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This is not my work, only my findings, credits goto androidworld.nl
ORIGINAL POSTING, TRANSLATED FROM GERMAN< POORLY AT BEST>
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Proceed as follows:
1. Turn your HTC Sensation ON continuously, and then loads 8 HOURS .
2. Get eight hours after the HTC Sensation of the drawer and then turn the power off . Now load another 1 hour .
3. Get the Sensation back of the drawer and turn it ON . Now wait a few minutes and then turn it back off . Finally, you still charge a 1 HOURS .
And voila, you now have the battery of the HTC Sensation longer trained to perform. You should make a clear difference and now you can even double as a battery to perform this method. You should start when the battery is already low on the Sensation and before sleeping. So you do not the daytime Sensation 8 hours long to miss.
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In Layman's terms curtesy of ldelossa.ld aka, not badly converted german.
"Its saying to manually set your batter stats, and yes it does work.
Charge to 100% take off the charger and power it down, when you boot back up you'll be anywhere from 80-95%, charge back up to 100% and then take off the charger, repeat this pattern till you can take your charger charger off (after a power down of course) and the battery readout on the phone stays at 100% for more then ten minutes, at this point just use the phone till it does completely, once it dies plug it in and charge it up to 100%."
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Also, please do the research about the bump charging, the forum i found this at, had NO mentioning of that, but I am glad people here knew about it before people started using it.
It does work, you will get better and longer battery life, but you will need to replace your battery sooner.
It is not as if you will need to replace it in a month, so weigh the pro's and con's, this still may be a very viable solution
Thank you XDA members for the input, I tried to update the OP to have the information needed to make the correct decision.
For more information on Bump Charging, Please Read
Quote from website above - ""To also help with Battery Life you can do these steps exactly: 1) Turn your device ON and Charge the device for 8 hours or more 2) Unplug the device and Turn the phone OFF and charge for 1 hour 3) Unplug the device Turn ON wait 2 minutes and Turn OFF and charge for another hour Your battery life should almost double, we have tested this on our devices and other agents have seen a major difference as well." - HTC Support's advice to an XDA Developer forum member.
This will reportedly increase your battery life two fold however in my test with the HTC Thunderbolt, I saw 14 hours usage which still isn't bad compared to the 9 hours I was previously obtaining"
An Article refereed to as the "truth about bump charging" that loops right back here to XDA A big thanks to byrong of XDA for his amazing thread.
*From my reading, the newer phones, like Sensation Evo3d, can handle the bump charge better then older, like the droid, etc....* (take that with a grain of salt......)
In my personal opinion, i think it is worth doing. The more i read about it, the more it seems like a good idea. I use my phone alot, and to get a full day with heavy usage is very important to me without plugging in on the ride home from work, etc.
can't make sense of it.
Indeed these instructions don't make much sense
after the phone is fullly charged,i delete /data/.battery-calibrated and then reboot
Its saying to manually set your batter stats, and yes it does work.
Charge to 100% take off the charger and power it down, when you boot back up you'll be anywhere from 80-95%, charge back up to 100% and then take off the charger, repeat this pattern till you can take your charger charger off (after a power down of course) and the battery readout on the phone stays at 100% for more then ten minutes, at this point just use the phone till it does completely, once it dies plug it in and charge it up to 100%.
It's called "bump charging". It's well documented to shorten battery life. Google it and make your own decision regarding using it.
Yeah bump charging will kill your battery
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Yeah, the sensation has pretty good bump charge protection. I wouldn't recommend it, you'll get longer life for a while then it will ruin your battery.
definitely bump charging....do it at your own risk!
Thank you to all that have replied so far, i updated the OP so users can make a more informed decision.
I think i will try it on 1 of my sensations to see the difference. If i get 30%+ more life, as some of the people in the other forum claim, and i have to replace the battery in a year, I personally think that is a good choice.
All of this is upto you..
Remember, its your phone, what you do to it, is your choice, what happens to it based on those choices, is YOUR FAULT, good or bad. Dont try and play the blame game, good or bad.
The original post that i think that the OP is trying to explain was
1) Turn your device ON and Charge the device for 8 hours or more
2) Unplug the device and Turn the phone OFF and charge for 1 hour
3) Unplug the device Turn ON wait 2 minutes and Turn OFF and charge for another hour
Your battery life should almost double, we have tested this on our devices and other agents have seen a major difference as well.
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It was a suggestion from HTC for a couple of their phones a while ago
sromer said:
The original post that i think that the OP is trying to explain was
It was a suggestion from HTC for a couple of their phones a while ago
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood it was a "suggestion" from some of the people in HTC tech support. I've contacted HTC tech support several times asking questions about the Sensation. Simple stuff they should know. "Does it use noise cancellation?" "Does it have Gorilla Glass?" "What are the holes on the back for?". I've been majorly disappointed. All I've ever gotten is "we don't know", "we did a internet search and this is what we found", "we tried one of our phones and you're right it does record in stereo.", etc. Never have they contacted real HTC techs and found the answer to my question. So, even if someone in HTC support said they tried this and it seemed to work that's not, in my view, an official endorsement from HTC.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood it was a "suggestion" from some of the people in HTC tech support. I've contacted HTC tech support several times asking questions about the Sensation. Simple stuff they should know. "Does it use noise cancellation?" "Does it have Gorilla Glass?" "What are the holes on the back for?". I've been majorly disappointed. All I've ever gotten is "we don't know", "we did a internet search and this is what we found", "we tried one of our phones and you're right it does record in stereo.", etc. Never have they contacted real HTC techs and found the answer to my question. So, even if someone in HTC support said they tried this and it seemed to work that's not, in my view, an official endorsement from HTC.
