N10+'s. They are easily capable of lasting that long.

blackhawk said:
I got lucky when I bought my first N10+ right out of the gate. Samsung hasn't released anything that beats it in display/build quality, form factor, usability and functionality. If Samsung had released a better flagship it be in my hands right now. Buying the second one about 4 months ago however was a very deliberate and calculated purchase. That how much I like this phone... and there's nothing in the pipeline to supersede it.
I've had it with Samsung's bs. Acting like a brat child not listening to its parents.
If they don't clean up their act in 2-4 years, I'll migrate to a different company. Samsung has left the door open to their competitors, if they can get enough rubber on the asphalt. Until then I'll keep using my 2 N10+'s. They are easily capable of lasting that long.
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I had same feelings about note 8 (awful) after note 4 (totally ruled).
proof:
Would you recommend a Galaxy Note 8 in 2020 vs current mid-range phones?
Hey all, It's been a while since I was active on XDA, but I'd like some advice from Note 8 owners. I used to buy Samsung Notes back in the day when they dropped in price a bit, but I haven't had one since the Note 4. I currently have an Umidigi...
forum.xda-developers.com
Overall love
Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Samsung Galaxy Note 8, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 is an incredible...
forum.xda-developers.com
YET HERE I AM 4 YEARS LATER

Blob Blobbed said:
I had same feelings about note 8 (awful) after note 4 (totally ruled).
proof:
Would you recommend a Galaxy Note 8 in 2020 vs current mid-range phones?
Hey all, It's been a while since I was active on XDA, but I'd like some advice from Note 8 owners. I used to buy Samsung Notes back in the day when they dropped in price a bit, but I haven't had one since the Note 4. I currently have an Umidigi...
forum.xda-developers.com
Overall love
Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Samsung Galaxy Note 8, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 is an incredible...
forum.xda-developers.com
YET HERE I AM 4 YEARS LATER
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Yeah I wanted the N4 for years. With Samsung it was always hit or miss. Over the last 7 years I rejected multiple new models because of no SD card slot.
Just chintzy of them. Was it worth the loss sales Sammy? Suck it up...
Comply or you're dead to me

Appreciate your comments.
I guess i just have to get several protectors from Amazon and do some trial & error until i find the right one.
Bring an early-adopter is certainly no picnic...

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