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http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-6452_7-57587774/screens-test-htc-one-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4/
They compare the LCD technology and the AMOLED technology from the HTC One and the Samsung Galaxy S4 respectively. They determined that color accuracy, image detail, contrast and blacks to be superior in the Galaxy flagship, while giving brightness and outdoor legibility in direct light to its competitor. The iPhone 5 is considered best in class for handheld mobile LCD technology when it comes to color reproduction, due to better screen calibration on a smaller panel.
This comparison finding is further supported by the reputable business "DisplayMate" conducting comparison tests on the iPhone 5 and Galaxy S4 only to determine that they're on par.
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http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-6452_7-57587774/screens-test-htc-one-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4/
They compare the LCD technology and the AMOLED technology from the HTC One and the Samsung Galaxy S4 respectively. They determined that color accuracy, image detail, contrast and blacks to be superior in the Galaxy flagship, while giving brightness and outdoor legibility in direct light to its competitor. The iPhone 5 is considered best in class for handheld mobile LCD technology when it comes to color reproduction, due to better screen calibration on a smaller panel.
This comparison finding is further supported by the reputable business "DisplayMate" conducting comparison tests on the iPhone 5 and Galaxy S4 only to determine that they're on par.
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"When you deselect the Adapt Display check box you can select from Dynamic, Standard, Professional Photo, or Movie. We measured them all, and Movie delivered the most accurate color. Its saturation error in particular is much lower than that of the other modes. Movie mode's advantage over the others isn't as strong as it was on the Note 2, however."
Movie is the best mode? Movie mode looks washed out, poor and boring close to Dynamic or Adapt Display.
I don't give a damn about synthetic color accuracy. That only makes sense if you are a professional that works with imaging and you NEED color accuracy. I don't care about that, since I don't work with that. I'm just a regular user that wants to enjoy my cell phone and I want rich, vivid images with images exploding with exaggerated color, because that's what makes me feel like having a great screen, and that´s what people tell me when they see my screen and say "wow, look at those colors".
I always thought that Galaxy S screens look much better then iPhone screens, and one of the reasons for that is the natural color boosting AMOLED screens do. Sure, they are not "accurate", but they look great. Accurate = boring. Vivid colors = awesome.
Yea. I switched to Movie Mode on my N2 and it looked horrible and faded.
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I much prefer saturated/richer colors, but I did wonder about color accuracy since reading other blogs/reviews/posts people have said the S4 is much less accurate than the HTC One/iPhone with regards to accuracy. I guess this sort of counterpoints those claims.
I am glad that we can chose what we want so... that's really good.
There is mode for everyone and it's great to be able to chose and have more options.
The point is. We all know OLED is not as color accurate as LCD. OLED boosts rich vivid colors that, although unaccurate, look awesome. Not to mention the perfect dark pitch and virtually infinite contrast ratio (unlike color accuracy, elevated contrast ratio is equally impressive both in theory and in practice).
Buying a OLED phone and trying to make it look like an LCD phone makes no sense to me. If I want a LCD-looking screen with LCD color accuracy, I´ll just buy an LCD phone.
^ Are you buying a phone based on the screen?
Point is that Amoled can be great on it's own but also can be good where LCDs are better and improve from generation to generation.
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I much prefer saturated/richer colors, but I did wonder about color accuracy since reading other blogs/reviews/posts people have said the S4 is much less accurate than the HTC One/iPhone with regards to accuracy. I guess this sort of counterpoints those claims.
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Blogs, pundits of tech sites and such aren't usually knowledgeable when it comes to all factors of determining a good display. I find that they more often than not base their knowledge off of general propaganda. Or they don't have the right type of technology to conduct an invasive and accurate test for gauging the quality of a display in comparison to another.
All the information supplemented in the OP comes from sources that work in the business as screen calibrate technicians; DisplayMate (http://displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm) is among the most reputable you'll ever find when it comes to screen assessment, as they do calibration for a living and have the technology to properly asses. I'd rather take their word than some editorial pundit from PocketNow or Gizmodo.
I think they all have their pro's and con's, I suggest you choose what looks good with your eye's and not base on test results or peoples opinions.
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The point is. We all know OLED is not as color accurate as LCD.
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OLEDs are perfectly capable to display absolute accurate colours and go beyond any other display technology in terms of output.
The problem is Samsung's presets accuracy and lack of education.
Sadly because the US variant of the S2 and S3 lacked the hardware for the display modes, that AMOLED got this asinine reputation.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/UL-certifies-the-4.99-FHD-display-on-the-Samsung-Galaxy-S4_id43874
According to UL, the screen on the Samsung Galaxy S4 offers one of the best color reproductions in the mobile industry with the broadest color gamut of up to 97% for the Adobe RGB color space. The screen is said to have one of the best contrast ratios and can be better seen under bright sunlight than the display on many of the phone's rivals.
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/UL-certifies-the-4.99-FHD-display-on-the-Samsung-Galaxy-S4_id43874
According to UL, the screen on the Samsung Galaxy S4 offers one of the best color reproductions in the mobile industry with the broadest color gamut of up to 97% for the Adobe RGB color space. The screen is said to have one of the best contrast ratios and can be better seen under bright sunlight than the display on many of the phone's rivals.
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I was thinking about linking that, too. AMOLED truly does seem like it's going to be the future for top-end displays. They really just have to improve energy efficiency with the panel, so it can push higher degrees of brightness, that should dethrone any practical advantageous aspect to an LCD. The panel from S III to S4 was a major leap forward in enhancement. Makes me eagerly curious to see what the Note III and moreover, the S5 will shape this technology into next.
I use Movie mode and find it the best for me beacause im not a big fan of saturated colors.
They just need to sort motion blur and burn in before they can get back to the top.
That article is all well and good, but doesn't take into account that side by side with a HTC One, the S4 screen is underwhelming in real world.
