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I'm looking to buy a new phone, and I'm going to try the Android road once again. My main problem with Android phones has been usability, mostly small glitches, lag, unresponsiveness and other various bugs that annoy me when all I want to do is a complete a simple task. The problem with my current HTC wildfire is that I'm simply sick to death about mostly lag and interface issues, and I'm running a pretty average stock ROM, I forget which one since I kinda stuck with one that I was somewhat happy with and gave up with reflashing.
I've tried plenty of other ROMS and they all tend to be the same in one way or another when it comes to issues like this. I've even got it overclocked to 710mhz, and still facing crappy issues, and pretty big drain in the battery. I just really feel I shouldn't have to go through all of that to get decent usability.
Hell I think the Branded stock HTC ROM out preformed most of the cooked ones, my only problem with it was that was branded everywhere with useless shortcuts and icons.
So I'm looking for something fairly high end, with a physical qwerty keyboard, a 3.5mm jack, and overall simply put, good performance for general use and the odd emulator here and there. I was thinking the HTC desire Z, but since it's going at about $300-$350 I think it might be another mistake, my Wildfire was about that much and after a few months it was a regretful buy.
I really don't want to buy another phone that will let me down, my last three phones were a HTC Touch Diamond which cost a fortune, a Nokia E63 (Because I was that stick of the touch diamond), and my current HTC Wildfire, the E63 was probably the best buy out of all of them, and it was the cheapest.
So please guys, help me find a decent phone, I really don't want to have to fork out the ridiculous amount of money for an iPhone 4 or go back to the E series Nokia phones.
I know it seems a little lazy for me to be asking a forum such a question, this is something I usually research and review, but that has failed me which is why I really want some advice from users themselves, ones that have possibly suffered from the same sort of issues. Reviews are one thing, but daily long term users are another. I remember thinking the Wildfire was good from the reviews, little did I know.
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Kind of late for the sgs 2 but I still recommend it. I have not experienced any lag, and I will proudly say it is the most fluid and smooth phone android has to offer. It has software which is unmatched in terms of efficiency and maintainability and security. Moreover it is more or less equal to sense in terms of functionality.
That's sort of in the right track, but as mentioned, I'm looking for something with a physical QWERY keyboard.
I'm thinking maybe the Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro, anyone got any kind of negative feedback on that?
If you want a qwerty keyboard, you can have a look at the HTC Desire Z. They are available in The Netherlands here for 319,- euros. I don't know if they are sold in your area though...
How do you like HTC Chacha?
qwerty, android and low price are included
I have the Desire Z and i love my phone its really great, and for me the keyboard was the main reason to buy the phone and after one year with the phone i can certainly say that the phone has much more then the keyboard and u can find many roms for it here in xda...
BUT i want also mention that the phone is nowaday i little bit outdated, with its 800mhz single core prossesor(ok u can takt it up to 2ghz,so its for me never a problem of speed with 1-1,3ghz and the right rom u have more then enough speed,dats my personal few),
The BIG MINUS for me are the 512Mb ram,which u will get to know sometimes when u are useing bigger roms (like sense 3.0,for sure there are ways to "extend RAM" and super roms like the Virtous Unity where almost everything works smooth), but these 512mb ram and the Android together making it sometimes difficult for me, it causes lags and all,(today i have cm7 on it and still now no probs, only the market app is bit slow but that has nothing to do with the phone i think)
....to be honest i never really saw an android headset without any small lag...
and as Kailkti above said, (even if i am not a big samsung and his plastic phone fan) i would also say buy the the SGS2 its really very fast and almost lag and problem free ...as i know....
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I have the Desire Z and i love my phone its really great, and for me the keyboard was the main reason to buy the phone and after one year with the phone i can certainly say that the phone has much more then the keyboard and u can find many roms for it here iin xda...
BUT i want also mention that the phone is nowaday i little bit outdated, with its 800mhz single core prossesor(ok u can takt it up to 2ghz,so its for me never a problem of speed with 1-1,3ghz and the right rom u have more then enough speed,dats my personal few),
The BIG MINUS for me are the 512Mb ram,which u will get to know sometimes when u are useing bigger roms (like sense 3.0,for sure there are ways to "extend RAM" and super roms like the Virtous Unity where almost everything works smooth), but these 512mb ram and the Android together making it sometimes difficult for me, it causes lags and all,(today i have cm7 on it and still now no probs, only the market app is bit slow but that has nothing to do with the phone i think)
....to be honest i never really saw an android headset without any small leg...
and as Kailkti above said, (even if i am not a big samsung and his plastic phone fan) i would also say buy the the SGS2 its really very fast and almost lag and problem free ...as i know....but I am unexperienced compared to many devs here....
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Wow Manuel, I'd just like to say thanks, I really appreciate the time you took into giving me details and your personal experience with the phone!
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Wow Manuel, I'd just like to say thanks, I really appreciate the time you took into giving me details and your personal experience with the phone!
