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AT&T Details Pricing, Launch of AT&T Mobile Hotspot App Coming February 13

Smart money says this is why att has been stalling the release of 2.2 for the captivate. To all those who speculate that the cappy won't get official 2.2 i offer counter speculation that they will announce the push sometime between the 13th after the bloatware ATT apmobile launch and the end of February.
AT&T Details Pricing, Launch of AT&T Mobile Hotspot App Coming February 13
Application Provides Additional 2GB of Data, Bundled with AT&T Data Pro
Dallas, Texas, February 02, 2011
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AT&T* today announced select smartphone customers will soon be able to connect multiple devices from their smartphone – via Wi-Fi – thanks to the new AT&T Mobile Hotspot application. The feature will first be available February 13, beginning with the in-store launch of the HTC Inspire™ 4G. Bundled with the AT&T Data Pro plan, customers will benefit from a total of 4GB for $45 per month.
In addition, also on February 13th, to bring AT&T’s smartphone tethering plan in line with the AT&T Mobile Hotspot offer, AT&T will automatically add the additional 2GB of monthly data usage to smartphone customers already on a tethering plan – at no extra charge. Customers will incur the same $20 monthly fee they’re accustomed to paying, only now they’ll receive an extra 2GB of data each month.
AT&T Mobile Hotspot details include:
* Connectivity for multiple wireless devices to AT&T’s mobile broadband network
* 2 GB of data usage for $20 a month, bundled with AT&T’s Data Pro plan ($25 / 2GB)
* The combined AT&T Data Pro plus AT&T Mobile Hotspot will provide 4GB for $45 per month
* 4GB applies to collective use among all devices
* Overage fee of $10 per gigabyte
“Our customers want to connect as many devices as possible to the nation’s fastest mobile broadband network, which is getting faster with 4G,” said David Christopher, chief marketing officer, AT&T Mobility and Consumer Markets. “We want to extend the benefits of an additional 2GB to smartphone customers on our tethering plan. This delivers more value today for the price they’re already paying – and that’s what our customers want.”
Customers will receive a text message from AT&T – as soon as February 13 – once the additional 2GB has been auto-added to their plan.
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As far as I know, they have not yet announced which devices would be supported by this, and the requirements.
It's certainly a logical conclusion to make, but given the complete silence both companies have maintained, who knows what else is causing the delay (and of course, it does not help to explain why the Fascinate and Evo haven't seen their overdue upgrades either).

Already speculated in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=939114

stoobie-doo said:
As far as I know, they have not yet announced which devices would be supported by this, and the requirements.
It's certainly a logical conclusion to make, but given the complete silence both companies have maintained, who knows what else is causing the delay (and of course, it does not help to explain why the Fascinate and Evo haven't seen their overdue upgrades either).
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any device that has 2.2 or higher should be supported.

If you have a custom Rom, then it's already in there without paying....

sixstringsg said:
If you have a custom Rom, then it's already in there without paying....
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most everyone here would be aware of that.
But that could be the reason for the delay. The official leaked firmware also has it FREE. ATT has likely been developing this to have a way to lock it down in the official release and force those using the official update to pay for the ability.
To me that is ignorant (especially in the case of someone with a capped data plan). For instance, if you have a 2gb data cap why should it matter whether you burned through your 2gb on your phone or through a laptop tethered to it?

Would roms built on the at&t 2.2 have free tethering? Basically would it be possible to combine codes and get around at&t?
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dang3r1917 said:
Would roms built on the at&t 2.2 have free tethering? Basically would it be possible to combine codes and get around at&t?
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should be people have gotten around it on tmobile. there is a file that has to be removed i think from system or framework then it works.

bames said:
should be people have gotten around it on tmobile. there is a file that has to be removed i think from system or framework then it works.
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Awesome. I haven't used it yet but I haven't been where I needed my laptop instead of my phone. It's good to know it's there though.
Also, are they going to lock down wifi access point through the phone? It's basically the same thing right, a computer using the 3g network to go online?
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dang3r1917 said:
Also, are they going to lock down wifi access point through the phone?
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That's the tethering we're talking about here. WiFi AP = Mobile HotSpot. I know in the case of Rogers 2.2, wifi APP will tunnel through a hidden app to verify your account before it alow you to connect. However, if you root your phone and delete that specific apk file from system/app folder, the wifi AP will work like normal. I believe Vibrant ROM is the same thing.
Although, when AT&T said it will offer a Mobile HotSpot app, I'm not sure if it will require another separate AT&T app so that you can not easily bypass it. If that's the case, it will involve devs here to update the kernel to add the wifi AP back.

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This all sounds like The X-Files to me

foxbat121 said:
Although, when AT&T said it will offer a Mobile HotSpot app, I'm not sure if it will require another separate AT&T app so that you can not easily bypass it. If that's the case, it will involve devs here to update the kernel to add the wifi AP back.
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Any wonder why AT$T is slow to release updates? Because thinking like this leads to abuses of their products and systems thus making them have to redesign the software to prevent the abuse. If you're tethering without a plan, you're part of the problem the rest of us users are having to deal with. Not to mention the network slowdowns all that unfettered tethering is causing.

Miami_Son said:
Any wonder why AT$T is slow to release updates? Because thinking like this leads to abuses of their products and systems thus making them have to redesign the software to prevent the abuse. If you're tethering without a plan, you're part of the problem the rest of us users are having to deal with. Not to mention the network slowdowns all that unfettered tethering is causing.
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thats non-sense for 2 reasons.
1. If you are on a capped data plan. They shouldn't care whether you tether/mobile ap or not. You use your 2GB and go over you get billed regardless of whether the data was used specifically on your phone or a laptop via tethering. You tell me the difference.
2. I DONT ABUSE the service. I have had my phone since June and i have used mobile/AP twice. Both instances were severe storms where my home internet was knocked out and i got on via tether or mobileAP long enough to get updated news on the weather. I never go over the cap and over the course of 12 months might have 3-4 times when tether/mobile AP would be needed in the event of home internet being down in which case i am not doing any significant data usage.
3. The part of the problem with slowdowns is a provider not a user problem. Its called investing in your infrastructure to meet the needs of your customers. There is a need and desire for unlimited data plans (not to mention the only legitimate reason to have a paid plan for tethering is if someone has unlimited data which they no longer offer). You get charged $10 for each GB of data you go over your limit so why not let people on capped plans police their own tethering and pay for the overages when/if they use it. (for instance....if your capped @ 2gb and you use 4GB your billed and addition $20 ..so $25 data plan + $20 overage data fee...or $45 total the same price as tethering. So now what if some months you only used 3GB.....if it was all on your phone your data was $35....why should it cost $10 more or $45 if the data was moved via tethering. In summation the way the data is used is not relevant....it is the amount of data. I think even for those with "unlimited" data there is a soft cap @ around 5GB so your argument doesn't make much sense coupled with the fact that alot of the heavy data usage has come from iphone users with unlimited plans who are using a large amount of data via their iphone NOT TETHERING.

