Not sure what's happening with my phone, but after removing the plug on my fully charged phone, I will let my phone sit idle for about 10 mins, when I go wake the screen, I see that I've already lost 3% of battery capacity.
The weird part is after this initial 3% is gone, my battery will drain normally. Does this mean I need to calibrate my battery? Is there anyway to do this without damaging it?
It means you need to get a new hobby... seriously, why do you care if it changes nothing what so ever. In order to fix this, you should try not checking your battery percentage every 2 minutes. On the upside, this will probably give you another half hour of battery life as well.(damn a change of attitude would fix like 90% of problems on this site)
On a more serious note, it's likely just because your phone doesn't keep charging when it hits full charge, it stops charging in order to not kill your battery, and lets it drain to like 90% at which point it will charge back up to 100%, so it may be at any point in between when you disconnect it. Even if it is truly at 100% when you disconnect the charger, the measurements may not be completely accurate when approaching 100%, so it is likely, that could make it drop faster at first. You need to do nothing in order to fix this, seriously don't mess with it.
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Not sure what's happening with my phone, but after removing the plug on my fully charged phone, I will let my phone sit idle for about 10 mins, when I go wake the screen, I see that I've already lost 3% of battery capacity.
The weird part is after this initial 3% is gone, my battery will drain normally. Does this mean I need to calibrate my battery? Is there anyway to do this without damaging it?
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Are you running stock or custom kernel and any custom ROM? Ive noticed this sometimes too but that's because the phone, when unplugged is running services to start phone on battery power versus the cord/wall charger. Check logcats to see what happens when phone unplugged to see what may be happening when phone starts on battery.
I think you are worrying about it a little too much. It could be searching for service (which drains a lot of battery), starting services as someone previously said, heat is horrible for a battery, anything. If the drain is normal after that who knows it could be the ROM you are on, battery percentage not being reported correctly.
Not worth an RMA by any means. Reset battery stats in recovery and see how that works out for you.
Bear in mind, these batteries are cell batteries, a user who plugs their phone in every time the battery hits 50%, is going to notice over a period of time the time it takes to go from 100% to 50% is shorter and shorter, and suddenly, 49%-0 holds a better charge. If you're constantly charging your phone, you'll wear those cells of your battery down. This is where the "hoax" of always letting your battery drain to 0% when you get it to "maximize" battery potential came from.
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This is not a guarantee of battery life extension or performance. These are merely steps (in most cases) to possibly help prolong and restore battery longevity.
First lets understand something about battery charging. The most common mistake is to overcharge a battery. While one is inclined to charge when they see the low battery message, overcharging is detrimental to the battery. This is not good for the life expectancy of your cell phone battery, especially if you are expecting longer life from your battery. Over charging heats the battery, and drains its life expectancy.
Second, it would appear that after flashing (ROM’s, Kernel’s etc.) multiple times, your battery might not hold a charge all that well. Trying these steps may help improve battery life.
> Turn the phone on. Plug in the charger (not the USB to computer) and charge completely> Disconnect the charger and turn off the phone> Once completely shut down, plug the charger back into the phone. Let the phone completely charge, while phone is off. In some cases the phone may give a tone when charged. You can check its status by touching the volume up or down> Once again unplug the phone from the charger> These next steps are curcial. 1.Turn the phone on (give it time to boot completely) 2. Power it off again. 3. Connect to the charger once again. 4. Let charge to full one more time. Unplug the phone!
In most cases, this procedure need only be done once. Remember turn off bluetooth, intranet and other applications when not in use. These accessories pu a tremendous drain on a cell phones battery life. This is why they should be turned off, when not in use.
The old battery recalibration trick?
tomween1 said:
This is not a guarantee of battery life extension or performance. These are merely steps (in most cases) to possibly help prolong and restore battery longevity.
First lets understand something about battery charging. The most common mistake is to overcharge a battery. While one is inclined to charge when they see the low battery message, overcharging is detrimental to the battery. This is not good for the life expectancy of your cell phone battery, especially if you are expecting longer life from your battery. Over charging heats the battery, and drains its life expectancy.
Second, it would appear that after flashing (ROM’s, Kernel’s etc.) multiple times, your battery might not hold a charge all that well. Trying these steps may help improve battery life.