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You are Welcome ...as said i love my desire Z and i saw dat u are thinking about buying... so i wanted to tell u that the phone is great but has also his minus... and u should know and think about what u want and need...every phone has his + and - ...as i bought my phone i had the choice between the desire z and the galaxy S and i took the desire z and I am happy about it...i wanted a phone with qwertz keyboard, because i am writing much and i dont like TS writing and now there are many other better much more powerfull devices, but only less alternatives to the desire z...( for me personally there i no alternative because i like sense very much an there is no other device with qwertz keyboard from htc, ok the Salsa but thats an other league)...
.)so u have to decide if u want power and lag/bugless phone then galaxyS2 is ...
.)physical keyboard and a middle class phonewith good manufacturing, wich is not lagfree desire z
.)or u should look at motorola(but dont know how the phones really are, only read about one,..two days or so ago... with dulcore and keyboard and all)
so wish u all a nice day ;D
Galaxy Nexus ALL THE WAY!!!!!!! Reasons:
1) Will be smoothest and most stable
2) Will have dev support from google for a LONG TIME
3) Due to dev support, wont be obsolete for a LONG TIME
4) Runs pure android
Personal Experience:
I own a nexus one. I am running gingerbread with little to no lag most of the time. This phone is two years old and I still get OTA updates. I am planning on getting a galaxy nexus. Even though its 2 years old, I still love it, wouldnt trade it for an iphone ever.
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Galaxy nexus runs PURE STOCK, making it much more stable and much less laggy. Almost no reason to spend time rooting and flashing ROMS if you into that. Also, with a 1.2 ghz dual core processor, there's not much room for lag. Last point, ICS was designed to be more stable and smooth than any other android build EVER, so if you want the smoothest android phone possible, the galaxy nexus is the way to go.
Extra Goodies:
First phone to run ICS. Once again, ICS was designed for this phone!!!!!! Get all the goodies from ICS. The highest resolution android screen EVER and its 4.65" Super AMOLED. And LTE and HSPA+ support. So if you are on verizon, sprint, tmobile, or att you can get it.
google.com/nexus
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Galaxy Nexus ALL THE WAY!!!!!!! Reasons:
1) Will be smoothest and most stable
2) Will have dev support from google for a LONG TIME
3) Due to dev support, wont be obsolete for a LONG TIME
4) Runs pure android
Personal Experience:
I own a nexus one. I am running gingerbread with little to no lag most of the time. This phone is two years old and I still get OTA updates. I am planning on getting a galaxy nexus. Even though its 2 years old, I still love it, wouldnt trade it for an iphone ever.
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Galaxy nexus runs PURE STOCK, making it much more stable and much less laggy. Almost no reason to spend time rooting and flashing ROMS if you into that. Also, with a 1.2 ghz dual core processor, there's not much room for lag. Last point, ICS was designed to be more stable and smooth than any other android build EVER, so if you want the smoothest android phone possible, the galaxy nexus is the way to go.
Extra Goodies:
First phone to run ICS. Once again, ICS was designed for this phone!!!!!! Get all the goodies from ICS. The highest resolution android screen EVER and its 4.65" Super AMOLED. And LTE and HSPA+ support. So if you are on verizon, sprint, tmobile, or att you can get it.
google.com/nexus
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Thanks for the detailed response Matt, but unfortunately like I mentioned I want a physical QWERTY keyboard, it's a must.
Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro has a qwerty. The new xperia models are really great once the bloatware is gone and you get a new launcher. I have the Play, and it's gone way above my expectations for a single core model.
Having a perfected single core is better than a still-developing dual.
Edit: didn't see the part where you mention that model. Derp.
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Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro has a qwerty. The new xperia models are really great once the bloatware is gone and you get a new launcher. I have the Play, and it's gone way above my expectations for a single core model.
Having a perfected single core is better than a still-developing dual.
Edit: didn't see the part where you mention that model. Derp.
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Thanks mate, also a helpful answer. I think I might choose the Xperia Pro after all, it's got a slightly faster processor than the Desire Z, and I've been extremely happy with Sony Ericsson phones in the past (w850i, **** yeah). I was likely going to remove Timescape anyway, I'll give it a whirl for a few days, but I think I'll prefer another launcher in the end.
I'm using go launcher ex. The customizations and ability to backup settings is great. Whenever I flash a ROM, I just restore the backup and the custom stuff is already done.
I tried the Desire Z when picking out phones. The landscape mode only worked when the qwerty was open, and the screen didn't seem very sharp.. I'm glad I waited an extra few months to get my phone because I would have been stuck with a Samsung, and missed out on the xperia play gamepad. The xplay literally popped out of nowhere in my country. I had no idea it was coming out beforehand.
My advice: look around mobile blog/review sites for previews/announces of upcoming models. You never know, a couple months from now something better suited to you might be released.
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Buyer of the blaze here, after i turned in my Amaze 4g due to battery problems (even with a custom rom, it was literally dead after 5pm, with nothing but heavy talking and minor web use), i honestly love this phone. It's snappier, has an AMAZING battery for a smartphone, and basically easier to hold in my hand.
