after installing maximus hd on m htc one s I have only 2gb of available space for my pictures/music etc. what Have I done and how do i fix it to give me more available space?
Thanks
arinb12 said:
after installing maximus hd on m htc one s I have only 2gb of available space for my pictures/music etc. what Have I done and how do i fix it to give me more available space?
Thanks
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Or any other rom I can install without this problem. Im handing the phone over to my mum who doesnt care as long as there is space and it works
Or any other rom I can install without this problem. Im handing the phone over to my mum who doesnt care as long as there is space and it works.
Only interested in battery life and useablility not fussed by sense 5 etc
Did you flash the firmware and the modfied TWRP, that are required to run MaximusHD?
Flippy498 said:
Did you flash the firmware and the modfied TWRP, that are required to run MaximusHD?
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cant recall, this was a while back - the phone went into storage since then.
how can i find out?
arinb12 said:
cant recall, this was a while back - the phone went into storage since then.
how can i find out?
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twrp is installed though.
If you flashed the required firmware your hboot version should be 2.16. Just boot into bootloader to find out which version you're using.
And the correct TWRP version is either the modified version 2.6.1 you can download from the MaxismusHD thread or the modified version you can find in this thread. Look at post #3 to find what you're looking for.
2.15
all i want is my storage back and for it to remain unlocked for all sims,
can i just re install stock rom and keep the simlock unlocked
dont care for options or tweaks.
arinb12 said:
2.15
all i want is my storage back and for it to remain unlocked for all sims,
can i just re install stock rom and keep the simlock unlocked
dont care for options or tweaks.
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If you want to install MaximusHD you will have to follow the install instructions in the OP of the thread and this will upgrade your hboot version to 2.16 and install TWRP 2.6.1.0. Then your phone will show the correct amount of storage. Word of warning, some people have had problems with in call quality on 4.2.2 sense rom's, it seems to affect some phones more than others. If you don't want to do this, you can install Viper which is also 4.2.2 and keep hboot 2.15. Or you can use and RUU to go back to stock, your phone will stay sim unlocked but the latest official version is android 4.1. The RUU files are here, you can also use this unofficial RUU based on 4.2.2.
thanks for everyones help.
installed viper and rectified storage.
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Hello there everyone! I was just beginning to warm up to the idea of rooting when I discovered that it is currently impossible to gain true S-Off due to a patch. Was this patch part of the ICS update? Or was it released during the GB era? I remember having a OTA show up earlier that was not ICS (A few months ago). Am I stuck now?
Software number: 1.50.531.1
Completely stock.
Thank you guys.
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Hello there everyone! I was just beginning to warm up to the idea of rooting when I discovered that it is currently impossible to gain true S-Off due to a patch. Was this patch part of the ICS update? Or was it released during the GB era? I remember having a OTA show up earlier that was not ICS (A few months ago). Am I stuck now?
Software number: 1.50.531.1
Completely stock.
Thank you guys.
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Well for soff you need to be atleast 1.18 HBOOT...and HBOOT update was being done since gb times itself(happened somewhere middle)...so people who got HBOOT greater than 1.18 you are out of luck...
For you to see what HBOOT you got...you need to go to bootloader ..power off your phone..remove battery ...then put it back ...press power+volume down ....it'll open HBOOT screen...there your HBOOT version will be there..
Also the firmware number will/can not precisely give you hboot version...I mean ppl has to remember what firmware got which hboot
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It stated that I had 1.18.0000
So I'm able to root with full S-Off?
SensationNation said:
It stated that I had 1.18.0000
So I'm able to root with full S-Off?
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you just want to root the device?
or want to update your firmware to 3.32 and want to install ICS custom roms?
I will want to root and change to an ICS ROM, such as CM9 or Hypersensation.
1. Unlock your bootloader at www.htcdev.com
2. ???
3. Profit.
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I will want to root and change to an ICS ROM, such as CM9 or Hypersensation.
