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Androids Future

It seems Apple is in the lead of this whole patent war nonsense winning against HTC for patents of things like clicking numbers and maps from a message, although HTC has pledged to modify their devices to remove any sort of infringement things just aren't looking good, I mean the iPhone is a nice device and everything but I can't imagine being trapped in that box Apple puts people in, Although HTC makes a great deal of Android powered phones its obvious the main Target is Android itself, The way things are going Im just wondering will there be a future with the Android we all know and love

I live in New Zealand. I just saw a major electronics chain advertising android phones for $109 (about $80 USD). This is in a developed, but isolated, country. Android has a future!!!

Lol it'll be fine since there are still plenty of educated folk around who don't buy Apple s***.

^SO true. Well said.

Why is Apple doing this????? We android users will cut and eat Apple... Long live Android....
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Unfortunately, in singapore, not many people is buying android phones. Reason? All iPhone/iPad users in singapore think that ALL APPLE products are the best, THE END.
And that is very sad if u own a android phone here. Example: Get a SGSII or Sensation XE in singapore and u tell your friends that your phone is better then the iphone and they keep coming up with rubbish excuses.
Sick and tired of this idea that iPhone is the best, cuz its NOT.
Pls samsung or htc, come up with something that will kill the iPhone.

Yes, but one has to think what if HTC cannot sale anymore phones in the US, that's a large collection of Android devices, I would guess Samsung would suffer here aswel, and Apple are just a bunch of sleezy sons of b%?#*$

The SGS2 kills the iPhone, the sensation, the rezound, all kill that little thing, in all fairness the iPhone has good build quality that's all Apple does is makes things look good, what can the iPhone that Android cant? Not the case vise versa people are just being blind all we need is a good looking device that's feels like its real and not plastic and then we win everything

relldroid said:
Yes, but one has to think what if HTC cannot sale anymore phones in the US, that's a large collection of Android devices, I would guess Samsung would suffer here aswel, and Apple are just a bunch of sleezy sons of b%?#*$
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The injunction only applies to HTC phones running android 1.6-2.2. Gingerbread, honeycomb and Ice Cream Sandwich are not affected, so it is hardly a set back.

heck even Gingerbread 2.3 are unaffected
which is basically all the new phones since late 2010 LMAO!

Ok now Apple has just been awarded an app switching patent, this is not good and states my point that things aren't looking up for us

Funny enough, I still don't fully feel that (at least Samsung phones) Android has that true comfortable multi-tasking. Holding home, for instance, bring up a recently used menu rather than currently running. Going to main screen, then to task manager, then to an open app of choice is a little clunky IMO.
So IMO, Android needs to adapt that true alt-tab style way to browse actually running apps. Nokia had this for ages.

If the Android is so much better than all the others ,then why even care about them ??

gielsgaard said:
If the Android is so much better than all the others ,then why even care about them ??
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Because Apple knows Androids better so they're trying to sabotage it by this patent war to restrict us from the way we use our device and even keep manufacturers from selling them, that's seems to be the plan anyway

Skv012a said:
Funny enough, I still don't fully feel that (at least Samsung phones) Android has that true comfortable multi-tasking. Holding home, for instance, bring up a recently used menu rather than currently running. Going to main screen, then to task manager, then to an open app of choice is a little clunky IMO.
So IMO, Android needs to adapt that true alt-tab style way to browse actually running apps. Nokia had this for ages.
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Honeycomb and ICS changed this ...there's a app switching button
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Yea the app switching/task killer is fantastic in ICS. I use it all the time. Great for quick multitasking. You swipe to close kinda ala PalmPre style (they swipe up). Notifications can be removed one at a time CM7 style (swipe to remote).
Apple iOS doesn't hold a candle to Android functionality. You can start to see this when the last Apple update stole most of it from Android. Split keyboard, pfft. Notification Center, pfft.
IMO, let them keep pulling the best ideas from one another until they are both the same great product.
Next iOS update = iWidgets

The future of Android is 3rd pace behind WP8(or whatever the next version will be called) and iOS unless Google can solve the performance and update problems plaguing Android. Android fans can cry all they want about Apple and MS suing various Android OEMs, but fact is Android infringes on a million patents and "open" buzzword isn't a valid defense in the court of law. Android was originally designed to mimic Blackberry until Schmidt realized that iPhone was the future and now Google is working on ripping off WP7 people hub features so I wouldn't be surprised if more lawsuits are ahead once ICS becomes more popular.

iWidgets lol, but I wish Google had a patent for the notification bar Apple clearly ripped it off of android all while they claim vise versa, as for the wp8 comment I think the real argument deals with apple, seeing how wp7 was never really popular, well from what I know, people seem to favor what they know over then what they don't, so IMO wp8 would be number 3

The iPhone can't be on the top forever, can it?

