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just a vent. My company is passing an IT policy banning the use of rooted phones. I've been rooting since I got my HTC Evo on release day. I don't want to run stock. It's so icky, and outdated, and ugly...
huskerpat said:
just a vent. My company is passing an IT policy banning the use of rooted phones. I've been rooting since I got my HTC Evo on release day. I don't want to run stock. It's so icky, and outdated, and ugly...
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Why would they ban the use of a rooted phone???
are you allowed to get a nexus?
do those come 100% open to ROMS or do you still need to root them? im not too familiar
Just be really nice to IT. Problem solved.
Get a personal phone to play with? But yeah I understand them not allowing modification of a work phone. If an employee where I work soft bricked a work phone on it would be a big problem (considering the need for mobile communication).
Tell them that if you're IT then you need to be admin privilege on the phone as same as on the PC? right?
How would they even know? Do they go around checking phones?
I am IT...being nice to myself. they've got a device purchased that somehow detects a rooted or jailbroken device. Reason given is that it could pose potential security risks to the network. a bunch of hogwash, but I'm not going to loose my job over a rooted phone.
Wow. I hope they do know it still can be a security risks to the network even on unrooted and/or unjailbroken phones. I guess they are trying to lessen the potential risk.
Sometimes it is best to have a business phone and a personal phone now days even though Samsung's commercial saying it is good for phone now.
This is like discrimination for phones
My company actually wanted me to root our tablets we use for free tether. F U VZW.
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I think a big reason is that work/company phones can hold sensitive data and one doesn't know what mind of modifications rooted phones have. What if the rooted ROM somehow send all sensitive work data to a external server? With stock you don't have to worry about that since everything is in a controlled environment.
Sucks, but makes sense.
huskerpat said:
I am IT...being nice to myself. they've got a device purchased that somehow detects a rooted or jailbroken device. Reason given is that it could pose potential security risks to the network. a bunch of hogwash, but I'm not going to loose my job over a rooted phone.
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in all my years in corporate america i have never heard of such a thing.
my next comment, do you have your own phone?
dragon042 said:
I think a big reason is that work/company phones can hold sensitive data and one doesn't know what mind of modifications rooted phones have. What if the rooted ROM somehow send all sensitive work data to a external server? With stock you don't have to worry about that since everything is in a controlled environment.
Sucks, but makes sense.
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It's true. I mean I was in the synergy thread and they had to swap out some coding in one of their notification toggle mod because it was sending phone info (I think it was imei or something) to some server in China. You never know and companies don't want to take that risk.
Edit:I went back and it was actually the included advanceS app (which lets you modify the lidroid toggles and their order) that had the questionable coding.
I can understand why your company would do it, but that still sucks
I unrooted Monday night. Nova Launcher has made it easier to transition back, but there are so many small usability features added by AOSP roms that I'm missing. My next phone may have to be a Nexus device. I can't even run Dashclock now...
fearlesspaula said:
Just be really nice to IT. Problem solved.
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Or do what I did, become IT
It sucks that you had to unroot your phone but I can see potential problems within a company with rooted devices.
My government phone is rooted they can supposedly check for root. But they never have detected it rooted.
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Back when I had a sprint nexus s. It was sending sms to Vietnam I never found out what it was and sprint wouldn't tell me or they couldn't stop it. They kept insisting it was me because they said it was both sending and receiving... Screw you sprint they still charged me for it too
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Hi All,
I'm reading that root can trip knox, having never owned a Galaxy since the S2 I'm not overly familiar with knox but I've read about what it does.
What is bothering me here is that there seems to be a suggestion that once knox is tripped, that's it. There's no way to untrip it even when flashing a stock factory image again via odin?
Firstly, is this correct?
I'm worried about resale value to the point that I might not care about mobile payments etc, but others might, so a tripped knox could affect value.
If the above is correct I might cancel my pre order, I need root but I don't want a phone that's got limited resale either.
TheBlueRaja said:
What is bothering me here is that there seems to be a suggestion that once knox is tripped, that's it. There's no way to untrip it even when flashing a stock factory image again via odin?
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Yes that is correct. Once the Knox flag is tripped you can not reverse it.
I don't think it has been confirmed yet that Knox flag breaks Samsung Pay. From what I have read it breaks software dependant on Knox security, ie the BYOD type apps. They use it as an indicator your device is insecure, so It seems reasonable to assume Pay would break too.
Damn it, What a stupid thing to do.
I can understand it being tripped if you are rooted, but to make it permanent if the situation is reverted is ridiculous.
Thanks for the info, I'll hold out a few more days to see what develops just in case, but I think I'm going to cancel my preorder as I need root but I also have to consider selling it on eventually.