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first you need to setup your mobile ready for ICS ...to install ICS custom ROMS
follow everything step by step from this guide ...until you got s-off,supercid,and custom recovery installed( recommend 4EXT rather than CWM for sutom recovery)
then for ICS ...you require latest firmware
follow this guide...until flashing firmware..
once the above steps are done you can't boot into your GB rom...so by this time..get your ROM downloaded and inside your sdcard
then you can flash the ICS ROM form recovery...(you can use above guide as reference for flashing ROMS too)
Man, thank you so much for the help! Are there any incompatibilities between GB and ICS? (Like if I were to back up my files with Titanium, will they restore onto an ICS ROM?)
Thanks!
SensationNation said:
Man, thank you so much for the help! Are there any incompatibilities between GB and ICS? (Like if I were to back up my files with Titanium, will they restore onto an ICS ROM?)
Thanks!
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restoring data of apps (GB rom) from titanium backup...might have some glitches (because app are also modified for ICS compatibility)..try at your own risk...but people recommend to not to do this especially when moving from GB to ICS
but dont ever restore system data when moving from GB to ICS ...also when changing roms...it will completely mess up your rom
So I have to start from scratch? And what is the point of titanium backup if I can't actually restore anything?
Thanks.
SensationNation said:
So I have to start from scratch? And what is the point of titanium backup if I can't actually restore anything?
Thanks.
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look i haven't explored TB that much (i own the premium app too)
afaik we only require a backup of sms's ,contacts (if sync is there no need for this too),call logs,and apps + its data
for sms + contacts + call logs -> i use super backup
and apps will be taken care of once you sync up with google
and apps data and missing apps i use TB.
So what would be system data?
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So what would be system data?
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No don't backup system data when version changes... I.e from gb to ics...
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first_agent said:
1. Unlock your bootloader at www.htcdev.com
2. ???
3. Profit.
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No. Don't teach people the wrong information. HTCDev does NOT unlock your phone completely. I'm not sure why people even LIKE HTCDev. Maybe they think it is the "Official" way or something...
I mean, what kind of data is system data? Screen brightness?
Hi please could i ask for some help regarding what roms can be flashed after s-offing via the Revolutionary method.
I have searched to the point of falling asleep and waking with key imprints on my face! After my searching im still slightly unclear about what i can and cant do without further modding
Im pretty sure that i can flash any custom rom i want but nothing should ever be assumed when flashing phones, thats how paperweights are made!
I had to downdrade the H-boot And did so using zergrush and old stock rom - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399331
my device was branded so i used a branded rom in the downgrade as stated and so still have branding.
im pretty sure that now im s-off unlcoked that removing branding before flashing custom is not a issue but again, never assume!
bootloader screen infor is now as follows-
-Revolutionary-
SAGA PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-6.98.1002
RADIO-38.03.02.15_M
eMMC-boot
Mar 10 2011,14:58:38
Revolutionary Clockwork Mod v4.0.1.4 is flashed to recovery,
I dont think at this stage the device is rooted, thats done with the Superuser-3.0.7-efgh-signed file i have i beleive but have to read more on how its installed, can root be also gained directly though custom roms?
Also, on ben_pyett's index page- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1146601 he suggests that a different h-boot is installed after doing the revolutionary mod to avoid probelms later on-
ben_pyett;15187889
[B said:
It is recommended that after unlocking your device with Revolutionary you install an ENG bootloader, so that you can easily upgrade and downgrade your bootloader if required in the future - not doing so can lead to difficulties.[/B]
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is this importaint and can anyone explain why this should be done please?
with what i have told you please can someone let me know anything further i nedd to do before flashing a custom rom or can i go right ahead and flash?
the last question i have is theres a tonne of ICS roms out there but also a few jelly bean ones too, ICS seems to be more popular by far, is there a reason for this and should i avoid the newer Jellybean roms?
Thanks, thanks and thanks again in advance for your help,
Steve.