It seems that ever since January of 2007, when Apple revealed the rumored iPhone that they have been on top of the mobile game. Even before the phone was even for sale, it literally became the most hyped device in the world. Well its been over 5 years and Apple continues to control the mobile tech game.
But this can't last forever can it? Let's think about the mass popularity of Blackberrys and Sidekicks. Blackberry is a dying brand and sidekick's aren't even relavent in 2012.
Check out this article that explains a few new technologies in development as well as some proposed concepts that can make Apple the old thing.
"The iPhone was a life-changing device for many. Nobody can deny Apple’s ingenuity. But just like Apple wiped out the competition in 2007, any manufacturer could harness an advanced technology that could make the iPhone a thing of the past."
[Article] : http://brobuffet.com/2012/07/13/the-next-tech-takeover/
Tell me your opinion
Do you believe the Apple iPhone will continue to be the most popular device? Or will something eventually come along in 5-10 years and just take over the market?
I think this is a big question because many of us speak of how Apple will eventually have the iPhone 10 but we never consider the competition.

I personally feel that apple has its days numbered with the following that certain android based phones are gathering. HTC and Samsung alike are well on their ways to EVENTUALLY topple apple.
I give it three years, apple wont be on top, but will still be relevant. Unless apple changes the game a bit, 10 years and we may be saying "apple who?" There's only so many times you can sell a different variation of a general idea.
Just my opinion
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People choose iPhone due to awesome user experience having no performance glitch. Project Butter brings that to Jelly Bean. So, I think.. Android is going to take crown this time.
What I like most: Android users have big choice of hardware specs. If you purchase any digital content from Play Store (or, Amazon App Store), you can use them on large no. of devices which is not true with iTunes case!

SachinShekhar said:
People choose iPhone due to awesome user experience having no performance glitch. Project Butter brings that to Jelly Bean. So, I think.. Android is going to take crown this time.
What I like most: Android users have big choice of hardware specs. If you purchase any digital content from Play Store (or, Amazon App Store), you can use them on large no. of devices which is not true with iTunes case!
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Not to mention the amount of customization you have with an android device. If you're rooted, customization is endless.
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I have but one statement to add to this:
If HTC and Samsung wasn't doing so well in the smartphone market, why does Apple keep trying to sue them for anything they can?
Hell, even the Gooapple v5, although a Chinese knockoff, is still a better phone to me just because it runs Android and not iOS.
Say or think what you may, but android should be able to corner the market inside of 12-18 months based on the amount of users alone. No more desktops, no more laptops, and net books with touchscreens that run Android 3.2 for those that want a keyboard...
The future is in your hands, brandish it like a weapon and show it off to every iPhone user you know.
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fyi , Android owns over 50% of the world market for the last 2 years at least. Its now around 61% and only 29% for Apple.