I have gone with Samsung since S2 as I loved that device to bits, but the screen on the S4 blew me away for all the wrong reasons, hence why I bought the HTC One.
Had to chime in as I love samsung phones, but feel they dropped the ball with this one. The S4 screen for me is not even as nice as the S3. I don't know why, maybe by trying to mimic LCD, they lost what was good about AMOLED in the first place. The "pop".
Since I was an original proponent of the S4 Active's camera, I wanted to publicly admit that I was wrong. The camera on the S4 Active is, indeed, a deal breaker (at least for me).
It's not that it dropped from 13mp to 8mp...that, in and of itself, has no bearing on the performance, but the images produced by this camera are muddy and not pleasing at all. It is miles behind the original S4 or HTC One in the image department.
I went back to the original S4 which is fine, but I really miss the screen of the Active. It's just a choice each individual will have to decide for themselves, but I just can't understand why Samsung downgraded the camera so dramatically on the Active. It's a shame because, to me, everything else about the Active is awesome, most notably, the screen.
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Since I was an original proponent of the S4 Active's camera, I wanted to publicly admit that I was wrong. The camera on the S4 Active is, indeed, a deal breaker (at least for me).
It's not that it dropped from 13mp to 8mp...that, in and of itself, has no bearing on the performance, but the images produced by this camera are muddy and not pleasing at all. It is miles behind the original S4 or HTC One in the image department.
I went back to the original S4 which is fine, but I really miss the screen of the Active. It's just a choice each individual will have to decide for themselves, but I just can't understand why Samsung downgraded the camera so dramatically on the Active. It's a shame because, to me, everything else about the Active is awesome, most notably, the screen.
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Sad to see you go but IMO Screen > Camera
I think the camera will be fixed with an update or mods, screen you are stuck with forever. I know the camera on this thing can be better, just wait for them to get the bugs worked out. Enjoy the S4, it DOES have a great camera
My disclaimer is I rarely take photos with my phone. My wife does a good job snapping great photos I just use it to capture something funny or cool when I am not around family.
I liked the screen too but a lot of original gs4 features were calling me (including customization of the physical phone with cases and replacement parts and internal software)
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Camera seems great for me, a bit better than my Note 2. IMO a waterproof phone, better looking, better display, and more rugged is better than a slightly better camera on the regular S4.
I noticed a green tent sometimes. It must be a software issue.
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Camera seems great for me, a bit better than my Note 2. IMO a waterproof phone, better looking, better display, and more rugged is better than a slightly better camera on the regular S4.
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That is certainly a fair comment. For me though, the camera was just too weak...but holy crap the Active screen is exponentially better than the SAMOLED S4 screen...not even close.
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I liked the screen too but a lot of original gs4 features were calling me (including customization of the physical phone with cases and replacement parts and internal software)
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Cases will not show up if people don't let the companies know that they are wanted
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Since I was an original proponent of the S4 Active's camera, I wanted to publicly admit that I was wrong. The camera on the S4 Active is, indeed, a deal breaker (at least for me).
It's not that it dropped from 13mp to 8mp...that, in and of itself, has no bearing on the performance, but the images produced by this camera are muddy and not pleasing at all. It is miles behind the original S4 or HTC One in the image department.
I went back to the original S4 which is fine, but I really miss the screen of the Active. It's just a choice each individual will have to decide for themselves, but I just can't understand why Samsung downgraded the camera so dramatically on the Active. It's a shame because, to me, everything else about the Active is awesome, most notably, the screen.
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Just wait to get the OBEX or Lifeproof case for your S4...as I will do...when I had both (The the S4A for a week before returning) I thought the screens were comparable with an edge to the S4.
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Just wait to get the OBEX or Lifeproof case for your S4...as I will do...when I had both (The the S4A for a week before returning) I thought the screens were comparable with an edge to the S4.
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Depends on the person
Some people like their screens over saturated with deep blacks, some people like their screens natural with normal whites.
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Depends on the person
Some people like their screens over saturated with deep blacks, some people like their screens natural with normal whites.
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So true. I personally was sold on the S4A screen over the S4 screen when I was compairing them side by side, and it was ultimatly the reason I went with the S4A over the S4.
Kyuta Syuko said:
So true. I personally was sold on the S4A screen over the S4 screen when I was compairing them side by side, and it was ultimatly the reason I went with the S4A over the S4.
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the s4 active has a more 'natural' screen but its tft and the color reproduction is horrible. At least in movie mode the regular S4 can seem much more accurate and not bland
To each their own. I purchased the Active because I get wet and my Note 2 was on borrowed time. The better camera and screen on the active are a bonus.
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I feel like most of the people prefer the actives screen. I compared both side by side and I actually prefer the bolder colors. Its all personal opinion
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Yeah I love the active screen but hate the angles and just hate tft. The active is better from the start but the amoled on the normal s4 has more potential. A wide color gamut. Movie mode Is almost perfect. And this is coming from professional display reviewers. And if we get perseus kernel onto the 9505 variant it'll be even better.
But to be honest I have it on auto screen mode for some reason I love the colors too
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Yeah I love the active screen but hate the angles and just hate tft. The active is better from the start but the amoled on the normal s4 has more potential. A wide color gamut. Movie mode Is almost perfect. And this is coming from professional display reviewers. And if we get perseus kernel onto the 9505 variant it'll be even better.
But to be honest I have it on auto screen mode for some reason I love the colors too
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I agree the SAMOLED screen has more potential and if the S4 ever got a mod like Voodoo Color the user could probably get the screen looking just as good or maybe even better than the S4A screen.
TwoStroker37 said:
To each their own. I purchased the Active because I get wet and my Note 2 was on borrowed time. The better camera and screen on the active are a bonus.
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In no way does the Active have a better camera than the original S4. I would venture to say that the camera on the Active is among the worst on a high end smartphone. It is plumb terrible.