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i found the original post, it says it is a "official response" & it was originally for the Evo 4G.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712990
sromer said:
i found the original post, it says it is a "official response" & it was originally for the Evo 4G.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712990
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I've done some Google searching and am still sticking to my belief that the original posted email was at best from HTC support, and not HTC engineering. As I mentioned I've received long emails from HTC support as well. I won't go into all the ugly details, but trust me they aren't tech smart. Battery bump charging, which is precisely what's described here, is widely known to provide temporary increases in storage capacity, but at a cost in battery life. But you can get batteries for as little as $10, so if you want to bump charge every day or two, have at it. Just be aware it could shorten the life of the battery and speed up the inevitable gradual loss of capacity.
I am using the Anker 1900mAh battery for last 3 weeks and I am satisfied with the battery life it provides. I did 4-5 charge-discharge cycles and now I regularly get 24hrs - 27hrs life out of it. Today I noticed that BMW Pro is showing battery '14% aging'! What does this mean? Is my battery dying? To confirm I installed the HTC battery widget and it shows nothing abnormal. Please check the screenshots. Is something wrong with my battery?
More than 100 views. Nobody?
My aging says 0%, on stock battery... 5 month old.
I gave up using BMW after getting my sensation, the battery driver by HTC is useless and the statistics the driver gives to BMW can't be trusted.
If you're that concerned then charge to 100%, delete your your battery stats and history and hence start again - but I don't think anything has changed for you, it still guesses your battery as around 1900.
boomboomer said:
I gave up using BMW after getting my sensation, the battery driver by HTC is useless and the statistics the driver gives to BMW can't be trusted.
If you're that concerned then charge to 100%, delete your your battery stats and history and hence start again - but I don't think anything has changed for you, it still guesses your battery as around 1900.
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Absolutly right about BMW and Sensation. BMW Useless and confusing only. Don't worry about ageing - continue to use as before.
My phone is not rooted. So I cant delete battery stats. And I get excellent battery life. But the 'aging' thing was worrying me. But after reading your comments not so much worried now. What does 'aging' mean anyway? i.e. in the context of the battery.
Over time and use batteries age... They lose their capacity.... Aging 10% Means that the battery has 10% less capacity than it had when it was new....
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zcdg said:
Absolutly right about BMW and Sensation. BMW Useless and confusing only. Don't worry about ageing - continue to use as before.
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There's nothing wrong with the app, it worked perfectly on my HD2, it's just the battery driver that's the issue for the sensation.
boomboomer said:
There's nothing wrong with the app, it worked perfectly on my HD2, it's just the battery driver that's the issue for the sensation.
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I know that is Senasation's driver reporting not correct discharge current, only correct charge current. I meant BMW is useless with Sensation.
And i guess it is not problem of HTC's driver but hardware chipset used in sensation and evo 3d - driver can't read proper values from measurment circuit of chipset. If i would be driver itself, HTC could fix it easely.
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Don't expect from Anker same quantity of charge-discharge cycles as original battery. It may not work as long as original one(cycles i mean). Nothing can be done with it and nothing can help. They are cheap, so just buy new one when capacity will badly decrease.
Now BMW is showing aging to be 0%. How and why it showed 14% previously I dont know! The battery is hardly 3 weeks old. It cant begin to age so soon, can it? Maybe the earlier value was some wrong reporting. There seems to be a definite problem with the phone's battery driver.
As countless people told you by now - those stats don't mean ****. Stop relying on them. It's useless, confusing information with absolutely no value.
Your battery is fine.
anazei said:
As countless people told you by now - those stats don't mean ****. Stop relying on them. It's useless, confusing information with absolutely no value.
Your battery is fine.
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^ What he said. If the developer set the app to say it's 99% aged while your battery still lasted about 25 hours or so.. would you believe that? I'm banking on the assumption that you're not a complete moron and WOULDNT believe that. This is almost the same thing, accrding to all the other users, the app and the battery drivers don't work well together. As everyone else has stated, stop using it? There really is only one way to test your battery properly, and that is to use it. If one day you only got like 15 hours out of your normal 27.. then you know there's a problem. screw the bmw app
anazei said:
As countless people told you by now - those stats don't mean ****. Stop relying on them. It's useless, confusing information with absolutely no value.
Your battery is fine.
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I have understood it totally.
KAwAtA said:
^ What he said. If the developer set the app to say it's 99% aged while your battery still lasted about 25 hours or so.. would you believe that? I'm banking on the assumption that you're not a complete moron and WOULDNT believe that. This is almost the same thing, accrding to all the other users, the app and the battery drivers don't work well together. As everyone else has stated, stop using it? There really is only one way to test your battery properly, and that is to use it. If one day you only got like 15 hours out of your normal 27.. then you know there's a problem. screw the bmw app
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Is there really any need for being this rude? I thought we were just having a discussion. Why are you getting exasperated?
sarkar_007 said:
Now BMW is showing aging to be 0%. How and why it showed 14% previously I dont know! The battery is hardly 3 weeks old. It cant begin to age so soon, can it? Maybe the earlier value was some wrong reporting. There seems to be a definite problem with the phone's battery driver.