The question i do have, though, is why isn't this phone getting any development compared to similar phones like the S2 and the blaze? like the others, its pretty futureproof, and as fast, if not faster than them. Does it have a locked bootloader? Did samsung do something to make it hard to root? Does the recovery not work? seriously whats up with this lack of dev support?
Basically i just want an ICS rom to remove the damn bloatware and make the battery last even longer. I know samsung is coming out with ICS, but knowing their track record, it could take months before we get it, and even worse, contain the same bloat as it has now.
tl;dr why are there no roms or devs working on this phone?
No Samsung phone comes with a locked bootloader, and root has already been achieved. This phone is considered mid range even though it's a baby sgs2 that's why I think most devs aren't knocking at our door because there are higher end phones out now and in a couple weeks. We should be seeing ports or something. The phone is relatively still new as well.
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Here's a thought, maybe because they aren't paid to?
I gotta say, the android community clashing with the traditional linux OSS community is an interesting thing to watch. In the linux world you wouldn't see so much sense of entitlement as you see with android devices. I guess that's because with a linux install, the community is still more full of tech minded people than it is of novices. With android, it's been thrust into the hands of the unsuspecting consumers.
The sad fact is that this is a being treated like a middle-of-the-road phone. Devs do like their sexy and sadly this device isn't as sexy as a SGS2 or the upcoming SGS3. Therefore interest is low. With the multitude of phones growing at such a rapid pace, there isn't enough talent out there to cover them all. If you want rom development, you gotta go for the phones the developers will want. And you also shouldn't buy something that has just come out.
From a tech side, even though this seems to have the specs of an SGS2, it seems internally to be wildly different from an SGS2. It is named in the SGS family and it'd not similar to anything there either. It's all ext4 (fairly different).
I've been working on this phone in my spare time trying to get a build that would run. I am not a programmer but thought that my skills were enough to hobble together a working CM7 device profile. I thought I could look at similar devices and come up with a working hybrid of other devices. Here's the thing.... there don't really seem to be any (or many) other msm8660 in the official repos. It's hard to find other devices that are similar to this one.
With ICS coming out for this phone at some point, I'm not even sure I want to spend that much time focusing on CM7 anymore since presumably we'll be able to get native drivers for the cameras at that point.
If you want to help, then offer to take up a collection to commission a dev's time or send someone a phone. It's difficult to do this process from a distance. I spent money on my own hardware and I'm deathly afraid of damaging my flash memory with constant flashes and what not.
dr4stic giving you a thanks just wasnt enough
dont forget man your always welcome in teh irc channel, may not know a whole lot but whatever i do know i happily share
oh and official no, but for the msm8660 you might wanna look here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1230
the evo 3d has that cpu and is gsm as well
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Yeah, I imagine that first line in my post is what did it too ;-)
Thanks so much dude for all you've done. I know I'm welcome. It's just that after my day job (and some of my night job), the last thing I wanna do is look at a computer. And I got told this week I've got a 90 day deadline to complete 2-3 of the biggest projects and migrations I've ever had to do for my work.
As for the evo 3d, I actually did look at it, as well as the skyrocket. There are just too many quirks. Plus I believe the msm8660 handles part of the camera interface and the Evo 3D has a very funky implementation in that space. It ended up just looking more confusing to me than helpful :-(
From the way things are looking, I'm REALLY starting to look forward more to doing this for ICS. I get the sense that I might have an easier time there. I do, however, plan to keep moving forward ;-)
(this post is a bit long, if you want to read it fast go directly to my questions.)
Hi everyone,
I'm about to buy a phone in order to kind of "fix" myself on a device since I have owned seven phones in the last six months.
I'm considering many devices by many constructors but I would like to have other people opinion about the one to choose.
I'll try to make it short:
To give an idea of my questions right now I will go fast over the experience I had with the main devices I onwed recently.
THE FOLLOWING IS AN UNINTERESTING PART FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS NO TIME TO LOOSE SO SKIP IT IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT A NOOB'S EXPERIENCE
Galaxy Nexus: fastboot is awesome, love the fact it is closer to Google but I was very disapointed when I learned that Samsung modifies even the Nexus's software, cm9 on it is as nice as fastboot. Screen drains to much battery and is not as beautiful as should be with such a high pixel density. Also suprisingly a bit laggy. Had to be sent to samsung it had a problem with the cpu...
Optimus 3D: the 3d is not a joke since it works but... Haven't had this device for long but I was unsatisfied with the stock rom (LG's main problem).
Motorolla Atrix: favorite device! Screen is as beautiful as GN on my opinion, with cm7 or 9 it becomes really nice on sftware too. Battery life is the best point of this device and the best I've had.
Optimus 2x: tried it for a few days, like the nvflash facility and the hardware capacity but only MIUI based on GB was a correct software for me, cm7's not too bad but cm9 is still very buggy.