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In no way does the Active have a better camera than the original S4. I would venture to say that the camera on the Active is among the worst on a high end smartphone. It is plumb terrible.
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Mine has taken great photos and mine has taken horrible photos.
The truth is they do need to update the camera to fix the bugs... after that I think it will be great... Of course not as good as the S4 but close
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Since I was an original proponent of the S4 Active's camera, I wanted to publicly admit that I was wrong. The camera on the S4 Active is, indeed, a deal breaker (at least for me).
It's not that it dropped from 13mp to 8mp...that, in and of itself, has no bearing on the performance, but the images produced by this camera are muddy and not pleasing at all. It is miles behind the original S4 or HTC One in the image department.
I went back to the original S4 which is fine, but I really miss the screen of the Active. It's just a choice each individual will have to decide for themselves, but I just can't understand why Samsung downgraded the camera so dramatically on the Active. It's a shame because, to me, everything else about the Active is awesome, most notably, the screen.
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I used the S4 Active in store and the display seems to be a lot more accurate than the S4 (since it uses the TFT display). How was it's outdoor visibility?
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I used the S4 Active in store and the display seems to be a lot more accurate than the S4 (since it uses the TFT display). How was it's outdoor visibility?
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The display isn't more accurate its just not exaggerated colors. But you can fix that in the regular s4
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Yeah I love the active screen but hate the angles and just hate tft. The active is better from the start but the amoled on the normal s4 has more potential. A wide color gamut. Movie mode Is almost perfect. And this is coming from professional display reviewers. And if we get perseus kernel onto the 9505 variant it'll be even better.
But to be honest I have it on auto screen mode for some reason I love the colors too
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its about 97% accurate to sRGB (which is industry standard) in Movie mode, versus 91% on iPhone 5, 83% on S4 Active, and 85% on HTC One. The AMOLED screen actually has a wider gamut than sRGB but it is not calibrated correctly. At its most vivid, it is capable of about 102% sRGB gamut, though it does suffer from some slight gamma issues as well due to AMOLED being totally off when displaying 'true' blacks.
I tested them all with a friend and his colorimetry gear with some standard calibration images, with Pantone, sRGB, and Rec709 standard materials as well as gray plates and focusing scales (attached). Feel free to compare to your HDTV/monitor of choice.
However, a 3% variation is negligible at best; most males (60-something percent) are partially colorblind anyways and really cant see the difference until its about 18% off. Women its closer to 1% have color issues, and with females comprising the majority of the population and about 1/3 of the S4 buyers, that means that roughly 75% of you could not tell the difference between a perfectly calibrates S4 and one that is 3%, 5%, or even 10% off.
That said, i have some 10 bit Marshall, JVC, and Sony calibrated field monitors that are closer to 78% sRGB, and i used them every day for work (we use scopes to verify anyways; cant trust your eyes), and even a VERY VERY nice, VERY expensive calibrated 10 bit IPS LED LCD field monitor that costs as much as some new cars that is only 94% accurate.
I rely on my eyes at work every day; i have incredibly sharp and perceptive vision, and i can comfortably say that 'Movie' mode is BETTER than most other screens you would watch movies/tv on, yes including your $1,000 HDTV or $300 PC monitor. I can easily see the pixels on the smaller, 720P GS3 screen, and make them out decently on the S4 as well, even 18" away from my face. The HTC one as well, but its closer to 14" away maximum. That is incredible for me.
TFT has bad viewing angles, very bad backlight passthrough transmission, and is based on old tech. IPS LED would have been a MUCH better choice, but Samsung doesnt do much in that field; TFT they have the tech and fab for. It was a poor choice IMO.
The HTC One screen or iPhone 5 screen is way better than that of the Active for viewing angles, and also much more saturated (One is oversaturated, iPhone 5 only slightly). But for contrast and viewing angles alone, Samsung SHOULD have gone IPS.
KEEP IN MIND...
Brightness, viewing angles, saturation, gamut, and contrast are quantifiable. These are what i base my statements on; what ive measured and what ive seen.
PERCEIVED color is not; thats your brain, mostly. Your eyes only collect raw data. I could show you correctly calibrated images under different lighting and you would swear the peoples faces were purple, green, etc, when in fact they are absolutely correct, and its your brain compensating.
As far as the S4A camera, i had read Samsung had a problem with supply on the 13MP units, and opted for the same part as the S III camera as it was available, and part numbers stack up (pinouts do not). The software camera app on the S4A may not be up to snuff in that case; the S III takes great shots for a camera phone; and if you look at S III, S4A, and S4 shots side by side with the same settings of the same objects under same lighting and other conditions, the S4A and S III are pretty damn close to identical if you check out scopes or histograms; the S4 with the 13MP camera has a slight edge.
I cant see the Perseus kernel doing much better; most of the issue with the S4 screen is gamma shift based off the PenTile display architecture; yes the S4 screen is RGBG, which is an RGB variant, but in practice calibrating it is WILDLY different from an RGB screen. If anyone gets a chance, take a look at the exact same picture (both the one i attached and also one of people) on a Motorola Atrix 4G with the RGBW (red green blue white) pixel layout; the Atrix has THE WORST COLORS I HAVE EVER SEEN, period. BUT, you could see that thing perfectly in the glare of the sun at any angle.
Since lots of users like to compare phones that didn't even hit the shops yet, or are not even officially launched , why not compare other related stuff? :
I find this recent Erica Griffin's video which is called "the truth about Amoled vs LCD" quite interesting:
I stick with Amoled anytime, even with the possibility of that "blue pixel burn-in"
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And here some interesting related info provided (once again) by Barry:
BarryH_GEG said:
Good news for the reviewer! She can buy AMOLED again if she wants to. Starting with the SGS4 Samsung's moved to a new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels. In it, sub-pixels are sized differently based on their longevity. Blue is the least energy efficient (most likely to erode) and is now larger than red and green.