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Ignore, ignore, ignore. Just ignore. How can you trust it if BMW doesn't even report mA correctly (not it's fault). So stop worrying and just enjoy your phone.
tinky1 said:
Ignore, ignore, ignore. Just ignore. How can you trust it if BMW doesn't even report mA correctly (not it's fault). So stop worrying and just enjoy your phone.
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Thats what I am going to do!
You may see what are aged battery here :http://78michel.unblog.fr/htc-desire-battery-shutdown-analysis/ and here :http://78michel.unblog.fr/?p=164
The SoC curve ( state of charge) shows a step during the charging cycle before reaching 100% and a shutdown while discharging. This is very typical.
The aging is in fact the amplitude of the step.....
A precise battery analysis requires a full charging cycle from 0% to 100% with a AC charger.
Your battery is clearly not aged at all..... don't worry
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I have understood it totally.
Is there really any need for being this rude? I thought we were just having a discussion. Why are you getting exasperated?
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How am I being rude? You should change the tone of how you read it. I didn't call you the moron, I was assuming you weren't and trying to give some kind of crappy analogy to make sense of it lol
Folks, wiping battery stats is to no use. It only contains the data of what have used the battery since last charge. When you unplug your phone from the charger, the stats are reset. You can't extend or damage the battery life by deleting/altering the battery stats file.
Hello guys I'm I little worried. Here's the thing, I tried for some days figuring out how to root,unlock bootloader, super CID, etc.. it was with good battery life, but after I did all that, I installed the viperxl (i used it with my older HOXL) and everything ran good. What I have noticed is that my battery drain is so, I mean soooo bad..!
I tried a full wipe but I think it's still the same. My phone its brand new so there is no problem with older owners. I haven't changed the radio (maybe could be that?) I have lost more battery on standby than when using the phone and that didn't happened with my older HOXL
So could be that I messed my battery when I charged the phone with the nexus 7 charger??
Or what could be the problem?? Any suggestions will be good, thanks....
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Is the N7 charger more amps than the One X charger? Some folks on here have said that the device will only pull the amps it needs, others have contradicted this. I don't know enough about the topic to comment either way. I use a Motorola charger on my One X every day, since it has a longer cord than the HTC charger and it happens to work better where I have it located on my desk.
I can honestly say I've used my nexus 7 charger a few times with no problems
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Its a mental thing. I use my nexus 7 charger at home and my htc one at work and a high output Motorola in the car. My battery life has always been superb. Running latest viper with beastmode evita...
From what I know about charger outputs, it doesnt matter, it depends on the device. It can only pull in its max regardless of the charger. Higher the output in a charger should be better so your phone can pull in its max
There's also other factor that contributes to horrible battery life. Rogue apps, horrible networks that switches back and forth between lte and hspa+ and so on...
The last thing could just be a bad battery. Not common but I'm pretty sure it happens
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Is the N7 charger more amps than the One X charger? Some folks on here have said that the device will only pull the amps it needs, others have contradicted this. I don't know enough about the topic to comment either way. I use a Motorola charger on my One X every day, since it has a longer cord than the HTC charger and it happens to work better where I have it located on my desk.
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yep the specifications of amps is the current that the charger can handle, as long as the charger of the n7 can handle the same or more current than the one xl charger it should be ok, many chargers are 1A.
For the OP , i think you should definitively try with another rom, maybe stock to make sure that the problem is not your battery?
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Is the N7 charger more amps than the One X charger? Some folks on here have said that the device will only pull the amps it needs, others have contradicted this. I don't know enough about the topic to comment either way. I use a Motorola charger on my One X every day, since it has a longer cord than the HTC charger and it happens to work better where I have it located on my desk.
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On the one x charger says output: 1A, and in the N7 charger says output: 2A, but I only charged it like 2-3 times I guess, so I don't know why I have that poor battery life,.Maybe hardware problem? Or should I change my radio??
Also how can I know if its a hardware problem??
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are you still running viperXL? maybe there are some settings that are pulling your battery life... look in viperHub and viperTweaks
renehd2 said:
On the one x charger says output: 1A, and in the N7 charger says output: 2A, but I only charged it like 2-3 times I guess, so I don't know why I have that poor battery life,.Maybe hardware problem? Or should I change my radio??
Also how can I know if its a hardware problem??
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Your device isn't going to take in 2A. It's only going to take in what it can. I'm not saying that by using a different charger is not going to harm your device, it's just highly unlikely it will. They only way is to flash back to stock and see if that makes a different.
Also, you mention you had another 1x, is your current one a refurb or replacement? That may have something to do with it as well
The Rom is awesome but there are times when it doesn't work for very small numbers of devices...you're just prob unlucky.
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Your device isn't going to take in 2A. It's only going to take in what it can. I'm not saying that by using a different charger is not going to harm your device, it's just highly unlikely it will. They only way is to flash back to stock and see if that makes a different.
