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Updates (twitter.com/TwistedUmbrella):
Remix Re-established Concept:
http://code.google.com/p/cupcake-frosting/
You can find previous updates and info there
Update 2: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CTGCPR4
Excellent idea! I was hoping someone would do this.
I'll load it up this morning and let you know if I see any issues!
Ahhh perfect, I was poking around to see what I would need to do to bring the multitouch browser to H (I already have the Voice Search and Dialer) and I find this. Thank's dude.
Hmmmm sounds tempting, but how does the speed compare to adp hr3?
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Hmmmm sounds tempting, but how does the speed compare to adp hr3?
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Not 100% sure, but this loads faster on mine. I "overclock" to slow to save battery haha but I didn't notice a difference running hr3. I've been going back and forth trying to get what I need. The blue lock screen overlay is actually the MAIN reason I am doing this. Stupid, huh?
Key factor may be that I DID update the radio.
I did leave out superuser, spare parts, and anything else that can be installed normally for those who don't want them. I change my mind about apps hourly so I try to keep default installs as clean as possible to avoid troublesome adb commands.
This sounds very intersting. Does it include the Exchange integration from the 5.0H build?
This is EXACTLY what I've been waiting for... soon as you get locked down which apps ur keeping, I'm on it.
Sounds great twisted. I'm in love with 5.0.2H because of the mail app and pdfviewer. Yesterday I stepped up to ADP1.5 and although it was fast, it's missing these key components that I use daily. I look forward to you app log.
This is really interesting. I can't wait to hear(read) thee results. Lol
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This sounds very intersting. Does it include the Exchange integration from the 5.0H build?
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It currently has the 5.0.2 exchange. I saw no point in taking it out. I don't use it but I know it's far easier to remove system components like that than it is to implement them once an update is installed.
So far I see no real difference in Gmail. Mail seems to crash for me in 1.5 with something about a Plus account - looks like 5.0.2 mail stays. Maps and Market will be updated because I see no reason not to.
Any thoughts on Gmail? Anyone see any updates worth having?
Can you put the H build camera in the build instead of the 1.5.3 camera? The HTC camera was far superior than the google implementation. That's all I can think of so far
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Can you put the H build camera in the build instead of the 1.5.3 camera? The HTC camera was far superior than the google implementation. That's all I can think of so far
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H camera crashed when using the camera button. The one I'm using is the one from the "add features to 5.0.xH" thread. Seems to be the most stable and all you really lose is zoom. Forgot to take out additional HTCAlbum, though. Planning to fix this and some other updates when I get back to my hideout. If I can remap the H camera button I will get that in there, but that takes a little longer than just swapping apks.
a2sd
is this version an as2d version?
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is this version an as2d version?
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Please allow me time to obtain all the information I need (and the conmplimentary copy of Paragon) before I begin posting parallel versions for those of you that require a2sd. Until then I am taking the advice of a pm and adding in the black vk. It is "slick"
Please feel free to follow me on twitter at the same name. Much as I have followed the trend of making one for such an endeavor.
Please excuse the fact that I edit my posts almost immediately. I view them from my G1 and while the logic may be flawed, I find them cleaner when words do not hang loosely into additional lines.
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5.0.2hr5a-twisted:
Items From 5.0.2:
Messaging
Calendar
Contacts
Youtube (Temporarily)
Mail, Music, and Gmail
Widget Interface
Chinese Keyboard
Items From 1.5.3:
Multitouch Browser
VoiceSearch
VoiceDialer
Google Sync
Android Keyboard
Updated Camera
Updated Settings
Updated System
Updated Market
Updated Maps
This was for those, like me, that liked the original look and feel of the Haykuro 5 series builds and didn't want to miss out on the new features of the 1.5 series builds. My own firmware is very custom so no screenshots currently.
http://sharebee.com/1965e7ad
http://sharebee.com/c4919794
Please let me know if you test this and find any bugs. I know altering updates MAY cause items to crash when installed. I will fix them ASAP.
Currently in the process of checking out Dude's Cupcake to see if anything in there might improve the build.
