Hi guys, as I cant stand the ads I'm thinking of rooting the device but I wonder if I can have OTA updates after this and if yes, do I have to re-root the phone after the updates?
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epivitor said:
Hi guys, as I cant stand the ads I'm thinking of rooting the device but I wonder if I can have OTA updates after this and if yes, do I have to re-root the phone after the updates?
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If you have non gpe device then yes root will deny ota.
No my device isnt the gpe.
How can I update my phone then ?
epivitor said:
No my device isnt the gpe.
How can I update my phone then ?
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flash stock rom
update via OTA
again root..
solved...
reversegear said:
flash stock rom
update via OTA
again root..
solved...
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There is no other easier way to do this?
I had in mind something like download the update to the pc and apply it to the phone with usb connection. Isnt that possible. Could this method I thought brick the phone?
epivitor said:
There is no other easier way to do this?
I had in mind something like download the update to the pc and apply it to the phone with usb connection. Isnt that possible. Could this method I thought brick the phone?
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afaik OTAs cannot be installed via PC
name itself says Over The Air
reversegear said:
afaik OTAs cannot be installed via PC
name itself says Over The Air
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I wanted to say if I get the OTA update from another source not over the air of course, could I flash it without porblem through usb cable?
epivitor said:
I wanted to say if I get the OTA update from another source not over the air of course, could I flash it without porblem through usb cable?
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no you cannot flash OTAs via PC
S0bes said:
If you have non gpe device then yes root will deny ota.
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Really? My XT1032 is rooted since i bought it and I was still able to apply the February OTA. Didn't wait for it to reach my phone though - I've downloaded it here on XDA, then checked for updates.
epivitor said:
There is no other easier way to do this?
I had in mind something like download the update to the pc and apply it to the phone with usb connection. Isnt that possible. Could this method I thought brick the phone?
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you can install CWM.
Then make a full backup. You can move it on your pc or let it take space on your phone.
After that you can apply any patches via CWM or install root or whatsoever
When your phone will show the next update you should:
1) Boot into CWM and recover your backup. BUT! You should recover only part of it. The system part.
backup and restore -> advanced restore from /sdcard -> choose your backup -> restore system
2) wait till it complete.
Now you can delete your backup.
Reboot your phone (reboot system now)
After that you will see 2 messages and if you wanna be able to apply ota you have to make the right choises
Q: ROM may flash stock recovery on boot. Fix?
A: NO
Q: Root access is missing. Root device?
A:NO
After all that steps you'll get:
1) clear system part (which means no root, modified files etc)
2) default recovery
I've read "mixed" opinions about this; some say rooted devices lose updates and some say otherwise. I've also heard that if you flash ROM A on top of ROM B that's your original ROM, and you get signature errors you no more receive OTA updates. By the way, I was able to receive OTA updates on my Asia Retail XT1033 that was flashed to Retail UK XT1032. It would be cool if some senior member here shed some light on this subject.
knizmi said:
Really? My XT1032 is rooted since i bought it and I was still able to apply the February OTA. Didn't wait for it to reach my phone though - I've downloaded it here on XDA, then checked for updates.
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yes, it can be so. I heard about the same situation from few people. But other still can not apply ota with root
S0bes said:
yes, it can be so. I heard about the same situation from few people. But other still can not apply ota with root
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I think that people who have reported that they can't apply the OTA update had messed their /system partition in other ways than just rooting.
I've studied the update package and all it does is that it first checks if the files (and only those files) that are going to be updated are untampered with and if everything is allright, they are patched.
To sum it up - you can have extra files on your /system folder (like the su binary), but all of the updated files must be stock. The updater really doesn't care if su, xposed or other mods are present.
knizmi said:
I think that people who have reported that they can't apply the OTA update had messed their /system partition in other ways than just rooting.
I've studied the update package and all it does is that it first checks if the files (and only those files) that are going to be updated are untampered with and if everything is allright, they are patched.
To sum it up - you can have extra files on your /system folder (like the su binary), but all of the updated files must be stock. The updater really doesn't care if su, xposed or other mods are present.
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Is there a problem if some of the apps are disabled ? (not with titanium backup but through settings->apps->select the app ->disable)
epivitor said:
Is there a problem if some of the apps are disabled ? (not with titanium backup but through settings->apps->select the app ->disable)
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No, disabled apps are still where they are supposed to be. The OTA updater checks if the file is there (it is), if the fingerprint matches (it does) and then it patches the app even when it's disabled.
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For the Nexus 5, how can I install an OTA update without losing root?