A high resolution screen shot of the Galaxy S4*(provided by Samsung) shows an interesting design and sub-pixel arrangement, which Samsung callsDiamond Pixels. First of all, the Red, Green, and Blue sub-pixels have very different sizes – Blue is by far the largest because it has the lowest efficiency, and Green is by far the smallest because it has the highest efficiency. The alternating Red and Blue sub-pixel PenTile arrangement discussed above leads to a 45 degree diagonal symmetry in the sub-pixel layout. Then, in order to maximize the sub-pixel packing and achieve the highest possible PPI, that leads to diamond rather than square or stripe shaped Red and Blue sub-pixels. But not for the Green sub-pixels, which are oval shaped because they are squeezed between two much larger and different sized Red and Blue sub-pixels. It’s display art…
As for what display is best, that's easy. The one you like the best.
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betoNL said:
Since lots of users like to compare phones that didn't even hit the shops yet, or are not even officially launched , why not compare other related stuff? :
I find this recent Erica Griffin's video which is called "the truth about Amoled vs LCD" quite interesting:
I stick with Amoled anytime, even with the possibility of that "blue pixel burn-in"
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I only buy Samsung because of the AMOLED screens.
it's true there will eventually be some bluish pixel burn-in after you have used the phone for a good 3 or more years
and it doesn't seem to affect all AMOLED screens, but specific to the 5 color ones, the S-AMOLED seems unaffected by it.
I'm basing that from my old AMOLED i9000 and Nexus S vs. the S-AMOLED on the S2
As for color accuracy, I like the more vivid color provided by the AMOLED than the LCD / S-LCD
Interesting stuff. My next phone gonna be LCD.
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Interesting stuff. My next phone gonna be LCD.
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even after learning what they do to the LCD displays?
you will probably have to run your own tests to see which phone has a correct LCD display, or waiting until some one has done a Gamut color level review on it before getting one.
at least with AMOLED you know what to expect.
I will not go into fight any about this, but after using both AMOLED and LCD, I simply don't find LCD 'interesting'.
But if we really want to go deep into technical analysis, you will find that a AMOLED display is considered to be the best display commercially available now. Check Samsung's new OLED TV KN55S9C reviews. Every reviews (including consumer reports) have mentioned that this has the best picture quality available right now.
I am going to be honest here and put my hands up and say I was not aware OLED screens are still affected by burn-in - but it makes sense.
I think I am going to cancel my pre-order of the Note 3, things like this really put me off - I love my nexus 4 screen and I think I may now wait out the Nexus 5 which will in all likelihood have IPS.
My last 4 devices were all with Amoled S and N series and never had such issues.
You really have to stay a loooooong time on one screen position to then, only increase a chance of blueish burn-in......... I guess
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My last 4 devices were all with Amoled S and N series and never had such issues.
You really have to stay a loooooong time on one screen position to then, only increase a chance of blueish burn-in......... I guess
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Yeah, screens have come a long way since even my galaxy nexus, which I didn't like it always looked greenish to me. But I played with a note 2 and that screen is great, the gs4 is even better, screens are largely a personal preference but give me true black any day
Interesting find. Gonna have to look for something to replace all the JellyBean blues on the new phone to ensure longevity. Tbh I haven't noticed anything on my current 1.5 yr old amoled phone or the 3 yr old phone before that. But I have noticed how much I enjoy the color, over saturated or not. An Apple genius bar friend had severe screen envy when he saw the size and colors lol.
Only downside has been viewability in sunlight to where I have to drag brightness all the way up to get a decent picture.
Good news for the reviewer! She can buy AMOLED again if she wants to. Starting with the SGS4 Samsung's moved to a new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels. In it, sub-pixels are sized differently based on their longevity. Blue is the least energy efficient (most likely to erode) and is now larger than red and green.
A high resolution screen shot of the Galaxy S4*(provided by Samsung) shows an interesting design and sub-pixel arrangement, which Samsung callsDiamond Pixels. First of all, the Red, Green, and Blue sub-pixels have very different sizes – Blue is by far the largest because it has the lowest efficiency, and Green is by far the smallest because it has the highest efficiency. The alternating Red and Blue sub-pixel PenTile arrangement discussed above leads to a 45 degree diagonal symmetry in the sub-pixel layout. Then, in order to maximize the sub-pixel packing and achieve the highest possible PPI, that leads to diamond rather than square or stripe shaped Red and Blue sub-pixels. But not for the Green sub-pixels, which are oval shaped because they are squeezed between two much larger and different sized Red and Blue sub-pixels. It’s display art…
As for what display is best, that's easy. The one you like the best.
The chick in the video seems to like making videos about this very same topic every now and then, not sure why she's obsessing over this topic.
Erica move on, is this the only topic you could throw out there to actually sound like you're smart?
Who gives a hoot about the difference it's all a matter of preference and now let's move on to something else.
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Regardless of what the sales and marketing terms are, the simple fact is all current and future Samsung devices have made the switch to "Super AMOLED" based panels so do not concern yourself with any BLED burn-in. This so-called issue was addressed several generations ago when AMOLED was still under testing and Samsung is among the best when it comes to yield/performance.
With that said, both the Samsung and T-Mobile sites show the final NS3 specs, which includes the use of their "Super AMOLED Display".
All is good and here in San Diego, CA, both T-Mobile and Verizon retail stores are sticking with October 1st and 2nd (respectively) as the official release.
Scott
References:
http://www.samsung.com/us/register/samsung-mobile-unpacked-event-2013/
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/samsung-galaxy-note-3.html
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Good news for the reviewer! She can buy AMOLED again if she wants to. Starting with the SGS4 Samsung's moved to a new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels. In it, sub-pixels are sized differently based on their longevity. Blue is the least energy efficient (most likely to erode) and is now larger than red and green.