Also, you mention you had another 1x, is your current one a refurb or replacement? That may have something to do with it as well
The Rom is awesome but there are times when it doesn't work for very small numbers of devices...you're just prob unlucky.
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It's not a replacement, I soldy older one to a friend and bought this new one, with WiFi I have noticed that standby and normal usage I have a good battery life, the problem is when I'm on 3g/H, maybe could the radio? Because when I'm on data it drains really really fast, like 3-6% per hour on standby...
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renehd2 said:
It's not a replacement, I soldy older one to a friend and bought this new one, with WiFi I have noticed that standby and normal usage I have a good battery life, the problem is when I'm on 3g/H, maybe could the radio? Because when I'm on data it drains really really fast, like 3-6% per hour on standby...
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It might be your radio switching back and forth that's draining your battery.
I have 2 jobs, my first one has lte coverage but not so great in the building so it's always switching from LTE to 4g which I notice drains my battery. My 2nd job at night has great coverage in and out the warehouse. I get full bars of LTE there and my battery would drain very slowly.
In the beginning, I was worried as well because my battery drain seem like a lot so I thought something was wrong but then I checked the battery at my second job and it was great so I figured it was just the network and location.
Overall, especially compared to all the androids I ever used, the one x battery is pretty damn impressive especially for an LTE device.
I came from Verizon using the droid razr and galaxy nexus which couldn't make it past 4 hours on lte with light usage
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HYE_TECH said:
It might be your radio switching back and forth that's draining your battery.
I have 2 jobs, my first one has lte coverage but not so great in the building so it's always switching from LTE to 4g which I notice drains my battery. My 2nd job at night has great coverage in and out the warehouse. I get full bars of LTE there and my battery would drain very slowly.
In the beginning, I was worried as well because my battery drain seem like a lot so I thought something was wrong but then I checked the battery at my second job and it was great so I figured it was just the network and location.
Overall, especially compared to all the androids I ever used, the one x battery is pretty damn impressive especially for an LTE device.
I came from Verizon using the droid razr and galaxy nexus which couldn't make it past 4 hours on lte with light usage
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In from Mexico, so I don't have LTE here, but what I have noticed is that its always on H, with full bars, that's what worry me, yesterday I was on WiFi since I was in my house and the battery was very good, so probably is the radio,I will check with data today to be sure of Its the radio or the battery
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I've experienced crapp battery life after using my HP Touchpad charger.
Also, my 2nd HOX had horrible battery life out of the box. After fully draining > charging twice my screen on time went from 2.5 hours to 4+ hours with the exact same settings and usage.
Edit: while we're talking batteries... I heard a tech from.the ATT Device Service Center tell two people not to charge their phones overnight because leaving it on the charger when it's full is bad for the battery. Those guys are so smart! They must get their info from Yahoo Answers.
roscoejackson said:
I've experienced crapp battery life after using my HP Touchpad charger.
Also, my 2nd HOX had horrible battery life out of the box. After fully draining > charging twice my screen on time went from 2.5 hours to 4+ hours with the exact same settings and usage.
Edit: while we're talking batteries... I heard a tech from.the ATT Device Service Center tell two people not to charge their phones overnight because leaving it on the charger when it's full is bad for the battery. Those guys are so smart! They must get their info from Yahoo Answers.
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Maybe I have to do that full discharge and charge cycle, today I unplugged it at 9:25am and it's 12:40am and I still have 28% with 3hrs onscreen time. I'm happy hope that keeps going that way
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renehd2 said:
Maybe I have to do that full discharge and charge cycle
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The battery meter calibration gets wiped whenever you flash a custom ROM. You should do at least 2-3 power cycles before making any judgements on battery. Charge to full, but only drain to 10-20%. Draining to shutoff doesn't make it any more accurate, but has the added risk that once in a while the safety circuit will not engage properly, and you will be stuck with a battery that will not accept a charge.
Also, on any ROM but stock AT&T, you can toggle LTE off. Since you don't have LTE in your area, toggle it off (if you haven't already) in Settings>Mobile network settings>network mode.
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Your device isn't going to take in 2A. It's only going to take in what it can. I'm not saying that by using a different charger is not going to harm your device, it's just highly unlikely it will. They only way is to flash back to stock and see if that makes a different.
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That's the explanation I've read previously.
But if so, why did HTC used a different charger plug for the HTC Flyer tablet than all their phones? The charge port is an interesting one, in that its bigger than a MicroUSB port, but will still accept a MicroUSB charge or sync cable (the plug only takes up the bottom "half" of the port when plugged in). The pins needed for data sync are the same, and in fact you can actually plug any MicroUSB sync cable or charger into the Flyer. But you can't plug the Flyer's charger (1.62 Amp) to any HTC phone, only the Flyer (and I assume the Jetstream tablet).
Many have said that this is so people would not plug the Flyer charger to a phone, and damage the phone from the higher amps.
Seems like the difference in amps is the only reason HTC used a different charge port for the Flyer.
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The battery meter calibration gets wiped whenever you flash a custom ROM. You should do at least 2-3 power cycles before making any judgements on battery. Charge to full, but only drain to 10-20%. Draining to shutoff doesn't make it any more accurate, but has the added risk that once in a while the safety circuit will not engage properly, and you will be stuck with a battery that will not accept a charge.
