Please see for the full thread :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2697131
I am all for this I just hope everyone understands this will NOT help for any exploits. It's still important for development. HTC usually takes its time, I expect it in about a month....
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I am all for this I just hope everyone understands this will NOT help for any exploits. It's still important for development. HTC usually takes its time, I expect it in about a month....
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We won't need exploits luckily I can't talk too much about that however. Anyways, the kernel source is so that we can enjoy properly working recoveries, as well as the proper roms. We can have cm and such much more quickly
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We won't need exploits luckily I can't talk too much about that however. Anyways, the kernel source is so that we can enjoy properly working recoveries, as well as the proper roms. We can have cm and such much more quickly
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Right exactly. And are you saying we "hopefully" won't need exploits or we luckily DONT need exploits?
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Right exactly. And are you saying we "hopefully" won't need exploits or we luckily DONT need exploits?
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Well soff is nice and that always will eventually happen... Now root, Verizon may need exploits, but at the same time there is historically something simple left wide open. That is the good thing.
All but Verizon will be able to unlock and this is confirmed by HTC. This means that recovery will open the doors to root
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Well soff is nice and that always will eventually happen... Now root, Verizon may need exploits, but at the same time there is historically something simple left wide open. That is the good thing.
All but Verizon will be able to unlock and this is confirmed by HTC. This means that recovery will open the doors to root
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What do you mean historically? Without an exploit to get s-off and without a way to unlock bootloader verizon M8 is SOL...
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What do you mean historically? Without an exploit to get s-off and without a way to unlock bootloader verizon M8 is SOL...
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Remember the m7 was soff very quickly. Also, the g2 never got unlocked but there was loki. There is always something and with recent soff developments don't count that out either.
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Same thing with HTC DNA. had not s-off for awhile and we got it
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Remember the m7 was soff very quickly. Also, the g2 never got unlocked but there was loki. There is always something and with recent soff developments don't count that out either.
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Right but the loki for G2 still needs an exploit (aboot) and root to work. There is no s-off of the M7 4.4.2 It could be because beaups did not want to release it (in hopes of saving it for m8) or because it was not possible. There are some HTC devices that were updated and still do not have s-off. I am confident, but I don't want to keep saying that "there is always something". M7 took about 2 months for the verizon model. I expect the same timeframe here, but i hope I am pleasantly surprised
Unless a hardware change was enacted in this model, there will likely be plenty of open holes. Soff mostly exploits hardware now, btw. Facepalm was obviously a software problem however when you get to things like rumrunner firewater or other exploits mostly they exploit hardware. I'm not 100 percent, but, the reason I make this conjecture is that firewater for example runs on the device itself, and the fact that it works on so many devices. I do not work with these soff devs, but I do have a general grasp on what they can use to exploit.
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Unless a hardware change was enacted in this model, there will likely be plenty of open holes. Soff mostly exploits hardware now, btw. Facepalm was obviously a software problem however when you get to things like rumrunner firewater or other exploits mostly they exploit hardware. I'm not 100 percent, but, the reason I make this conjecture is that firewater for example runs on the device itself, and the fact that it works on so many devices. I do not work with these soff devs, but I do have a general grasp on what they can use to exploit.
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I agree, and I hope you are correct, but this is a brand new SoC, for all we know qualcomm could have patched the exploit. I am sure they know how to decompile or understand the exploit.
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I agree, and I hope you are correct, but this is a brand new SoC, for all we know qualcomm could have patched the exploit. I am sure they know how to decompile or understand the exploit.
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They do. Average time for them to figure it out is a few days according to one of the devs. He says they are also great people though, which is not surprising. But, a rule of computer science. The only secure machine is the one takes no input and gives no output.. Lol. So really something somewhere is open.
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They do. Average time for them to figure it out is a few days according to one of the devs. He says they are also great people though, which is not surprising. But, a rule of computer science. The only secure machine is the one takes no input and gives no output.. Lol. So really something somewhere is open.