A high resolution screen shot of the Galaxy S4*(provided by Samsung) shows an interesting design and sub-pixel arrangement, which Samsung callsDiamond Pixels. First of all, the Red, Green, and Blue sub-pixels have very different sizes – Blue is by far the largest because it has the lowest efficiency, and Green is by far the smallest because it has the highest efficiency. The alternating Red and Blue sub-pixel PenTile arrangement discussed above leads to a 45 degree diagonal symmetry in the sub-pixel layout. Then, in order to maximize the sub-pixel packing and achieve the highest possible PPI, that leads to diamond rather than square or stripe shaped Red and Blue sub-pixels. But not for the Green sub-pixels, which are oval shaped because they are squeezed between two much larger and different sized Red and Blue sub-pixels. It’s display art…
As for what display is best, that's easy. The one you like the best.
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Nighty night
Transparent notification bars ftw
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I hope u guys really did understand her video.Even if LG over saturated in real life the s4's colors are still more saturated than the LG's even if the calibration on the s4 is about right.This is because of the wide gamut.She's pissed that LG over saturated so much not that the G2 is more saturated than the s4(the s4 is more and I compared them).AMOLED is new tech and even if it looks great with puchy colors maufacturers have way more work to do.They run hotter than LCD,they die earlier,blue pixel burn in,previously black clipping which is solved only on the s4 and note 3.Even power saving many talk of except your phone is completely black with black fonts, wallpaper,widget(lol u won't see anything) u can't save power on AMOLED.I just don't like it because of it's issues.Everyone has his opinion but don't say it's great or better than LCD just because your device has AMOLED.Tell the truth.AMOLED needs a breakthrough to really show it's power management and other qualities.The famous moto x doesn't blow the HTC one out of the water in terms of battery life even with all the power saving tech and AMOLED.(some LCDs OPPO find 5 and xperia z1+ z ultra have punchy blacks unless you turn off all the lights)
Well gn3 might be my first samoled device, but in all honesty I don't really give a damn since in about a year or max 2 I'll get a new device anyways. Disposable
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I hope u guys really did understand her video.Even if LG over saturated in real life the s4's colors are still more saturated than the LG's even if the calibration on the s4 is about right.This is because of the wide gamut.She's pissed that LG over saturated so much not that the G2 is more saturated than the s4(the s4 is more and I compared them).AMOLED is new tech and even if it looks great with puchy colors maufacturers have way more work to do.They run hotter than LCD,they die earlier,blue pixel burn in,previously black clipping which is solved only on the s4 and note 3.Even power saving many talk of except your phone is completely black with black fonts, wallpaper,widget(lol u won't see anything) u can't save power on AMOLED.I just don't like it because of it's issues.Everyone has his opinion but don't say it's great or better than LCD just because your device has AMOLED.Tell the truth.AMOLED needs a breakthrough to really show it's power management and other qualities.The famous moto x doesn't blow the HTC one out of the water in terms of battery life even with all the power saving tech and AMOLED.(some LCDs OPPO find 5 and xperia z1+ z ultra have punchy blacks unless you turn off all the lights)
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Who said saturation is bad? And when did wide colour gamut become a bad thing? Even with a wider gamut, AMOLED still can't cover full range of visible colour space. Even if someone pushes to Adobe RGB or NTSC colour space, I think its good.
AMOLED covers more green-yellow-cyan range. Remember that the eye is more sensitive to yellowish-green light than other colors. G2 is over-saturating the colours, but it can't show additional colours like AMOLED as it's inherently restricted to show just near sRGB space. Why restrict ourself to sRGB when it was designed for CRT monitors?? But the fact remains that AMOLED can show more colours compared to LCD. And that's a good thing.
Reviews have proved that the best available display right now is OLED display. Samsung's OLED TV KN55S9C is considered to have the best picture quality. Saying AMOLED is bad is pure non-sense.
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.AMOLED needs a breakthrough to really show it's power management and other qualities.The famous moto x doesn't blow the HTC one out of the water in terms of battery life even with all the power saving tech and AMOLED.(some LCDs OPPO find 5 and xperia z1+ z ultra have punchy blacks unless you turn off all the lights)
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LOL...There is no High-end device with better battery performance than the GNote2...Totally energy efficient and the screen is gorgeous....
Maybe the GNote3 will have better battery performance, but that remains to be seen ...
And I hope you really did understand the new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels thing, mentioned just a couple of posts before yours....
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Everyone has his opinion but don't say it's great or better than LCD just because your device has AMOLED.
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Here's my opinion. I could give a crap whether a device I want to purchase has AMOLED or LCD. All I want is a good high quality display. There are crappy LCD displays (there are tons of posts in the One and Z1 forums about display issues) and crappy AMOLED displays. Truthfully, on a 4.7-6" canvas the amount of energy devoted to examining nuances in displays is comical. AMOLED has far superior contrast, bolder colors, better reflectance, better viewing angles and uses less energy on dark colors. LCD produces truer colors (depending on OEM calibration choices), is brighter, and uses less energy on light colors. The hardest part of going from AMOLED to LCD for me is the drop in contrast and greyish blacks which are unavoidable. If the N3 had a high quality LCD display I'd be totally fine with it. More important than the display is what it's attached to and I happen to be happy with Samsung's products. I'm not buying a display; I'm buying the high-end mobile device it's a component of. And the displays in Sony and HTC's phones are all made by Sharp-Renasys or JDI anyway.
And as you ridicule AMOLED, ask yourself why Motorola (Google) used it in the Moto X which is the most important phone they've ever released.
Like LCD? Bully, buy a LCD-equipped phone. Like AMOLED, buy a phone that has it. If you're happy I'm happy for you.