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any chance you could add the launcher in from here? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=507244 Or does this now not have the problem when you slide out the keybord? Because im currently running an old version of this rom i think? I had to install G keybord my self so.. Almost deff :L lol, Oh dont meen to be fussy but ayway you you edit the title of the thread whenever you update? only this seems a very intrsting build as i tooo love the HTC look and dont wanna loose the feel exactly cheers for your work dude
everything seems to work. not seeing the multi-touch...suppose to be there right. not a big deal, just testing out the version.
How is this going?
Still developing the build?
Looks great, and appears to fit me perfectly!
However, what is the difference between the two builds that you link to in your first post?
Is the 5.0.2hr5-twisted.zip the normal version, while the 5.0.2hr5a-twisted.zip is the Apps2SD version?
Zappza said:
How is this going?
Still developing the build?
Looks great, and appears to fit me perfectly!
However, what is the difference between the two builds that you link to in your first post?
Is the 5.0.2hr5-twisted.zip the normal version, while the 5.0.2hr5a-twisted.zip is the Apps2SD version?
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Sorry apps2sd is still coming. Having technical difficulties with getting both my G1 and computer to recognize the same partitions. The new version has the Andreoid keyboard included along with updates to youtube, maps, and market. The slider problem still exists for a day or two. Wanted to get the new market in place because I isolated the market download issue to have been cooperation between market and launcher. Now that the new market accepts downloads I can fix launcher. Expect updates tomorrow. I have a 4-hour block of boredom. Hehe.
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everything seems to work. not seeing the multi-touch...suppose to be there right. not a big deal, just testing out the version.
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Still isolating libs and such. JesusFreke redid the kernel so the program alone was not enough. Didn't think that far ahead when I was throwing parts together. I'm learning as I tear apart the 7 builds on my desktop. I just have to teach myself as I go.
Open source never meant well-documented.
Plans are in the works to go backwards from the HTC build, but like most others I need something to default back to when I'm not testing. Building this version was first priority with that being my next step. That is when the speed increases will occur with some new features. Can't say I'm not a dreamer, right?
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Sorry apps2sd is still coming. Having technical difficulties with getting both my G1 and computer to recognize the same partitions. The new version has the Andreoid keyboard included along with updates to youtube, maps, and market. The slider problem still exists for a day or two. Wanted to get the new market in place because I isolated the market download issue to have been cooperation between market and launcher. Now that the new market accepts downloads I can fix launcher. Expect updates tomorrow. I have a 4-hour block of boredom. Hehe.
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Beautiful!
I love your work!
Alright, this is a strange one. I'm wondering if anyone else can confirm this, although I bet few have probably noticed it.
I normally update my installed apps by going to the Market app and selecting "My Downloads." Often times I'll see "update available" and then I install the update, which wipes out the previous version.
Last week, I found an app called aTrackDog, which basically is a version tracker for your apps. It goes out and finds new versions and notifies you, so you can go download your updates. It not only follows the market, but also the app developer's homepage, in case they release their update through different mediums. I don't use it to install or uninstall, just track my versions.
This is when I started paying attention to the version numbers of a few apps. For this example, we'll talk about Advanced Task Manager and Pandora. I updated ATM from 3.5 to 3.6, and Pandora from 1.0.0 to 1.1.0. To do this, since the market didn't say there was an update, I uninstalled each app, and then reinstalled from the market. Everything was great, and each app showed its new version, from the splash screen on Pandora, to how ATM was listed in Task Panel, as version 3.6.
I just rebooted my phone because I was getting the 99% uptime thing, and wanted to mess around with killing the messages task to see if that made a difference. Much to my surprise, when my phone restarted, my phone has reverted many of my apps back to older versions.
My Advanced Task Manager now is back to version 3.5, Pandora is back to 1.0.0, and many other apps are affected.
This seems like a MAJOR BUG. Can anyone else confirm this at all?
To recreate this issue, if you have Pandora version 1.0.0 currently, or 1.1.0, uninstall and reinstall it. You then will have version 1.1.1 I believe. Then reboot your phone, and start Pandora back up. Does it still say 1.1.1?