Also, on any ROM but stock AT&T, you can toggle LTE off. Since you don't have LTE in your area, toggle it off (if you haven't already) in Settings>Mobile network settings>network mode.
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In my experience, an uncalibrated battery can go from 8% battery to 0% in a matter of minutes. The only way that I've corrected this is with a full discharge.
roscoejackson said:
In my experience, an uncalibrated battery can go from 8% battery to 0% in a matter of minutes. The only way that I've corrected this is with a full discharge.
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You're just calibrating the meter, not the battery. The notion of calibrating the battery is left over from 80s technology NiCad batteries.
Under the best of circumstances, the battery meter is nowhere near accurate enough to expect readings less than 8% to be accurate. If you've experienced some more "accurate" reading at this granularity, it may just be placebo or pure chance. Even if true, I'd rather have a bit of inaccuracy in the low end, rather than play with the probability of a battery that won't take a charge.
In any case, you shouldn't be running your battery down that low. We all do it once in a while, but it shouldn't be habit.
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In my experience, an uncalibrated battery can go from 8% battery to 0% in a matter of minutes. The only way that I've corrected this is with a full discharge.
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You would be wrong, the battery meter is recalibrated on each boot.
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You would be wrong, the battery meter is recalibrated on each boot.
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The battery usage data is wiped with each boot or charge (same as wiping battery stats). But I don't think that is the same as the calibration data.
renehd2 said:
Hello guys I'm I little worried. Here's the thing, I tried for some days figuring out how to root,unlock bootloader, super CID, etc.. it was with good battery life, but after I did all that, I installed the viperxl (i used it with my older HOXL) and everything ran good. What I have noticed is that my battery drain is so, I mean soooo bad..!
I tried a full wipe but I think it's still the same. My phone its brand new so there is no problem with older owners. I haven't changed the radio (maybe could be that?) I have lost more battery on standby than when using the phone and that didn't happened with my older HOXL
So could be that I messed my battery when I charged the phone with the nexus 7 charger??
Or what could be the problem?? Any suggestions will be good, thanks....
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I use my N7 charger all the time with no ill effects.
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Short but powerful,
Without all the blablabla straight to the point. I got ?fooled? by a phone company 's expert(?) who told me this was not going to do any damage to my phone, and refused me to give me my money back after i found out that the battery was not good(the same as OEM z710e voltage ratings) when i came home.
I have a z710e, it came out of the factory in 2011. Original battery specifications:
m/n BG58100 p/n 35H00150-02M (3.7VDC 5.62Whr 1520mah)
The battery triple checked by "Expert" and sold by him is a:
m/n BI39100 p/n 35H00170-01M (3.8VDC 6.08Whr 1600mah)
My phone model: z710e (PG58130) original battery p/n: 35H00150-02M from 2011.
Next time I'll check this stuff myself and don't let those people do it for me. They either don't have any good batteries for this model and just sell the one that actually over volts your phone. Or other batteries and so had in his mind to sell me this and don't care about it, like "oh well who the heck cares, this person will never find out and will return to me when his phones is death". Well I'm pretty sure that this will not make my phone last any longer than a year / half a year or less! And i still need it for a year or longer if possible.
Feel free to reply, but only if you know that what you are telling is 100% correct. Please avoid non-valid information or answers, thanks :good:
I am not a pro either but this just doesn't seem to be correct. Feel free to correct me, if i made any mistakes.
https://www.google.co.uk/?#q=35H00170-01M+compatibility
If you don't understand my actual question, then I'm deeply sorry. Often my stories are not so easy to understand duo to my bad English.
The question in a nutshell is simply : Will this higher end battery do damage to the phone and is my story right, i mean is this battery not compatible with my model because it can do damage duo to over volting the ma inboard/soc (because of higher battery output ratings?)
NiTrOwow said:
Short but powerful,
Without all the blablabla straight to the point. I got ?scammed? by a phone company 's expert(?) who told me this was not going to do any damage to my phone, and refused me to give me my money back after i found out that the battery was not good(the same as OEM z710e voltage ratings) when i came home.
I have a z710e, it came out of the factory in 2011. Original battery specifications:
m/n BG58100 p/n 35H00150-02M (3.7VDC 5.62Whr 1520mah)
The battery triple checked by "Expert" and sold by him is a:
m/n BI39100 p/n 35H00170-01M (3.8VDC 6.08Whr 1600mah)
My phone model: z710e (PG58130) original battery p/n: 35H00150-02M from 2011.
Next time I'll check this **** myself and don't let those people do it for me. They either don't have any good batteries for this model and just sell the one that actually over volts your phone. Or other batteries and so had in his mind to sell me this and don't care about it, like "oh well who the **** cares, this person will never find out and will return to me when his phones is death". Well I'm pretty sure that this will not make my phone last any longer than a year / half a year or less! And i still need it for a year or longer if possible.
Feel free to reply, but only if you know that what you are telling is 100% correct. Please avoid non-valid information or answers, thanks :good:
I am not a pro either but this just doesn't seem to be correct. Feel free to correct me, if i made any mistakes.
https://www.google.co.uk/?#q=35H00170-01M+compatibility
If you don't understand my actual question, then I'm deeply sorry. Often my stories are not so easy to understand duo to my bad English.