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Yep. I am confident they will find something, I think it's just a matter of time.
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http://htcdev.com/ this says it all
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It'd be interesting to see if or how this is useful for our developers.
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"The Bootloader Unlock web tool is coming soon. Check back often for official updates."
Um, yeah, they did...something... :-| :-/
Hitting F5 until something materializes.
I would rather have an unofficial bootloader unlock than one that htc can say voids my warranty...
I hope the devs figure out another way to unlock future phones besides that method or I won't be buying anymore HTC phones. That will void your warranty, and so far I've had 4 defective HTC phones out of 4 so I wouldn't take the chance and give up my warranty.
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I would rather have an unofficial bootloader unlock than one that htc can say voids my warranty...
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my thoughts exactly, which is what im sure will come of this though, sacrifice 1 or 2 to figure it out for the rest!
Evo 3D has perma-temp root. They're starting to figure it out.
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"The Bootloader Unlock web tool is coming soon. Check back often for official updates."
Um, yeah, they did...something... :-| :-/
Hitting F5 until something materializes.
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They released the OpenSense SDK today...
They also released the source code for the kernels on all HTC phones. Don't know if that was done before or not but it seems like that should be useful.
eraursls1984 said:
I hope the devs figure out another way to unlock future phones besides that method or I won't be buying anymore HTC phones. That will void your warranty, and so far I've had 4 defective HTC phones out of 4 so I wouldn't take the chance and give up my warranty.
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I'm on my 3rd... haven't had a problem with either of the 3.
Sounds like user error to me.
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I'm on my 3rd... haven't had a problem with either of the 3.
Sounds like user error to me.
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My problems must have been user error, the power button was sticking and it was recessed into the phone, another one had a messed up audio jack, the next had the same issue and this one has the audio jack issue as well just not as bad and this new one also has random reboots even on the new OTA GB radio, the last three only had reboots on froyo radios.
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Evo 3D has perma-temp root. They're starting to figure it out.
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The Evo3D has s-off via AlphaRev and Unrevoked's Revolutionary tool....
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Milimbar said:
They also released the source code for the kernels on all HTC phones. Don't know if that was done before or not but it seems like that should be useful.
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They always release the source to the kernel, just not always right away. It was posted before on http://developer.htc.com
They'll unlock the bootloader to the evo 3d and sensation but not the tbolt. Their unlocking tool will require you to provide them with your device information to void your warranty. Only good I see is developers might be able to use the tool to unlock other devices like the tbolt and future devices without having to provide htc with any of your phones information.
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mark my words no verizon device will show up on the dev site for unlocking
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mark my words no verizon device will show up on the dev site for unlocking
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Oh hi mr. troll. I see you failed to check how their unlocker works. It supports all HTC phones, but I would avoid using it since they record the results and probably note that you were rooted if you have a warranty issue.
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Oh hi mr. troll. I see you failed to check how their unlocker works. It supports all HTC phones, but I would avoid using it since they record the results and probably note that you were rooted if you have a warranty issue.
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On top of that from what I have been reading it is somewhat limiting when compared to s-off. No hboot, radio, or splash1 flashing. Last I heard kernels had to be fastbooted on. There is probably more I don't know about. Voids your warranty and you can't even switch around to find what radio works best for you. Unlocked my a$$!!
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Oh hi mr. troll. I see you failed to check how their unlocker works. It supports all HTC phones, but I would avoid using it since they record the results and probably note that you were rooted if you have a warranty issue.
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How come when you go to htcdev.com no verizon phones are listed for unlocking bootloader including the thunderbolt? I wouldn't use the site anyways but trust me when I say no verizon phone will appear on that site, carriers own manufacturers and verizon hates unlocked/rooted/modified phones on their network!
Also thanks for the troll comment in flattered!
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mark my words no verizon device will show up on the dev site for unlocking
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I've been saying that since day one when HTC announced these "plans". I think Verizon has enough "pull" with HTC to make sure none of 'their' phones will be supported.