I have found this also happens with Advanced Task Manager, and Mileage. I'm sure there's others, but those are a couple of examples. This has happened to me at least twice that I'm aware of.
EDIT-- Here's three links on other Android forums where someone else is experiencing this same thing.
http://androidforums.com/htc-hero/12577-app-updates-cause-problems-icons-etc.html
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f41/apps-reverting-to-old-version-27414/#post262526
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/127189
I've noticed this too. I've really noticed it with NewsRob because it will pop up a message stating " A new version is available", but the Market knows what I downloaded last so it states that there is no update. I was wondering, since I too had Atrackdog installed (not anymore) if it was an issue with that program, maybe an issue with just what version was listed in certain programs (as in some piece of code to display the version number got messed up) or if there really was automatic downgrading going on...
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I've noticed this too. I've really noticed it with NewsRob because it will pop up a message stating " A new version is available", but the Market knows what I downloaded last so it states that there is no update. I was wondering, since I too had Atrackdog installed (not anymore) if it was an issue with that program, maybe an issue with just what version was listed in certain programs (as in some piece of code to display the version number got messed up) or if there really was automatic downgrading going on...
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I've tried to remove aTrackDog, and I'm still getting the same behavior. I really doubt that it has to do with that app, but rather the people that use that app are more aware of version numbers, and are the ones noticing it.
I'm assuming lots of people have Pandora on this board (or mileage, Advanced Task Manager or NewsRob for that matter) so we need more people to try to reproduce this issue!
What I'm trying now is to uninstall the app (in my case I'm using Pandora as it says the version number on launch) then reboot the phone, and then reinstall, use it to see the new version, and then reboot to see if it gets reverted.
What's the result? IT REVERTED AGAIN. This is definitely a bigger issue than we realize...but WE NEED PEOPLE TO REPRODUCE THIS.
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I also emailed Pandora support to see if they can't reproduce the issue or help me figure out what's up.
I also emailed the devs for aTrackDog to see if they can't shed some light on what might be going on. Hopefully they'll be quick to help, so we can squash this biznatch.
I also posted a question in the App Market Google Forum, and hopefully someone at Google will help figure this out. http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=56ff6f465d6e5e34&hl=en
I also reproduced this issue with TEN more apps:
Astro File Manager
Google Sky
Google Voice
Backgrounds
Barcode Scanner
Shop Savvy
Battery Widget
Daily Horoscope
Facebook
Movie Finder
Google, you got some 'splaining to do.
I use Astro to backup files to my SD card. After I reboot I go through all the "red" files (ones where the SD card version is newer than the installed version) and "upgrade" them with the SD card version.
Alas the Market app tends to "lose" the fact I downloaded some of these apps and no longer tracks them for updates
Something is definitely wrong somewhere.
I'm seeing the same issue, I even tried a factory reset and still happening.
You can add to the list:
Touchdown
Sipdroid
I think it is just about all apps. Even if you uninstall and reinstall the latest version seems to revert back to original version you installed for the first time.
Locale...
This happened to me this week with Locale. I had beta .68 and upgraded to beta .69.
A couple of days later, I noticed I was still running beta .68. I thought maybe they had forgotten to update the name in the app itself, but after seeing this thread, I'm betting it's an HTC Sprint Hero bug.
I also re-visited the Android Market to see if I could re-download beta .69, but it didn't recognize that the program could be updated. It must think I'm running beta .69, but I'm pretty sure I'm still rocking beta .68.
Verrrrry strange...
I just reproduced this as well, with AK Notepad.
I had 1.9.3b installed; upgraded to 1.9.4. rebooted; now it shows 1.9.3b again
I'm using modaco's rom with apps2sd setup. Is this happening on stock heros too?
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From what I've been able to gather from Handcent SMS's version changelog and look for in the actual application I have on my phone, it appears that it is only the display of the version that is reverting, not the application itself. I have this issue with Handcent and even the "about" dialog inside the application reports the older version, but I am seeing features and changes that only appear in later versions according to the changelog. We'd need a major update of an application to test this further.