I just came from an iPhone 4 to an HTC one x as my first Android device. Just about everyone I actually know that's closely related to me has an iPhone as well.
One thing I've noticed about them is that they don't really seem to care what the latest features of Android are compared to the iPhone. Even when I gloat about what my phone can do compared to their's they just don't seem quite as convinced or impressed by it.
Their only argument for staying with the iPhone is the app store, which I must agree is quite impressive. The also seem to have a misconception that Android is hard to navigate or use compared to iPhone. to some degree it is true, but I wouldn't say it's hard, its just not as user friendly as ios.
Apple will probably retain a lead until they mess up big time with their phone. I feel that moment is coming soon. The os look and feel is extremely outdated in my opinion. They need a new layout for their home screen and something different to keep it fresh.
Also I would like to mention from a personal experience that iPhone is great out the box whereas Android isn't good until you root and throw some great roms on it.
I'm tired of typing on my phone now.
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No, they won't. Samsung outsold Apple in Q1 this year. It will happen again. Instead of innovating Apple seems content to litigate and steal, meaning that they aren't bringing anything fresh to the table. People will eventually get tired of shelling out money for new iPhones with almost no appreciable differences. What will the next iPhone offer? A slightly larger screen, UI upgrades stolen wholesale from Android, maps purchased from elsewhere, and most likely 4G. Nothing cutting edge and nothing that isn't already offered in a plethora of forms in other devices.
Granted, it will take some people time to break away, especially those heavily invested in iOS apps, but it will happen. If all Google offered from its Nexus line were the same phone year after year with only minor changes how many Android users would see any need to continually upgrade? If Android users had no choice but to buy a new device every two years so that it could actually function on the newest OS how many of us would continue to support them? Androids weak point has been manufacturers and carriers not getting the new Android versions out to devices, but as devs have made clear the hardware itself is plenty capable of utilizing whatever Google brings us. That's something that iOS can't claim. Heck, even a number of newer iDevices had major issues with iOS 5. Dinosaurs will die and Apple is sounding its own dirge by refusing to stay competitive and treating its customers like idiots.

enviii said:
Also I would like to mention from a personal experience that iPhone is great out the box whereas Android isn't good until you root and throw some great roms on it.
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I wouldn't quite say so.
Android can run widgets, live wallpaper, custom lockscreens, different launchers, change default apps like MMS/SMS, browser, dialer, camera, etc., out of the box no rooting required.
iOS needs to be jailbroken for those features. And they still don't have widgets, except for those "widgets" in the notification pulldown (which was a complete copy of Android 1.5).
The iPhone 5 will supposedly have a 4 inch screen. The original galaxy S phones from 2010 had 4 inch screens, and the OG Droid from 2009 had a 3.7 inch screen which is bigger than the current iPhone (4S).
Apple will fall soon. A couple of years give or take
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MissionImprobable said:
No, they won't. Samsung outsold Apple in Q1 this year. It will happen again. Instead of innovating Apple seems content to litigate and steal, meaning that they aren't bringing anything fresh to the table. People will eventually get tired of shelling out money for new iPhones with almost no appreciable differences. What will the next iPhone offer? A slightly larger screen, UI upgrades stolen wholesale from Android, maps purchased from elsewhere, and most likely 4G. Nothing cutting edge and nothing that isn't already offered in a plethora of forms in other devices.
Granted, it will take some people time to break away, especially those heavily invested in iOS apps, but it will happen. If all Google offered from its Nexus line were the same phone year after year with only minor changes how many Android users would see any need to continually upgrade? If Android users had no choice but to buy a new device every two years so that it could actually function on the newest OS how many of us would continue to support them? Androids weak point has been manufacturers and carriers not getting the new Android versions out to devices, but as devs have made clear the hardware itself is plenty capable of utilizing whatever Google brings us. That's something that iOS can't claim. Heck, even a number of newer iDevices had major issues with iOS 5. Dinosaurs will die and Apple is sounding its own dirge by refusing to stay competitive and treating its customers like idiots.
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Exactly. Androids strength is also a weakness. Variety and choice comes with a price. Apple's sole control over their device and OS allows them to easily roll out updates, whereas with Android, Google, in a way, is at the mercy of manufacturers and carries. Or perhaps it's the other way around?
So what if ICS and JB take while to get official support. Open source development takes care of that problem. In fact, I think it's safe to say that user/ community made ROMs are probably better than official releases.

my girlfriends sister's boyfriend has an Iphone, and he said he wants to get the new one. Now my girlfriends sister wants to get an Iphone also. Listen to the reasons behind their wants.
boyfriend - I want the new Iphone because I can easily sync my music from itunes
girlfriends sister - I want the new Iphone just because (we all know its because her boyfriend has one LOL)
is this really what apple has going for them? easy sync of music, same OS on every device, little bit bigger screen and a new maps app because they're mad at google for "stealing" from them? apple is a garbage company that over-prices everything and gives their customers a piece of **** in a box.
oh get this LOL also my girlfriends sister has had an IMac laptop or whatever you call it for a couple of years now, 2 times she had to change the hard drive. that is hella sad considering the hard drive is one and only piece of permanent storage pieces in a computer.