Stupid, stupid decision. :crying:
TheBlueRaja said:
Thanks for the info, I'll hold out a few more days to see what develops just in case, but I think I'm going to cancel my preorder as I need root but I also have to consider selling it on eventually.
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hey, why do you need rooting your phone?
I thought the same way but now I'm going to use adaway with setting up proxy settings in my wifi and mobile apn connections.
The only thing I should need root for is Titanium Backup, but I think with Helium (by ClockworkMod) backups should be performed easily
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hey, why do you need rooting your phone?
I thought the same way but now I'm going to use adaway with setting up proxy settings in my wifi and mobile apn connections.
The only thing I should need root for is Titanium Backup, but I think with Helium (by ClockworkMod) backups should be performed easily
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Its more than Adaway / Titanium backup, its removing Facebook, Instagram and Skype, which i don't use and or want, being able to run Xposed and root explorer so that i can use MY phone the way I want it without permanently affecting the resale value even if its returned to stock.
Look at it this way, I have a lovely PC for you - top of the line, fast as hell, lots of memory, premium price, but im going to install Windows 8 on there and a bunch of FREE apps , only im going prevent you from removing them, make sure you cant put Linux or Windows 7 or Windows 10 on there until i say so, prevent you from making any change to the Windows directory otherwise we'll stop you from buying things PERMANENTLY and void your warranty on the hardware so that you'll not be able to sell it on. EVEN IF you factory reset it with my software....
Its a shame as i REALLY wanted this phone, but it looks like it may not be for me unless something crops up with regard to KNOX and root.
TheBlueRaja said:
Its more than Adaway / Titanium backup, its removing Facebook, Instagram and Skype, which i don't use and or want, being able to run Xposed and root explorer so that i can use MY phone the way I want it without permanently affecting the resale value even if its returned to stock.
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I'm absolutly with you.
For me it's not a problem because I'm using Facebook, Instagram and Skype. Didn't recognized that they're preinstalled... sry^^
Of course I prefer using the phone the way I want, but it's not as important to me as loosing the warranty. Sure this is quite stupid that Samsung wants to tell us how to use their phone.
If mobile payment will still works with triggered Knox, I'll definetivly root my S6 Edge and maybe try to slim down the stock Rom like I did with my Eragon Rom for the HTC One M7
eSportler said:
I'm absolutly with you.
For me it's not a problem because I'm using Facebook, Instagram and Skype. Didn't recognized that they're preinstalled... sry^^
Of course I prefer using the phone the way I want, but it's not as important to me as loosing the warranty. Sure this is quite stupid that Samsung wants to tell us how to use their phone.
If mobile payment will still works with triggered Knox, I'll definetivly root my S6 Edge and maybe try to slim down the stock Rom like I did with my Eragon Rom for the HTC One M7
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Yeah - its a shame - hopefully you can still use it, time will tell.
If root comes out without KNOX trigger i'll be all over this - might be too late for day 1 though - i suppose i'll just have to be patient and keep an eye on it.
In the mean time, i'll keep my preorder until the 5th or so then cancel unless something comes up - damn shame though - still i've got my HTC One m8 keeping me happy for now.
There hasn't been solution for KNOX for so long, that it's very hard to imagine that there will ever be one.
I hate KNOX so much, I don't think I will ever purchase another Samsung phone. This is not an absolute statement of course, however it is rather so.
JuniorGG said:
There hasn't been solution for KNOX for so long, that it's very hard to imagine that there will ever be one.
I hate KNOX so much, I don't think I will ever purchase another Samsung phone. This is not an absolute statement of course, however it is rather so.
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If you have root couldn't xposed just hook that call and return KNOX=True whenever queried? I've seen something similar in the past to make Google wallet work with root and without the secure element it required.
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JuniorGG said:
There hasn't been solution for KNOX for so long, that it's very hard to imagine that there will ever be one.
I hate KNOX so much, I don't think I will ever purchase another Samsung phone. This is not an absolute statement of course, however it is rather so.
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The thing is, Knox isn't just going to be a Samsung thing, after all its a Samsung and Google collaboration and i believe and it will end up spreading. To be honest, i've no objection and it think its a good idea - HOWEVER
I do think the real problem here is that IF the phone is returned to stock it should reset the KNOX flag back to being unset. Simple, everyone is happy.
If i choose to root then fair enough, trip knox as the phone isn't as secure as it should be - i don't expect to have root access or Admin privileges on my work PC normally and if i try to work round it there are logs to indicate that.
However, i DO expect to have it on my OWN computer and without the threat of the hardware being handicapped should i wish to sell it on, that's just wrong.
TheBlueRaja said:
The thing is, Knox isn't just going to be a Samsung thing, after all its a Samsung and Google collaboration and i believe and it will end up spreading. To be honest, i've no objection and it think its a good idea - HOWEVER
I do think the real problem here is that IF the phone is returned to stock it should reset the KNOX flag back to being unset. Simple, everyone is happy.
