While I recognize that the idea behind the new member policy is sound, restricting new users from having meaningful interaction with ROM developers that has any chance of being seen is rather counterproductive. The message here is effectively go post 10 useless filler posts in some forum you can post to and then you can go back to the thread you had something useful to contribute to. Sure there is a wealth of information available to search but a specific aspect of a particular ROM on a particular device has no more effective home. A ROM developer for one ROM on a single device is not going to have the time to find a post in general forums to even read it let alone respond in the wrong thread to answer the person. This forum is too big for this type of policy to be effective and meaningful in my opinion.
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The 10 post rule does several things. One of the most important things it does is keep commercial spam (especially spambots) out of the development forums. The DEV forums are really the heart of xda, so it makes sense to try and keep the spam far far away. The DEV forums really are for Development, so it also makes sense to give new users time to get acclimatized to what that really means and what is expected from their posts. The extra time also helps them to find their way on xda, because it just keeps getting larger.
Seriously, in the absence of the 10 post rule, the Dev forums would be full of offers for Louis Vuitton Bags, questions in the wrong place, questions that a few seconds of searching would give many many answers, bazzillions of "Thank You" posts, etc.
The answer is not to rush around and make 10 useless posts in the other forums, that is just making the problem worse. There are a lot of useful ways that allow you to get your 10 posts relatively quickly...and like most things on xda, there are already guides for this
10 post guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1069298
New Users guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1699450
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Thinking of posting a new thread???
Please read the following
Forum Searching | Posting | The Basics: (Make sure you've read them before starting a new thread)
Forum Rules - http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=642
Forum Search - http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php
Google Forum Search - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304582
Advanced Searching - http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=How%20to%20use%20Advanced%20Search%20on%20XDA-Developers%20Forum
XDA "Mantra" - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
Post What Where:
General - general technical discussion items, news, anything else that does not fit into the other fora categories.
Q&A (Questions and Answers) - all questions, irrespective of type, get posted in here whether they be theme related, accessory related, technical, etc.
Accessories - any items to do with components and/or accessories relating to your device.
Rom Development - only meant for very advanced technical discussion directly related to ROM development activity and the delivery of actual ROMs and ROM components ONLY. Nothing else goes in here.
Themes & Apps - anything to do directly with the development of themes and/or applications. Nothing else goes in here.
EDIT: BEFORE POSTING ANY THREAD IN THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:
If you have developed a ROM, or are working with others to do so, the development forum is somewhere to discuss and share ideas, post useful feedback and logs or crash dumps, and to discuss a common goal developers are trying to achieve.
It is NOT the place to post your question because it gets higher traffic, or because more experienced users frequent it. Doing this just annoys those who are working on the device, and drives them away. Developers don't want to wade through 20 threads of "Help me urgently" to find their threads for porting and fixing camera issues etc. Similarly, if a thread is designated as discussion for developers say, porting a camera fix, please do not post in there asking "When will it be ready?", "Can I flash this yet?" etc. This is both completely disrespectful to those working on the project (you evidently haven't read the important posts in the thread), and also is making it harder for developers to find comments from other developers or testers when required.
Similarly, don't make loads of "Thanks for your work here" posts in an active development thread. It's just as annoying to developers as asking when something will be ready. If a ROM is complete, then go ahead and thank the developer if you wish, but don't go into threads for devs only, and interrupt it to post "thanks". It's basically spamming, and is treated as such.
If you are posting in development, you should have read every sticky and notice there, and should be actively developing or helping in the development of something. Developing isn't installing a ROM, or using a tweak, it's creating a ROM or other hack or tweak. If you haven't read for several days before starting out on XDA, you are likely about to ask something already solved. I registered on XDA when I first wanted to post, and that was to join in a discussion on something. Sure, join up and ask a question, but read the information available in General and Q&A first, as your question will have been asked before. Search is your friend here, become familiar with it.
Regarding when to post in development if you are not actually developing something, there is one occasion where it's acceptable. If you find a leak of a new ROM, which isn't already posted, and you verify it's legitimacy via either running it, or based on the source you obtained it from, then this is assisting in development, and should be posted in development. If you want to ask when a leak will be available use search first, then if not already in discussion, open a thread in general or Q&A.
If you have a problem flashing a ROM, this is NOT related to development. It's up to you to determine if it is specific to a particular ROM, and post useful information in that developer's existing thread for the ROM. If it happens on more than one ROM, and isn't a known issue (remember you should read several times more words than you post), then find out what you are doing wrong. Check guides written by others, try to repeat the problem and see if it happens every time. Something needs to be reproducible to be fixed effectively.