Miami_Son said:
Any wonder why AT$T is slow to release updates? Because thinking like this leads to abuses of their products and systems thus making them have to redesign the software to prevent the abuse. If you're tethering without a plan, you're part of the problem the rest of us users are having to deal with. Not to mention the network slowdowns all that unfettered tethering is causing.
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So, tell me this: when AT&T deliberately disabled HSUPA on Captivate (you're capped at 300kbps upload max while iPhone can go over 1mbps upload), what kind of abuse AT&T tries to prevent us doing?
I use tethering very rarely but I want to keep my options open. My monthly average data usage is about 300MB. Compared to some others posted here that uses 1 or 2GB a day even without tethering, it is safe to say I'm not the one cause AT&T's network problem.

foxbat121 said:
So, tell me this: when AT&T deliberately disabled HSUPA on Captivate (you're capped at 300kbps upload max while iPhone can go over 1mbps upload), what kind of abuse AT&T tries to prevent us doing?
I use tethering very rarely but I want to keep my options open. My monthly average data usage is about 300MB. Compared to some others posted here that uses 1 or 2GB a day even without tethering, it is safe to say I'm not the one cause AT&T's network problem.
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Nevermind him...he doesn't have clue 1 what he is talking about.
Att themselves admitted that they data congestion and slowness was due to the iphone users and underestimating how much data they would be and were using. (most of which had nothing to do with tethering).

bames said:
There is a need and desire for unlimited data plans (not to mention the only legitimate reason to have a paid plan for tethering is if someone has unlimited data which they no longer offer). You get charged $10 for each GB of data you go over your limit so why not let people on capped plans police their own tethering and pay for the overages when/if they use it. (for instance....if your capped @ 2gb and you use 4GB your billed and addition $20 ..so $25 data plan + $20 overage data fee...or $45 total the same price as tethering. So now what if some months you only used 3GB.....if it was all on your phone your data was $35....why should it cost $10 more or $45 if the data was moved via tethering. In summation the way the data is used is not relevant....it is the amount of data. I think even for those with "unlimited" data there is a soft cap @ around 5GB so your argument doesn't make much sense coupled with the fact that alot of the heavy data usage has come from iphone users with unlimited plans who are using a large amount of data via their iphone NOT TETHERING.
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Each of the major carriers are facing similar problems with the top 5-10% of people consuming a large portion of the data and causing load on the network. T-mobile addressed the problem by throttling data once you pass a certain point. Verizon just changed their terms of service today and is addressing the problem by throttling the top 5% of data users for up to 61 days (depending on where you are in your billing cycle): http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/03/verizon-can-now-throttle-top-five-percent-of-bandwidth-hogs-down/ . AT&T is addressing the problem with tiered data plans and charging per 1GB overage.
Personally, I wish the carriers would give you an option. Option 1, unlimited data with a $20 tethering charge and throttling if you exceed a certain amount. Or Option 2, a tiered data plan for a set price and no tethering charge, pay as you go per 1 GB overage.
While I know people will be upset if they can't get unlimited data + tethering for $15 per month because that is what they had with their old mediamax plan, I think it is an acceptable compromise for the carriers to charge heavy data users more money so they can invest it in making the infrastructure faster and adding more coverage. I'd just like to have more choice in how it works.

bames said:
...To me that is ignorant (especially in the case of someone with a capped data plan). For instance, if you have a 2gb data cap why should it matter whether you burned through your 2gb on your phone or through a laptop tethered to it?
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Because to AT&T that is all money in their pockets.
If you have a 2GB data plan, that doe snot mean you will use 2GB that month, or any month. AT&T knows this. They also know that if you have multiple avenues to tap into that 2GB, you will be more likely to use more of it.
I have the unlimited plan, and while I was on a blackberry I think my highest utilization in a month was 200 MB. Multiply that by a few million customers and you can see there is a huge potential for overloading AT&T's network if they all decided to start using even half of their cap in a month.
I am not defending AT&T's move here, but I can see their reasoning behind making tethering difficult for the average customer to get.

Miami_Son said:
Any wonder why AT$T is slow to release updates? Because thinking like this leads to abuses of their products and systems thus making them have to redesign the software to prevent the abuse. If you're tethering without a plan, you're part of the problem the rest of us users are having to deal with. Not to mention the network slowdowns all that unfettered tethering is causing.
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The other carriers dont seem to have this issue. I dont believe they should legally be able to charge for tethering or doing anything else IP related on a data plan. They're free to charge whatever they want per kilobyte used or they can cut people off if they go over and they really can't handle the excess usage. If you aren't familiar with net neutrality then I'm sure that sounds like a scary assertion. It's far from a simple topic though and there is more at stake than ATT's rights as a company.
If you're tethering without a plan, you're part of the problem the rest of us users are having to deal with.
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If you're on the opposing side of net neutrality then you're part of a much, much larger problem.

joeybear23 said:
Because to AT&T that is all money in their pockets.
If you have a 2GB data plan, that doe snot mean you will use 2GB that month, or any month. AT&T knows this. They also know that if you have multiple avenues to tap into that 2GB, you will be more likely to use more of it.
I have the unlimited plan, and while I was on a blackberry I think my highest utilization in a month was 200 MB. Multiply that by a few million customers and you can see there is a huge potential for overloading AT&T's network if they all decided to start using even half of their cap in a month.
I am not defending AT&T's move here, but I can see their reasoning behind making tethering difficult for the average customer to get.
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2gb's is 2gb's. Charging for tethering is like charging me more for 2 gallons of gasoline in a rectangular shaped gas can than you charge for 2 gallons of gasoline in a cylindrical shaped can.
Even in your scenario....longterm taking advantage of your customers in a scam doesn't make sense and it still negates that fact that many of the high data users aren't tethering they are iphone users who do all of their internet use on their phone (including people streaming netflix to their iphones). If a user uses 2gb all tethering they shouldn't be charged more than an iphone user who uses 2gb all on their phone.