Nexus S: for the hardware specs it is by far the best on software side, feels more solid than the gn. Battery is just average and speed is not really sufficient for my usage, expecially for switching apps on the stock ROM, cm9 or latest MIUI.
END OF THE UNINTERESTING PART (I hope)
So, here i am with experience from Samsung, Motorola and LG. Hardwarewise I have no problem with LG or Motorola but with Samsung it is less convincing.
Software, I would like to begin to develop for the next device I will get, I am an intermediate developper in Java and a decent Linux user. So it would be nice that the device has open drivers.
Here is my problem, I want to buy a device that I will keep for at least two years, I will try ArchlinuxARM and that kind of project with it.
My hesitation goes between the HTC Amaze 4G at 40$, the Galaxy Nexus at 50$ and the optimus 2x for free. I considered the sIII too but it will be 200$ and it is not worth it for me.
As I am not really confident with the durability of the GN, my mind is more with the Amaze for now but I only tried it in a store with, of course, the stock ROM. The 2x is like the less interesting option, I think.
>>> HERE ARE MY QUESTIONS! <<<
Am I right to think that the HTC Amaze 4G has tougher hardware?
Are the drivers open source or are they going to be soon? I read somewhere on the forum that people were asking HTC to release the sources, is it likely to happen?
What is the state of the ics based ROMs for the Amaze? Stable? Fluid? Comparated with cm9 nightlies on the GN?
Why the * is the Galaxy Nexus laggy?????????????? This device is supposed to be Google's flagship actually but, you know, it is just not as fluid as I think it should be.
The title of this topic is talking about philosophy, it is because I care about the constructor's philosophy. I mean, do you think that one of Samsung or LG or HTC is producing better hardware and/or is easier to fix at home? Do you think one of them is a bit less likely to produce with programmed obsolescence in mind?
Thank you for reading this loong post!
Thank you even more for giving me your opinion!
HTC will only be releasing the source for the kernel. All the other drivers for non Nexus phones are and always will be closed source. If you want to really develop with open source then your best bet is a Nexus.
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This is actually quite sad that big companies like that don't participate more into open source software. I understand easily why M$ doesn't but it is harder to understand why the hardware manufacturers don't help the community...
Oh wait I just understood! Other companies that have even worse ROMs than HTC would be able to use their ideas.
I still think that it will change someday in the future. It cant continue like this indefinitely while more and more people learn about thé existence of open source and how better it can be than closed source.
But now I thought I had made a decision and that messes my mind once again I know now that thé Nexus series is the only way to be fully open source but there still is the point of hardware durability and that is somehow mlre important since it stays easier to use and develop for a phone that works!
What about the amount of hardware defects on one and the other?
My GN was overheating a lot, does the Amaze has this problem too?
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dudes that wanna buy their first smartphone may not know which to choose & they are looking for. they may be afraid that they buy the wrong phone & regret, its a waste of money. i have an awful experience & would like to let the beginners know what they should know:
Processor/Chipset/CPU:
higher clockspeed & more number of cores means better performance. types of cores matters too. higher efficiency means better multitasking & better battery saving.
RAM:
low end smartphones run on 512mb RAM, better ones run on 768mb or 1gb.. there's some amount of RAM being use for the system to function, the rest is left for users to use.
Software:
(multitasking, android vs iOS coming soon)
Sony's features are OVERRATED
(coming soon)
*when u have no choice but to buy a low budget phone, its advisable to get it root & flash custom ROM & kernel, which u can find on XDA.
useful, but most of this is already common knowledge
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useful, but most of this is already common knowledge
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i agree but not many beginners who r new to the android world r aware of this, i used to be one of them
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Thanks. But don't forget dev support.
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Thanks excellent advice. I would also add, avoid phones with slider keyboards or moving parts in generally.
Thanks for the info
I never knew that Sony Bravia Engine could get your battery more drained...
this made me choose the sgs3
Interesting post. I'd agree that some of this is common knowledge (especially here on XDA) but there are some things in this post which simply aren't really true.
1. Higher cores/clock speeds lead to better performance - this is just wrong. The speed of a device depends on a variety of things, mainly software optimisation. A Snapdragon S4 Pro on GB still wouldn't give as nice a performance as a Tegra 3 on JB. In addition, the number of cores is definitely not completely representative of the power of a chipset. The two highest performing chipsets in devices currently being sold are (AFAIK) the Apple A6X in the iPad 4 and the Exynos in the Nexus 10. Both are dual core. I don't understand much about CPUs, but from what I've read the performance really depends on the architecture it's built on.
2. Low RAM = low performance - this isn't true, look at the iPhone 4S. It only had 512MB of RAM but performed well.
3. The iPhone is crap because of its hardware - far too many people on XDA hate the iPhone for the wrong reasons. The hardware of the iPhone is amongst the best available, and the A6 is probably the second best performing chip in phones after the S4 pro (well, from the phones which are currently available). The iPhone itself isn't crap, but iOS is. The price is also ridiculous, I hate the Apple mark-up.