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grinched from #android on EFNet helped test this on a stock CDMA Hero and was able to replicate it with Barcode Scanner.
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I just reproduced this as well, with AK Notepad.
I had 1.9.3b installed; upgraded to 1.9.4. rebooted; now it shows 1.9.3b again
I'm using modaco's rom with apps2sd setup. Is this happening on stock heros too?
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<ignore, wrote in wrong thread>
See my fix in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=581806
gilroykilroy said:
See my fix in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=581806
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I'm going to root my Hero and give this a shot tonight. A HUGE preemptive THANK YOU!!!!!
This has been driving me nuts!!!
Nathan, you might want to try this one too (maybe first)?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582176
Basically the same thing, but you delete the entire cache directory instead of just the broken ones one at a time. The cache is recreated after you reboot.
mercado79 said:
Nathan, you might want to try this one too (maybe first)?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582176
Basically the same thing, but you delete the entire cache directory instead of just the broken ones one at a time. The cache is recreated after you reboot.
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Just an FYI, I'm married, but I friggin love you guys!! This is why XDA is my favorite place. Such a wealth of knowledgeable and great people. Thanks again everyone, MUCH MUCH appreciated.
Ooops... forums are acting buggy.
Edit 5/18/2010
FIRST PUBLIC BETA OF MY EDITS TO THIS ROM ARE OUT! CHECK THEM OUT HERE:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6518000
Mods! Please close this thread! PLEASE do not post in this thread about my Beta! I don't need to be tracking 2 threads!
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Browsing Google for new roms to check out, review and breakdown for my own learning pleasure, I stumbled across this hero rom of Android 2.1 with SenseUI.
http://www.4shared.com/file/163848444/8c7602ca/Hero_21.html
Tried to google search the archive name as well as the full 4shared link but couldn't find any articles about it anywhere. (If you know where its from let me know!)
Flashed it on my 32B Magic (MyTouch). This rom is INCREDIBLE. Booted up from flash to setup in less than 3 minutes, everything in setup ran smoothly and quickly (with one exception, I'll note below).
This is SO FAST, right off the bat, no SetCPU, no nothing, AND THE PHONE COMES UP INSTANTLY WHEN RECEIVING A CALL! No force closes so far, no non responding apps, NOTHING.
I've found 2 problems with the rom - Gmail setup can't seem to find a data connection (but the browser and IM clients do - weird? is this a CDMA rom? How do I check?) and the homescreen reboots anytime you hit the "Home" button - but it only takes a second or two to finish. I'm going to fly spare parts onto it and see if I can keep home in memory.
If anyone knows who's rom this is, let me know! Also, if it IS a CDMA rom, can someone port it to GSM? About Phone says this is the HTC Hero, but the Kernel says it is "Unavailable".
TRY THIS ROM, ITS AWESOME! If I can get gmail to work and the home app to stay in memory this will be my daily rom until CR brings his Slide rom out of beta and it runs this fast.
EDIT: Doing some testing, results of set 1
Comes with SU installed and working.
Text messages - working
Sense Widgets - working
Phone calls (in and outbound) - working and SUPER fast, there's NO lag!
NO CAMERA!
wifi - broken? says its unable to start
bluetooth - same as wifi
Gmail - broken? Can't get a data connection to gmail
Market - not working, because I can't get into gmail :-(
Browser - working, browsing the web as we speak
Keyboard - working (HTC_IME with no lag or weird ram-hack like problems.)
SetCPU (installed through adb) - installed and now this thing is just... I mean, there's no words for it. its fast. its really fast.
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I'm working on building off of this rom - but I'm not copying and pasting in a ktichen, I'm actually working to rewrite code, replacing drivers, updating with a new kernel and above all else, making the apps work together. Right now I'm working to fix sync and make the prgram list actually display all the installed apps. This is tedious work, but Ill update you guys on my progress as it happens. I think this is a great rom to build off of because from the start, its super fast and as long as I keep speed in mind as I work on the rom, I think the end result will be a good one. If you have any suggestions I'd love to hear them, both for fixes and modifications to this rom. I'm new to android development so I'm doing a hell of a lot of reading right now but I'm a 8 year programmer and do it for 9 hours a day, 5 days a week, so it's not like programming is new to me - just the android side of it. I'd like to thank Cyanogen fo his wealth of tutorials, repositories, and tips because most of the stuff I'm reading and learning was written by him.