I totally agree. Charge for tethering has more to do with extra $$ in carrier's pocket than anything else. If your network can't handle the load, throttling on everyone is an acceptable solution, not just the top data hog. Top data hog can be dealt with a cap.
What I don't like is they offer so called 'unlimited' plan then if you use over a few GBs, they start to apply soft caps, either cut you off or throttle you down significantly (T-Mo). This kind of practice should be illegal.
I'd propose following data plan schema:
1. Two tiered: premium vs economic. Premium tier offer a 2 or 4GB hard cap at full speed. Over the cap, you can opt to pay $$$ per GB or simply cut off data connection. Economic tier offer 250 to 350 MB hard cap with much lower speed. Over the cap, you can opt to pay $$$ per MB or simply cut off data connection.
2. Throttling: if network congestion happens, everyone on the network at that moment get throttled down equally until the network traffic eases. Basically, offer a minimum QoS guarantee.
3. Get rid of tethering charge. It can be totally covered by #1 and #2.
Of course, it makes too much sense. No carrier will do it.

TIERED DATA JULY 7th

http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/2...-verizon-july-7-packages-start-at-30-for-2gb/

zax10 said:
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/2...-verizon-july-7-packages-start-at-30-for-2gb/
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Data plans:
2GB – $30/month
5GB – $50/month
10GB – $80/month
God...so effing ridiculous. :/

I work for Verizon and the referenced post on Droid-life is confirmed. This is by far the most ridicolous thing I have had to deal with (well other than the 4g outages).... AT&T are you hiring???

zax10 said:
I work for Verizon and the referenced post on Droid-life is confirmed. This is by far the most ridicolous thing I have had to deal with (well other than the 4g outages).... AT&T are you hiring???
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AT&T prices are just $5 less, and they don't have LTE.
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DirgeExtinction said:
AT&T prices are just $5 less, and they don't have LTE.
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Agreed.... To this day I don't understand the uproar. It is no different then AT&T really and they have had tiered for a yr now almost. IE VZW & AT&T have the same pricing across the board with $5 of each other. I guess my thing is everyone talks about leaving VZW over this but where are you going to go and save that much money really. T-Mobile limits full data speed after 2Gb anyways. Sprint has terrible coverage on a whole. And hell they were stupid and went WiMax so what go is that going to do you over the long haul.
And I'm not going to even go into the fact TM and AT&T scam with there claiming of 4g service

I just signed up with Verizon for a two year plan. I should receive my Droid Charge later today. Naturally, I will activate the phone the moment I get it. So, how does the new pricing rules affect me? Will I have unlimited data at $30 for the next two years, or on July 7th will I have to suffer with the crazy tier pricing?
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According to the article I read on engadget, "These new plans wouldn't affect anyone currently under contract, though it's still unknown if customers can hang onto them when it's time to renew."
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/20/verizon-tiered-data-plans-coming-july-7-starting-at-30/

I've always thought it was lame to force people into tiered data plans, regardless of the provider. This is going to place the providers in a wonderfully profitable position once we start getting applications that can truly start utilizing increased bandwidth, but it's going to cost a fortune for us to use those applications. So I understand why they're doing it, but I think it's messed up to charge that much from a user's perspective.
I think having tiered pricing for your low-need subscribers is great, so they have the option of not paying for full-on data, but having an unlimited choice for high-need subscribers is necessary to me.
$30/mth for 2GB is kind of mind-boggling to me. I got in on the unlimited for $30 plan, but I'll be none too happy when I have to switch over.

I called verizon and they said this only affects the tablets

If this causes them to ditch the MS Exchange data surcharge, then I am all for it.

greymarch said:
I just signed up with Verizon for a two year plan. I should receive my Droid Charge later today. Naturally, I will activate the phone the moment I get it. So, how does the new pricing rules affect me? Will I have unlimited data at $30 for the next two years, or on July 7th will I have to suffer with the crazy tier pricing?
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you are find as long as you do not change your current plan. As an example until a couple of weeks ago when I upgraded to my Charge I had not bought a device threw VZW since 2005. That said for the past 4 years at least I have been using a smartphone on my line with the old school unlimited vPak. Mind you this included using my D1, D2, D2g, Driod Pro, Droid X, and Napoleon on the same account/line. The key is I never bought threw VZW I just left the line/account as it and swapped my phones out.

well I am just glad I got my phone before this happened...I worry though that at some point they will make us change....I know they are reporting they wont but I feel like they will do it anyways just to make that extra money

brandonaspencer said:
I called verizon and they said this only affects the tablets
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What the hell? Really?
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zax10 said:
I work for Verizon and the referenced post on Droid-life is confirmed. This is by far the most ridicolous thing I have had to deal with (well other than the 4g outages).... AT&T are you hiring???
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Trust me as a former employee of that company (worked there for 6 years) I left because their business practices are crud. They treat you like crud, don't care about the their employees and have very questionable ethics. Think twice about asking that question

brandonaspencer said:
I called verizon and they said this only affects the tablets
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Lol I work in a call center for Verizon Tech Support and you really cant trust much that you hear from them. I've heard reps telling customers information that is totally wrong(not on purpose) around me before. like someone telling you its just for tablets cause they probably don't even know what your talking about with tiered data coming soon and just told you about our current data plans for tablets to get you off the phone. We don't hear about stuff until you do. So you usually have just as much training as we have.

woohoo! lets hear it for being "grandfathered in" !!!!! unlimited all the way. and if they think they can make me change it and pay 80 bucks for 10gbs, im gonna put a brick through their store window with a big **** your tiered **** sticker on it mwahahahahahahaaaaaaa

Well you may be grandfathered in for unlimited data, but if you signed up after Feb 2011 Verizon reserves the right to throttle your speed once you go over a certain amount much like Tmobile does now once you go over 2gb.
I have read scattered reports of Verizon throttling back heavy uses between 5gb - 9gb, but to date I don't think they are implementing this that much until they get the 4g network a bit more stable and they implement the tiered pricing.
I would expect in a couple more months they will be enforcing throttling to a much greater extent. Below is a article from CNET explaining the change.
Verizon Wireless will begin throttling the data speeds of customers who use an "extraordinary amount" of data, according to a document posted on the company's Web site.
First reported by BGR.com, the PDF on the Verizon site says the new rules will not affect the majority of the company's customers. However, if you are a heavy data user, you should be aware that your speeds will drop.
"If you use an extraordinary amount of data and fall within the top 5 percent of Verizon Wireless data users we may reduce your data throughput speeds periodically for the remainder of your then current and immediately following billing cycle to ensure high quality network performance for other users at locations and times of peak demand," states the document.
Verizon said it is taking the steps "to ensure that the remaining 95% of data customers aren't negatively affected by the inordinate data consumption of just a few users."
The company doesn't say how much data constitutes an "extraordinary amount," only that the new rules will affect the top 5 percent. Theoretically, that means you could be affected one month, but not the next even though you consume the same amount of data.