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Oh hi mr. troll. I see you failed to check how their unlocker works. It supports all HTC phones, but I would avoid using it since they record the results and probably note that you were rooted if you have a warranty issue.
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Glad to see you can read.... From HTC's website for this, they clearly state
You asked for it, we delivered. Use this tool to install custom firmware on selected HTC Android devices.
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I bolded and italicized the important parts since you missed them the first time.
Further, from their FAQ on this subject:
Will all HTC devices be unlocked?
HTC is committed to assisting customers in unlocking bootloaders for HTC devices. However, certain models may not be unlockable due to operator restrictions.
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Droid Life
droid_life Droid Life
HTC bootloader unlock support is in the latest RUU I have for Thunderbolt.
That was RT'd by @droidlife, originally tweeted by @teamandirc
Ya, wouldnt let me paste in the @ and all because of my low post count so i just pasted in the important part
New ruu eh? Any change log that we know of? Candidate release leak?
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Who cares? We already have the Bolt's bootloader unlocked. HTC will not be just unlocking the bootloaders, they will be providing a tool you can use to unlock it yourself, with the catch of voiding your warranty.
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were already unlocked so we do not need this. besides im thinking soon verizon/htc will abandon the tbolt.
Pretty sweet but I'm thinking Verizon wouldn't be happy about it.... Forget Verizon lol
Break down and use ADB
I feel like in the future the hackers won't have to do the long drawn out ADB process to unlock phones, but we will never stop having to use ADB for somethings. Do it the long way so you know how to use it. I am glad I did it the long way and it was easy to follow.
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I feel like in the future the hackers won't have to do the long drawn out ADB process to unlock phones, but we will never stop having to use ADB for somethings. Do it the long way so you know how to use it. I am glad I did it the long way and it was easy to follow.
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Hopefully the devs (and I'm positive they will) will keep creating a way to root and unlock without this tool, that way we can keep our warranties, but this will be good for all the people looking for an auto root method.
Yea true, I will keep unlocking my phone with ADB from this day on.
eraursls1984 said:
Hopefully the devs (and I'm positive they will) will keep creating a way to root and unlock without this tool, that way we can keep our warranties, but this will be good for all the people looking for an auto root method.
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This is a prewarning for anyone still nieve enough to accept an ota before its been torn down and examined. The One X, brother device(EVO 4g LTE) recently received an ota that SIGNIFICANTLY improved security on the device. Changes included a new hboot(as seen in the new hox ruu leaked) along with other patches, any EVO that was not previously s OFF can no longer use the s OFF exploit, lazypanda. On top of that, EVO and hox were both able to flash radios and kernals with the unlocked bootloader. The EVO, s on with unlocked bootloader can NO LONGER flash radios or kernals. Recoveries only. I am posting this to make the community aware that this update WILL most likely implement the same security changes that were put on EVO LTE owners.
If you accept the ota, you will likely:
Lose ability to flash kernals, and radios
Lose ability to use a s OFF exploit if it becomes available on the current(non updated) hboot.
Do thank the person bringing the ruu leak to xda for developers to examine and warning us of the soon to come ota. If it weren't for him, it would just show on our devices and a good percentage would accept, clogging our forums with help me threads. Check out the ruu leak thread to thank.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29049875
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
...........My EVO Ways..........
(You can S-Off for all I care)
Needs a sticky!
Good job bro!
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I'm sure this has nothing to do with all the clowns who bricked their phones and then played dumb and exchanged them.
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I'm sure this has nothing to do with all the clowns who bricked their phones and then played dumb and exchanged them.
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It's those same "clowns" who find ways for you to flash ROMs. Please have a little more respect.
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If you accept the ota, you will likely:
Lose ability to flash kernals,
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I'm assuming you mean just through recovery. I'm sure you will still be able to flash the boot image(kernel) through fastboot. Just wanted to clarify this and not make everyone think you wouldn't be able to flash kernels at all.