enviii said:
Their only argument for staying with the iPhone is the app store, which I must agree is quite impressive. The also seem to have a misconception that Android is hard to navigate or use compared to iPhone. to some degree it is true, but I wouldn't say it's hard, its just not as user friendly as ios.
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I totally agree. If someone can't figure out how to connect to wifi with an android phone, they're not going to magically figure it out if you hand them an iPhone. The process is the exact same no matter which platform you are on. I guess most people haven't tried ICS, because it is just as easy to use as any other OS.
In fact, in a few ways, Android is more user friendly. For example, making a ringtone from an mp3 is fairly easy on Android. Doing the same in iOS or WP7 is a nightmare. Managing music is easier if you know how to drag and drop into folders. Once they start putting NFC chips in bluetooth devices, pairing will be super easy for Android too.

iPhone screen size = 3.5" = $600
Android equivalents in terms of screen size:
Galaxy Y = 3.0" = <$30
LG Optimus Me = 2.8" = <$10
Lenovo A60 = 3.5" = <$30
See. ALL of the iPhones android equivalents are LOW END phones! They are all GB/FroYo! In terms of screen size, Apple needs to step up and release a 4.3" iPhone ASAP.

OptimusLove said:
iPhone screen size = 3.5" = $600
Android equivalents in terms of screen size:
Galaxy Y = 3.0" = <$30
LG Optimus Me = 2.8" = <$10
Lenovo A60 = 3.5" = <$30
See. ALL of the iPhones android equivalents are LOW END phones! They are all GB/FroYo! In terms of screen size, Apple needs to step up and release a 4.3" iPhone ASAP.
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Samsung makes the panels for the iPhone... I would love to see apple go to another vendor, increase screen size and start selling those phones, just so Samsung can sue them for patent infringement due to screen size and technology... that would be the lol of the year!
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what if iPhone gets Android, can someone port it.....lolz..

People already have booted Android on iPhones. Android is open for anyone who wishes to develop and use it.

MissionImprobable said:
People already have booted Android on iPhones. Android is open for anyone who wishes to develop and use it.
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This is true, and proof can be found in the case of all the Gooapple units sold. Its essentially the same as an iPhone with the exception of the processor AFAIK...
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I also see the iPhone lagging behind its competition in the future. What game changers did Apple introduce to the iPhone
in the last years? FaceTime? lol
They can't come up with something special every time they release a new one. They are also very limited with the way they can
change the whole thing. It's no coincidence that they stuck with the same screen size for so long. If you make it bigger it's not
really "the iPhone" anymore. I think they are very careful with making such drastic changes which, as I said, limits their innovation.

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People already have booted Android on iPhones. Android is open for anyone who wishes to develop and use it.
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Yeah Android is open for anyone, but this doesn't grants officially update's for all smartphone!

misbah711 said:
what if iPhone gets Android, can someone port it.....lolz..
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http://code.google.com/p/iphodroid/

Getting Gear 2 to work on non Samsung phones

Now that the whole gear series has gone all Tizen on us.. what is the chance that they will work with non Samsung phones?
Is it going to be like now where you just get the Gear Manager apk working on the other phones and you are good to go? or is it going to be more complicated?
Anyone know anything about this Tizen crap at all?

Shouldn't matter. The thing holding back compatibility is that touchwiz is required on phone

so it should work on non samsung phones just like gear 1?

It already works, only a few thing are missing.
Check gear2neo qa subforum for the working gear manager apk !

It works with my nexus but I dont see the camera app on my Gear 2 Neo and I cant install any 3rd party apps on my watch like evernote and zite.
A little useless...

If you don't have a Samsung phone, why not wait on the Moto 360?

EVOme said:
If you don't have a Samsung phone, why not wait on the Moto 360?
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My sister got an s5 and got it for only $50. She just gave it to me for free.

EVOme said:
If you don't have a Samsung phone, why not wait on the Moto 360?
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Moto360 is one of those things that will one day come but no one can say battery will be good. No speaker phone on the Moto360 either.

idle0095 said:
Moto360 is one of those things that will one day come but no one can say battery will be good. No speaker phone on the Moto360 either.
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By the time that notification-only watch comes out, the Gear 3 Solo will land. It's rumored to have its own cellular/data radios.