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Well you may be grandfathered in for unlimited data, but if you signed up after Feb 2011 Verizon reserves the right to throttle your speed once you go over a certain amount much like Tmobile does now once you go over 2gb.
I have read scattered reports of Verizon throttling back heavy uses between 5gb - 9gb, but to date I don't think they are implementing this that much until they get the 4g network a bit more stable and they implement the tiered pricing.
I would expect in a couple more months they will be enforcing throttling to a much greater extent. Below is a article from CNET explaining the change.
Verizon Wireless will begin throttling the data speeds of customers who use an "extraordinary amount" of data, according to a document posted on the company's Web site.
First reported by BGR.com, the PDF on the Verizon site says the new rules will not affect the majority of the company's customers. However, if you are a heavy data user, you should be aware that your speeds will drop.
"If you use an extraordinary amount of data and fall within the top 5 percent of Verizon Wireless data users we may reduce your data throughput speeds periodically for the remainder of your then current and immediately following billing cycle to ensure high quality network performance for other users at locations and times of peak demand," states the document.
Verizon said it is taking the steps "to ensure that the remaining 95% of data customers aren't negatively affected by the inordinate data consumption of just a few users."
The company doesn't say how much data constitutes an "extraordinary amount," only that the new rules will affect the top 5 percent. Theoretically, that means you could be affected one month, but not the next even though you consume the same amount of data.
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Here are the numbers of how they base the choices on throttling. So unless you are using over 15Gb a month it is highly highly unlikely you'd ever get throttled.
1] 2gb+ average user
2] 7gb-15gb travel user
3] 15gb+ heavy user [monitored by vzw]
4] 20gb+ excessive user [monitored by vzw fraud]

I use 10+gb a month
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Tiered will kill me
I went through 1 GB yesterday using my Charge as a hotspot to run my computer playing DC Universe Online and doing my normal computer stuff all day.

Letter from AT&T to stop tethering

Just got HATE mail from at&t to stop tethering before Dec 31st or they will change my Unlimited data plan to the 4GB $45 tethering data plan. I am running the Cleardroid ROM! Does anyone know of a ROM that I can run that will let me tether without getting the HATE mail or allow them to detect?
thanks P!

Well, you could try using another ROM if you wanted to (such as an ASOP-base), but the best advice I would give you is to watch your total usage. If you keep your total usage in a normal range, then you wouldn't raise any red flags for AT&T.

Here's a really wild and very radical Idea. Not for the faint of heart. DON"T TETHER WITHOUT A TETHERING PLAN! If you do, there is no one to blame but yourself. You agreed to their TOS when you signed up to use their network. Live with it or move to another carrier. Its that simple. Have a nice day

I'm pretty sure no one here is going to tell you how to circumvent AT&T's policies as this is a development site. Your best bet would be to use google.

pc09 said:
Just got HATE mail from at&t to stop tethering before Dec 31st or they will change my Unlimited data plan to the 4GB $45 tethering data plan. I am running the Cleardroid ROM! Does anyone know of a ROM that I can run that will let me tether without getting the HATE mail or allow them to detect?
thanks P!
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I used the Android Revolution rom for over 6 months with no issues and I downloaded OSX10.7 via wifi tether. I averaged 8-12GB/month.
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gflare said:
Well, you could try using another ROM if you wanted to (such as an ASOP-base), but the best advice I would give you is to watch your total usage. If you keep your total usage in a normal range, then you wouldn't raise any red flags for AT&T.
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This is false I have a friend/customer that is at 2.51GB on an Unlimited plan and she just got the text stating that she will be throttled due to being in the top 5% of data users. Which is BS as I am already at 7.24GB myself and have not recieved any messages from AT&T.

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I used the Android Revolution rom for over 6 months with no issues and I downloaded OSX10.7 via wifi tether. I averaged 8-12GB/month.
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This is false I have a friend/customer that is at 2.51GB on an Unlimited plan and she just got the text stating that she will be throttled due to being in the top 5% of data users. Which is BS as I am already at 7.24GB myself and have not recieved any messages from AT&T.
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The top 5% text is for using data too much on your cell which is completely different from being warned about switching to a tether plan for getting caught tethering.
I tethered using ARHD rom and never got flagged, used as much as 9gb for a month but barely use tethering, only when on the road or out of the city.
Funny thing is now that I'm not tethering at all I get 2 text from att for being top 5% at 2gb on the second week of my cycle, throttled now at .15kbps...WTF is going on here!!! I think they just want everyone one off the unlimited plans for good.
Really mad here >
I suspect I got flagged because I downloaded GTA3 overnight which is only 500mb. At 7am I had gotten the hate texts. They should just put a Max cap at 5gb and not bullsh!t about location based 5% nobody knows...if everyone whose unlimited gets off wifi, top 5% will increase..but wait foh'gee is not fast enough so we must use wifi.
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And here we go again. There have been tons of threads about this already guys, did we really need another one?
Simple fact of the matter is that ATT is cracking down and with the way they are doing it there is no work around for tethering. ATT will end up removing all unlimited data plans, it is just a matter of time. If you want to tether then get a tethering plan. Simple.

I acquired over 15 gigs of usage in less than a month tethering, and never got the hate mail from AT&T. My average is around 6gigs a month though... Sounds strange that you are getting that letter.

lol, we dont have this issue in australia.. yet
Here they dont care if we teather.. but they dont offer unlimited plans either....

im guessing that alot of people just assume that there data is private. Truth is they can tell easily what data is being transmitted unless it is encrypted. They only need look for a few tell tell signs, for instance they can see if a pc is at the end. There is alot of information they can get if they want to. They can tell u the os version mac id etc... So no rom can make it where att isnt aware of what is going on.
Its not the amount of data they are looking at to know if your tethering. Its data packets themselves. All isp have this ability or anyone with alot of computer knowledge.