Once you have identified what you need help with go to the device Q&A forum (general if device lacks one), and make a clear, informative thread that explains the issue, and what you have tried doing to fix it. Did you re-download the ROM? Did you ask a friend to flash it for you, to reduce chance of user error? What steps (exactly) did you follow? What errors did you see (exact wording)? Did you double check all the steps? Did you do a wipe or hard reset?
If you make a clear, concise, yet detailed post, you will find help forthcoming, and should get the problem sorted very quickly. If someone suggests you try something, report back on what happened, did it work etc. Then, next time someone has this issue and searches, they will find this and have a verified and tested solution.
So remember... before you start a thread in development, ask yourself what you are developing. If you can't answer, then stop, step away from the post button, and think about where you are posting. Would it be better in General or Q&A, or is some more time with your best friend, search, required?
Did you post and now you can't find it?
1. Try looking at your previous posts by using the link below (replace *userid* with your userid)
Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?do=finduser&u=*userid*
or go to your profile and it is under statistics.
2. If you can't find it, it was probably deleted.
3. If you think it was deleted DO NOT POST about it. PM neoobs (me) and I will try to find it. If it was deleted by mistake I will recover it for you.
If you start a thread asking where your post/thread went, I will delete it. If you start too many of these threads, I will ban you for a week.
I am locking Tutorials to try and keep them clean, Please try to add a page to the wiki or add to another page (all hero tweaks under the page for their specific rom) with what you posted.
If you need a support question answered PM me and I will reopen it.
First post updated. Please read it
Thinking of posting a new thread???
Please read the following
Forum Searching | Posting | The Basics: (Make sure you've read them before starting a new thread)
Forum Rules - http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=642
Forum Search - http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php
Google Forum Search - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304582
Advanced Searching - http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=How to use Advanced Search on XDA-Developers Forum
XDA "Mantra" - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
A Solid XDA Post to Read- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2441
Post What Where:
General - general technical discussion items, news, anything else that does not fit into the other fora categories.
Q&A (Questions and Answers) - all questions, irrespective of type, get posted in here whether they be theme related, accessory related, technical, etc.
Accessories - any items to do with components and/or accessories relating to your device.
Development - only meant for very advanced technical discussion directly related to ROM/Kernel/Device development activity. Nothing else goes in here.
Themes & Apps - anything to do directly with the development of themes and/or applications. Nothing else goes in here.
EDIT: BEFORE POSTING ANY THREAD IN THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:
If you have developed a ROM/Kernel/Device Hack/Mod, or are working with others to do so, the development forum is somewhere to discuss and share ideas, post useful feedback and logs or crash dumps, and to discuss a common goal developers are trying to achieve.
It is NOT the place to post your question because it gets higher traffic, or because more experienced users frequent it. Doing this just annoys those who are working on the device, and drives them away. Developers don't want to wade through 20 threads of "Help me urgently" to find their threads for porting and fixing camera issues etc. Similarly, if a thread is designated as discussion for developers say, porting a camera fix, please do not post in there asking "When will it be ready?", "Can I flash this yet?" etc. This is both completely disrespectful to those working on the project (you evidently haven't read the important posts in the thread), and also is making it harder for developers to find comments from other developers or testers when required.
Similarly, don't make loads of "Thanks for your work here" posts in an active development thread. It's just as annoying to developers as asking when something will be ready. If a ROM is complete, then go ahead and thank the developer if you wish, but don't go into threads for devs only, and interrupt it to post "thanks". It's basically spamming, and is treated as such.
If you are posting in development, you should have read every sticky and notice there, and should be actively developing or helping in the development of something. Developing isn't installing a ROM, or using a tweak, it's creating a ROM or other hack or tweak. If you haven't read for several days before starting out on XDA, you are likely about to ask something already solved. I registered on XDA when I first wanted to post, and that was to join in a discussion on something. Sure, join up and ask a question, but read the information available in General and Q&A first, as your question will have been asked before. Search is your friend here, become familiar with it.
Regarding when to post in development if you are not actually developing something, there is one occasion where it's acceptable. If you find a leak of a new ROM, which isn't already posted, and you verify it's legitimacy via either running it, or based on the source you obtained it from, then this is assisting in development, and should be posted in development. If you want to ask when a leak will be available use search first, then if not already in discussion, open a thread in general or Q&A.