If i choose to root then fair enough, trip knox as the phone isn't as secure as it should be - i don't expect to have root access or Admin privileges on my work PC normally and if i try to work round it there are logs to indicate that.
However, i DO expect to have it on my OWN computer and without the threat of the hardware being handicapped should i wish to sell it on, that's just wrong.
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The problem, from a security perspective, is that there is currently no way to ensure that a phone returned to stock is secure.
Samsung decided from that point to just say once the phone is compromised... that's it. Certain features of Knox disable and, if it's your carrier's policy, the warranty may be void.
But let's be honest from that point as well. Rooting, in most contracts and terms of use, voids the warranty anyhow.
I think many have taken that for granted and don't realize that it can't be in a secure environment.
garwynn said:
The problem, from a security perspective, is that there is currently no way to ensure that a phone returned to stock is secure.
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Why? I don't see how a phone flashed with Odin using a ROM with a verified cryptographic signature cant be deemed secure? Check this - unset KNOX...
This is like saying that once i've installed Ubuntu on a "Windows" laptop it can no longer be deemed secure and while we are at it, lets fry a hardware fuse?
We are SOFTWARE rooting the phone here, not hardware hacking.
I'm actually curious as to the legality of it as well as they are disabling a part of your phone permanently and on purpose because i choose to run a different OS than the one supplied, but i'm no lawyer and there's probably a loophole or a law allowing it somewhere.
TheBlueRaja said:
Why? I don't see how a phone flashed with Odin using a ROM with a verified cryptographic signature cant be deemed secure? Check this - unset KNOX...
This is like saying that once i've installed Ubuntu on a "Windows" laptop it can no longer be deemed secure and while we are at it, lets fry a hardware fuse?
We are SOFTWARE rooting the phone here, not hardware hacking.
I'm actually curious as to the legality of it as well as they are disabling a part of your phone permanently and on purpose because i choose to run a different OS than the one supplied, but i'm no lawyer and there's probably a loophole or a law allowing it somewhere.
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What you may be doing is granting software access to root and you may only use root to modify things at a software level.
But you have to keep in mind that's not the only thing root access can do.
It's perfectly legal and I'll even wager they're part of the DoD specification that both they and Apple want to sell to the government.
You have to consider it from a worst case scenario. If a device has been modified in any way, how can they assure it's been reset 100% completely back to stock... both at a hardware, firmware and software level?
Without physically inspecting the phone, they can't - which is why I think this is the way it is.
The Knox team put out a blog entry a while ago about this topic, noting it's a good balance between ensuring security and allowing non-business users to root the device if they want to.
One other note: I don't know enough about the Exynos devices past N2 to say if they've fixed it... but the Note 2's Knox flag was not an e-fuse and could be reset.
garwynn said:
What you may be doing is granting software access to root and you may only use root to modify things at a software level.
But you have to keep in mind that's not the only thing root access can do.
It's perfectly legal and I'll even wager they're part of the DoD specification that both they and Apple want to sell to the government.
You have to consider it from a worst case scenario. If a device has been modified in any way, how can they assure it's been reset 100% completely back to stock... both at a hardware, firmware and software level?
Without physically inspecting the phone, they can't - which is why I think this is the way it is.
The Knox team put out a blog entry a while ago about this topic, noting it's a good balance between ensuring security and allowing non-business users to root the device if they want to.
One other note: I don't know enough about the Exynos devices past N2 to say if they've fixed it... but the Note 2's Knox flag was not an e-fuse and could be reset.
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Hmm..
Keep in mind here i'm not suggesting apps requiring KNOX are made available whilst rooted like Samsung pay etc, only that the KNOX bit is reset if the phone is flashed back to factory defaults using Samsungs own Odin program and a cryptographically signed firmware. If at that point the phone is rooted again, it would expect it to re-trip KNOX just like it did the first time.
But, lets play a game, lets say i gain root, KNOX bit set and i cant use KNOX apps. I then use that root to make modifications to firmware on the device somehow, which is what i think your insinuating above, not necessarily the Android System partition, maybe the modem firmware (even though its closed source) or something else, for whatever purpose.
IF you have that level of knowledge of the phones hardware then i don't think it would be too much of a stretch to suggest masking the KNOX bit as set would be too hard either, maybe by intercepting the system call to check its status etc but even then when you say:-
"If a device has been modified in any way, how can they assure it's been reset 100% completely back to stock, both at a hardware, firmware and software level"
The firmware and software is taken care of by Odin, that does both, say we did modify the modem firmware above, Odin would write right over it with a VERIFIED image wouldn't it?