Well hey, at least we know that ATT has limits. A friend of mine uses C-Spire, formerly Cellular South, (a regional carrier for southern US) and the constantly advertise no data limits and how they won't implement data limits. they are soon to start charging for streaming from pandora, youtube, etc. But the data plans are still unlimited. False advertising?
Haha it is safe to say cell phone companies are far dirtier than politicians.

AT&T is a bunch of liars. I got grandfathered into an unlimited plan. Who the hell are they to tell me how I use my data. Its none of their business. But because it stops them from making another 20-30 bucks off of me, I'm not allowed to use my data as I want. Its a joke
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As a ex AT&T employee the simple answer is that it's against the Terms of Service that you clicked thru when you activate a phone.
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nmbr1ctrman said:
AT&T is a bunch of liars. I got grandfathered into an unlimited plan. Who the hell are they to tell me how I use my data. Its none of their business. But because it stops them from making another 20-30 bucks off of me, I'm not allowed to use my data as I want. Its a joke
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Let me guess, you didnt read the TOS? I dont understand signing something without reading it. That is just plain stupid. Mainly when your liable for it.

willwalk93 said:
Well hey, at least we know that ATT has limits. A friend of mine uses C-Spire, formerly Cellular South, (a regional carrier for southern US) and the constantly advertise no data limits and how they won't implement data limits. they are soon to start charging for streaming from pandora, youtube, etc. But the data plans are still unlimited. False advertising?
Haha it is safe to say cell phone companies are far dirtier than politicians.
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ATT was the same way with their unlimited plan from the beginning. There was a 5GB fair use clause in the TOS. At that time 5GB was an almost unlimited amount of data. If you went over 5GB you were just doing something excessive. As technology developed (iphone to the forefront) 5GB may have seemed easily reachable by many. But the fair use clause was still there.
Also on your ATT unlimited plan TOS there was a clause that you could not stream video and audio. How many of you saw that? This was very hard to enforce and was mostly ignored.
Also from the beginning you were not allowed to tether without a tethering plan. What is so difficult to understand this?
nmbr1ctrman said:
AT&T is a bunch of liars. I got grandfathered into an unlimited plan. Who the hell are they to tell me how I use my data. Its none of their business. But because it stops them from making another 20-30 bucks off of me, I'm not allowed to use my data as I want. Its a joke
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Did you read my responses above? They have EVERY right to tell you how to use your data. You agreed and signed the contract. Nowhere has ATT lied to their customers. The issue is that they didn't enforce their rules and allowed too many to take advantage of the system. So now that they are getting some balls and trying to keep data use in line, people are crying foul. Well it is because of you that abuse the system that ATT is cracking down. You have only yourselves to blame.

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Also on your ATT unlimited plan TOS there was a clause that you could not stream video and audio. How many of you saw that? This was very hard to enforce and was mostly ignored.
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This is not entirely true. There was more to that clause that specified to another device, like your PC or television screen. It was specific to not using your device as an access point, which, you are correct, covered tethering. You are also correct about the about the 5gb soft cap. It basically stated if one continued to go over 5gb, they could take your unlimited plan away. Streaming to your phone has never been a violation.
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I have a copy of the original TOS since it is no longer available on ATT's website. I just have to find it. It was revised at one point in time to state what you are saying. I have found parts to that TOS on the web. They are quoted below. But I still stand behind that at one point in time it also forbid audio and video streaming from the web. That was quite a few years ago. But needless to say with or without the streaming part the TOS was laid out and some just did not pay attention to it.
The parties agree that AT&T has the right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred and/or deny, disconnect, modify and/or terminate Service if you use more than 5 gigabytes in a month. If you require more than 5 gigabytes per month, ask us about our DataConnect 5GB Overage plan.
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AT&T RESERVES THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE YOUR SERVICES WITH OR WITHOUT CAUSE, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, UPON EXPIRATION OR TERMINATION OF YOUR WIRELESS SERVICE AGREEMENT.
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Except as may otherwise be specifically permitted or prohibited for select data plans, data sessions may be conducted only for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation).
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While most common uses for Intranet browsing, email and intranet access are permitted by your data plan, there are certain uses that cause extreme network capacity issues and interference with the network and are therefore prohibited. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing; (ii) as a substitute or backup for private lines, landlines or full-time or dedicated data connections; (iii) "auto-responders," "cancel-bots," or similar automated or manual routines which generate excessive amounts of net traffic, or which disrupt net user groups or email use by others; (iv) "spam" or unsolicited commercial or bulk email (or activities that have the effect of facilitating unsolicited commercial email or unsolicited bulk email); (v) any activity that adversely affects the ability of other people or systems to use either AT&T's wireless services or other parties' Internet-based resources, including "denial of service" (DoS) attacks against another network host or individual user; (vi) accessing, or attempting to access without authority, the accounts of others, or to penetrate, or attempt to penetrate, security measures of AT&T's wireless network or another entity's network or systems; (vii) software or other devices that maintain continuous active Internet connections when a computer's connection would otherwise be idle or any "keep alive" functions, unless they adhere to AT&T's data retry requirements, which may be changed from time to time. This means, by way of example only, that checking email, surfing the Internet, downloading legally acquired songs, and/or visiting corporate intranets is permitted, but downloading movies using P2P file sharing services, redirecting television signals for viewing on Personal Computers, web broadcasting, and/or for the operation of servers, telemetry devices and/or Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition devices is prohibited. Furthermore, plans (unless specifically designated for tethering usage) cannot be used for any applications that tether the device (through use of, including without limitation, connection kits, other phone/PDA-to computer accessories, BLUETOOTH® or any other wireless technology) to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for any purpose.
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There's a copy of your contract, accessible through your att account online. Read it. Love it. Live it. Or go to another carrier. That simple.
Ze, is it time to shut this down?