Bugfix log for NEXT release (NOT THE CURRENT ONE!)
Facebook App and sync - fixed
Camera/Video
Wifi
Widgets (they don't all appear in the add widget list)
Google sync - Partially fixed... still working on it
App list not showing all installed apps - Working on it, still don't have any idea why its happening but I will find out if it kills me
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[5/9/10] On the google sync issue - I originally thought it was a Hero caching problem, having found a ton of information of this happening on stock hero devices, but it turns out it wasn't. In the process of discovering this, I've also found out why the installed apps don't show in the Rosie app list. Its a bug with how this rom was built in SDK version 6, when the original Hero rom from HTC was build in 7, it was backported (not sure if I have the correct terminology there), breaking a few things. I'm going to recompile in 7, fix the system date format (which is also causing an error in the Google sync) and hopefully get sync working, then I can start looking at other minor bugs and optimization.
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PS - somebody find out where this rom came from so I can give proper credit to the original developer(s)!!!
Edit: I'm told this is Drizzy's original Hero 2.1 (Thanks Chris!) with broken drivers. I'm going to try to contact Eugene to see what modifications he made and also check through online documentation to figure driver **** out. Props to Drizzy/Eugene - this build may be more or less broken (well, it was your first and you had plenty of updates to it since then) but damn, nice job on such a fast rom, its awesome even for alpha.
im a little scared to try it...so i wont zackattacks 2.1 1.1 hero is fast enough and stable enough for me right now.
Could you give us more information from where did you obtain it?
http://www.4shared.com/u/pmtvpmzq/4c4afc2d/GamerCore.html
www.Twitter.com/GamerCore
www.myspace.com/chris.chavez
thats the uploader
updated first post with first set of test results
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http://www.4shared.com/u/pmtvpmzq/4c4afc2d/GamerCore.html
www.Twitter.com/GamerCore
www.myspace.com/chris.chavez
thats the uploader
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Yeah, I found reviews from this gamercore guy, but he doesn't say where he got it or who made it. He does rom reviews. You can find a bunch of his rom reviews on youtube - I doubt he makes them all, but I could be wrong.
He just review roms.. By the way this was uploaded last year must be 1.5 hero not 2.1 Old news
Wifi doesnt work
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He just review roms.. By the way this was uploaded last year must be 1.5 hero not 2.1 Old news
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You're wrong. It was updated TODAY - and its 2.1 - I'm in it right now - firmware - 2.1
going to flash right now might be Zacks?
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going to flash right now might be Zacks?
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Could be - but I don't think so, this thing is old, uploaded last year, I can't get ZX's 2.1 hero to work and I haven't seen a ZX Team update on their 2.1 Sense threads on here or on androidspin, plus this one has a ton of extra features, like the animated browser progress bar from the original espresso rom.
seems interesting. can anyone confirm if this is 2.1 as OP suggusted or 1.5 as mediaman suggusted?
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just saw, OP just said this is 2.1 and updated today
kboater said:
seems interesting. can anyone confirm if this is 2.1 as OP suggusted or 1.5 as mediaman suggusted?
just saw, OP just said this is 2.1 and updated today
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I'm adb installing screenshot.apk so I can show you guys. gimme a few minutes.
make sure to change ur APN settings, thats wats stopping the gmail and market buggggggggg
is this working confirmed? better than the others?
Sik-1 said:
make sure to change ur APN settings, thats wats stopping the gmail and market buggggggggg
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OK, I'm retarded - never done that before. Instructions?
settings > wireless & networks > mobile networks > Access Point Names > press menu and add one with your settings for your provider
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is this working confirmed? better than the others?