> Turn the phone on. Plug in the charger (not the USB to computer) and charge completely> Disconnect the charger and turn off the phone> Once completely shut down, plug the charger back into the phone. Let the phone completely charge, while phone is off. In some cases the phone may give a tone when charged. You can check its status by touching the volume up or down> Once again unplug the phone from the charger> These next steps are curcial. 1.Turn the phone on (give it time to boot completely) 2. Power it off again. 3. Connect to the charger once again. 4. Let charge to full one more time. Unplug the phone!
In most cases, this procedure need only be done once. Remember turn off bluetooth, intranet and other applications when not in use. These accessories pu a tremendous drain on a cell phones battery life. This is why they should be turned off, when not in use.
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i feel like i do this every time i recharge my battery because every time i charge to 100% then turn it off and plug it in, it takes another 5 min to charge to 100 while its off. Literally, every time i bump charge it.
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The old battery recalibration trick?
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Mhmm, an explanation of the bump charge. Been written here before, but eh. Maybe someone lost theirs. I lost my txt file with the instructions a while back lol.
The way I see it these instructions only help to provide a more accurate battery count. Whether the battery is displaying correctly or not, juice in the battery is juice in the battery. Nothing more nothing less. This whole battery issue is ridiculous.
I think it'd be a good idea to remove the battery icon from the notification bar all together.
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Whether the battery is displaying correctly or not, juice in the battery is juice in the battery. Nothing more nothing less. This whole battery issue is ridiculous.
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No. Your phone has software in it to detect how much battery life is left for a variety of reasons; it turns more battery-intense functionality off at 5%, the camera for instance, and keeps enough battery power so that it can run its shutdown procedure, instead of just dying and losing whatever's in memory at the time.
You also don't want your phone thinking that 19% battery is 1% and turning off or telling you to charge it, as charging a battery that isn't fully discharged is a great way to lose long-term battery life. Additionally, how much would it suck if your phone software thought that 75% was 100% and stopped charging? You could then be leaving for the day with 3/4 of your battery, thinking it was full.
There are plenty of reasons to want this to be as accurate as possible. Unless you just don't give a crap if your phone is usable or not
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No. Your phone has software in it to detect how much battery life is left for a variety of reasons; it turns more battery-intense functionality off at 5%, the camera for instance, and keeps enough battery power so that it can run its shutdown procedure, instead of just dying and losing whatever's in memory at the time.
You also don't want your phone thinking that 19% battery is 1% and turning off or telling you to charge it, as charging a battery that isn't fully discharged is a great way to lose long-term battery life. Additionally, how much would it suck if your phone software thought that 75% was 100% and stopped charging? You could then be leaving for the day with 3/4 of your battery, thinking it was full.
There are plenty of reasons to want this to be as accurate as possible. Unless you just don't give a crap if your phone is usable or not
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The "software" won't ever be off by more than 10%.
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...as charging a battery that isn't fully discharged is a great way to lose long-term battery life.
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Not true with lithium ion batteries. They don't have charge memory.
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The "software" won't ever be off by more than 10%.
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I was having all kinds of issues with my battery draining too fast. I unplugged at 7:30AM and by 10:30AM it would be at 60%. I tried the bump charge and all that, but then I realized "It's the apps, stupid!" I started running a task killer after I unplugged it, and now I'm making it to noontime and I'm only down to 80%.
TLR: Keep your apps in check, they are what eat your battery.
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The "software" won't ever be off by more than 10%.
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A few days ago my phone shut off after draining the battery - before it shut off the battery was less than 1%. i let it sit for ten minutes or so then turned it on. - it showed 16%.
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i do this ALL the time!
If you are running a custom rom it is also good to delete the battery charge stats when booting back up after step 4. If you have CWM just boot into recovery, go to advanced, then clear battery stats.
There is a way to clear it if you don't have CWM, but I don't remember what it is and I think most people have CWM anyways.
I check my apps frequently. One day my weather widget was going nuts and was using GPS non stop. I pulled my phone out at lunch and the battery was in the yellow. Granted I haven't seen that happen again it has made me reconsider even using apps/ widgets with GPS
widgets kill battery. I had several pages of widgets and I had to wipe by phone, remarkable how much "better" the battery was after that. Weather widgets look great but it costs to run them.