I would recommend you install the hboot from this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1679338
It has a new partition layout that is compatible with every rom out there. I use that version. There have also been reports of the revolutionary hboot having problems formatting partitions sometimes.
Almost all custom roms are rooted, so if you're planning to install one, you don't need to flash superuser first.
I would also update your recovery, to either the latest 4ext touch, or twrp. They support every rom out there including the kit-kat ones.
There are more ics roms there because of the age of the device and because HTC never released anything past ics for it. But if you look which threads are still active, you'll see that there's really only development still going on for the kit-kat roms (flinny's Andromadus and devil-kins builds). I'm using those and would recommend trying them (as long as you have a Sony panel, if not you'll have problems on any thing past ics).
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teadrinker said:
I would recommend you install the hboot from this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1679338
It has a new partition layout that is compatible with every rom out there. I use that version. There have also been reports of the revolutionary hboot having problems formatting partitions sometimes.
Almost all custom roms are rooted, so if you're planning to install one, you don't need to flash superuser first.
I would also update your recovery, to either the latest 4ext touch, or twrp. They support every rom out there including the kit-kat ones.
There are more ics roms there because of the age of the device and because HTC never released anything past ics for it. But if you look which threads are still active, you'll see that there's really only development still going on for the kit-kat roms (flinny's Andromadus and devil-kins builds). I'm using those and would recommend trying them (as long as you have a Sony panel, if not you'll have problems on any thing past ics).
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thanks for your help, i will take your advice on the h-boot and recovery, ive flshed tonnes of win mob handsets and a couple of win phone 7's even with downgrading and rooting on the win phone handsets it was so much less complex and confuising than andriod!
what do you mean by sony panel? do you mean the display? is it some kind of driver issue or am i on the wrong path here?
thanks steve.
About the display panel type, check this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1943524
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teadrinker said:
About the display panel type, check this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1943524
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Thanks for the info, i have checked and its Sony!
I changed the Hboot to the version you suggested and i have changed the recovery to twrp, i was going to install 4ext but its £2 and annoyingly google play store does not accept paypal and i dont have a credit or debit card, only my wife and she does not want it linked to my play account grrr.
Anyway, now i have to choose a JB rom to install, flinny's Andromadus rom seems to be very much still in the alpha stage and i want a rom that is as stable as possible, i will have a look at the devil kins rom in a sec.
Anyway, thanks again for your help, i will hit the thanks button.
Steve.
steve_htc_wizard said:
Thanks for the info, i have checked and its Sony!
I changed the Hboot to the version you suggested and i have changed the recovery to twrp, i was going to install 4ext but its £2 and annoyingly google play store does not accept paypal and i dont have a credit or debit card, only my wife and she does not want it linked to my play account grrr.
Anyway, now i have to choose a JB rom to install, flinny's Andromadus rom seems to be very much still in the alpha stage and i want a rom that is as stable as possible, i will have a look at the devil kins rom in a sec.
Anyway, thanks again for your help, i will hit the thanks button.
Steve.
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4ext recovery is free... Only the control app u have to pay for, has more option. Anyway Download the free updater app and use that to flash recovery. Link below.
http://4ext.net/
Or click link below, follow instructions. Or extract the zip file and flash recovery.img via fastboot commands
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2275946
jmcclue said:
4ext recovery is free... Only the control app u have to pay for, has more option. Anyway Download the free updater app and use that to flash recovery. Link below.
http://4ext.net/
Or click link below, follow instructions. Or extract the zip file and flash recovery.img via fastboot commands
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2275946
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TWRP was miles better than the outdated revolutionary recovery but wow, the 4ext recovery you directed me too is tonnes better again, thanks!
One problem im having though and had it with the TWRP recovery too-
I managed to flash a ics rom to the phone, i did this as i found one i that looked very stable from the user comments in the topic and it granted me the root i needed to install the new recovery and various other bits via the o.s but now although the rom is showing now bugs i want to jump to JB as that was always my goal if it could be done.
but both the roms i have downloaded to try come up with a signing error in both TWRP and 4EXT recoverys, i don't know enough to brave turning off the signing check (guessing this may be the solution) and so can't install these roms at the moment. I really like the look of the carbon JB rom but almost every post talks about lag so im giving that one a miss.
please can you explain what is preventing me from installing these roms?