Whether you have root or not, you cant do anything about somebody hardware hacking, that's a whole different ball game, if you hacked the hardware you could just change to always respond as the KNOX bit not being set but that would be low level stuff way beyond what pretty much anyone here could do.
Would be interested in that blog post if you have a link - I just don't see this as anything more than a way to discourage more people from rooting.
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Hmm..
Keep in mind here i'm not suggesting apps requiring KNOX are made available whilst rooted like Samsung pay etc, only that the KNOX bit is reset if the phone is flashed back to factory defaults using Samsungs own Odin program and a cryptographically signed firmware. If at that point the phone is rooted again, it would expect it to re-trip KNOX just like it did the first time.
But, lets play a game, lets say i gain root, KNOX bit set and i cant use KNOX apps. I then use that root to make modifications to firmware on the device somehow, which is what i think your insinuating above, not necessarily the Android System partition, maybe the modem firmware (even though its closed source) or something else, for whatever purpose.
IF you have that level of knowledge of the phones hardware then i don't think it would be too much of a stretch to suggest masking the KNOX bit as set would be too hard either, maybe by intercepting the system call to check its status etc but even then when you say:-
"If a device has been modified in any way, how can they assure it's been reset 100% completely back to stock, both at a hardware, firmware and software level"
The firmware and software is taken care of by Odin, that does both, say we did modify the modem firmware above, Odin would write right over it with a VERIFIED image wouldn't it?
Whether you have root or not, you cant do anything about somebody hardware hacking, that's a whole different ball game, if you hacked the hardware you could just change to always respond as the KNOX bit not being set but that would be low level stuff way beyond what pretty much anyone here could do.
Would be interested in that blog post if you have a link - I just don't see this as anything more than a way to discourage more people from rooting.
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Blog entries:
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/samsung’s-official-response-“towelroot”
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
There are many, many more on the site, just use the search keyword root.
But that's the gist of it - they understand that some may want root for simpler reasons.
Others may want it for more nefarious ways, like trying to access the keys within the TPM.
The end result sucks for consumers; but as a IT admin I can tell you I wouldn't trust a device with sensitive corporate data if it has been rooted... ever.
Thanks very much, I'll take a look when I get a chance later.
Anyone have an idea which carriers enforce the Knox tripping for repair?
Although this looks like a great device, if the Knox trip invalidates warranty, you may be very angry if lets say the usb port or power button malfunctions and repair is not covered.
Might as well buy a Note 4 exynos since apparently warranty is not valid in usa.
bjrmd said:
Anyone have an idea which carriers enforce the Knox tripping for repair?
Although this looks like a great device, if the Knox trip invalidates warranty, you may be very angry if lets say the usb port or power button malfunctions and repair is not covered.
Might as well buy a Note 4 exynos since apparently warranty is not valid in usa.
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Technically the US has a law, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, which should limit manufacturers voiding of warranties to that damage which can reasonably be blamed on the consumer. (for example, rooting your device shouldn't void the warranty for a defective power button) However, manufacturers usually claim the opposite here and I'm not aware of successful legal challenges.
Looks like sprint at least is ok with it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2674884
TheBlueRaja said:
Its more than Adaway / Titanium backup, its removing Facebook, Instagram and Skype, which i don't use and or want, being able to run Xposed and root explorer so that i can use MY phone the way I want it without permanently affecting the resale value even if its returned to stock.
Look at it this way, I have a lovely PC for you - top of the line, fast as hell, lots of memory, premium price, but im going to install Windows 8 on there and a bunch of FREE apps , only im going prevent you from removing them, make sure you cant put Linux or Windows 7 or Windows 10 on there until i say so, prevent you from making any change to the Windows directory otherwise we'll stop you from buying things PERMANENTLY and void your warranty on the hardware so that you'll not be able to sell it on. EVEN IF you factory reset it with my software....
Its a shame as i REALLY wanted this phone, but it looks like it may not be for me unless something crops up with regard to KNOX and root.
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I agree. My last Samsung was a note 2 which knox wasn't a factor and not a big push then. I didn't got to any Samsung's after that due to knox.
I just want root for the reason's you do and edit the phone's density.
Its a shame that we cannot just flash back to stock and "close things up" per say if we want to sell it or have a non root related warranty issue.
Knox is mainly geared toward the business side , so why not make Knox activated by a Admin when the phone is to be used for business where the security is needed. And leave it un-activated for the rest of us.
And i would think the ratio of people rooting vs people not rooting (nor even knowing what it is) is so slim that allowing it wouldn't cause a pandemic in warranty claims.
I know before i root anything i make sure all my points are covered and there are processes in place to un-brick a device. Which i haven't had to unbrick a device since my Moto X or OG Droid.
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if the Knox trip invalidates warranty, you may be very angry if lets say the usb port or power button malfunctions and repair is not covered.