BlackZenith said:
By the time that notification-only watch comes out, the Gear 3 Solo will land. It's rumored to have its own cellular/data radios.
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Samsung announced an "Android Wear" version of the gear coming this year as well... now I am second guessing this gear 2! =/ ...just after I took the Gear 1 back and waited for this! ...craaazy lol

GermanBrot said:
Samsung announced an "Android Wear" version of the gear coming this year as well... now I am second guessing this gear 2! =/ ...just after I took the Gear 1 back and waited for this! ...craaazy lol
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Based on this video, I wouldn't wait on that if you're wanting a "full feature" smart watch. Besides, I think the resale value of the Gear 2 should be decent when they release another successor. So you could sell the Gear 2 just like you did the Galaxy Gear...

BlackZenith said:
Based on this video, I wouldn't wait on that if you're wanting a "full feature" smart watch. Besides, I think the resale value of the Gear 2 should be decent when they release another successor. So you could sell the Gear 2 just like you did the Galaxy Gear...
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You sound a lot like myself and enjoy all those features that others call "gimmicks". A watch with all the features is exactly why I stuck with the Gear. I wouldn't put it past them to include a front facing camera (even for just the Smart Stay feature alone). But then again, sometimes you have to just stick with something and enjoy what you have. A watch with an IR blaster, Camera, and handling phone calls is a great start for my first... um.. watch? lol... thanks for the advice! =D
p.s. The video just lost some of my interest for Android Wear... thanks for posting that! Im glad Samsung took it to the next level already.

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Samsung announced an "Android Wear" version of the gear coming this year as well... now I am second guessing this gear 2! =/ ...just after I took the Gear 1 back and waited for this! ...craaazy lol
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Don't ask me why, but I believe that watch won't be a flagship product as Gear.
It would be like a WP-like device for Samsung. Samsung also makes WP devices, but they hardly give much attention to that compared to Galaxy devices. Why do you think that Samsung wants Android Wear devices to succeed? They have invested in Tizen, and they want to people to buy into that instead of Android Wear devices. This also gives them a big incentive to control the whole ecosystem with Tizen-based devices.

CLARiiON said:
Don't ask me why, but I believe that watch won't be a flagship product as Gear.
It would be like a WP-like device for Samsung. Samsung also makes WP devices, but they hardly give much attention to that compared to Galaxy devices. Why do you think that Samsung wants Android Wear devices to succeed? They have invested in Tizen, and they want to people to buy into that instead of Android Wear devices. This also gives them a big incentive to control the whole ecosystem with Tizen-based devices.
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Thats a good point, but on the other hand, the tables are turned in this case. WP has like what, 4% market share, while Android has around 54% or so? It makes sense not to put too much love into WP. In this case, its the opposite where Tizen is .001% (thats a random guess...lol) and Android is way in the lead.
Luckily they talk to each other nicely, and I am assuming Tizen relies mostly on HTML5 and CSS to run apps so its more widely compatible (correct me there if I am wrong). I just know as much time, money and development they have put into Tizen, I could guess (and this is a guess) that they have already spent at least double in android development. I cant see them dismissing this on the same level as WP.
You did make a good point though, we can all tell they really REALLY want Tizen to succeed. lol