I believe there are different ways to do this, Can some share what works? With or without a custom recovery installed. Thanks.
(For this who haven't heard, an update is rumored for 11/13, FWIW)
pseudoware said:
For the Nexus 5, how can I install an OTA update without losing root?
I believe there are different ways to do this, Can some share what works? With or without a custom recovery installed. Thanks.
(For this who haven't heard, an update is rumored for 11/13, FWIW)
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Check if OTA Rootkeeper https://play.google.com/store/search?q=ota rootkeeper is 4.4 compatible or maybe a similar app. If it isn`t rerooting with CF Auto Root will take 2 minutes bro.
-Edit- enable root survival mode after installing a OTA if you use superSU in the superSU settings menu
.... i'm sorry, but i have to ask why bother with the OTA updates if one has a custom recovery installed? can almost bet money on someone having a flashable image here of the stock ROM within hours of one being released.
elementaldragon said:
.... i'm sorry, but i have to ask why bother with the OTA updates if one has a custom recovery installed? can almost bet money on someone having a flashable image here of the stock ROM within hours of one being released.
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True, but some are still on the stock rom, recovery and kernel and only want root.
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For the Nexus 5, how can I install an OTA update without losing root?
I believe there are different ways to do this, Can some share what works? With or without a custom recovery installed. Thanks.
(For this who haven't heard, an update is rumored for 11/13, FWIW)
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Who cares when it's so easy to root.
Thanks for the replies. Which N5 sub-forum is the most likely place where someone would post the updated flashable stock image, when available?
pseudoware said:
Thanks for the replies. Which N5 sub-forum is the most likely place where someone would post the updated flashable stock image, when available?
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Chuck this out in the general forum, it's stikied. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46290762
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Who cares when it's so easy to root.
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But wouldn't one lose their data if they used CF-Auto Root again?
When I did the process, it wiped my phone.
Or is it that once the bootloader is unlocked it never wipes the phone again? Meaning it's just a simple matter of running CF auto root after OTA update and nothing else will be changed?
Still have the doubt
I know this information has to be somewhere in this forum, but I have searched and haven't found it. The question is, if I install an update with TWRP, will I lose root as well? If so, is there a way to get it back without wiping everything?
I think the answer is in what the previous post says, that once the bootloader is unlocked, there is no forced wipe anymore. I'm not sure, though.
Actually, the only thing I want is to be able to update to stock unaltered ROMs without losing root (and without a full wipe, of course), I don't care if I have to flash it manually or if I have to install TWRP or if it's ok with OTAs.
Thanks.
Hey guys I will get my phone this week and I was wondering what these OTA updates are?
When I press update in the options of oneplus, is that it?
I wanna root my phone but I heard OTA updates might not be available.
So, are they available or not? Should I root the phone? I really need it but I don't wanna miss any oficial updates.
I hope I don't lose my root later or something!
OTA updates are Over The Air Updates, and usually they include bug fixes, new functionalities or even a new version of android.
I red in this forum that rooting the OPO does not void the warranty and the phone continues to perform the OTA updates.
Can anyone confirm?
If you change the recovery you may lose the ability to receive the ota updates. But, you're in luck, you can boot into a custom recovery and flash the zip file to gain root access without installing the recovery on the phone itself.
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A couple tutorials floating around and I believe stickied explain this.
cyldman said:
Hey guys I will get my phone this week and I was wondering what these OTA updates are?
When I press update in the options of oneplus, is that it?
I wanna root my phone but I heard OTA updates might not be available.
So, are they available or not? Should I root the phone? I really need it but I don't wanna miss any oficial updates.
I hope I don't lose my root later or something!
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if you root the phone you can flash the updated file or any file for that matter. So to not root your phone to update it to the latest rom to then root your phone and put something completely different on it makes no sense.
Now if you are rooting just to keep stock and root - again you can root and flash stock rom from this forum.. Win Win for you
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if you root the phone you can flash the updated file or any file for that matter. So to not root your phone to update it to the latest rom to then root your phone and put something completely different on it makes no sense.
Now if you are rooting just to keep stock and root - again you can root and flash stock rom from this forum.. Win Win for you
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Hi,
I want some clarity on how OTA is tied with recovery ? If I put TWRP recovery will I loose the ability for OTA?
Thanks
zaibrockstar said:
Hi,
I want some clarity on how OTA is tied with recovery ? If I put TWRP recovery will I loose the ability for OTA?