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I agree +1
I know this matter has been discussed before however, I can’t see any of the solution working. I want to remove Computrace from my phone simply because I don’t trust EE.
Why would they want to install tracker software in my phone and pay subscription? I can track my phone using find my phone and if I want Absolute software I’ll subscribe paying subscription, at least that way I’ll have control not EE!
I don’t buy that they are doing this to tackle fraud, they can block the phone if that’s what they need and why the need to use a software which can do much more than disable the phone? I feel I’m walking with a surveillance device all the time something I wouldn’t want my girlfriend or family doing forget EE..
Any solution on how to remove it?
I added this poll to know am I the only person worried with this spyware in my phone. EE seems to think most customers are happy with this arrangement; however, my argument was how do they know because most EE customers are not even aware about this software.
If we assume the worst then there is no reason to suspect that Google and Samsung aren't tracking our every move. I don't know much about this but my suspicion is that EE add this to their phones as an extra security system, perhaps to try and crack down on insurance fraud - which is now at ridiculous levels in the UK - as much as simply tracking phones. Do you KNOW what this software is for, enough to fear it?
The best solution is to either buy one elsewhere - maybe sell your current one, or ask for a swap on Gumtree - or live with it. PAYG phones will have it too because it is exactly the same stock. The question is, why would EE wish to spy on you? Would they not already be spying on your calls and texts anyway if they wanted to? A lot of companies have the means to spy on us if they want; you just have to trust that they wouldn't take the chance to do so because of the repercussions for their reputation - remember that if EE actually used this software to covertly spy on you and your activities they would be breaking the law in a BIG way.
In buying a phone from EE you basically agree to put up with their bundled crapware - they have no obligation to allow you to remove this, since they are subsidising the handset, and unless you can prove that they are using this software for nefarious purposes - which, let's face it, they almost certainly AREN'T - there isn't much of an argument, from a legal perspective at least.
Most people would rather NOT have custom carrier software on their devices. I feel that it's just something that goes hand-in-hand with buying subsidised devices rather than SIM-free ones. It's why many people flash generic firmware onto their devices, and why so many buy SIM-free. Years ago Orange used to fill their phones up with all manner of junk that I never used.
Personally it doesn't bother me as much as it does you. I've no reason to be paranoid, and I've effectively sold my soul to Google and any number of other companies now so I'm used to just trusting them to be sensible (and legal) in handling my data.
Interesting point though, and I imagine plenty of people will share your views.
salim78678 said:
I know this matter has been discussed before however, I can’t see any of the solution working. I want to remove Computrace from my phone simply because I don’t trust EE.
Why would they want to install tracker software in my phone and pay subscription? I can track my phone using find my phone and if I want Absolute software I’ll subscribe paying subscription, at least that way I’ll have control not EE!
I don’t buy that they are doing this to tackle fraud, they can block the phone if that’s what they need and why the need to use a software which can do much more than disable the phone? I feel I’m walking with a surveillance device all the time something I wouldn’t want my girlfriend or family doing forget EE..
Any solution on how to remove it?
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just flash a stock firmware, reboot, then factory reset in recovery done
Use the phone info Samsung app from the play store to check your csc
godutch said:
just flash a stock firmware, reboot, then factory reset in recovery done
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It doesn't work. I tried this, I tried rooting the phone and deleting files but it reinstall almost immediately.
salim78678 said:
It doesn't work. I tried this, I tried rooting the phone and deleting files but it reinstall almost immediately.
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You have to flash, reboot fully and then get into recovery and factory reset. If you skip a step the new csc won't apply correctly
Use the phone info Samsung app from the play store to check your csc
godutch said:
You have to flash, reboot fully and then get into recovery and factory reset. If you skip a step the new csc won't apply correctly
Use the phone info Samsung app from the play store to check your csc
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My csc is btu but still have computrace. It disappears after uninstal but reappear soon as I connect to Internet. There is no way to completely remove it.
leoni1980 said:
If we assume the worst then there is no reason to suspect that Google and Samsung aren't tracking our every move. I don't know much about this but my suspicion is that EE add this to their phones as an extra security system, perhaps to try and crack down on insurance fraud - which is now at ridiculous levels in the UK - as much as simply tracking phones. Do you KNOW what this software is for, enough to fear it?
The best solution is to either buy one elsewhere - maybe sell your current one, or ask for a swap on Gumtree - or live with it. PAYG phones will have it too because it is exactly the same stock. The question is, why would EE wish to spy on you? Would they not already be spying on your calls and texts anyway if they wanted to? A lot of companies have the means to spy on us if they want; you just have to trust that they wouldn't take the chance to do so because of the repercussions for their reputation - remember that if EE actually used this software to covertly spy on you and your activities they would be breaking the law in a BIG way.