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Great contrast thanks to AMOLED
It gets backly black as if the screen was off exactly like other OLED displays I've used(S4, Note 4, S6)
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Actually, in real world usage blacks are pretty poor/washed out, unless you're in a dark room. When the screen is off you can see the surface of the screen is much lighter than, say, Samsung AMOLED phones. It's more like greenish dark grey rather than black so even if the actual pixels are turned off, it doesn't look black. It's even worse than many LCDs. I have no idea how come no one has mentioned this in any reviews, or at least I've never seen it.
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Actually, in real world usage blacks are pretty poor/washed out, unless you're in a dark room. When the screen is off you can see the surface of the screen is much lighter than, say, Samsung AMOLED phones. It's more like greenish dark grey rather than black so even if the actual pixels are turned off, it doesn't look black. It's even worse than many LCDs. I have no idea how come no one has mentioned this in any reviews, or at least I've never seen it.
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ROFL are you hallucinating? My 6P's blacks are pitch black. The way I can tell... The edge of the screen, when black, is equal to the blacks on the top and bottom of the screen.
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ROFL are you hallucinating? My 6P's blacks are pitch black. The way I can tell... The edge of the screen, when black, is equal to the blacks on the top and bottom of the screen.
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Except that is not true. Take a look at the screen when it is turned off. The surrounding bezel is truly black but the screen itself is greenish gray, meaning blacks are not getting darker than that. Then look at a Samsung AMOLED phone and you'll see it's the other way around, it's the screen itself that is as black as it gets. Samsung obviously uses different filters/polarizers which result in much better blacks in anything other than total darkness. I just compared my 6P to an old Galaxy S2 and again, the S2 has much deeper blacks thanks to the actual surface being much darker. You only really get true pitch black when you're using the 6P in a dark room. Otherwise blacks are pretty much on par with your average LCD, which is a poor result for an AMOLED screen.
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Except that is not true. Take a look at the screen when it is turned off. The surrounding bezel is truly black but the screen itself is greenish gray, meaning blacks are not getting darker than that. Then look at a Samsung AMOLED phone and you'll see it's the other way around, it's the screen itself that is as black as it gets. Samsung obviously uses different filters/polarizers which result in much better blacks in anything other than total darkness. I just compared my 6P to an old Galaxy S2 and again, the S2 has much deeper blacks thanks to the actual surface being much darker. You only really get true pitch black when you're using the 6P in a dark room. Otherwise blacks are pretty much on par with your average LCD, which is a poor result for an AMOLED screen.
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Well, it's true on mine. Maybe your panel is different then mine. I just compared my 6P to my Note 4 and they look the same. Which makes sense since Huawei buys there panels from Samsung so they are the same panels. Only difference is Samsung panels get a few nits brighter.
Guess we can agree to disagree. Especially since you can get different quality panels from phone to phone. Just like that can happen on Samsung phones.
Oh and I forgot, there are no filters to make blacks, black as you don't filter light on Amoled screens. The pixel just doesn't receive power so the pixel is off, not filtered. What you are referring to is an LCD panel, not Amoled
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Well, it's true on mine. Maybe your panel is different then mine. I just compared my 6P to my Note 4 and they look the same. Which makes sense since Huawei buys there panels from Samsung so they are the same panels. Only difference is Samsung panels get a few nits brighter.
Guess we can agree to disagree. Especially since you can get different quality panels from phone to phone. Just like that can happen on Samsung phones.
Oh and I forgot, there are no filters to make blacks, black as you don't filter light on Amoled screens. The pixel just doesn't receive power so the pixel is off, not filtered. What you are referring to is an LCD panel, not Amoled
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It has nothing to do with pixels being off. Look here https://technology.ihs.com/509943/w...izer-technology-trend-of-amoled-use-polarizer
Remember the first Nexus, the Nexus One? It also had an amoled screen, with terrible blacks. How was that possible? Because the actual surface of the screen was so reflective, if there was even a little bit of ambient light reaching the screen it would completely wash it out. Whether the actual pixels emitted any light was irrelevant in any other conditions other than complete darkness.
There are no different panels being used on the 6P. Just take the phone out of a dark room and you'll see the screen is clearly not as black as the bezels when it's turned off. I have so far compared it to the following phones: Note 5, S6 edge, S4, S4 mini, S2. All of them have deeper blacks than the 6P due to their surface being darker. It may be a Samsung panel but it's not the same one as used by Samsung on their devices. Even Anandtech have mentioned it uses different lamination which actually provides slightly better viewing angles. What's strange is that the more off angle you go, the lighter the surface appears. Can be seen in this video comparing the 6P to the 5X http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXtDCBSKQV8&t=3m44s Obviously it's not as bad when looking head on but it's still pretty poor for an amoled screen.
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It has nothing to do with pixels being off. Look here https://technology.ihs.com/509943/w...izer-technology-trend-of-amoled-use-polarizer
Remember the first Nexus, the Nexus One? It also had an amoled screen, with terrible blacks. How was that possible? Because the actual surface of the screen was so reflective, if there was even a little bit of ambient light reaching the screen it would completely wash it out. Whether the actual pixels emitted any light was irrelevant in any other conditions other than complete darkness.
There are no different panels being used on the 6P. Just take the phone out of a dark room and you'll see the screen is clearly not as black as the bezels when it's turned off. I have so far compared it to the following phones: Note 5, S6 edge, S4, S4 mini, S2. All of them have deeper blacks than the 6P due to their surface being darker. It may be a Samsung panel but it's not the same one as used by Samsung on their devices. Even Anandtech have mentioned it uses different lamination which actually provides slightly better viewing angles. What's strange is that the more off angle you go, the lighter the surface appears. Can be seen in this video comparing the 6P to the 5X http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXtDCBSKQV8&t=3m44s Obviously it's not as bad when looking head on but it's still pretty poor for an amoled screen.