GermanBrot said:
Thats a good point, but on the other hand, the tables are turned in this case. WP has like what, 4% market share, while Android has around 54% or so? It makes sense not to put too much love into WP. In this case, its the opposite where Tizen is .001% (thats a random guess...lol) and Android is way in the lead.
Luckily they talk to each other nicely, and I am assuming Tizen relies mostly on HTML5 and CSS to run apps so its more widely compatible (correct me there if I am wrong). I just know as much time, money and development they have put into Tizen, I could guess (and this is a guess) that they have already spent at least double in android development. I cant see them dismissing this on the same level as WP.
You did make a good point though, we can all tell they really REALLY want Tizen to succeed. lol
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NOTE: This discussion might be OT, but I feel it's important.
You bring up very valid points, I appreciate that. It's good to have such discussions. BTW, Android has around 81% market share (worldwide) according to last IDC numbers.
Yes, Tizen relies of HTML5 and CSS. You have the option to make web apps and also native apps. Gear will (atleast initially) use Web runtime.
The reason why Samsung is investing in Tizen is purely from future perspective. Android doesn't give them total control of the ecosystem. Just have a look at present Android -- Google control Android. If I am brutally honest - the best parts of Android are not open. Google services, apps, maps, youtube, search are not open. You just can't have app store without taking all other google services along with that. Samsung doesn't like that as it limits their chances to create a serviceline of their own. Samsung would love to have have users do everything within their ecosystem. Like after getting a Samsung phone, they would want the users to buy the apps from their store (not Google Play), purchase music from them, rent videos from them etc., So how they plan to do it? They have now tie-ups with Amazon for books, tie-up with Yahoo for various web apps, Nokia Here as default map applications, 7digital, Slacker etc., Samsung also have to think what happens if google decides to keep Android for themselves? or start putting strict conditions to use their services?
Check this Tizen Whitepaper. Some very interesting statements --
Tizen’s open governance – which is designed to prevent any single entity from controlling the platform – will help it avoid the pitfalls of previous broad-based industry initiatives, which ultimately suffered from perceived vendor control.
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Tizen is designed to fill an important gap in today’s smartphone landscape: namely the perceived need for an open platform free from control by a single entity.
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It's not Apple or Microsoft that they are targeting, Google/Android is the target.

Works with Sony Xperia Z Ultra
I can connect with My Sony Z Ultra which is Android 4.3.
But, some functions are not working.
I used Gear Manager from this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2677686

CLARiiON said:
NOTE: This discussion might be OT, but I feel it's important.
You bring up very valid points, I appreciate that. It's good to have such discussions. BTW, Android has around 81% market share (worldwide) according to last IDC numbers.
Yes, Tizen relies of HTML5 and CSS. You have the option to make web apps and also native apps. Gear will (atleast initially) use Web runtime.
The reason why Samsung is investing in Tizen is purely from future perspective. Android doesn't give them total control of the ecosystem. Just have a look at present Android -- Google control Android. If I am brutally honest - the best parts of Android are not open. Google services, apps, maps, youtube, search are not open. You just can't have app store without taking all other google services along with that. Samsung doesn't like that as it limits their chances to create a serviceline of their own. Samsung would love to have have users do everything within their ecosystem. Like after getting a Samsung phone, they would want the users to buy the apps from their store (not Google Play), purchase music from them, rent videos from them etc., So how they plan to do it? They have now tie-ups with Amazon for books, tie-up with Yahoo for various web apps, Nokia Here as default map applications, 7digital, Slacker etc., Samsung also have to think what happens if google decides to keep Android for themselves? or start putting strict conditions to use their services?
Check this Tizen Whitepaper. Some very interesting statements --
It's not Apple or Microsoft that they are targeting, Google/Android is the target.
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WOW ...kinda speechless on that white paper. It makes sense... so many are putting all their eggs in one basket. That was the semi beauty of Android... you dont like Samsung, and you can leave that brand and as long as your on Android, all the apps and etc you paid for follow you.
Do you think the entire reason Android Wear exists is because it (Tizen) scares the fire out of Google? I mean look at what all Tizen is capable of running from the G1 to G2/N ...the exact same CPU, and hardware... I think this even has a smaller battery than the previous with nearly double battery life. The dots are starting to connect! ...Let the content owners keep the data...(Amazon for books, tie-up with Yahoo for various web apps, Nokia Here as default map applications, 7digital, Slacker etc.,) and not depend on 1 "play/app store" ...regardless of OS...
I almost want to believe Android is so heavy on the resources that this is why they are wanting to "keep it simple"?