In buying a phone from EE you basically agree to put up with their bundled crapware - they have no obligation to allow you to remove this, since they are subsidising the handset, and unless you can prove that they are using this software for nefarious purposes - which, let's face it, they almost certainly AREN'T - there isn't much of an argument, from a legal perspective at least.
Most people would rather NOT have custom carrier software on their devices. I feel that it's just something that goes hand-in-hand with buying subsidised devices rather than SIM-free ones. It's why many people flash generic firmware onto their devices, and why so many buy SIM-free. Years ago Orange used to fill their phones up with all manner of junk that I never used.
Personally it doesn't bother me as much as it does you. I've no reason to be paranoid, and I've effectively sold my soul to Google and any number of other companies now so I'm used to just trusting them to be sensible (and legal) in handling my data.
Interesting point though, and I imagine plenty of people will share your views.
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I partially agree with you and if it was only about the 'crapware' I probably wouldn't be much concerned. It's not even EE but they have allowed complete system control to a third party.
You say they wouldn't break the law but how many times have we seen big companies break the law? After the mobile tapping scandal, NSA eavesdropping I should still trust third party companies to have complete control over a device which is next to me even in bed!
The capabilities this app has is more than any other app you mention and this app is sold disguised as a 'protective app' making it legal to invade my privacy which normally would be deemed illegal.
It's just the beginning for this app and I can't even imagine how far it can go..
It's illegal for me to install flexispy software in my girlfriend's phone without consent (not that I will) but it's legal for EE, Absolute to install equally invasive app in my phone?
Lastly, EE has nothing to do with Insurance. If that's what this software was about let the insurance company suggest you install it, like Three network who offer you similar service for a monthly fee.
If I was aware about this software before I purchased from EE I would get it from Carphone Warehouse.
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If I was aware about this software before I purchased from EE I would get it from Carphone Warehouse.
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Did you manage to get computrace removed?
Would Partitions Backup & Restore sort this out if we had a clean copy of the 2 partitions (/persdata & /persist) without needing to change recovery and thus keep knox intact???
Well, Gladly I've found this thread too, Well mine is bought unlocked, and bc I am on EE contract and to benefit from Wifi calling, I've installed EE firmware,,, and I cant also uninstall this bloody app, Cant greenify it, nothing really works,,,
There is a system file called Preloadinstaller, this reinstalls deleted files upon reboot.
You must delete this from system/app.
and use custom recovery and format preload
I am using package disabler as a work around which disables the computrace agent from running for the mean time as all the fixes I found involve rooting the phone.
However I did find a dump of the persdata.img and persistent.img on gsm forums but it fails to flash after making an odin flashable tar.
From what I can gather the img files need editing to make them work.
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fridgeman said:
Would Partitions Backup & Restore sort this out if we had a clean copy of the 2 partitions (/persdata & /persist) without needing to change recovery and thus keep knox intact???
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I believe it would and from looking around if we could get a dev to create a odin flashable tar which wipes persdata and persistent this wont trip knox and it gets rid of the computrace agent (there are odin flashable zips for s5 and note4 but none for the s6)
daleski75 said:
I believe it would and from looking around if we could get a dev to create a odin flashable tar which wipes persdata and persistent this wont trip knox and it gets rid of the computrace agent (there are odin flashable zips for s5 and note4 but none for the s6)
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That app I linked to creates odin flashable tar files of the partitions, that's why I said if we could get them from a clean phone would it work. I think we would have to flash BTU Firmware to probably keep it gone afterwards.
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fridgeman said:
That app I linked to creates odin flashable tar files of the partitions, that's why I said if we could get them from a clean phone would it work. I think we would have to flash BTU Firmware to probably keep it gone afterwards.
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I have the files from a clean phone but I could not get them to work do you want me to send them to you?
daleski75 said:
I have the files from a clean phone but I could not get them to work do you want me to send them to you?
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Were they made using this app though??
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fridgeman said:
Were they made using this app though??
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My phone is not rooted so no they where not made from the app you linked just a guy did a straight dump of both partitions to a .img file.
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I have asked in the pingpong root thread to see if anyone has BTU/XEU rooted who can run the app and make a tar dump for us of both partitions.
I think to try this we need the backup from a non EE phone using this app. If we can flash these through odin then flash BTU firmware, maybe computrace will be gone.
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fridgeman said:
I think to try this we need the backup from a non EE phone using this app. If we can flash these through odin then flash BTU firmware, maybe computrace will be gone.
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I am sure there is someone who has a rooted stock XEU/BTU phone who could do this for us.