If you have a problem flashing a ROM, this is NOT related to development. It's up to you to determine if it is specific to a particular ROM, and post useful information in that developer's existing thread for the ROM. If it happens on more than one ROM, and isn't a known issue (remember you should read several times more words than you post), then find out what you are doing wrong. Check guides written by others, try to repeat the problem and see if it happens every time. Something needs to be reproducible to be fixed effectively.
Once you have identified what you need help with go to the device Q&A forum (general if device lacks one), and make a clear, informative thread that explains the issue, and what you have tried doing to fix it. Did you re-download the ROM? Did you ask a friend to flash it for you, to reduce chance of user error? What steps (exactly) did you follow? What errors did you see (exact wording)? Did you double check all the steps? Did you do a wipe or hard reset?
If you make a clear, concise, yet detailed post, you will find help forthcoming, and should get the problem sorted very quickly. If someone suggests you try something, report back on what happened, did it work etc. Then, next time someone has this issue and searches, they will find this and have a verified and tested solution.
So remember... before you start a thread in development, ask yourself what you are developing?... If you can't answer, then stop, step away from the post button, and think about where you are posting. Would it be better in General or Q&A, or is some more time with your best friend, search, required?
*Posting outside these guidelines will find the thread moved, deleted, or locked depending on the situation.
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Well for starters, you can read the guide mentioned in my sig, "how to be a new user (and nit a n00b)"...
And just to emphasize on what the above message said, DO search before posting
If you have any other questions about xda (which isn't already covered by the new user guide), you can ask here, and I or some other user will help you out...
Isn't it ridiculous to restrict people from posting or replying in the Dev rooms? I've been flashing cm10.1 nightlies heavily for my skyrocket and there is currently an ongoing issue, indeed a very serious issue in my opinion, i.e. audio loss when making or receiving calls. However, using Roger's ROMs from 03/09 fixes this issue. I wanted to give my feedback as well as big thanks and appreciation to the devs (roger_n and TeamChopsticks) for their contribution but it won't allow me.
OK this is what I got:
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k20- said:
Isn't it ridiculous to restrict people from posting or replying in the Dev rooms? I've been flashing cm10.1 nightlies heavily for my skyrocket and there is currently an ongoing issue, indeed a very serious issue in my opinion, i.e. audio loss when making or receiving calls. However, using Roger's ROMs from 03/09 fixes this issue. I wanted to give my feedback as well as big thanks and appreciation to the devs (roger_n and TeamChopsticks) for their contribution but it won't allow me.
OK this is what I got:
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As I see right now, you are only 7 posts away from having the ability to post on that thread. The 10-post limit may seem counter-intuitive for users only coming on here to post helpful information about a specific development topic, but in fact it has spared developers (like myself) from a TON of unnecessary posts just saying thank you or "bug" posts that have been discussed in detail in other posts. Also, there is a "Like" button for exactly this reason. This eliminates (or attempts to) off-topic "Thank you" posts.
Not gonna happen. Thread closed
Just an idea I'm not sure if it is a plausable idea but seeing there is so much chatter across devices regarding updates of ROM/Kernels and asking ETA's it might be worth considering some type of popup for the first post each day for logged in users that states the following :
"Respect the rules of the forums : (Hyperlink to rules)
Remember that many of the developers do this in their own time, please attempt to keep things on topic and don't ask for ETA's Developers will provide any information when they are good and ready.
Don't forget to subscribe to your favorite threads ! So you don't miss a thing"
Do you agree to this ? ( check box required here and a time allotment before allowing the box to be ticked )
This way for users who infrequently check back just to look for free stuff that people have worked hard and post baltently ask for ETA's e.c.t are forced to see some basic rules or follow the URL to the forums rules before posting fodder.
I know this would impact some users but a lot of people are regulars and help out others in threads and contribute, these people would likely just accept this once a day when they log in.
I know it won't stop many but then when a mod does chime in they can say hey look you agreed to play by the rules and still you persist in going OT or asking for ETA's and I'd deem that as fair warning.
Some forums have a rules section but its not very promently displayed nor do many people end up checking them a shorter condensed friendly reminder on first login of a day won't really hurt ?
I think there is lot of rules and regulations are there before submitting a comment.It must be important,because of avoiding such an unnecessary commennts. All comments will be made available to public. Comments sent via online form or e-mail, will be posted on the website. Comments sent via paper will be converted to PDF and then posted on the website. We do not edit personal identifying information from submissions, submit only information that you wish to make available publicly.
The online form is accessed by a "Submit comments" link. Attachments can be included.