Thanks
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From my understanding not with 1+1 but OTA's are generally flashed via stock recovery and not custom ones. Question - what was your other android phone?
playya said:
From my understanding not with 1+1 but OTA's are generally flashed via stock recovery and not custom ones. Question - what was your other android phone?
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I had Nexus 4, Now I am using Nexus 5. I bought OPO to gift to my Dad and wanted to use adfree or adaway and give the phone as it is. But for them to work I need to root access. My understanding is once you put a unlock boot loader and have TWRP, then root it. I will loose OTA. I will not be able to flash the phone every time there is an update as he lives in a different country and I cant travel quite often.
Thanks
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I had Nexus 4, Now I am using Nexus 5. I bought OPO to gift to my Dad and wanted to use adfree or adaway and give the phone as it is. But for them to work I need to root access. My understanding is once you put a unlock boot loader and have TWRP, then root it. I will loose OTA. I will not be able to flash the phone every time there is an update as he lives in a different country and I cant travel quite often.
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Then I would go to the thread in general that shows you how to root your phone without unlocking bootloader and use that method . http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/help/root-unlocking-bootloader-t2820628
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Then I would go to the thread in general that shows you how to root your phone without unlocking bootloader and use that method . http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/help/root-unlocking-bootloader-t2820628
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Thanks for the info. I had read this, but was not clear.
Instead just run "fastboot boot recovery.img" and flash the supersu zip from there.
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What I have understood is we are just booting into default recovery and flashing the su binary. Is that correct ?
I have one risk in such case. I will not have an Nandriod Backup with default recovery.
Thanks
zaibrockstar said:
Thanks for the info. I had read this, but was not clear.
What I have understood is we are just booting into default recovery and flashing the su binary. Is that correct ?
I have one risk in such case. I will not have an Nandriod Backup with default recovery.
Thanks
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Stock recovery can always be reflashed and you follow the directions as posted to the tee and yes you boot into recovery flash su binary and thats it. To my understanding you will be flashing twrp but instead of it sticking it just flashes for that session so that you can flash the su binary.
I would go to that thread and ask in there directly for those that have done it or google it. This is of course if that is the route you would like to take
I have received the ota & updated on twrp.No problems
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cyldman said:
Hey guys I will get my phone this week and I was wondering what these OTA updates are?
When I press update in the options of oneplus, is that it?
I wanna root my phone but I heard OTA updates might not be available.
So, are they available or not? Should I root the phone? I really need it but I don't wanna miss any oficial updates.
I hope I don't lose my root later or something!
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See this to root without unlocking. http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/help/root-unlocking-bootloader-t2820628/page4
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Hi all,
I have searched the web, but haven't found an exact answer to my question.
I have a Nexus 5, currently on 4.4.2 (KOT49H). I am unlocked, rooted + Xposed and have TWRP. I want to update to 4.4.4 preferably OTA, officially. I would like to be able to use OTA updates from now on if possible.
Currently, if I disable Xposed, and use Suvival Mode in SuperSU and try to install the OTA update, TWRP intervenes and doesn't let me.
I would like to replace TWRP with the stock recovery so I can update OTA in the future. I don't want to wipe the phone to achieve this if possible. If this isn't possible, could someone step through how to update to 4.4.4 with TWRP installed — I'm on a mac also.
Flash the stock recovery image in fastboot
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jd1639 said:
Flash the stock recovery image in fastboot
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Where can I find the stock recovery? Is that this: *w*w*w*.developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
providedbike said:
Where can I find the stock recovery? Is that this: *w*w*w*.developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
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Yes, extract the image and then the zip file
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OTA is the least compatible and hardest way to update. Why do you want to use this method? It's the worst option available to you.
rootSU said:
OTA is the least compatible and hardest way to update. Why do you want to use this method? It's the worst option available to you.
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Because it would seem easier for me—AFAIK. Although this didn't work, this workflow sounds appealing to me every time an update comes out:
- Disable Xposed
- Enable Survival Mode in SuperSU
- Install OTA update
- Re-enable Xposed, done.
No USB, no computer, no terminal.
Is there another way to achieve this?
providedbike said:
Because it would seem easier for me—AFAIK. Although this didn't work, this workflow sounds appealing to me every time an update comes out:
- Disable Xposed
- Enable Survival Mode in SuperSU
- Install OTA update
- Re-enable Xposed, done.
No USB, no computer, no terminal.
Is there another way to achieve this?
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Running a rooting rom without a custom recovery is dangerous IMHO.