The ICS rom i installed flashed with no problems at all using the revolutionary recovery but i don't know if there was a setting that was not active or even a lack of it altogether in that particular recovery.
The other question is which flinny's Andromadus JB rom version is recomended? There's so many versions but all "test" roms and no official versions, do you know of a particular one that has the most functionality and stability?
Thanks again for pointing me to the 4ext link, its miles better.
Steve.
EDIT: I have just re-flashed the phone with the same "RTS" ICS rom using the new 4EXT recovery as having done a full wipe in preperation for the new rom i lost a lot of things that were backed up using the previous recovery and did not get the signing error so now im sure its a rom thing rather than a recovery setting
Hi folks
REALLY hoping somoene can help.
I have an HTC ons S (S4) which ive is rooted, Bootloader off, s-off, superCID 11111111.
I used TWRP to wipe data/cache/dalvik and installed Maximus HD rom.
Everything seemed fine until I checked storage on phone and I only had 2gb (should be 16gb...minus OS ofc)
So went back to TWRP, wiped, reinstalled and it asked me if i wanted to wipe (i think it was storage) and since there was nothing I really
needed on the phone i chose yes this time hoping it would fix storage size encounted first time (and opting not to wipe)
It did actually fix storage...its now back to full, I can see phone storage on PC, add / remove files from it...BUT!! now when i go
into TWRP it says:
Storage: Internal Storage (0 MB)
and I cannot see my files....I just see an empty TWRP folder and if jump up a folder I get
and-sec
boot
cache
data
dev
devlog
etc
internal_sd
license
proc
recovery
res
root
sbin
supersu
sys
system
tmp
usb-otg
but ALL these folders appear to be empty (
Ive checked ive got latest version of TWRP, tried an older version, tried clockwork recovery instead, but none of the recoverys will show
my storage (yet its fine on PC)
If anyone maybe knows how to fix the storage issue, id be extremely grateful for any help )
(hopefully without having to go back to stock...I had major nutache getting s-off, supercid etc done lol)
Thanks,
CUS.
I had a problem like this. I had to re-install the stock recovery, then run it and it fixed my problem. Others say you need to reset factory from the stock recovery.
In any case check this out - it's probably the same issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1630459
Thanks for the reply 808phone
I tried what you advised...Now in TWRP it is showing internal storage 48mb!.....better than zero but still not right.
Would you happen to have any other ideas?
Thanks,
CUS.
CUSXDA said:
Thanks for the reply 808phone
I tried what you advised...Now in TWRP it is showing internal storage 48mb!.....better than zero but still not right.
Would you happen to have any other ideas?
Thanks,
CUS.
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That's because you used the wrong recovery for 2.16 hboot. You shouldn't use a 2.15 recovery with 2.16 hboot
All the official TWRP builds are for 2.15 hboot and Maximus is a ROM for 2.16.
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Oooh thanks for the reply Rapier!
I really like the maximus rom and would like to stick to it for the time being... if I were to re-install with a different custom recovery like clockwork
(could you suggest one please? ) , do you think this may fix the issue or have a screwed things up using TWRP to install maximus?
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Oooh thanks for the reply Rapier!
I really like the maximus rom and would like to stick to it for the time being... if I were to re-install with a different custom recovery like clockwork
(could you suggest one please? ) , do you think this may fix the issue or have a screwed things up using TWRP to install maximus?