It seems like every year it becomes harder and harder to root and now with lots of apps detecting root. Like Snapchat and super Mario run , and now Netflix can't be downloaded of Google play store if you're phone is rooted what are your thoughts do you believe root is dying?
carldw said:
It seems like every year it becomes harder and harder to root and now with lots of apps detecting root. Like Snapchat and super Mario run , and now Netflix can't be downloaded of Google play store if you're phone is rooted what are your thoughts do you believe root is dying?
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Nah it's not dead. Just use magisk.
What you say is true about it becoming increasingly hard to root your device as time goes by (and in some cases less need for root) but if root is "dying" it wouldn't necessarily be for the reason you listed.
All of those apps are still easily usable with a rooted device provided you know what you're doing.
I'm on a rooted Galaxy s8+ and Netflix is still in the play store, I can use Snapchat just fine and I'm sure Mario wouldn't be an issue either.
Its my perception too that root is becoming less popular though which is unfortunate because its such a powerful tool to fine tune every minute detail of your device to your liking. It gives you a level of control like no other so I'd hate to lose the option completely.
carldw said:
It seems like every year it becomes harder and harder to root and now with lots of apps detecting root. Like Snapchat and super Mario run , and now Netflix can't be downloaded of Google play store if you're phone is rooted what are your thoughts do you believe root is dying?
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It seems like Everyone who has paid apps especially frown on it...so many people exploiting their work...so I understand to that extent only
I loved having absolute control over my device that I spent more than I could afford to have.
Problem is, well in my case it feels like service providers (carriers) stick it to the paying customer...who not only got #WalletRaped , we also have to follow their lousy ToS...so we are pissed and go find a way to save money by hacking paid apps...which really is stealing from someone...and they cry to Google who turns to the carriers and thus completes the cycle
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xXxNobodyxXx said:
Nah it's not dead. Just use magisk.
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I can't I have locked bootloader
Rooting is Dead ?. And the intent of rooting was and is not to steal apps it was for personal sercurity. To know who and what apps we're collecting information on you ?. Now any and all apps apps can do that with the blessings ? of Google and sad ? to say xda and other sites like them. They have all been bought. The way of the world. Now, open to attacks, but please start the conversation. We all know it's true ?. Money talks and BS walks!!!!!!!!
Now correct me if I'm wrong and I have been known to be wrong a few times but root is not completely dead yes they are finding more and more ways tree shrink that area and the programming that root hides so it makes it more and more difficult to be able to root a device. But I cannot remember where what thread I read it in so if anybody knows please share it for me but a certain somebody has found and is working on a way to hide root and part of our devices kernals once that is fully achieved it will be hard and a long time before they are able to find a way to stop the phones and certain apps detecting roor
Root is not dying. Right now, @topjohnwu the creator of Magisk, has found a way to root Android Q. Root will live on and new and new android versions will have vulnerability that users can root their devices. The difficulties will increase of course but not necessary impossible. Just need more time to find the perfect moment.
Hope everyone is well I've been away for so long I feel as though toot is dying myself. I joined this for I'm back in 2012 I believe in fact I had a Sprint Galaxy S3 and the minute I unlocked it I was an XDA just... It became my biggest hobby after a couple years I switch to Verizon and got in on the Nexus 6 and Nexus 6p game. I became very involved in me arise sound mod and met so many awesome people the amount of information I learned from 6 years rooting building ROMs and all sorts of things is priceless to me. I must have bricked seven brand new phones over the course of 5 years! The lately I cannot seem to get a phone where I can unlock the bootloader. I cannot get a Sprint phone devil allow me to unlock let alone root... I brought my pixel from Verizon to Sprint had it unlocked and rooted but could not get LTE over voice and it was just a mess. I still have my Nexus 6 and 6p in my opinion they're the most amazing phones ever. It seems now Verizon's even locking everything up.
I'm about to bail on Sprint can anybody else there give me advice on what carrier is still allowing unlocked bootloaders and has a large XDA following. I'm so sick of being a slave to my locked up phones!! I would love to hear as many opinions as I can possibly get I have a big purchaser on swappa, I would love a few of you skip please shoot me some phones that are unlockable and rootable and which carrier is the best for cooperation in this matter.
I've been thinking of T-Mobile but then again do I have to purchase a non-carrier phone? Any help would be much appreciated to get back in the game before I throw any more phones across the room and frustration. I'm finished with Sprint at this point at this time I believe... I get better reception and service with two soup cans and a string! Thank you in advance I'm sorry if this is not the right thread! I just never understood why companies have such a fit with developers here allowing us to customize our phones other than the fact the talent that belongs to this forum blows away the hacks that work for providers!
rooting android fones have become so useless and tiresome. Iv always had to have an encrypted fone for work purposes but root for fun. Nowadays its become rediculour to root. Bl unlockin, custom binaries. For years iv always had to spend weeks searching for guides to root and encrypt but recently these samsung phones with the locked bl is a pis take. No amount of security will take over someone who has pysical access to your fone but the data can be reset which is what im trying to do wo allow me to encrypt my fone. Fuk it no one on xd bothers replyin anyway
Is that a question, a statement, or both?