Without having to lose custom recovery
1) Download latest rooted stock ROM
2) Flash
3) Enable Xposed
rootSU said:
Running a rooting rom without a custom recovery is dangerous IMHO.
Without having to lose custom recovery
1) Download latest rooted stock ROM
2) Flash
3) Enable Xposed
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Does this apply for the stock rom? I'm rooted, but still stock...
providedbike said:
Does this apply for the stock rom? I'm rooted, but still stock...
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Yes, whenever there is a new stock ROM, someone makes a rooted stock flashable zip of it. Also if you make any small changes to system, sometimes like adblocking, OTA will fail but flashable zip of rom will just override all that bs.
latest 4.4.4 rooted stock rom is in a thread which you can find i the resources section of the sticky-roll-up thread. You can get there via my signature.
That way, you can take a nandroid backup so if anything goes wrong after the update, you can do a full restore, where as with OTA you will not be able to with stock recovery.
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Yes, whenever there is a new stock ROM, someone makes a rooted stock flashable zip of it. Also if you make any small changes to system, sometimes like adblocking, OTA will fail but flashable zip of rom will just override all that bs.
latest 4.4.4 rooted stock rom is in a thread which you can find i the resources section of the sticky-roll-up thread. You can get there via my signature.
That way, you can take a nandroid backup so if anything goes wrong after the update, you can do a full restore, where as with OTA you will not be able to with stock recovery.
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Ok great that's very helpful, thanks!
providedbike said:
Ok great that's very helpful, thanks!
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No problem.
I just think that way is easier....I wouldn't want you putting extra work in, if you dont have to. It also gives you more freedom to work with mods in the future too, or kernels etc
rootSU said:
No problem.
I just think that way is easier....I wouldn't want you putting extra work in, if you dont have to. It also gives you more freedom to work with mods in the future too, or kernels etc
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Yep it's all good. For some reason, I had this little fear of the fact it's an official stock rom, that's been "toyed" with. But of course that makes no sense really, considering I'm willing to install many third party apps and processes that could easily alter/mess my phone up.
Do the rooted stock roms get released fairly rapidly after the official one is released?
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Yep it's all good. For some reason, I had this little fear of the fact it's an official stock rom, that's been "toyed" with. But of course that makes no sense really, considering I'm willing to install many third party apps and processes that could easily alter/mess my phone up.
Do the rooted stock roms get released fairly rapidly after the official one is released?
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Yeah. as soon as the factory image is released. Maybe a day or two. Which is before 99% of people even receive the OTA notification
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Yeah. as soon as the factory image is released. Maybe a day or two. Which is before 99% of people even receive the OTA notification
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Perfect, thanks for clearing things up for me.
Just checking, I'll make a backup before I flash, but technically, will all my data still be there if all goes to plan?
providedbike said:
Perfect, thanks for clearing things up for me.
Just checking, I'll make a backup before I flash, but technically, will all my data still be there if all goes to plan?
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Yep. the /data partition is not touched. Just /system and /boot (ROM and Kernel)
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Yep. the /data partition is not touched. Just /system and /boot (ROM and Kernel)
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Great I'll do it tonight
Hi, i have a Nexus 5 (as you may have guessed) and was sent the L OTA update last night. After downloadong, i thought I'd check online to see if there was any issues with the update and the L OTA update. I only found one blog/post anywhere that answered my question and it said that it would fail, so I didn't install it.
I have just used the 'full unroot' in SuperSU, and it appears to have worked (root checker says 'Sorry, this device does not have proper root access') but I dont know if this is enough to return my device to stock in a big enough degree to allow the OTA update to work (I have no custom ROM or Recovery, just a stock image which i rooted) So I'd basically like some advice And hopefully solve my problem without much issue...
Should be OK. Root itself doesn't cause the fail. Just modified system files. Root gives new system files, not modified existing ones.
rootSU said:
Should be OK. Root itself doesn't cause the fail. Just modified system files. Root gives new system files, not modified existing ones.
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So if i had installed a custom ROM/ recovery, would that mess with the OTA update?
If so, then that is a relief, as I thought I would have to flash a stock image and relock the bootloader
SamuelGTeague said:
So if i had installed a custom ROM/ recovery, would that mess with the OTA update?
If so, then that is a relief, as I thought I would have to flash a stock image and relock the bootloader
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Custom ROM or Recovery cannot accept OTA. if any existing apk or file is missing or different, you also cannot accept an OTA as the OTA checks the "fingerprint" of those files. Adding new files aren't an issue as the OTA doesn't know about them so cannot check the fingerprint.