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widgets kill battery. I had several pages of widgets and I had to wipe by phone, remarkable how much "better" the battery was after that. Weather widgets look great but it costs to run them.
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I've a feeling it has less to do with the actual widget and more to do with their constant updating when there is a poor or nonexistant connection.
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BigJayDogg3 said:
I've a feeling it has less to do with the actual widget and more to do with their constant updating when there is a poor or nonexistant connection.
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Don't download the anaimation sub-app. update on the hour (or 2) instead of 15 -30 min.
I would love some advice as a noob here. I've only had my Cappy for a little over 2 weeks. I've done the battery calibrate trick, but still don't see very good battery life. I unplugged from the charger at 100% at 10pm last night and left the phone on all night. Wifi and GPS were turned off. Beautiful Widgets is set to update weather every hour. The phone received 7 sms messages during the night. When the alarm went off at 6:30am I was at 70%. It's 10am now, so it's been off the charger for 12 hours. Here is what I show:
Voice Calls 34%
Cell Standby 23%
Phone Idle 16%
Display 15%
Android System 4%
Beautiful Widgets 3%
Android OS 3%
Android Core Apps 2%
antivirus 2%
Battery currently shows 51% left
I'm running stock Eclair JH7, build 1101
Would anyone suggest Advanced Task Killer or Juice Defender?
There are some good tips for prolonging and caring for your Battery here: (Can't post links, google search: site:arstechnica.com battery life ask ars)
However, cell phone batteries rarely run over $30 (I have seen capivate batteries as low as $13), if you just always fully charge it you will still see a good 8-12 months out of it, and then just buy a new one. $30 a year is worth it to me to just let the thing fully charge so that I can use it for longer.
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Would anyone suggest Advanced Task Killer or Juice Defender?
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PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL ANY OF THESE BEFORE READING
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-view-on-task-managers-for-android/
If you fully charge and run the battery, done several times, the battery will eventually run better. Surprisingly, there is a "break in" period for the battery.
I appreciate the advice on the task killers and such. I don't use one, and after reading that stuff, I won't. I pulled my phone off the charger yesterday at about 1pm. By the time I played some games, did some web browsing, made some calls and did some texting, it was still at 70% when I went to bed at around 10pm. This morning at 7am, I was shocked to find that it was still at 67%! I don't have a clue what was different. It typically hogs up 25-30% overnight, but this time it only did 3%. I wish I knew what was different. This is so weird!
Hi, I been looking around but can't find an answer for this so here goes:
I'd like my phone to NEVER shut down on low battery. I'm not talking about the miss calculated battery stats, but the (I assume) built-in shutdown when I am down to 2-3 % left.
When this happens (I tend to forget to charge my Charge), I usually turn it on and call people back which gives me around 10-30 seconds of talk at least 4-5 times before the phone is finally dead (And showing 0%).
What bugs me is that each time I waste battery on the phone starting up again, checking the SD card, firing up display etc etc. I'd rather spend that juice on talking.
So... anyone know of any tricks to tell the phone to just keep ticking till it cant no more...?
Thanks,
I don't know of a way, and even if I did, that's an extraordinarily bad idea. It shuts down in low battery situations for a reason. This isn't a simple feature phone. Android is a full-fledged Linux operating system, and just losing power can cause major data corruption if it happens at the wrong time.
Data doesn't matter
shrike1978 said:
I don't know of a way, and even if I did, that's an extraordinarily bad idea. It shuts down in low battery situations for a reason. This isn't a simple feature phone. Android is a full-fledged Linux operating system, and just losing power can cause major data corruption if it happens at the wrong time.
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I know this. However, corruption would not be in the firmware, merely in the user storage and I factory reset my phone all the time in the blink of second. Everything I have on the phone is constantly unloaded and easily restored; the phone is in itself just a hub for everything cloud (to use a overused buzzword).
So question is still there
My phone doesn't shut off until it is at critical level, <1% battery. I've even had my phone on before when it was displaying 0% battery, and it didn't turn itself off until it had to. I haven't had my phone shut down on its own until it was essentially dead, both with my Charge and Fascinate.