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I'm sure this has nothing to do with all the clowns who bricked their phones and then played dumb and exchanged them.
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lemme guess.. those exchanges are why phones are getting more expensive too right?
Haha.. those phones just get reflashed and sold as "refurbished" so knock it off OK.. seriously it's just annoying misinformation.
Phones get bricked sometimes.. the giant corporations will be fine.
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SoberGuy said:
It's those same "clowns" who find ways for you to flash ROMs. Please have a little more respect.
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Haha.. those phones just get reflashed and sold as "refurbished" so knock it off OK.. seriously it's just annoying misinformation.
Phones get bricked sometimes.. the giant corporations will be fine.
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Not talking about devs, who contribute something to the overall environment (I would never refer to devs as "clowns"). I'm talking about the people who start fooling around with their phones without knowing what they're doing, brick them, then post things like "Will AT&T know what I did if I return this for a warranty replacement?"
And, whether the carriers can afford it (they can) isn't the point. It's that these folks motivate the carriers to make their phones ever more locked down in order to avoid having to deal with these bogus exchanges.
Wait, you got that wrong, reason we are getting more bricked phones is because the security on this device is NEW. Can't figure it out if you don't try, trying consists of trial and error. Well you know the sweetest of the story....
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For every guy that takes a risk and flashes something that might achieve s off, 10 people have returned their phone because the email doesn't work, or the screen is too yellow, or its too quiet.. or loud. Do you see what I'm sayin?
Normal people don't root.. they just complain. So HTC locking down the phone more isn't preventative measures for tech support or return rates... Its just HTC being sloppy. Next it'll be that source is being delayed because they don't want people to brick their phones lol
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Thanks, good looking out. Some people will heed your warnings, others wont. I'm afraid this would be a little harder to overcome than the 1.85 fiasco when everyone updated before there was a root exploit. If HTC is playing with the security like this then that is a little scary to me. Damn i wish i had a little birdy at HTC. Maybe samsung is the future for rooted devices. Maybe google will open Motorola up. HTC is goin backwards
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Thanks, good looking out. Some people will heed your warnings, others wont. I'm afraid this would be a little harder to overcome than the 1.85 fiasco when everyone updated before there was a root exploit. If HTC is playing with the security like this then that is a little scary to me. Damn i wish i had a little birdy at HTC. Maybe samsung is the future for rooted devices. Maybe google will open Motorola up. HTC is goin backwards
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Yeah, it's definitely a concern to me. I wish they would understand and just make it easy to do. The unlock site.could have an optional S-off to go with it. I would think it would be pretty easy for these guys to design a device to be very dev friendly, and also easy to recover if/when things go bad.
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xiambax said:
No problems guys. I got my S3 today so I haven't been testing the new RUU very much as I installed it sometime last night.
I'm torn on which phone I want to keep. Does someone really need two 700 Dollar phones?
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Yup I do. Please mail the one you won't use to me ^_^
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Post in the marketplace.
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As far as I've seen, one xl's are going for between 450 and 550.
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PurpleFries said:
As far as I've seen, one xl's are going for between 450 and 550.
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serious? ive seen xls go for 350 on the marketplace.
PurpleFries said:
As far as I've seen, one xl's are going for between 450 and 550.
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Lol yeah, brand new
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Jeez phones nowadays cost so dang much. Moor than my laptop or the new iPad lol
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I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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tylerjholmgren said:
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. You can constantly update ROMs and never be done so why doesn't somebody just finish something for once and get us s-off. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a difference instead of continually adding changes to your ROMs from cm. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm sick of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi.
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Wow, show some respect to the developers. They are not you lackies, and just because they make roms doesn't mean they can magically create S-Off. Oh, and just because they don't publish a progress report doesn't mean that there are not devs working on it.
I'm sorry I went too far there And I deserved it but a progress update would be nice don't you wanna know where were at?