4. Sony Bravia engine is crap - I don't know about this, but it's almost certainly entirely down to opinion. Many people including myself feel that AMOLED screens are oversaturated, and prefer SLCD.
5. 'thats almost all u need to know before u buy a smartphone' - WHOA, not even remotely close. What OS do you want? What are you going to use your phone for? Is your phone available on your carrier (more a question for Americans)? Are you currently already in any ecosystems (e.g. do you already have an Android phone)? How much storage do you need? Do you need a MicroSD slot? What screen size do you want? I could easily go on, but I'm sure you get the idea.
I know you made the post with good intentions, but there are too many things wrong with it to not point them out.
Yeah, higher clock speed =/= better and faster. You need to think about processor family/architecture and more - my advice would be to Google the phone/processor you're looking at and look at benchmarks for your intended use.
Quad is not necessarily and better than dual-core, either. Most programs do not take advantage of quad-core - if a person would benefit from it, they probably already know a decent amount about hardware and what they are looking for.
Some phones and users can get away with only 512Mb RAM. This part is going to really depend on budget. 1Gb is a good "standard", but it's not going to work for everyone.
If a person has a low budget, they should look at older, used, devices that used to be very popular - such as the Samsung Galaxy S2, the Galaxy Nexus, even the Nexus One depending on budget. That way, there is lots of custom development available, and they don't have to deal with a current budget device that not many people are going to care to develop anything for. The Nexus phones are always a good bet because Google should contintue developing for them until it's no longer possible for the harware.
Rooting doesn't give any performance gains unless you know what to do with root access. A ROM might be able to help, and might give updated features. However, this solution will mean the user is interested in learning about Android and how to do things like under or over-clock the CPU - very nit-picky little things. A person has to like that and should consider that when buying a phone.
Likewise, if a person is looking at knockoff phones, they might not even be able to get root access, will likely never get software updates, no support, and will get what they get - and maybe not even that.
If anyone really cares that much about looks, hopefully they're not on a budget. But are you really going to not have a case ? Getting a case or a skin can change how a phone looks, so I don't think it's a big deal.
I think battery being removable or not a huge concern especially if a person is on a limited budget - since if they are, it probably means they don't want to be upgrading all the time, and they are probably buying used. Buying used means you can buy other peoples' problems - like their lack of caring for a battery. Removable means you can just switch it out and you don't have to baby it.
MIcroSD cards can be important for people who want to have a lot of music or other media with them and not have to stream it. It's nice if your phone can put apps on it, too.
And MOAR.
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Interesting post. I'd agree that some of this is common knowledge (especially here on XDA) but there are some things in this post which simply aren't really true.
1. Higher cores/clock speeds lead to better performance - this is just wrong. The speed of a device depends on a variety of things, mainly software optimisation. A Snapdragon S4 Pro on GB still wouldn't give as nice a performance as a Tegra 3 on JB. In addition, the number of cores is definitely not completely representative of the power of a chipset. The two highest performing chipsets in devices currently being sold are (AFAIK) the Apple A6X in the iPad 4 and the Exynos in the Nexus 10. Both are dual core. I don't understand much about CPUs, but from what I've read the performance really depends on the architecture it's built on.
2. Low RAM = low performance - this isn't true, look at the iPhone 4S. It only had 512MB of RAM but performed well.
3. The iPhone is crap because of its hardware - far too many people on XDA hate the iPhone for the wrong reasons. The hardware of the iPhone is amongst the best available, and the A6 is probably the second best performing chip in phones after the S4 pro (well, from the phones which are currently available). The iPhone itself isn't crap, but iOS is. The price is also ridiculous, I hate the Apple mark-up.
4. Sony Bravia engine is crap - I don't know about this, but it's almost certainly entirely down to opinion. Many people including myself feel that AMOLED screens are oversaturated, and prefer SLCD.
5. 'thats almost all u need to know before u buy a smartphone' - WHOA, not even remotely close. What OS do you want? What are you going to use your phone for? Is your phone available on your carrier (more a question for Americans)? Are you currently already in any ecosystems (e.g. do you already have an Android phone)? How much storage do you need? Do you need a MicroSD slot? What screen size do you want? I could easily go on, but I'm sure you get the idea.
I know you made the post with good intentions, but there are too many things wrong with it to not point them out.
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oh i see, looks like there r much more to learn. thanks anyway for correcting my mistakes, i do believe most smartphones comes with miro sd card slot up to 32gb, so it wont be a problem. but really i experience this myself-------bravia engine works only in album viewing & video, but i dont see the differences though. erm i though 4S has 1gb ram? if its really 512mb, can it handle a game like gangstar rio? its hard for me to believe so......i get it on the last part, but im trying to make an advice as short as possible, what users want to use their phone for is totally up to them, im just here to pinpoint the important points that some beginners r unaware about.
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I never knew that Sony Bravia Engine could get your battery more drained...
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yes it will, just like glove mode, when activated will use more battery.
Thank !
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Please add: Avoid LG at all costs, they will just ruin your Android experience!