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Best way to do it is by using the recovery linked in MaximusHD thread (in OP). Most 2.16 ROMs have a link to the proper recovery in their OP
Edit: I've checked MaximusHD thread, if you follow the installation instructions closely you'll notice that is a "install_package.rar" mentioned. The one that contains the 2.16 firmware AND the recovery. Use that one. Alternatively you can use a 2.16 recovery from other ROMs built for 2.16 like the unofficial CM11 or the Liberty or SixthSense ROMs by bilal_liberty. Any of those should be good to go with MaximusHD as well
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Thanks for the reply Rapier
...Thats actually the recovery that I used...the package contains TWRP but it was an older version so I did replace it with the latest version.
I think the problem is this (I know, I messed up )
I followed install instructions on maximus page as instructed...during install it asked if i wanted to wipe storage
(it might of said SD card, i cant remember) so I chose NO.
On completion when I plugged phone into PC to transfer files onto it, it only had 2GB storage
So I did a complete install again following install procedure from beginning on Maximus page, but this time when it asked if I wanted to wipe storage I chose YES (I didnt have anything i needed on it)
Now when I plug into PC I see the full 16gb and can add/delete files, but if I boot into recovery (either using TWRP or clockwork) I only see 48mb
so I cant backup, install other roms or anything
Would you have any more suggestions buddy?
....OMG, fixed it!. :laugh:
The ONE thing that screwed the install was ME trying to be good and keep everything updated to the lastest version!
Turns out the TWRP in the install package is actually a MODIFIED version especially for Maximus HD!
and using the latest (or a different) version gives you either the 0mb or 48mb issue!.
Thank you so much for the help that put me on the right track....after reading post after post, i finally spotted one that mentioned
it is a "modified" recovery!.
CUSXDA said:
....OMG, fixed it!. :laugh:
The ONE thing that screwed the install was ME trying to be good and keep everything updated to the lastest version!
Turns out the TWRP in the install package is actually a MODIFIED version especially for Maximus HD!
and using the latest (or a different) version gives you either the 0mb or 48mb issue!.
Thank you so much for the help that put me on the right track....after reading post after post, i finally spotted one that mentioned
it is a "modified" recovery!.
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Yes, this is exactly what I've told you in my first post...you're using the wrong recovery for 2.16 hboot. You can still have the latest, there's a thread called "Unofficial TWRP..." and there you can find TWRP 2.7.1.0a-dm that is used by many for 2.16 hboot. I used it myself with SixthSense Liberty ROM and it's working
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Yes I see now, I did mis-read your post, I do apologize...
"That's because you used the wrong recovery for 2.16 hboot. You shouldn't use a 2.15 recovery with 2.16 hboot
All the official TWRP builds are for 2.15 hboot and Maximus is a ROM for 2.16. "
I unfortunately read that as TWRP will not work, I need a recovery that is for 2.16 (my bad)
"Maybe" would of been a little clearer to mention "Install package has a modified TWRP, use that "
It doesn't take much to confuse me I'm afraid.....I'm a total newbie to all this so have a hell of a lot to learn hehe
and having been trying to sort this for 2 days & nights, my brain was TOTALLY fried!
...Updated to twrp-2.7.1.0a-ville-dm as suggested...all working great!
Many thanks for all your help Rapier!....I honestly do REALLY appreciate it :good:
Hey guys its been a really long time sense ive updated my phone im running the google play 4.4.4 rom right now and I want the latest normal stock htc rom rooted of course would someone mind telling me what i need in terms of radios and roms to flash
Bierce22 said:
Hey guys its been a really long time sense ive updated my phone im running the google play 4.4.4 rom right now and I want the latest normal stock htc rom rooted of course would someone mind telling me what i need in terms of radios and roms to flash
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Check out Dotta's thread in general. Youre looking for the ruu. Im assuming your s-off, so look for the latest (5.0.1) this comes with computer run program or load from sd card via hotboot. This comes pre rooted, so after that youll have to set up your recovery again, and after that youre good to flash any rom youd like. Digital high's GPE rom has an update to 5.1 support, so look there.