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Vain III said:
Wow, show some respect to the developers. They are not you lackies, and just because they make roms doesn't mean they can magically create S-Off. Oh, and just because they don't publish a progress report doesn't mean that there are not devs working on it.
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You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.
We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.
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We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.
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What I was saying was if some of our dev's took time off making ROMs they might be able to get us s-off. Go look at one x forums and it'll make you a little mad....
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You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.
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That forum was crazy...
And there's a HUGE difference between a rom developer and someone who could actually get S-off on a device. Not many people can do it.
Technically, ROM makers are considered "chefs" and being a developer is actually more work isn't it?
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We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.
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There were even less developers on the Amaze yet they achieved it.. took a while, but it happened. I remember checking the bounty thread like everyday lol. Same exact thing for the mytouch 3g slide, there were even less than the amaze back in the day. they achieved it too though
This kind of talk is so depressing for people like me who were on the fence about getting this device lol. When I had the offer to get the HTC One S I first looked in these forums and seen a lot going on, so I thought it was well supported but it wasn't til after i got it that I dug a little deeper to find out things like this. And now here I am stuck with the higher hboot. Very depressing but hey, it's still one of the best phones out. It just seems it is gonna turn into an EOL device. Pretty soon everyone we'll say to hell with it and go to a nexus only attitude!
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You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.
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LOL RIGHT!
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There were even less developers on the Amaze yet they achieved it.. took a while, but it happened. I remember checking the bounty thread like everyday lol. Same exact thing for the mytouch 3g slide, there were even less than the amaze back in the day. they achieved it too though
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True, even though by the time they got S-off I sold my Amaze for the One S. I feel like their was more motivation for S-off in the Amaze their was more talk. We don't even have a sticky discussion thread like the Amaze did.
Don't complain and be happy that we are at least able to flash boot.img. Look at AT&T One X forums. They are not even able to unlock their bootloaders with the latest hboot.
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I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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If you don't understand the difference between a Rom developer and a team of people that can break the security created by large multi-national corporations maybe you don't have a right to complain?
Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed. The only real reason that you would want to do it now is to not unlock the bootloader through HTC dev and we already know the method to avoid that anyways.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
Super cid
And most phones can SIM unlock also
What exactly are you hoping S-off will achieve?
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LOL RIGHT!
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True, even though by the time they got S-off I sold my Amaze for the One S. I feel like their was more motivation for S-off in the Amaze their was more talk. We don't even have a sticky discussion thread like the Amaze did.
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I stayed a while after they achieved S-OFF, then I sold the phone for a nokia n9 and then traded that for the iphone 4 then traded that for this phone hahah
yeah, they sure did have motivation, I guess people are getting sick and tired of achieving something that we shouldn't have to achieve. almost every other manufacture allows their bootloader to be unlocked, etc. HTC is going to have to make more changes if they want to succeed in this market.
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Z2cOGHC8Q&feature=g-all-u @2:20 my point
dc211 said:
If you don't understand the difference between a Rom developer and a team of people that can break the security created by large multi-national corporations maybe you don't have a right to complain?
Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed. The only real reason that you would want to do it now is to not unlock the bootloader through HTC dev and we already know the method to avoid that anyways.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
Super cid
And most phones can SIM unlock also
What exactly are you hoping S-off will achieve?
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Yeah but the time it took to get to this point distracts dev's from even considering purchasing this phone. DOA
dc211 said:
Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
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..Change recoveries.
We do have a big difference between the 'old' and 'new' hboots, tho.
The older ones can flash pretty much anything from normal recovery. The newer hboots are way more restricted. Even if we can't get permanent s-off, it would be very nice if we got the means to downgrade hboot to 1.06 or 1.09.
-Jobo
tylerjholmgren said:
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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Great idea! Let us know when you get us s - off...