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I'm going to change APN, hope to get gmail and market working, then download new screenshot app, fxcamera and spare parts. will update within the next 30-60 minutes hopefully with a full review and screenshots.
Uploaded: 2009-12-01..............2.1 yes!!!! OLD?!?!? O HELLLL YEAH!!!!
no camera or camecorder or video THIS IS SO OLD!!!! but fast lol wish someone could push working camera and video
Hi XDA Devs,
I know Avaite launcher has been now discontinued but I was one of the beta users of the app back then and this news of Avaite being discontinued now has brought back the memories of the first initial concept of "spaces" which made it very unique. I was trying to figure out a way if it was possible to revert back to the older version. Since the time Avaite was acquired by Yahoo, they ruined it by removing a lot of features that had made it successful.
I found the older apks but by simply installing them , it is not working. The app either refuses to start or the "Nearby" page is empty. I would be grateful if someone could help me out figure out how to use the older versions of the app. I am sure many of the Avaite fans out there would love to have it back too.
THANKS
I tried doing a search and couldn't find a relevant thread, but I have a few questions...
OK first, the issue that brings me here is the only web browser that I like (Boat) has long been dead and out of development, it's long not been on the play store but I've had the APK for a long time and just transfered it to every new phone I got so I could keep using it. I have tried finding a different browser, but I hate them all, none of them have any of the features I want. My last phone was running Android 9.0 and Boat was still working on it. Well, I got a new phone now (Pixel 4a 5g) that has Android 11 and boat still mostly works... except it crashes if I click the bar at the top to type in a URL and a few other bugs... but otherwise still works flawlessly.
1. So, I'm wondering first is it even OK for someone to look to hire a developer to basically update a dead app? Any website and contact information for the original developer no longer exists, but I don't know if it's OK for someone to take over a dead app like that, if it would be considered stealing or something.
2. Second, well if it's OK... I have the last APKs of the browser and I had used a guide to deconstruct the APK into a project thinking maybe I can figure it out and how to update it so that it still works but... yeah that's not happening. So I have the APK files and the already deconstructed into a project and was wondering where I can ask about hiring a developer just to basically update the app so that it still works (bug fixes only, not really making any changes to the look/feel/etc, just fix any bugs or code that's old and deprecated and doesn't work anymore)? And when I say hire, I mean like actually hire, with real money.
sardonicus87 said:
I tried doing a search and couldn't find a relevant thread, but I have a few questions...
OK first, the issue that brings me here is the only web browser that I like (Boat) has long been dead and out of development, it's long not been on the play store but I've had the APK for a long time and just transfered it to every new phone I got so I could keep using it. I have tried finding a different browser, but I hate them all, none of them have any of the features I want. My last phone was running Android 9.0 and Boat was still working on it. Well, I got a new phone now (Pixel 4a 5g) that has Android 11 and boat still mostly works... except it crashes if I click the bar at the top to type in a URL and a few other bugs... but otherwise still works flawlessly.
1. So, I'm wondering first is it even OK for someone to look to hire a developer to basically update a dead app? Any website and contact information for the original developer no longer exists, but I don't know if it's OK for someone to take over a dead app like that, if it would be considered stealing or something.
2. Second, well if it's OK... I have the last APKs of the browser and I had used a guide to deconstruct the APK into a project thinking maybe I can figure it out and how to update it so that it still works but... yeah that's not happening. So I have the APK files and the already deconstructed into a project and was wondering where I can ask about hiring a developer just to basically update the app so that it still works (bug fixes only, not really making any changes to the look/feel/etc, just fix any bugs or code that's old and deprecated and doesn't work anymore)? And when I say hire, I mean like actually hire, with real money.
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First topic is about licence agreement and legal stuff. It is owned by "Boatmob, Inc." / "Digital Life International Limited" / "Crunchbase Inc.". Although the app was for free, it does not seem to be a free licences. But I am not an expert in this area.
About the browser app itself, I have seen that you were already active here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/boat-browser.3821682/
You either need a permission of the owning company and then maintain the app yourself (or via a hired dev), or you have to switch to another and still actively supported browser app.