The question in a nutshell is simply : Will this higher end battery do damage to the phone and is my story right, i mean is this battery not compatible with my model because it can do damage duo to over volting the ma inboard/soc (because of higher battery output ratings?)
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First of all you should search a little bit more to see that the same battery (35H00170-01M) is offered by numerous companies as a replacement battery for various phone models (Titan, Vivid, z710e...) just like the battery from your phone (35H00150-02M) is offered for the same models.
Then, you can find the same battery (35H00170-01M) offered with different voltages, both 3.7V and 3.8V, and the difference of 0.1V will not harm your phone, cause, you can see it yourself, voltage rating for the original phone charger is 5V and it doesn't harm your phone.
And the last, the other data you got for the battery (Whr and mah) mean only that you have battery that should last longer than the original one you have.
I hope I helped...
nlooooo said:
First of all you should search a little bit more to see that the same battery (35H00170-01M) is offered by numerous companies as a replacement battery for various phone models (Titan, Vivid, z710e...) just like the battery from your phone (35H00150-02M) is offered for the same models.
Then, you can find the same battery (35H00170-01M) offered with different voltages, both 3.7V and 3.8V, and the difference of 0.1V will not harm your phone, cause, you can see it yourself, voltage rating for the original phone charger is 5V and it doesn't harm your phone.
And the last, the other data you got for the battery (Whr and mah) mean only that you have battery that should last longer than the original one you have.
I hope I helped...
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It indeed is, but i have really bad experience with replacement batteries. And those small 'voltage increases'. They end up to die quicker a lot quicker in my personal experience. And i think it is also the reason why, many sellers don't include my model in the compatibility list.The 3.8VDC 6.08whr version is meant for the XL and titan version witch is actually indeed the same but +300mhz overclocked.
NiTrOwow said:
It indeed is, but i have really bad experience with replacement batteries. And those small 'voltage increases'. They end up to die quicker a lot quicker in my personal experience. And i think it is also the reason why, many sellers don't include my model in the compatibility list.The 3.8VDC 6.08whr version is meant for the XL and titan version witch is actually indeed the same but +300mhz overclocked.
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To be honest I have some cheap s**t called Hinorx Extended Battery that's 1200mah (don't know what's extended there but that's what I got when I ordered regular replacement battery for Sensation) and it works really well, can go up to 25-30h with 2h of screen, lots of wifi (ARHD 7.3 with 1,5MHz o/c).
Don't worry about 0.1V, it means nothing. And for life of battery I hope you got warranty...
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To be honest I have some cheap s**t called Hinorx Extended Battery that's 1200mah (don't know what's extended there but that's what I got when I ordered regular replacement battery for Sensation) and it works really well, can go up to 25-30h with 2h of screen, lots of wifi (ARHD 7.3 with 1,5MHz o/c).
Don't worry about 0.1V, it means nothing. And for life of battery I hope you got warranty...
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It don't has warranty. But it's oke. It is a OEM battery they said. Btw it works fine, only had to use another charger with a output of 1.5a. It would not charge otherwise. But well, lets see how long it keeps working.
Haha it seems to not work charging for 5 hours now and still 0% cannot go in cwm recovery and when it starts it will reboot and orange/green led will blink again. I tried to reboot it several times, tried to clean/bend the pins and all the other tips from XDA forum seasrch results and nothing seems to work.. Great =(
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Haha it seems to not work charging for 5 hours now and still 0% cannot go in cwm recovery and when it starts it will reboot and orange/green led will blink again. I tried to reboot it several times, tried to clean/bend the pins and all the other tips from XDA forum seasrch results and nothing seems to work.. Great =(
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Did you try defferent chargers, stock one should (1A) be fine.
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Did you try defferent chargers, stock one should (1A) be fine.
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Yes i did but it got extremly hot so i switched back to the stock charger. And it actually should be fine? +0.1 volt doesn't matter?
The battery does not hold charge at all. It turns on battery level is 0% and will reboot and do orange/green led indication for as long as you keep it in the charger. When you get it out of the charger and turn it on it will go off as soon as android is loaded up intro the pincode screen. Guy at the store told me the led indication meant that the bettery is at an extremly low level of power and that it just needs to charge some more.
Well i have been charging it for like +5 hours now for sure. Using the OEM charger rated at 5VDC 1A. It is not the cable or faulty charger. If i test the output or on my tablet it works just fine. And with the old battery i'm able to charge it, but the old battery is dead, it does not hold load properly anymore. It drops a lot of times from 80% to 1% in like maybe 30 minutes of usage.
Also when using the GI39100 i cannot get intro adb or recovery..
NiTrOwow said:
Yes i did but it got extremly hot so i switched back to the stock charger. And it actually should be fine? +0.1 volt doesn't matter?
The battery does not hold charge at all. It turns on battery level is 0% and will reboot and do orange/green led indication for as long as you keep it in the charger. When you get it out of the charger and turn it on it will go off as soon as android is loaded up intro the pincode screen. Guy at the store told me the led indication meant that the bettery is at an extremly low level of power and that it just needs to charge some more.