One, as previously stated that is a serious pain especially when there's no good place to start. It's completely different than making roms. Next I had the amaze long after they achieved s-off which people threw hundreds of dollars and hours into... Guess how much changed because of it? Nothing really changed. And so here you are asking devs who already take tons of their free time to do this for free. And you're asking them to go out of their way to do more so you can save 60 seconds when you are flashing a rom. This sounds incredibly lazy and selfish. It's not that hard to go to fastboot and flash a kernel. If you want s-off you should have at least made a better argument than that you're lazy...
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lorddart said:
Great idea! Let us know when you get us s - off...
One, as previously stated that is a serious pain especially when there's no good place to start. It's completely different than making roms. Next I had the amaze long after they achieved s-off which people threw hundreds of dollars and hours into... Guess how much changed because of it? Nothing really changed. And so here you are asking devs who already take tons of their free time to do this for free. And you're asking them to go out of their way to do more so you can save 60 seconds when you are flashing a rom. This sounds incredibly lazy and selfish. It's not that hard to go to fastboot and flash a kernel. If you want s-off you should have at least made a better argument than that you're lazy...
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Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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tylerjholmgren said:
Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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I too am in this thread to get something to change. I want people who work almost full time and go to college full time to stop what they are currently working on and start working on S-OFF. Seems like a dumb request huh? That's what you're asking the dev to do......
tylerjholmgren said:
Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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I get ya, but it really came across as, it's a pain to boot to fastboot to flash a kernel. Which sounds incredibly lazy. Because it doesn't take long at all. I probably came across harsh I get that. But at least if you're asking devs to do something for you at least offer something, some help, suggestions, time, donations, something. I don't think it's good practice to come in asking devs who are busy and already do all this without asking anything in return to cater to just your needs. When you are not offering anything in return and even donations are to show appreciation. Most devs do have a life and as stated above me, are busy as hell too. So remember before asking this that you wouldn't have anything to complain about if the devs weren't already sacrificing their time, because you'd have no roms to flash to even be concerned with changing kernels.
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I mean I myself will wait until the last day to return it, and hope the bootloader issue has been solved. But what a shame, this device is nice. To hear the htc one already has cm10 is kinda of disappointing. So the question I ask what device will you get instead? Is it even worth it to get the international gs4 version?
I'm sticking with the GS4. I can live with the Disable option for now.
Also, I'm coming from a GSM Galaxy Nexus, so I'm already familiar with Samsung's hardware.
I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
raqball said:
I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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I'm sure it will be unlocked, its just a matter of time. Some people don't wait to wait for that time. The HTC One will most likely have a better CM10.1 experience because of the devs that have been working on it.
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I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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Trust me I do, but at the same time samsung needs to be sent a message on this. What a better way than to return their locked device. There are alot of unhappy campers here.
joshuadjohnson22 said:
I'm sure it will be unlocked, its just a matter of time. Some people don't wait to wait for that time. The HTC One will most likely have a better CM10.1 experience because of the devs that have been working on it.
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Time does not always mean a better ROM. Different developers pump out different stuff and once the bootloader is unlocked, the excitement will steamroll over to the GS4 development side. Guaranteed the GS4 has better custom roms at the end of the year :fingers-crossed:
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I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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If you have faith in what our awesome developers say, you should be as skeptical as they are about getting the bootloader unlocked. djrbliss tweeted yesterday that he doesn't think the bootloader can be cracked without a leak from Samsung. A few days ago, Entropy pointed out that since the S3, Samsung devices have gotten harder to crack, and they seem to be learning from their past mistakes and stepping up their bootloader security.
Still, AdamOutler is working on getting it unlocked, which is encouraging.
My point is, people shouldn't get their hopes up. If the bootloader is cracked(and I sincerely hope it happens), then great. But if it isn't, and you can't live without custom roms, then the AT&T S4 isn't the phone for you.