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Hmmm sorry man mine is just black. Agree to disagree. Can't say any better then that. I'm moving on. If your not happy with the phone for that reason, sell it and get a Samsung.
Well, it was nice discussing with you but one may as well say "mine is pink, agree to disagree". It doesn't really mean anything as far as facts go.
I just took out my old Nexus 5 and surprise surprise, it absolutely kills the 6P when it comes to black depth in well lit conditions. The surface of the screen simply reflects way too much light.
Hahaha so many people here producing disinformations...
AMOLED, especiall Super, has 0.098% of light coming thru when fully black but on. That's the blackest as it gets.
6P, Note's, S6, S7. have the BEST SCREENS around. And by far.
Turn on sRGB mode in developer options if u want, a bit washed, but 100% accurate colors. What u see is what u get on print. But why would u use that, unless you're a professional photographer like me.
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AMOLED, especiall Super, has 0.098% of light coming thru when fully black but on. That's the blackest as it gets.
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Coming through what? Screen surface reflectiveness is what matters the most when it comes to black depth outdoors. LCDs have extremely high MEASURED black levels in comparison to AMOLED but you can't see that outside because of ambient light. Case in point, the 6P looks worse than most good LCDs outside. It's like when people claim plasma TVs have amazing blacks but forget to mention that is only true in low light conditions.
Jockson I understand and agree with you. The screen on the 6P has a lighter surface color than the black bezels above and below which is noticeable. It isn't a major detractor from the visual quality screen on, but I agree that in a bright setting, blacks don't get to be as black as could be. It isn't bad by any means, but unless you get a completely black unreflective layer it may not be easy to improve (or Samsung is hogging it all to themselves).
Either way, you're right though the quality of the screen is still really good on the 6P so, yea. Still like my 6P, even after using a HTC 10 with it for the past 6 months. Both great, but the 6P has me returning to it more, for now.
Finally someone understands what I'm talking about. I don't want to "sell this phone and buy a Samsung then". I already had the Note 5 and got rid of it for the 6P. Love this phone, love the screen as well in low light conditions. But this really caught me by surprise. I've switched to a full black theme and outside, it really shows how washed out it really is. On a cloudy day outside, blacks on the Note 5 look almost perfectly black and yet the 6P next to it looks horribly washed out and more like greenish grey. I knew it wouldn't compete with the Note 5 in direct sunlight but it's pretty disappointing that it loses out considerably in medium light conditions as well. And not only to the Note 5 but to the ancient S2 as well. The display surface just doesn't look like any Samsung amoled phone ever which is pretty strange.
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Well, it was nice discussing with you but one may as well say "mine is pink, agree to disagree". It doesn't really mean anything as far as facts go.
I just took out my old Nexus 5 and surprise surprise, it absolutely kills the 6P when it comes to black depth in well lit conditions. The surface of the screen simply reflects way too much light.
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I agree with this completely. It's pretty hard not to notice that there is a definite green/brown tint to the display in contrast to the surrounding black bezel when in good ambient light. I came from a Nexus 4 and I was immediately disappointed by this aspect of the 6P display. Since then I have reconciled this disappointment with the fact that the 6P is overall a fantastic phone with substantially better value than other premium phones.
I'm not 100% sure that it's much better on Samsung devices because Samsung goes out of its way to mask this issue by making the top and bottom bezels of their phones different (non-black) colors. I'll even go so far as to suggest that the curved display on the Edge was a gimmicky attempt to obscure this issue. This, among others, is an AMOLED problem and why Apple hasn't used them. Still love the 6P, especially now on Nougat.
You are absolutely right regarding Samsung making their bezels non black. Even on their black phones bezels are often very, very dark grey. But still, their screens do have far less reflective surface. I wasn't really sure myself was it such a big difference until I compared it side by side with the Note 5, S6 edge and S2. The 6P just looks green and very washed out in comparison.
People often forget it's the perception of contrast that matters, not the absolute measured black level. LCD often gets criticized for poor contrast but visually it has deeper blacks than plasma and CRT do, except in low ambient light. Same story with the 6P. Great blacks when there isn't much light around, otherwise pretty poor and washed out.
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You are absolutely right regarding Samsung making their bezels non black. Even on their black phones bezels are often very, very dark grey. But still, their screens do have far less reflective surface. I wasn't really sure myself was it such a big difference until I compared it side by side with the Note 5, S6 edge and S2. The 6P just looks green and very washed out in comparison.
People often forget it's the perception of contrast that matters, not the absolute measured black level. LCD often gets criticized for poor contrast but visually it has deeper blacks than plasma and CRT do, except in low ambient light. Same story with the 6P. Great blacks when there isn't much light around, otherwise pretty poor and washed out.
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Well yes if the screen is off and you're in sunlight, you can see the difference from the bezel. That's normal for every phone. I rarely use my phone in direct sunlight. I'm talking about normal use and when the screen is on, I can not tell the difference if say the status bar is black and the edge/top/bottom of the bezel. So if you're just talking about screen off and in bright light/sunlight.... that's every phone basically. But I don't stare at my phone and worry about how dark the screen is when it's off.
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ROFL are you hallucinating? My 6P's blacks are pitch black. The way I can tell... The edge of the screen, when black, is equal to the blacks on the top and bottom of the screen.
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That's true. I usually root to get the tinted navigation bar but this time i didn't root to get that because the blacks are usually same as the bezel of the phone which looks damn good.
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Well yes if the screen is off and you're in sunlight, you can see the difference from the bezel. That's normal for every phone. I rarely use my phone in direct sunlight. I'm talking about normal use and when the screen is on, I can not tell the difference if say the status bar is black and the edge/top/bottom of the bezel. So if you're just talking about screen off and in bright light/sunlight.... that's every phone basically. But I don't stare at my phone and worry about how dark the screen is when it's off.