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I have a copy of the original TOS since it is no longer available on ATT's website. I just have to find it. It was revised at one point in time to state what you are saying. I have found parts to that TOS on the web. They are quoted below. But I still stand behind that at one point in time it also forbid audio and video streaming from the web. That was quite a few years ago. But needless to say with or without the streaming part the TOS was laid out and some just did not pay attention to it.
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Hah, you jolted my memory with that. I remember that now. It wasn't that long of a period that AT&T had that in the TOS. After it was inserted in the TOS, AT&T received so much negative backlash over it, it had to later remove it.
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Contract and TOS are 2 separate items. At the bottom of your contract it reads...
I HAVE READ AND AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THIS
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Terms of Service is not linked to your account or contract. It is separate and not available anymore for the grandfathered unlimited account.
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Hah, you jolted my memory with that. I remember that now. It wasn't that long of a period that AT&T had that in the TOS. After it was inserted in the TOS, AT&T received so much negative backlash over it, it had to later remove it.
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I imagine TOS was changed quite a few times over the years. As technology changes so does the rules.

AT&T Throttling. What it is and how to get unthrottled.

Hello everyone. This thread is to address the recent (October '11) issues of AT&T "throttling" the top 5% of data users.
update: attached screenshot to show my phone with it's previous and new data plan under the same billing cycle
What is throttling?
Throttling is when your carrier (AT&T in this case) deliberately slows your data speeds down to EDGE speeds.
Why does AT&T throttle?
AT&T's main reason why they throttle data users is simple. They want you to pay more money for data by forcing you to switch to a tiered data plan. Under a tiered data plan, they can bill you extra gigabytes of data when you go over your set amount in any given month.
AT&T's stance: they say that the top 5% of data users are "abusing" the network. According to a recent study, this is not the case at all.
So what can I do about it?
Sign a petition.
File an FCC complaint. 1-888-CALL-FCC (1-888-225-5322)
Unthrottle yourself
Right now, there are 2 possible ways to unthrottle yourself. Both have been tested and have worked with a small group of people I had test the 2 methods. Your results may vary. I appreciate all feedback and would like to know if either method was successful for you. These methods will most likely not work forever, as AT&T is quick to patch things like this.
Method #1: Re-provisioning your data
This is the first method I discovered in December, and have tested it with success myself.
Why it works:
When you change your data plan TYPE, your old data plan is deactivated. When it is deactivated, your data count restarts when it is reprovisioned. You are not charged for a second data plan, because you will not have the 2 data plans at the same time. It's just something simple that occurs on our backend.
How to set it up!
You are doing an "equipment change". This can be done at any AT&T retail store or on the phone (call 611 from your AT&T phone)
Give them an IMEI from a different TYPE of device. (eg. if you have an LTE Android, give them a blackberry IMEI. An HSPA+ IMEI should work too. This has not been tested w/ an iPhone IMEI as of yet.)
If you're giving them the IMEI inside of a store. Tell them you don't have the phone w/ you. Most RSCs will let you get away with it.
In their system they will see the device that cooresponds with the IMEI that you gave them and your data plan will be switched over to "support that device". The quantity of data will NOT change and will remain unlimited. (but please confirm that they aren't changing your amount of data when you do this because it's a headache to get back)
That's all there is to it! Restart your phone and dial *3282#. You should get a text back showing your old deactivated plan along with your new data plan.
If you have issues with connectivity. You may have to adjust your APN. (varies per device) OR switch the IMEI back to your phone. The point is to simply REMOVE your old data plan.
Sadly you will have to do this once a month. Also our system will sweep all active phones on the network occasionally and update the IMEIs in our backend. At that point, your data plan may get changed back to your device, or you may receive an automated text message from AT&T asking your to fix it. This should not affect your data speeds.
Method #2: Phone APN
I haven't personally tested this method, but other people have reported back with success.
Settings -> Wireless and network -> Mobile networks -> Access Point Names (APNs). OR download APN manager from the market
Create a NEW apn
For the name: AT&T HSPA+
For the APN: phone
Leave everything else blank!
APN type = internet
Now for the 2nd APN
"phone" for the APN again
MMSC: http://mmsc.cingular.com
MMS Proxy: wireless.cingular.com
MMS Port: 80
MCC: 310
MNC: 410
APN type: MMS only
This method is easy to set up and doesn't involve talking to anyone on the phone or in an AT&T store.
Please note that if you're using an LTE data plan, you may not have access to LTE speeds with either of these methods. But I'd rather have 8mb/s HSPA+ speeds than dial up! One workaround would be to re-provision your data plan under method #1 (going to a blackberry and then back to your LTE device IMEI).
DISCLAIMER: These methods are still being tested, may be patched, and your results may vary.
Even if you're able to unthrottle yourself. Please fight this BS by signing a petition and filing an FCC complaint!
Thanks and good luck!
-Maroon Mushroom

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The main reason for throttling is to maintain network stability. If AT&T wanted to force customers to switch to a teired plan, they would throttle all customers with unlinited data plan, instead of the top 5%.
Just my .02 cents.
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PeartFan40 said:
The main reason for throttling is to maintain network stability. If AT&T wanted to force customers to switch to a teired plan, they would throttle all customers with unlinited data plan, instead of the top 5%.
Just my .02 cents.
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We already know that's not the case though. If AT&T forced everyone over, there would be a public outcry from 100% of the unlimited users. But right now, only 5% of those users are being hurt by this.
Getting throttled while using 2gb is NOT abuse of the network.

PeartFan40 said:
The main reason for throttling is to maintain network stability. If AT&T wanted to force customers to switch to a teired plan, they would throttle all customers with unlinited data plan, instead of the top 5%.
Just my .02 cents.
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I've posted this before, but I feel it's a good analogy.
Throttling the top 5% of unlimited users is like this:
Say there were a big, prestigious race going on between 100 cars. These cars would be going around the track for 100 laps. Now imagine that at the end of each lap, the top five cars each had one of their tires flattened. If this kept up for the entire race, eventually every single car would have all of their tires flattened, and no one would enjoy the race.
The problem with AT&T's throttling is that they aren't being fair about it. They throttle users based on regions, not on a national level. The top 5% level in New York City is significantly higher than in a more rural town. One man even sued AT%T for throttling him at 1.5GB per month. That isn't even close to fair use. They are simply trying to force user off of their unlimited plans by bullying them into it.

cajunflavoredbob said:
I've posted this before, but I feel it's a good analogy.
Throttling the top 5% of unlimited users is like this:
Say there were a big, prestigious race going on between 100 cars. These cars would be going around the track for 100 laps. Now imagine that at the end of each lap, the top five cars each had one of their tires flattened. If this kept up for the entire race, eventually every single car would have all of their tires flattened, and no one would enjoy the race.
The problem with AT&T's throttling is that they aren't being fair about it. They throttle users based on regions, not on a national level. The top 5% level in New York City is significantly higher than in a more rural town. One man even sued AT%T for throttling him at 1.5GB per month. That isn't even close to fair use. They are simply trying to force user off of their unlimited plans by bullying them into it.
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I agree with to a degree, but if AT&T's soul purpose was to force everybody off unlimited data, would they just throttle everyone on unlimited data, and not just the top 5%? I'm not at all defending AT&T, as I think they are awful for doing this.
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for the second method what do we name the second APN?