Well i have been charging it for like +5 hours now for sure. Using the OEM charger rated at 5VDC 1A. It is not the cable or faulty charger. If i test the output or on my tablet it works just fine. And with the old battery i'm able to charge it, but the old battery is dead, it does not hold load properly anymore. It drops a lot of times from 80% to 1% in like maybe 30 minutes of usage.
Also when using the GI39100 i cannot get intro adb or recovery..
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Faulty battery. It's not about volts, it's about bad battery.
You should require replacement or reimbursement.
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Faulty battery. It's not about volts, it's about bad battery.
You should require replacement or reimbursement.
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It is the second brand new battery the guy in the store put intro it.
Both did the same, it just doens't work.
1. Does not turn on (sometimes when lucky)
2. Holds no charge
I did
1. Wipe battery stats (in the end, like 5 minutes ago from writting. It took me half an hour to get the phone booting while charging)
2. The phone started only twice, now it does nothing anymore (with this new bat).
Also the battery info was all wrong.
When i checked the 1st time when i got it on i went to settings > about the phone > status > batterystatus it did show me(i left it nearly 3 hours like this and still 0%):
- Batterystatus: Unknown <----------------- Before battery stat wipe, after wipe still the same, no power on.
- Battery level: 0% <----------------- Before battery stat wipe, after wipe still the same, no power on.
While it should look like this!
- Battery is being discharged (when not charging)
- Battery level: 93% (old poor battery meanwhile after so much testing already full again)
When i put the old battery in place it works without problems. When i put the new one in it doesn't + battery stats are not even readed by android itself and recovery menu stated a warning. "Warning phone is under-volted" or some message like that. And the LED indicator flash in an unusual way (orange/green) this probably is an error code. Well, complete nonsense because i use the same charger. And the XL version has the same 1A charger, so this makes no sense. The battery is just not compatible.
The battery has been charging for almost 13 hours now. And still 0% + orange/green led flashes.
I have no tools here i had to imprevise with crap, gluetape and a doorbell to get a cracky 5 dollar multimeter working, LoL.
here is the bat output;
a 0.08 v 20 3.52v hv 750 0.07 hv 200 06.8 with other words it should be fine to run and maybe get 50% battery level. But it is still z3r0~ when i put it in my phone.
Topic prefix can be set to [ANSWERED]. The m/n BI39100 p/n 35H00170-01M battery works just fine in the z710e. Confirmed to work, even with 0.1v increase (does not produce more heat or instability, like some cheap fake batteries do without protection IC xD)
I went back to the store they gave me another battery and it instantly worked. So i had two faulty batteries. Lucky me again haha....
Probably or the store where i got it from does not test bats and throws them intro one big box or just very very unlucky.
The battery stats now work, no warning in recovery menu and no orange/green flashing in the led indication.
So if somebody has the same issue as me, your battery is 100% sure faulty. And you should toss it back to the re-seller for warranty or if you purchased the parts loose RMA it.
Get or an good alternative non-oem brand like anker. That is sure to be safe and good of quality. And never use fake chargers from like cheap Chinese tabs or phones. Often they have terrible output and this can badly damage your battery/phone because the output might not be stable enough and drops and increases a lot of times, either using a 2A charger does not make any sense at all. It will go just as fast as a 1A charger because the limit is 1A through(in most phones some can have other ratings). Only thing that can damage your phone/battery is if you go over the 5VDC. More volts = more heat = less lifespan. Amps are taken by the device and volts are given.
Confused
The new battery i have now is a BI39100 35H00186-00M. The 35H00170-01M does not seem to work in a PG58130 z710e or i had two faulty batteries... ?
Hello there,
I just got my HTC One XL from ebay and I have some questions.
How should I do the first charge? Should I use my new cellphone first and wait to the battery discharge in order to make a full charge of 7 hours?
Thank you!
If you bought it from eBay it's almost definitely not new, so the first charging process isn't super important. But, if you really want to you can plug it in until the led turns green, continue to charge for another hour, disconnect, turn it on and discharge it fully, charge fully again, then use as normal. Except for this first charge kind of situation it's generally not a good idea to discharge your phone fully, top-up charges are the suggested method.
Sent from my Evita
It shouldn't matter too much with lipoly batteries, even when the phone says 0% it's still 3v which is only half discharged (safety margin around 2v before battery locks up and 4.2v which is 100%), there should be little concern with running a battery to the point it switches off as it would still have around 300 months shelf life.
There is no battery conditioning with lipoly only the way the android system determines the rate of discharge, it might for instance take 12 hours to get to 10% and then an hour to use up the last 10% as it's not figured out the discharge curve of the battery. Best thing to do is charge to 100% and allow it to run to switch off until it works out how fast or slow the battery rate is. Alot of the 'battery calibration' tools are worthless as they wipe the batterystats.bin which just allows android to determine this - giving odd readings (such as "my battery lasts twice as long to get to 50%" but then it is twice as fast from then on). useful if you have a new battery or it's out of whack but certainly dont need to do it regularly, contrary to a report by a so called android technician the batterystats.bin isnt wiped on reboot.
Sorry I go on a bit, I like to try and educate people on battery and charging methods to ensure they get the best out of them.. so as timaaa says, plug in and charge, use and discharge a few times and you'll get an accurate battery reading.