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How dark the screen is when it is turned off IS what the blacks actually look like. It can't look any darker than that, the screen doesn't emit the "black" color When there is bright content on the screen it just tricks your eyes/brain into thinking black areas are darker than they really are but in reality, contrast is still pretty poor.
I'm not talking about direct sunlight either. Even in medium ambient light blacks wash out considerably. Certainly MUCH more than they do on Samsung AMOLED phones and most LCDs so no, not every phone is the same. The 6P display just isn't very good in this regard.
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Checked out the xl2 at verizon. Colors seems having too much black. Still has greenish color shifting in some viewing angle
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Colors seemed washed out, much less vibrant than Note8. I will try to upload few comparison pictures later today
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Colors seemed washed out, much less vibrant than Note8. I will try to upload few comparison pictures later today
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Yes couldn't agree more, my pixel XL 2 is so washed out I'm tempted to switch back to my note 8!!
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Yes couldn't agree more, my pixel XL 2 is so washed out I'm tempted to switch back to my note 8!!
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Compared to a over saturated Samsung it probably does look washed out, in the picture posted, look at the hearts, the pixel looks red and you can see how oversaturated the Sammy is
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Compared to a over saturated Samsung it probably does look washed out, in the picture posted, look at the hearts, the pixel looks red and you can see how oversaturated the Sammy is
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Well in contrast, look at the beach on both photos. When I looked at both side by side, Pixel definitely lacked saturation in my opinion. I guess it comes down to personal preference but I never understood why people wouldn't like Samsungs saturation. Makes everything look much nicer, and if one wants to mute colors, there are a bunch of profiles in the settings as well as adjustments for individual colors. When you lack saturated colors like on this Pixel to begin with, you can't just bring more color out that easily.
The Verizon I went to had it setup with some preloaded messages, didn't actually get to see the OS and working screens. My comparison would be to the numbers the display is measured at, delta E, gamma, etc,... that is the only true measurement of color accuracy.
A similar post on Reddit mentioned that the Pixel 2 XL is set to sRGB mode by default, and that there was a toggle to make it more vibrant somewhere in the display settings. It would be interesting to see the same comparison with that toggle set to "On" with the Pixel (assuming that the info is good, and that the toggle exists at all).
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A similar post on Reddit mentioned that the Pixel 2 XL is set to sRGB mode by default, and that there was a toggle to make it more vibrant somewhere in the display settings. It would be interesting to see the same comparison with that toggle set to "On" with the Pixel (assuming that the info is good, and that the toggle exists at all).
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That's true, there was a switch "Vibrant Colors" under Display settings but it was turned on at the one I checked
Google devices have been historically very accurate with the screen colors. Going from LG/Samsung will be noticable.
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Well in contrast, look at the beach on both photos. When I looked at both side by side, Pixel definitely lacked saturation in my opinion. I guess it comes down to personal preference but I never understood why people wouldn't like Samsungs saturation. Makes everything look much nicer, and if one wants to mute colors, there are a bunch of profiles in the settings as well as adjustments for individual colors. When you lack saturated colors like on this Pixel to begin with, you can't just bring more color out that easily.
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People tend to get that way these days because of the way televisions are sold with the brightness and color saturation practically maxed out. This results in super unrealistic colors that tend to offset your idea of what "good" is while killing off subtle image details in the process. Samsung seems to like to do the same thing with phones, perhaps based on the same mindset that their TV guys use: Make things flashy.
In the showroom it may boost sales, but when I take my TV home, the first thing I do is tone all of that down to make sure the color balance is more realistic. For example, I want grass to look like grass would be colored, not neon-green. sRGB mode on Google's phones is nice because it does that for you, without needing any color filters and test patterns.
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People tend to get that way these days because of the way televisions are sold with the brightness and color saturation practically maxed out. This results in super unrealistic colors that tend to offset your idea of what "good" is while killing off subtle image details in the process. Samsung seems to like to do the same thing with phones, perhaps based on the same mindset that their TV guys use: Make things flashy.
In the showroom it may boost sales, but when I take my TV home, the first thing I do is tone all of that down to make sure the color balance is more realistic. For example, I want grass to look like grass would be colored, not neon-green. sRGB mode on Google's phones is nice because it does that for you, without needing any color filters and test patterns.
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YES. So. Many. Times. This.
I shake my head when I see people show off their new TV's with sharpness at 100 and vivid color profiles with bright colors and cool temp selected. More power to do what u want with your stuff, but it just looks rediculous.
As a photographer using calibrated displays and a Photoshop user, don't make up your mind on Webb posts. And I want a natural and sRGB.
Love the super saturated colors. This is coming from a normal consumer without any "expertise" in anything related to the subject matter. My eyes like it.
I despise the over-saturation Sammy does. This is good news to me.
This is funny because although I was only able to see the the Pixel 2 screen (non XL) I'm positive both will have great displays. I do like Samsung displays however I hate when the over saturation shows the absolutely wrong color. But not too long ago the Samsung S8 & S8+ displays had a red & purple tint on the white screen. And that was actually a very prevalent issue which was fixed by a software update. After seeing the Pixel 2 display I thought it looked good.
I have read that the display on the Pixel 2 XL has a bluish tint when viewed off angle and that the LG V30, which is said to have the same display as the Pixel 2 XL, has screen uniformity issues.
I went to my local Verizon yesterday to play with the phone and see for myself. The bluish tint off angle is absolutely there. It didn't bother me but it might bother some. As far as screen uniformity I didn't see any issues. At least not with the display phone. I tested with light gray and dark gray backgrounds at high and low screen brightness and I used my hands to block out room lighting as best as I could.
Color saturation looked good to me. A bit more saturated than my Nexus 5X I used as a side by side comparison.
The verge panned the v30 display in their review today. This isn't looking good
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I thought the tech community panned the verge years ago