PeartFan40 said:
I agree with to a degree, but if AT&T's soul purpose was to force everybody off unlimited data, would they just throttle everyone on unlimited data, and not just the top 5%? I'm not at all defending AT&T, as I think they are awful for doing this.
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They will be throttling everyone soon enough. The problem isn't that they are throttling, but that they are being extremely shady about it. Verizon and Sprint both throttle, but they calculate the top 5% (Verizon) and top 1% (Sprint) based on the national average. AT&T does it based on the regional average. That's where we get people using less data than their tiered plans being throttled for abuse. Honestly, I can't even fathom a single reason why they would do this other than to force subscribers off of those plans and onto the "safer (for AT&T)" tiered plans.

I posted this in the other thread on this topic.
so here it is to help spread the word.
SoCal judge awards $850 to iPhone user who says AT&T slows his data speeds on unlimited plan
SIMI VALLEY, Calif. (AP) -- When AT&T started slowing down the data service for his iPhone, Matt Spaccarelli, an unemployed truck driver and student, took the country's largest telecommunications company to small claims court. And won.
His award: $850.

cajunflavoredbob said:
They will be throttling everyone soon enough. The problem isn't that they are throttling, but that they are being extremely shady about it. Verizon and Sprint both throttle, but they calculate the top 5% (Verizon) and top 1% (Sprint) based on the national average. AT&T does it based on the regional average. That's where we get people using less data than their tiered plans being throttled for abuse. Honestly, I can't even fathom a single reason why they would do this other than to force subscribers off of those plans and onto the "safer (for AT&T)" tiered plans.
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The link on this page prove my argument beyond doubt,they don't care about the network,they care about making more money out of you,plain and simple the fact that they don't throttle you at 3GB with limited plans says it all,even if you pay extra you still are a data hug by their standards and they are making an impact on the network,3gb unlimited and 3GB limited is the same.
This is why i say this companies try to put them self as the fluffy white sheep,when they are the big bad hungry wolf.

Maroon Mushroom said:
We already know that's not the case though. If AT&T forced everyone over, there would be a public outcry from 100% of the unlimited users. But right now, only 5% of those users are being hurt by this.
Getting throttled while using 2gb is NOT abuse of the network.
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You should have heard Shepard Smith on FOX News ranting about him being throttled last week. He even whipped out the letter he got!!!! I was LMAO. AT&T should check the names of who they throttle. Freaking idiots!!!!

The fact that they claim to be throttling the "top 5%" just goes to show how disingenuous they are being.
What if all people on the unlimited plan starts using less than 500 Mb a month?
The top 5% will still be throttled?
What if 50% of users start using 50GB a month, throttling the top 5% isn't going to do much good then.
They aren't doing this to protect their network at all; they are doing it to protect their bottom line.

I am in south Alabama with Atrix. I have gotten up to 4GB in a month's time on unlimited and have never gotten a text about using a lot of data and being throttled. I think throttling is totally silly, especially since I'm paying for unlimited data!
But, the crazy part is the regional thing. Like I said, I went to 4GB before and did not get throttled. So the guy that sued AT&T and didn't even have 2GB, that is crazy.
Anyways, I think it's silly. Watch out when you change APNs. Sometimes ATT can find out and they will send you a letter saying they will push you down to a tiered plan if you keep tethering or changing those APNs.

Stupid ATT lol ... they did this a while ago too, its really ignorant, they already have enough money, why lose them cuz of "Throttling"?

Welcome!
Throttled
It only stings for awhile, then it becomes "business as usual"...

I'm probably the worst person to chime in on this cause I'm a conspiracy theorist but money and control is order or their day. Read about Tesla and how energy, like these radio waves are free and limitless until j.p.Morgan killed it for money. But because we live in a world where money is glorified more than anything else and WE AS SHEEPLE ALLOW IT, we will always be manipulated by those with the need to gain, because the dream is for us to gain too right. Probably too deep for most to truly understand what I mean cause what I'm saying is to more than just throttling but where these things will lead us.

truth77 said:
I'm probably the worst person to chime in on this cause I'm a conspiracy theorist but money and control is order or their day. Read about Tesla and how energy, like these radio waves are free and limitless until j.p.Morgan killed it for money. But because we live in a world where money is glorified more than anything else and WE AS SHEEPLE ALLOW IT, we will always be manipulated by those with the need to gain, because the dream is for us to gain too right. Probably too deep for most to truly understand what I mean cause what I'm saying is to more than just throttling but where these things will lead us.
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85gallon said:
You should have heard Shepard Smith on FOX News ranting about him being throttled last week. He even whipped out the letter he got!!!! I was LMAO. AT&T should check the names of who they throttle. Freaking idiots!!!!
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Sorry to wander into the politics swamp but this is why when people say the private market is better than the government I look at them funny. I don't know who they use for cell service or cable. What kind of moron throttles a Fox News anchor that has 24 hours of air time 7 days a week to discuss anything they want? Show of hands, who thinks corporations are thinking?

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The fact that they claim to be throttling the "top 5%" just goes to show how disingenuous they are being.
What if all people on the unlimited plan starts using less than 500 Mb a month?
The top 5% will still be throttled?
What if 50% of users start using 50GB a month, throttling the top 5% isn't going to do much good then.
They aren't doing this to protect their network at all; they are doing it to protect their bottom line.
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Excellent post and well put.

All the money hungry carriers need to get off the unlimited data plan "paying customers" backs...

T-mobile now throttling speeds

Has anyone else noticed?

I somewhat noticed this and I have unlimited data. I think they've been upgrading towers a lot lately though so hopefully that can explain it.