GermanBrot said:
WOW ...kinda speechless on that white paper. It makes sense... so many are putting all their eggs in one basket. That was the semi beauty of Android... you dont like Samsung, and you can leave that brand and as long as your on Android, all the apps and etc you paid for follow you.
Do you think the entire reason Android Wear exists is because it (Tizen) scares the fire out of Google? I mean look at what all Tizen is capable of running from the G1 to G2/N ...the exact same CPU, and hardware... I think this even has a smaller battery than the previous with nearly double battery life. The dots are starting to connect! ...Let the content owners keep the data...(Amazon for books, tie-up with Yahoo for various web apps, Nokia Here as default map applications, 7digital, Slacker etc.,) and not depend on 1 "play/app store" ...regardless of OS...
I almost want to believe Android is so heavy on the resources that this is why they are wanting to "keep it simple"?
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It's an interesting topic, but I sometimes feel it could get boring for other folks. But following are my own views in this topic:
1] Google would want all vendors simply following their guidelines and simply fighting on the basis of price (similar to laptop vendors). Just look at computers - everything runs Windows and with very little chance of customization. Vendors like HP/Lenovo/Dell simply compete on price or or make more powerful hardware. But look at the profit margin in that industry. Only Microsoft makes money from PC business! That's a cold hard fact. Google wants to do same in mobile space what MS did to desktop computers. Difference is that MS sold software, google wants to engulf everyone in their web services.
2] Samsung doesn't want to be a generic mobile vendor, say like those Chinese companies. The moment Samsung become like everyone else, why would you pay premium for Samsung phones?? That's exactly how Apple is able to always demand premium price for their hardware. At all times, they sold decent hardware with unique software. Samsung knows if you can't be different/unique in this market, you would be left to play the price game. And very soon, the profit margin will decrease to bare minimum.
On Tizen, I think it's pretty good foundation that they have. If you check Tizen 3.0 UI, you will see that they have also adopted flat UI design (Sept 2013 information). We will know which way this is going by Q2. First Tizen phone is supposed to come out by that time.
This is Tizen 2.2. 3.0 is supposed to be come by Q3.

Johnnynho said:
I can connect with My Sony Z Ultra which is Android 4.3.
But, some functions are not working.
I used Gear Manager from this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2677686
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Have you gotten 3rd party apps to work on your Gear 2? I mean do you have access on your device to Samsung Apps so you can download apps made for gear 2? I got Nexus 5 and all i can use are the default pre installed apps.

hawksking said:
Have you gotten 3rd party apps to work on your Gear 2? I mean do you have access on your device to Samsung Apps so you can download apps made for gear 2? I got Nexus 5 and all i can use are the default pre installed apps.
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No. Haven't got 3rd arty apps to work as I also don't have Samsung Apps on my Sony Z Ultra.
For me, some pre-installed apps are missing such as Call Log and Media Control. Do you have on your Gear 2?

[Q] Why Android and not iOS?

Simple question, but I'm interested in hearing the unique reasons why YOU prefer Android over iOS, if you do, haha!

Android is better when using Google service

So many reasons...
- iTunes. If I record a bit of music I play, cut out a section and set it as a ringtone, that's all that's required on an Android. On an iPhone.. I'd have to record the file. Import it to iTunes, export it to the phone. Cut out the segment. Import it to iTunes, export it to the Phone, and only then can I set it as a ringtone. That's ridiculous.
- Choices. I want to decide my settings and options. I don't need Apple to tell me what I can and can't do.
- Multitasking. iOS still can't truly multitask.
- Continuing on that theme, Spen with Penwindow. If you've ever used it, you'll know what I mean with true multitasking and Apple's restricted system.
- Customisability. I'm a designer. I want my phone to looks the way I like it, not the way Apple has decided it should look, exactly the same as every other iPhone user.
- Zooper, Themes, Icons, Colours...
- Live Wallpapers. The thing that wows every Apple user I speak to. I'm using Forest HD, a living forest. You don't get such modern things on an iPhone.
- Specifications. Have you seen the specifications in an iPhone 6? They're equal to those in a 2012 Note 2. And people are paying 1000 quid for such outdated rubbish?
- Design. I think iPhones are, and always have been, abysmal. Like a 60 quid Toys'r'us phone, the ones they sold with candy in it before Apple came with a smartphone.

More customization on android.
Apple is too damn expensive.
You pay extra for that apple symbol on the back, not for better hardware.
That to me is rediculous.

there was a portal discussion just a week ago about that...

The first of all is that Android is open.
I have a choice to get an app from Amazon Appstore, Play Store, or any else I like.
And I can easily install apps developed by myself to my smart devices.
......

Android is an open source operating system which is Linux based. In whole world, many users are commonly using Android phones compared the iOS. Several phones based on Android are available in different size, price and features. But iOS is only adopted by Apple devices. The Lollipop is the latest version of Android OS.