Thermalwolf said:
Time does not always mean a better ROM. Different developers pump out different stuff and once the bootloader is unlocked, the excitement will steamroll over to the GS4 development side. Guaranteed the GS4 has better custom roms at the end of the year :fingers-crossed:
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It will all depend It is way to early to say which one will have better devs and roms but I do know a lot of good devs have picked up the HTC One and that mixed with the international version having the same hardware as AT&T will be HUGE! I think the big question will be with the HTC One camera on a CM build. if they can't get the drivers for the camera it may just be a 4 MP? Who knows. But Mr. Cyanogen himself has the One and other great devs. I hope for a quick unlock
mattdm said:
If you have faith in what our awesome developers say, you should be as skeptical as they are about getting the bootloader unlocked. djrbliss tweeted yesterday that he doesn't think the bootloader can be cracked without a leak from Samsung. A few days ago, Entropy pointed out that since the S3, Samsung devices have gotten harder to crack, and they seem to be learning from their past mistakes and stepping up their bootloader security.
Still, AdamOutler is working on getting it unlocked, which is encouraging.
My point is, people shouldn't get their hopes up. If the bootloader is cracked(and I sincerely hope it happens), then great. But if it isn't, and you can't live without custom roms, then the AT&T S4 isn't the phone for you.
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Cool! Thanks for the informative post..
I am not really following any of this as I don't have any interest in custom ROM's.
I have not even rooted yet but may do so once we have a way to restore back to factory. I'm pretty simple these days (I was a chronic flasher in years past) but now I only consider root if I want to use Titanium and AdFree..
I know a lot of users want custom ROM's though so hopefully the bootloader can and will be cracked.
joshuadjohnson22 said:
It will all depend It is way to early to say which one will have better devs and roms but I do know a lot of good devs have picked up the HTC One and that mixed with the international version having the same hardware as AT&T will be HUGE! I think the big question will be with the HTC One camera on a CM build. if they can't get the drivers for the camera it may just be a 4 MP? Who knows. But Mr. Cyanogen himself has the One and other great devs. I hope for a quick unlock
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Cyanongen ...has both the One and S4 " https://plus.google.com/100275307499530023476/posts/eGmW8e8sCn4 "
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wttisme said:
Personally right now I'm fine with a root and de-bloating. I do know it's possible to remove the root and return to stock if you need or want to return the phone because I had to. I just deleted the SU binary along with Busybox from system/xbin and the phone status went back to custom and lock on boot went away.
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Yeah I am ok with that to but man the UI is so ugly... I hope to see some changes lol
As for the bootloader, the biggest problem is the number of potential developers. I'm not buying the device (full price) and a jtag just to test. And the fact that they're using an open source system is not encouraging..But let's see what happens! It does reaffirm my distain for ATT though.
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Is this bootloader directly tied to the ability to Overclock? That is the only thing I care about. I find the stock rooted rom to be best on my s3 and my current s4. Just want some OC lol
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Borii said:
Is this bootloader directly tied to the ability to Overclock? That is the only thing I care about. I find the stock rooted rom to be best on my s3 and my current s4. Just want some OC lol
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Yes... No way to OC without a custom kernel or recovery to flash said kernel.
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SysAdmNj said:
Trust me I do, but at the same time samsung needs to be sent a message on this. What a better way than to return their locked device. There are alot of unhappy campers here.
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Yeah... a few thousand units being returned will surely make samsung cry when they're counting how many millions they've sold
cl_l said:
Yeah... a few thousand units being returned will surely make samsung cry when they're counting how many millions they've sold
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They may not notice but at&t sure will
SysAdmNj said:
They may not notice but at&t sure will
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No, AT&T will not notice. They don't make their money from device sales; they make their money from monthly bills. So, all those who returned their S4's for One's and didn't switch to a different carrier won't even get AT&T's attention.
Personally I'm just going to wait for the bootloader to be unlocked before I buy one, if it turns out that the bootloader is not unlockable I'll just buy a GS3.
mattdm said:
No, AT&T will not notice. They don't make their money from device sales; they make their money from monthly bills. So, all those who returned their S4's for One's and didn't switch to a different carrier won't even get AT&T's attention.
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Thanks for the info but you have not changed my mind on the matter. I'll wait as long as I can.