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Please add: Avoid LG at all costs, they will just ruin your Android experience!
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erm do u have any evidences to back up your statements?
Xperia J stinks,adreno 200 is 2010 hardware.This is not accurate.Before getting a phone,do some research on it's hardware,which can be found @ gsmarena.com.Then do some research on the hardware ,whether it is new and powerful,so on.Dont forget to find its flaws so that you won't get a phone and regret it.Lastly check whether it has good rom support on XDA itself.Not all phones have custom roms,and support,don't think you can buy a lousy phone and just flash a custom rom,thats not the idea of getting a custom rom
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erm do u have any evidences to back up your statements?
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Evidence? I have previously owned an LG Optimus ME that was god awful, 600mhz processor, FRO-effin'-YO, 190mb internal, 175mb ram, and they were sending passer-bys flyers about it like a frakin' flagship!
It was super laggy.
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Evidence? I have previously owned an LG Optimus ME that was god awful, 600mhz processor, FRO-effin'-YO, 190mb internal, 175mb ram, and they were sending passer-bys flyers about it like a frakin' flagship!
It was super laggy.
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but not all models from same manufactures are the same, samsungs have good phones but at the same time the ace series sucks
Rcoil73 said:
Xperia J stinks,adreno 200 is 2010 hardware.Its only armv6 processor,not even the basic armv7.Dont listen to this person's nonsense.Before getting a phone,do some research on it's hardware,which can be found @ gsmarena.com.Then do some research on the hardware ,whether it is new and powerful,so on.Dont forget to find its flaws so that you won't get a phone and regret it.Lastly check whether it has good rom support on XDA itself.Not all phones have custom roms,and support,don't think you can buy a lousy phone and just flash a custom rom,thats not the idea of getting a custom rom
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nonsense? thats why i stated that do some digging & research on it. i wonder did u read properly? we on earth r humans, not everybody knows everything & i learn from mistakes. u expect me to be a cyborg? u dont like to read things completely eh? being so sarcastic, did u read & understand the XDA rules? u can get banned. & a custom rom on a lousy phone MAY(i didn't say SURE WILL) be better than lousy phone on stock rom. i said J is good based on some things, it can support jelly bean, which sola & u definetely can't, yet under the same cpu frequency & ram. what u expect from a low budget phone anyway? a phone like J that can support jelly bean is considered awesome. j is even classified together with some better device instead of being together with sola, u & go in xda. at least j is worth rooting than sola & u like i stated previously. but i do agree of the hardware u mentioned. now, u can be kind enough to add some correct knowledge to help the beginners, or u can get lost somewhere if u dont like it here. its pretty easy.
Thank you !
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First off let me say that I love this phone. The build quality while not the best is good enough and the materials used come together very nicely. The Moto X also has all the features I am looking for (quick charge, nice screen, stereo front facing speakers, expandable storage and unlocked and rootable!).
So why am I depressed about it?
The phone seems to not be as popular as it deserves and with that it doesn't get the massive amounts of support of other inferior devices. After owning this phone since October I have tried my hardest to grow to love the stock firmware as it is so close to google's. However (I'm not sure how many of you will agree with me here), I am very fond of CM and seeing that the Moto G 2015 has been officially supported for what feels like forever now I'm not sure the Moto X will ever be.
I know there are dedicated individuals working hard to further development projects for this device and I am very grateful for that. It just feels like the community for this phone is very small which has caught me off guard because the device seemingly has everything most people could want.
Anyways, I'm not entirely sure why I wrote this but I'd like to hear your guys' thoughts and opinions.
I agree with you that I was assuming there would be way more support for this phone and I also though it would be easier to mess with as far as rooting and such. I'm no developer or self proclaimed rooting expert but it seems like if you are on android 6.0 stock it's not that easy to get rooted or downgrade to 5.x and root. I thought being unlocked and so near stock that this would all be a breeze but ever since I unrooted and upgraded to stock 6.0 rooting again is a pretty big undertaking. I'm not complaining here I do really like the stock OS but I love messing with the OS too. Here's to hoping some time in the near future there is a solid root option for stock 6.0
When I first seen the title I was like 'really'?/But as iv read further , there's one spot on point I agree with you on...
I expected the this phone to be one of the more popular, development wise, rom wise.
So when I first came to XDA and looked in the Moto X Pure section, WOW, I was sadly SADLY surprised.
3 CURRENT ROMS. are you joking me?
I told my self once the kernel source(or whatever) was released, THAT'S when things would change, that is when the list would grow..... IT HAS NOT THO....
THIS has been a let down. When I buy a phone, I want to be sure bec to me, its a hassle to do Re-Sale on EBay or Swappa or CL, Its just a hassle, I don't want to do it, Unless I absolutely have to. SO I'm sticking with the phone I buy most likely. So I'm sticking with it.
I could have spent 100 more to get the 6p, but at that time, everyone was talking DOWN the 6p, plus its a tad too big for me, I didn't want it then. Given the unpopularity in development this phone surprisingly is, it would be nice to have the 6p, but to me, going through the resale hassle, I think I'll pass.