I can't afford any iOS phone :crying: But anyway, i love Android because of it customizability of course

saini.pratibha said:
Android is an open source operating system which is Linux based. In whole world, many users are commonly using Android phones compared the iOS. Several phones based on Android are available in different size, price and features. But iOS is only adopted by Apple devices. The Lollipop is the latest version of Android OS.
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This is not completely true. Only AOSP is open source. Many versions of android are completely closed sourced.

Android is cheaper? More free apps?
I'd like to try iOS if I have enough money :crying:

Simple. With Android, we have XDA And with iOS..... I think I would have to google that. XD

I have used ios 5 to 7 on my iphone 4s but about 8 months ago i switched to android with a galaxy s4. And I can tell you that it was the best choice ever. The galaxy s4 was very fast even with touchwizz even faster thn the current iphone at the time but after some time i flashed a google play edition rom and i just shat my pants right there. But this is ofcourse all personal preferences.

I prefer android for many reason, i.e. it is an open os, many free app and especially you have a great choice of devices!

Mostly for the ability to debug and release apps without paying a $99/year fee. I'm just a poor college student, and having to spend $99/year just to debug apps is a bit overkill. Overall, however, iOS apps still seem to be of better quality than Android ones.

I dont want to pay for an apple which is not in shape

Samsung Promises?

Samsung tells us that we have 4 Gb of memory but we really only have about 1.5 Gb (at least on my S3 Frontier). Here's an interesting read on a similar issue, i.e., advertising vs. reality:
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/

True and so do all others. Technically there is 4gb but most of it is occupied by OS and bloat. It's the same with all Android, iOS devices... the bigger the storage the less you perceive this fact.
Does not bother me too much because I am aware of it and personally I do not really have the need to store anything on my watch... I'd rather prefer them to make progress in the software area and iOS integration.

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True and so do all others. Technically there is 4gb but most of it is occupied by OS and bloat. It's the same with all Android, iOS devices... the bigger the storage the less you perceive this fact.
Does not bother me too much because I am aware of it and personally I do not really have the need to store anything on my watch... I'd rather prefer them to make progress in the software area and iOS integration.
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Could not agree more. Don't really care much about the storage on the watch. What I do want is all the promised functions to work properly, especially on non-samsung phones (iPhone).
Don't understand why they would shut us out from the paid-apps...

Why is it all of a sudden people care about this? They have been doing it in PCs forever so what is the problem? If anyone should be getting in trouble it is the SD card makers that advertise 16gb but in reality are considering 1000mb to be a GB.

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Don't understand why they would shut us out from the paid-apps...
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I already complained at Samsung support regarding this (maybe others should do as well). The lady said something about Apple approval needed. But then they should offer other options.

Of Course We're Aware But...
It only bothers me because Samsung rarely listens to their end-users and if I'm paying $400 for something I want what's advertised and not a bunch of useless watch faces, etc. If I wanted to be a sheep I'd buy an IPhone or a Volkswagen
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True and so do all others. Technically there is 4gb but most of it is occupied by OS and bloat. It's the same with all Android, iOS devices... the bigger the storage the less you perceive this fact.
Does not bother me too much because I am aware of it and personally I do not really have the need to store anything on my watch... I'd rather prefer them to make progress in the software area and iOS integration.
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I already complained at Samsung support regarding this (maybe others should do as well). The lady said something about Apple approval needed. But then they should offer other options.
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The lack of access is probably the result of Apple's walled garden policy. But the solution is simple, Google figured it out, and Samsung should have been able to do so also. The upcoming Android Wear LG Sport will be compatible with iOS, because the watch will have its own dedicated app store accessible directly from the watch. Since it bypasses the phone, it wrestles a bit of control from Apple, so that the watch can exert greater control over the user experience.
Needing to connect to a phone in order to download apps for the watch, reminds me of the early days of iOS. Back in the day, we had to connect the iPhone to our computer...

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The lack of access is probably the result of Apple's walled garden policy. But the solution is simple, Google figured it out, and Samsung should have been able to do so also. The upcoming Android Wear LG Sport will be compatible with iOS, because the watch will have its own dedicated app store accessible directly from the watch. Since it bypasses the phone, it wrestles a bit of control from Apple, so that the watch can exert greater control over the user experience.
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I agree regarding Apple but then this was known. A web App Store like Android play is just an obvious choice. I'm not too convinced that the experience of an App Store on the watch would be that great.