Link to ruu - http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...zip-ruu-m8vzw-5-0-1-s-off-onlynewest-t3047103
okay i followed the instructions flashed the ruu from hboot and rebooted back to my normal google play rom so can i just download a normal 5.1 rom now?
also is there a decent stock 5.1 sense rom thats debloated I kind of want to go back to that or cyanogen
Bierce22 said:
also is there a decent stock 5.1 sense rom thats debloated I kind of want to go back to that or cyanogen
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100% stock ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...-4-17-605-9-stock-resources-firmware-t3196906
also mine based off this base pretty much stock with some tweaks
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...rom-fluent-rom-v1-0-rls1-4-16-1540-8-t3007173
(if you want to debloat more than what the ROM has, just download something like root explorer and remove what you don't want. Takes all of 5 minutes at most and a reboot)
andybones said:
100% stock ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...-4-17-605-9-stock-resources-firmware-t3196906
also mine based off this base pretty much stock with some tweaks
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...rom-fluent-rom-v1-0-rls1-4-16-1540-8-t3007173
(if you want to debloat more than what the ROM has, just download something like root explorer and remove what you don't want. Takes all of 5 minutes at most and a reboot)
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I think im just going to stick with digitalhighs gpe roms ive been running the 4.4.4 version for months now and use the aroma installer to install sense
Bierce22 said:
I think im just going to stick with digitalhighs gpe roms ive been running the 4.4.4 version for months now and use the aroma installer to install sense
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Your phone my friend, run what makes you happy.
Was just answering the question you asked. :good:
andybones said:
Your phone my friend, run what makes you happy.
Was just answering the question you asked. :good:
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hey i flashed that ruu but my wifi isnt working in the gpe rom did i miss something?
Bierce22 said:
hey i flashed that ruu but my wifi isnt working in the gpe rom did i miss something?
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May get better luck asking in said ROM thread.
Should be working from what I've read.
andybones said:
May get better luck asking in said ROM thread.
Should be working from what I've read.
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well my phone is in a bootloop now and i cant get into hboot because it sees the ruu and wants to flash it and i cant get my sd card out
Bierce22 said:
well my phone is in a bootloop now and i cant get into hboot because it sees the ruu and wants to flash it and i cant get my sd card out
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You need to remove sd card, or boot to a ROM and change the name of file on sdcard....
Delete
If youre using twrp flashify doesnt have the latest update the latest is 2.8.7.0, youll have to install 2.8.5.0 and then and flash the upgraded img. In recovery. I had raido problems going to 5.1 update and the way i fixed it was by updating twrp before flashing rom. Let your phone read hboot, hit power down, eject sd card and then reboot. You can flash ruu again to start clean and fix bootloop, if that doesnt work the exe version does work. Advise is to remove sd card powered down, so when in hboot you can select and load into fastboot.
Best of luck,
Hi
I managed to update to HBOOT 2.16 (by reading all the guides to get supercid and s-off) in order to install newest roms but I suspect something must have gone wrong since the internal storage is now only 2.34GB. Right now it is running latest slim rom.
What can I do in order to have all the storage back?
Thanks
@gohanSS Reboot to bootloader and choose "CLEAR STORAGE", however mind that all of your data will be lost. Also, did you upgrade only hboot, or the whole firmware? You should always update using the whole FW package, just in case, you can find it here.
I think I managed to update it, I see the radio now is 1.20 (before it was 1.15) and 12GB of storage!
Thanks a lot man :good:
gohanSS said:
I think I managed to update it, I see the radio now is 1.20 (before it was 1.15) and 12GB of storage!
Thanks a lot man :good:
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Yes, that's exactly how it's supposed to be, glad that it helped!
While we are at it, I am using twrp 2.7.1.2 that I found for Hboot 2.16: is there a newer working one or should I stick with that version? Because I tried the 3.x version but I wasn't able to sideload ROM until I flashed the current one.
From my experience, it is better to use the TWRP version suggested by the ROM creator. For CM, it's 3.x, but for instance for ME ROM (I can recommend that one for daily use) it's 2.7.x. Newer isn't always equal to better...