Lastly, to the OP of this Post. I agree on one point, its very very surprising the unpopularity of the phone STILL. It's almost unexplainable.
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Ive been a long time lg and htc user prior to this.... Yes theres few roms but heres my take.... while lg g2 g3 g4 have lots of roms activities and users... Let me tell you how it works... First most of the ppl on there only complain about bugs and how they bricked their phones or complain of the hideous lg stock rom lag and interface... Then they flash bug filled. Aosp roms and complain about bugs and camera etc..... Wit moto x ppl dont have to be active in the forum bc first.. Stock rom is aosp... ....... Everything just works and feels great... And you can falsh optimized stock rom and ull have stability of stock roms+fluidness of aosp roms...(no need for users to stick around to complain... They jt flash they're rom and are of to enjoy it) You jt cant lose with this phone!!!! I appreciate the heck out of my fone and of mostly intelligent satisfied users!!!! Im my opinion this phone is second to only the nexus 6p right now.... And well the reason i have this is bc i got it for a measly 83$ on a amazing deal on ebay... Anyways. Thats alll... My opinion is complete
Edit.... Oh and ive nvr owned a phone with a signal quality even close to this one... Its baffling how much better it is then it was on my m8 or g3 or g4...
I came from the LG G4, what they did there is they got a well known Cyanogen Dev to agree to support that device if they helped him get it.
They got Codeworkx, (a great developer btw) and he jump started development right away squashing bugs left and right.
Maybe they can do that here? get a well known Developer to agree and see if they can get donations going for him.
I know things like this have gone down south before with devs not commiting and dropping/selling the device right away.
But there are good devs are there that are commited but just dont have funds to get devices.
Historically, the moto x line has never had much development. My own personal opinion is because there isn't much need: updates come fast, stock moto features are excellent, and performance tends to be very good and there is very little bloat. Other than the nexus line, where the devs have source code to work with, devices that come with good software tend to get less developer interest.
Obviously there are exceptions to this, just my observations after owning many phones over the years.
I just got the X for my dad and i believe its perfect for him (not so sure about the large display though), but he won't be messing around with ROMs and stuff.
However, I simply can't decide between this and the 5x for myself (6P is out of my budget). I love everything the X Style offers but I dread that I will soon get bored of the stock experience and crave for the bells and whistles that custom ROMs offer. The downside to flashing a ROM on the X is you lose out on Moto Display, Voice, Actions, and Assist--is that not the case? If I'm not mistaken, isn't Moto's implementation of these features significantly better than those found in CM?
I will echo what's been said and maybe add some points of my own. I love this phone I do, and maybe the fact that it has no issues is the issue but I also love seeing what else there is out there as far as rom's etc. I have yet to even root/unlock this phone because I almost see no major reason. I mean major, I know there's some xposed modules and whatnot but I used to love/hate trying out new roms just to see what they're like even with the bugs. I've moved on from the whole hack your phone scene but only because it seems to be less and less fun. Maybe the fact that the moto x pure is great as is, is the issue. No reason to really change anything. It's a good problem to have I guess.
roofrider said:
I just got the X for my dad and i believe its perfect for him (not so sure about the large display though), but he won't be messing around with ROMs and stuff.
However, I simply can't decide between this and the 5x for myself (6P is out of my budget). I love everything the X Style offers but I dread that I will soon get bored of the stock experience and crave for the bells and whistles that custom ROMs offer. The downside to flashing a ROM on the X is you lose out on Moto Display, Voice, Actions, and Assist--is that not the case? If I'm not mistaken, isn't Moto's implementation of these features significantly better than those found in CM?
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Moto's implementation is MUCH better than you'll find on any rom and/or xposed module. You will not find touchless display and moto voice that work well anywhere else. Also, you can get bells and whistles by installing gravitybox on stock-based roms. I've ran cm12.1/13 on my oneplus one for nearly a year and since switching to the moto x with gravitybox, I don't miss a thing.
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Ive been a long time lg and htc user prior to this.... Yes theres few roms but heres my take.... while lg g2 g3 g4 have lots of roms activities and users... Let me tell you how it works... First most of the ppl on there only complain about bugs and how they bricked their phones or complain of the hideous lg stock rom lag and interface... Then they flash bug filled. Aosp roms and complain about bugs and camera etc..... Wit moto x ppl dont have to be active in the forum bc first.. Stock rom is aosp... ....... Everything just works and feels great... And you can falsh optimized stock rom and ull have stability of stock roms+fluidness of aosp roms...(no need for users to stick around to complain... They jt flash they're rom and are of to enjoy it) You jt cant lose with this phone!!!! I appreciate the heck out of my fone and of mostly intelligent satisfied users!!!! Im my opinion this phone is second to only the nexus 6p right now.... And well the reason i have this is bc i got it for a measly 83$ on a amazing deal on ebay... Anyways. Thats alll... My opinion is complete[emoji14]
Edit.... Oh and ive nvr owned a phone with a signal quality even close to this one... Its baffling how much better it is then it was on my m8 or g3 or g4...