No, I went from 3Mbps to 100Mbps.
Or did you mean T-Mobile USA? As opposed to the other dozens of T-mobile branches owned by Deutsche Telekom across the world?
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ShadowLea said:
No, I went from 3Mbps to 100Mbps.
Or did you mean T-Mobile USA? As opposed to the other dozens of T-mobile branches owned by Deutsche Telekom across the world?
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Yea I'm pretty sure he means here in USA. They are throttling.

net200777 said:
Yea I'm pretty sure he means here in USA. They are throttling.
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No they aren't. They never did. And as of Friday (or was it last Friday?), the FCC made it illegal to do so. Unlimited high speed data means unlimited high speed data. If your data speeds slow down around 5-10pm, it's because those are peak hours and the network gets bogged down and congested. That's not throttling.

Data prioritization aka throttling. They most certainly are.
I've been speed testing with t-moble for years now. I am in delivery also, so I test different towers. It's only until this month that this started happening. It's with the updated policy. I have used more than 20gb that's when it started. It's unusable sometimes. When the server detects I am speedtesting it ramps up the speed as to show a good score. I think it's actually sitting around 1 mbps or below sometimes.

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Data prioritization aka throttling. They most certainly are.
I've been speed testing with t-moble for years now. I am in delivery also, so I test different towers. It's only until this month that this started happening. It's with the updated policy. I have used more than 20gb that's when it started. It's unusable sometimes. When the server detects I am speedtesting it ramps up the speed as to show a good score. I think it's actually sitting around 1 mbps or below sometimes.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Wow, 20 gigs, huh? I'm currently at 84gb 13 days into my billing cycle, and this has been a slow month since I haven't been streaming on Amazon Prime. I also use a network speed indicator (Xposed module, or built-in, depending on the phone) on my phones so I know exactly what my speeds are; I'm not guessing.
As for Speedtest, perhaps you should read this article.
Like I said before, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Planterz said:
You have no idea what you're talking about. Wow, 20 gigs, huh? I'm currently at 84gb 13 days into my billing cycle, and this has been a slow month since I haven't been streaming on Amazon Prime. I also use a network speed indicator (Xposed module, or built-in, depending on the phone) on my phones so I know exactly what my speeds are; I'm not guessing.
As for Speedtest, perhaps you should read this article.
Like I said before, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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I do have an idea what I'm talking about. I have 3 years with exp. testing the speeds. I know what is normal and what is not normal. Perhaps you should go read t-mobile's new policy on "data prioritization". I said I used more than 20gb *laugh

net200777 said:
I do have an idea what I'm talking about. I have 3 years with exp. testing the speeds. I know what is normal and what is not normal. Perhaps you should go read t-mobile's new policy on "data prioritization". I said I used more than 20gb *laugh
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Give me a link so I can read it and tell you where you're wrong.

Planterz said:
Give me a link so I can read it and tell you where you're wrong.
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Google is you're friend.

net200777 said:
Google is you're friend.
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Grammar is your friend. So is evidence. Give me actual evidence or proof. You're the one making unsupported accusations. Otherwise, I'm done wasting my time with you.

lol...............k

Planterz said:
Grammar is your friend. So is evidence. Give me actual evidence or proof. You're the one making unsupported accusations. Otherwise, I'm done wasting my time with you.
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Unlimited high-speed data customers who use more data than what 97% of all customers use in a month, based on recent historical averages (updated quarterly), will have their data usage de-prioritized compared to the data usage of other customers at times and at locations where there are competing customer demands for network resources, which may result in slower data speeds. Customers who use data in violation of their Rate Plan terms or T-Mobile's Terms and Conditions may be excluded from this calculation. Data that might be whitelisted for other (fixed allotment) plan options, such as data associated with Music Freedom, does not count towards Unlimited high-speed data customers’ usage for this calculation. Based on network statistics for the most recent quarter, Unlimited high-speed data customers who use more than 21GB of data during a billing cycle will be de-prioritized for the remainder of the billing cycle in times and at locations where there are competing customer demands for network resources. At the start of the next bill cycle, the customer’s usage status is reset, and this data traffic is no longer de-prioritized.

net200777 said:
Unlimited high-speed data customers who use more data than what 97% of all customers use in a month, based on recent historical averages (updated quarterly), will have their data usage de-prioritized compared to the data usage of other customers at times and at locations where there are competing customer demands for network resources, which may result in slower data speeds. Customers who use data in violation of their Rate Plan terms or T-Mobile's Terms and Conditions may be excluded from this calculation. Data that might be whitelisted for other (fixed allotment) plan options, such as data associated with Music Freedom, does not count towards Unlimited high-speed data customers’ usage for this calculation. Based on network statistics for the most recent quarter, Unlimited high-speed data customers who use more than 21GB of data during a billing cycle will be de-prioritized for the remainder of the billing cycle in times and at locations where there are competing customer demands for network resources. At the start of the next bill cycle, the customer’s usage status is reset, and this data traffic is no longer de-prioritized.
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Yeah, I just read that too. Was about to post this link:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mobile-defines-the-limit-on-its-Unlimited-LTE-plan_id70791
I admit I have indeed been noticing slower speeds, particularly during "peak" hours, but it wasn't throttling as we've come to know it (2g, 128kb/s). Plus, I still get fast speeds late at night/early morning when I'm typically awake, so it didn't bother me. I just assumed it was network congestion, as T-Mobile has gained a lot of customers in my town over the last couple years. But I guess they are throttling now, in a way.
I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I understand it. I (ab)use my T-Mobile unlimited plan for my home internet. I use a ridiculous amount of data. But even my "throttled" speeds are plenty fast for web browsing and watching anything on youtube or Amazon Prime. On the other hand, "unlimited high speed" should mean unlimited high speed. Are these "de-prioritized" speeds technically "high speed", and by whose definition? What does the FCC's $100 million fining of AT&T mean? Was there this 21gb limit specified in the TOS agreement when I signed up for my plan? Does the use of the term "de-prioritized" circumvent the definition of "throttling"?
I hope that this practice gets shot down by the FCC, but I won't be too terribly upset if it continues. I'd definitely prefer to have proper internet at home (and go with wifi + a 5gb plan or something), but I can't afford that right now.

I have to disagree, T-Mobile is being dirty here. I went to the mall and showed a tmo rep my speed test. We compared.. his 17mbps, mine .4