I run stock Samsung's that are heavily optimized.
They run very well and even though the one is still running on Pie security is not an issue.
I spend very little time with maintenance and troubleshooting. The current OS load will be 2 yo in June, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission.
What's not to like?
blackhawk said:
Is that a question, a statement, or both?
I run stock Samsung's that are heavily optimized.
They run very well and even though the one is still running on Pie security is not an issue.
I spend very little time with maintenance and troubleshooting. The current OS load will be 2 yo in June, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission.
What's not to like?
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put twrp, root device then if it gets stole see if u cant slp at nite. Twrp breaks encrypt on sam fones and after all these years still no way of encryp
nidowak653 said:
rooting android fones have become so useless and tiresome. Iv always had to have an encrypted fone for work purposes but root for fun. Nowadays its become rediculour to root. Bl unlockin, custom binaries. For years iv always had to spend weeks searching for guides to root and encrypt but recently these samsung phones with the locked bl is a pis take. No amount of security will take over someone who has pysical access to your fone but the data can be reset which is what im trying to do wo allow me to encrypt my fone. Fuk it no one on xd bothers replyin anyway
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I root my phone to occasionally deal with discrepancies with just about any company that gives me problems. I do this via native call recording which as far as I am aware only works while rooted. Living in a one party consent state I don't even have to let the other party know I am doing so. To be honest though I can't really speak about root access on today's phones mine is a 2018. When I do choose my next phone I will definitely take the time to do my research and find an easy one that will do what I'm trying to do with it. Even if it is not going to the newest whatever phone. I find the benefit of having call recording far outways having the newest tech.
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put twrp, root device then if it gets stole see if u cant slp at nite. Twrp breaks encrypt on sam fones and after all these years still no way of encryp
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Physical possession is the only real security.
Anyone trying to steal my phone will bleed.
If I was you I be more concerned with data lose due to encryption. You are the one most likely to get locked out... and then you're boned. Especially if it's your last backup data drive.
Linux4life2211 said:
I root my phone to occasionally deal with discrepancies with just about any company that gives me problems. I do this via native call recording which as far as I am aware only works while rooted. Living in a one party consent state I don't even have to let the other party know I am doing so. To be honest though I can't really speak about root access on today's phones mine is a 2018. When I do choose my next phone I will definitely take the time to do my research and find an easy one that will do what I'm trying to do with it. Even if it is not going to the newest whatever phone. I find the benefit of having call recording far outways having the newest tech.
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i remember when call recording was slowly being tak
blackhawk said:
Physical possession is the only real security.
Anyone trying to steal my phone will bleed.
If I was you I be more concerned with data lose due to encryption. You are the one most likely to get locked out... and then you're boned. Especially if it's your last backup data drive.
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iv had a few phones that encrypt with root and have never got locked out, always kept backups. But this was years back. Now that every things moved on it seems securing the fone is getting much harder with the manufacters constantly ****in things up. Like samsung never had bootloader, now they do, no knox, know they do etc and it gets harder. But yea your so rite, nothing beats Physical possession, the only prob ? the theifs think like that about other ppls phones to haaaa
nidowak653 said:
rooting android fones have become so useless and tiresome. Iv always had to have an encrypted fone for work purposes but root for fun. Nowadays its become rediculour to root. Bl unlockin, custom binaries. For years iv always had to spend weeks searching for guides to root and encrypt but recently these samsung phones with the locked bl is a pis take. No amount of security will take over someone who has pysical access to your fone but the data can be reset which is what im trying to do wo allow me to encrypt my fone. Fuk it no one on xd bothers replyin anyway
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That's the wrong question. The real quesion is: Why should anyone accept not being in full control of anything he paid a full price for?
Why leave the control to vendors who abuse it in their special interest, which mostly is against the user's favor?
The fact they are making it harder and harder is proof, that there's a lot to lose!
Elmarigo said:
That's the wrong question. The real quesion is: Why should anyone accept not being able to be in full control of any device that he paid a full price for?
Why leave the control to vendors who abuse it in their special interest, which mostly is against the user's favor?
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exactly ! But manufacterers no longer bother about customers and what they want. Its the wallet, once you pay they dont care.
Rooting gives you a higher level of control over your phone's internals. Usually, vendors hide most of the advanced optimization settings. These are exposed when you root your phone. Even without rooting, have a look at the settings screen of custom ROM's like Lineage and compare it with the stock setting screens, and you will see a number of 'extras' that help tweak your phone in ways the stock does not allow.