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Good points. I do wish we had a bit more variety rom wise tho.
Yeah 6p was just out my price range at the time, and also it wasnt as popular of a Choice at its launch as its been more recently.
For me specifically, I consume a lot of media, so speakers are a bit more important to me than some others, and was close to the most important feature I was looking for. I came from the htc M7, so when I heard the MXPE, I was not disappointed. As someone else said, this phone probably has the best speakers on a phone, even the 6p...... based on reviews and YouTube videos only.
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Theres not much to fix on this device, if and when CM gets official, you will see more rom in the dev section.
I love this phone that it doesnt get in my way and works just how I want it, heck I dont even keep tapatalk on my phone anymore since I never need to come here look for fixes or improvements
it is just 6months of release.. i think rom numbers and kernel numbers will improve over time...also the processor is almost new...there is very less work on msm8992...
also no vendor gives updates so fast.
LGs,HTCs,Samsungs take forever to update
emoney1219 said:
I agree with you that I was assuming there would be way more support for this phone and I also though it would be easier to mess with as far as rooting and such. I'm no developer or self proclaimed rooting expert but it seems like if you are on android 6.0 stock it's not that easy to get rooted or downgrade to 5.x and root. I thought being unlocked and so near stock that this would all be a breeze but ever since I unrooted and upgraded to stock 6.0 rooting again is a pretty big undertaking. I'm not complaining here I do really like the stock OS but I love messing with the OS too. Here's to hoping some time in the near future there is a solid root option for stock 6.0
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Unlock the bootloader, flash twrp through platform tools(adb-fastboot), flash chainfire supersu systemless root, it takes 10 min.
Yes, there are less ROMs compared to many other phones, but you must consider that most other phones don't come with a nearly pure Android experience. Those custom ROMs all try to focus on AOSP/CM builds that provide a pure Android experience along with extra features. This phone just doesn't need that as much.
Personally, I use to love flashing different ROMs to find the one that provides the best performance and feature set combination. This phone already has the performance, and Xposed and Layers provide all the features and custom look as desired. We also have a few solid kernels, too.
If you need a lot of ROMs, pick a phone that has a manufacturer-built version of Android that developers want to replace or a Nexus phone
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The stock ROM, rooted with Xposed and GravityBox can cover most of what a custom ROM can give you. And without the bugs.
Faint333 said:
First off let me say that I love this phone. The build quality while not the best is good enough and the materials used come together very nicely. The Moto X also has all the features I am looking for (quick charge, nice screen, stereo front facing speakers, expandable storage and unlocked and rootable!).
So why am I depressed about it?
The phone seems to not be as popular as it deserves and with that it doesn't get the massive amounts of support of other inferior devices. After owning this phone since October I have tried my hardest to grow to love the stock firmware as it is so close to google's. However (I'm not sure how many of you will agree with me here), I am very fond of CM and seeing that the Moto G 2015 has been officially supported for what feels like forever now I'm not sure the Moto X will ever be.
I know there are dedicated individuals working hard to further development projects for this device and I am very grateful for that. It just feels like the community for this phone is very small which has caught me off guard because the device seemingly has everything most people could want.
Anyways, I'm not entirely sure why I wrote this but I'd like to hear your guys' thoughts and opinions.
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It's not depressing if you have Xposed framework and VZW Unlimited Data. I may keep this phone for 1-2 years instead of upgrading every 6 months.
I agree, just got this phone the other day and i thought there'd be a lot of rom support, easy rooting, more mods, etc. Kind of a shame for a very good phone.
About the camera
My main complaint about this phone after owning a LG G4 and Galaxy S6 is the lack of the camera 2 API. Why after virtually bringing this feature on board of the Google Nexus 6 and claming that this phone have a comparable camera to last year's flagships, they take away something out, that us owners are more than capable of taking advantage. The camera is good, but could be better, and if they don't feel like doing it we should've been able to do something about it. Dumb move Motorola.
One problem with this phone is that it has to have qcoms multi Sim implementation. So you will not see (m)any AOSP based ROM's.
This because it is a lot of work to make multi Sim work. And yes the implementation of Qualcomm multi Sim is different then the aosp implementation.
You will only see CM based custom ROM's or stock based modifications. CM based ROM's because CM has a lot more resources to integrate this.
(I tried to get omnirom working, but ran into the multi Sim problem).
the design was good but i got tired of the lag and overheating, even on the s808 chip. went to the iphone 6s for 2 months then im back on droid but with a nexus 6p. best device ive had, no lag or overheating, great support. maybe the OP should consider buying it.
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JOSE89178 said:
I agree, just got this phone the other day and i thought there'd be a lot of rom support, easy rooting, more mods, etc. Kind of a shame for a very good phone.
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alot of it has to do with levono buying moto and the uncertain future of the moto line. plus the fact moto seems to drop support easily.