Sent from my HTC One XL using Tapatalk
Regardless of whether the battery is only discharging to 3v when you "fully" discharge it, repeating that process too many times is harmful to the long term life of the battery. I found an amazing article written by a battery scientist which contained some fantastic information, the core advice: don't repeatedly discharge your battery, top-up charges are the best way. If I can find a link I'll post it for reference.
Sent from my Evita
timmaaa said:
If you bought it from eBay it's almost definitely not new
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Why are you saying that? I bought it from: ebay.com/itm/111225894476?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
So, I have to plug it for make a full charge and then I have to use it, I will recharge it when it is 10% or 20% of charge?
sombragn said:
Why are you saying that? I bought it from: ebay.com/itm/111225894476?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
So, I have to plug it for make a full charge and then I have to use it, I will recharge it when it is 10% or 20% of charge?
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The reason @timmaaa is saying that is because since our phone is so old (July 2012 release) it would be a bit weird to see a new phone there on ebay.
The first charge should be around 8 hours.Then you discharge once it hits 5% or so. Then charge it up full again, and let it die completely this time. and then charge full and don't worry about it again.
Now, more importantly, now that you have a new phone: WELCOME TO THE ONE XL FORUM! Hopefully we can see you around, trying out the various ROMs. A word of advice though: if you plan on trying these ROMs, I highly recommend you get root, boot unlock, and s-off all before you go and take the Sense 5 OTA that contains the latest (and non-unlockable) bootloader
timmaaa said:
If you bought it from eBay it's almost definitely not new, so the first charging process isn't super important. But, if you really want to you can plug it in until the led turns green, continue to charge for another hour, disconnect, turn it on and discharge it fully, charge fully again, then use as normal. Except for this first charge kind of situation it's generally not a good idea to discharge your phone fully, top-up charges are the suggested method.
Sent from my Evita
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pandasa123 said:
The reason @timmaaa is saying that is because since our phone is so old (July 2012 release) it would be a bit weird to see a new phone there on ebay.
The first charge should be around 8 hours.Then you discharge once it hits 5% or so. Then charge it up full again, and let it die completely this time. and then charge full and don't worry about it again.
Now, more importantly, now that you have a new phone: WELCOME TO THE ONE XL FORUM! Hopefully we can see you around, trying out the various ROMs. A word of advice though: if you plan on trying these ROMs, I highly recommend you get root, boot unlock, and s-off all before you go and take the Sense 5 OTA that contains the latest (and non-unlockable) bootloader
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Sorry, I am an old man with a family and i dont have a lot of time to search by myself.
First, thank you very much for your answers guys.
Second, is there a way to find out if the cellphone has been used? The phone looks like new tho.
Thank you guys and thanks for answering!
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Sorry, I am an old man with a family and i dont have a lot of time to search by myself.
First, thank you very much for your answers guys.
Second, is there a way to find out if the cellphone has been used? The phone looks like new tho.
Thank you guys and thanks for answering!
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If there is a way to see it a smartphone has been used?....hmm that's a really good question. I would try checking the imei with HTC. See how long ago if the product has been used. That's all I can think of
sombragn said:
Why are you saying that? I bought it from: ebay.com/itm/111225894476?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
So, I have to plug it for make a full charge and then I have to use it, I will recharge it when it is 10% or 20% of charge?
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It'd be highly unlikely for a phone that's over two years old now for there to be any new ones out in the marketplace at all. Even if it looks new, it's probably refurbished at best.
sombragn said:
Sorry, I am an old man with a family and i dont have a lot of time to search by myself.
First, thank you very much for your answers guys.
Second, is there a way to find out if the cellphone has been used? The phone looks like new tho.
Thank you guys and thanks for answering!
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As pandasa said, you could try checking with HTC, short of that I don't have any ideas. If the phone performs well though it really doesn't matter if it isn't brand new, I only said that because if it isn't new I doesn't desperately need the usual first charge treatment.
Sent from my Evita
timmaaa said:
It'd be highly unlikely for a phone that's over two years old now for there to be any new ones out in the marketplace at all. Even if it looks new, it's probably refurbished at best.
As pandasa said, you could try checking with HTC, short of that I don't have any ideas. If the phone performs well though it really doesn't matter if it isn't brand new, I only said that because if it isn't new I doesn't desperately need the usual first charge treatment.
Sent from my Evita
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I see, where can I check the imei online? Thank you guys, I mean it
sombragn said:
I see, where can I check the imei online? Thank you guys, I mean it
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Just hit the thanks button. It's pretty much the same thing. To check the imei: boot into the bootloader. So turn the device off, then hold PWR + VOL DOWN at the same time. The imei should be there
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Just hit the thanks button. It's pretty much the same thing. To check the imei: boot into the bootloader. So turn the device off, then hold PWR + VOL DOWN at the same time. The imei should be there
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I clicked on Thanks bottons, thanks
But, what should i see on the screen? IMEI are numbers, right? do you want me to copy and paste here? Thank you.
sombragn said:
I clicked on Thanks bottons, thanks
But, what should i see on the screen? IMEI are numbers, right? do you want me to copy and paste here? Thank you.
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NEVER post your IMEI. It should say "IMEI: " and then a bunch of numbers and/or letters. You'll know when you see it