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Custom ROM or Recovery cannot accept OTA. if any existing apk or file is missing or different, you also cannot accept an OTA as the OTA checks the "fingerprint" of those files. Adding new files aren't an issue as the OTA doesn't know about them so cannot check the fingerprint.
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So as I understand it, with my current set up, the OTA should run and complete. (Sorry if it sounds stupid and repetative, i just cant afford to brick my phone)
SamuelGTeague said:
So as I understand it, with my current set up, the OTA should run and complete. (Sorry if it sounds stupid and repetative, i just cant afford to brick my phone)
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It wont brick for modified system files. It will just fail verification. if it's going to brick, it wont be for this reason.
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It wont brick for modified system files. It will just fail verification. if it's going to brick, it wont be for this reason.
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Thanks for all your help, its all installed and is running perfectly!
So I wanted to download Netflix and realized I can't. I googled and I found out that devices that you can't install several apps on devices that have been rooted. y device doesn't have root anymore, but I, of course, still can't install Netflix because my device can't be trusted. What kind of dumb shi* is that?
Is there a way to bypass that?
ImBadAtThis said:
So I wanted to download Netflix and realized I can't. I googled and I found out that devices that you can't install several apps on devices that have been rooted. y device doesn't have root anymore, but I, of course, still can't install Netflix because my device can't be trusted. What kind of dumb shi* is that?
Is there a way to bypass that?
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When you say it isn't rooted anymore, when you removed root, did you unroot correctly by opening SuperSU settings and choosing "cleanup for unroot and uninstall" or did you just uninstall SuperSU? If you just uninstalled SuperSU, it doesn't work that way, uninstalling the app only removes the app and leaves the su binaries. It's the su binaries that those apps are looking for and keeping you from installing.
Or did you unroot by flashing full stock firmware back on the device? This should have removed root completely.
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ImBadAtThis said:
So I wanted to download Netflix and realized I can't. I googled and I found out that devices that you can't install several apps on devices that have been rooted. y device doesn't have root anymore, but I, of course, still can't install Netflix because my device can't be trusted. What kind of dumb shi* is that?
Is there a way to bypass that?
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Just download the apk from a third party source (like apkmirror) and sideload it.
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When you say it isn't rooted anymore, when you removed root, did you unroot correctly by opening SuperSU settings and choosing "cleanup for unroot and uninstall" or did you just uninstall SuperSU? If you just uninstalled SuperSU, it doesn't work that way, uninstalling the app only removes the app and leaves the su binaries. It's the su binaries that those apps are looking for and keeping you from installing.
Or did you unroot by flashing full stock firmware back on the device? This should have removed root completely.
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No, I don't know what exactly happened, and I updated my firmware. Root is gone, but everything still thinks that I do have root...
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No, I don't know what exactly happened, and I updated my firmware. Root is gone, but everything still thinks that I do have root...
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When you updated, did you use a PC and flashing software to update, or did you update via OTA? If you did an OTA update, we're you rooted at the time you started the OTA update?.
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Droidriven said:
When you updated, did you use a PC and flashing software to update, or did you update via OTA? If you did an OTA update, we're you rooted at the time you started the OTA update?.
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It was an OTA update, my device was rooted. Doesn't matter anymore, because I've got a virus (many of my files are encrypted and many apps are crashing upon opening.) and will have to delete everything from my phone.
ImBadAtThis said:
It was an OTA update, my device was rooted. Doesn't matter anymore, because I've got a virus (many of my files are encrypted and many apps are crashing upon opening.) and will have to delete everything from my phone.
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You'll have to reflash your full stock firmware via PC.
For future reference, in general, rooted devices and OTA updates don't get along very well.
It's best to have an unmodified system and stock recovery before taking an OTA update and then re-rooting after the update. Basically you need to be on full stock with no root before doing stock OTA update.
Updating via flashing with PC is the safest way to stock update a rooted device.
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Do I? Can't I just erase everything?
Droidriven said:
You'll have to reflash your full stock firmware via PC.
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Ok thanks, but the virus will get removed by erasing everything, right?
ImBadAtThis said:
Ok thanks, but the virus will get removed by erasing everything, right?
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When you flash the stock firmware it will format each partition before it flashes, there should be nothing left behind from before.
Factory resetting in recovery might wipe everything but if your virus got in the system partition then factory reset will not remove it because factory reset does not touch system partition, it only wipes user (/data) partition and user data.
If it got to system you'll need root to delete it or you can reflash stock firnware.
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