So...? Recalibrate?
So, it may sound like I need to re-calibrate my battery (again) ?
Is it possible that the phone will need more than one round of charge/drain/charge to show/use the correct battery charge?
It shouldn't if you do it properly. You need to let it cycle from 100% to 0% without restarting, flashing, wiping data, or anything similar. Just charge the phone to 100%, unplug it as soon as you can after it is fully charged, and then allow it to drain until it turns off, and recharge it again fully and you should be good to go.
Also, I thought that I read somewhere that if you ran the battery down to absolute 0, you kill the battery totally
piizzadude said:
Also, I thought that I read somewhere that if you ran the battery down to absolute 0, you kill the battery totally
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You'll never have to worry about that on a cell phone. When the phone shows 0%, you'll still have a bit over 3V in the battery. Cell phones have a very narrow range that they work over (about 4.2-3V). Outside of that, there's not enough voltage to power the phone, so it will never be able to fully discharge the battery.
It is still a really bad idea to drain the battery all the way down to zero. Buy another battery and carry it with you, if you must. Lithium-Ion does not like to be discharged drastically and charged drastically repeatedly. It likes to cycle at a higher range.
It sounds like you are draining the battery as far as you can as often as possible. This is no good in my experience.
I bought the charging dock that charges a spare battery and comes with a spare (OEM) battery also. When ever I go to leave the house and I realize I forgot to charge my phone, I just swap the battery and I have 100% instantly. If this was a problem for me while I was out, or if I go on a long trip, I'd just carry the spare battery with me one way or another.
I'm no technical expert, but it seems like this article may be somewhat relevant to the conversation.
I'm having issues with my phone shutting off when the battery meter is low but not dead.The indicator will be yellow and still shut off. When I power it back on and plug it in, its completely dead .
is the phone innacurately reporting the battery percentage?
Sounds like the battery isn't conditioned correctly. There are apps in the market to help with that.
Look in battery configs battstats prob in /data/system and prob elsewhere
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Arent there other ways to condition the battery with an app? i heard like running the phone to empty and then fully charging? any advice?
The problem with running it empty is the battery will never fully discharge because the phone is reading the stats incorrectly.
can you recommend any specific app for this? do you have to be rooted?
You'd have to look at the requirements per app but I do believe you need root.
Your phone isn't going to report one thing, but "believe" a different thing because of bad battery stats. A Google employee has already debunked "conditioning" your battery by deleting battery stats; the phone uses it for reference only, not to make any decisions, especially when to shut down. Something is wrong with the battery itself, or your phone, not your stats.
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It might be better over time. Had mine for two weeks now, and I had it run out on me three times. First time it shut down at about 13% left on the meter, second time around 8% and this last time at 2%. Good enough for me, but it's annoying if an untampered new phone doesn't report at least somewhat close to real battery-state.
I usually hook it on the charger at 15%-30% (approx 12-16 hours usage) in the evening, and sometimes have a few short charges (25-30 minutes) from the car-charger during the day.
I've never let mine get below 50% since I got it, but I just ran it into the ground with a terminal process ('yes && yes') and it went all the way to 0% and then powered off.
How long should I let the battery run down before I charge it again?
After I've installed all the apps I want and need, I charge my phone to a 100% then I let it run untill it shutsdown due to lack of power.
After that, I charge whenever I feel like it. Sometimes, if I suspect something is wrong with my battery, I repeat the process. I think that's maybe once in two/three months. Usually a bad flash, or some program with a bad update.
There is no need to drain the battery. If I don't need to I don't charge my battery at night (not with more than 40% and a charger at work).
In fact, completely killing li-ion batteries will reduce their life.
Killing batteries completely and charging them back up applied to NiCD etc batteries - older batteries... not modern ones.
Don't kill li-ion batteries, it is not good for them!
You can't kill them. Not in these phone's. They're always protected, which is also why they shutdown. Your phone will boot at least 10 times after a forcefull shutdown (I tried ). So no need to worry, the battery protection in Motorola's work just fine.
After flashing a new ROM you should always recalibrate your battery by using one of many free apps (I use "Battery Calibration") that will wipe the battery stats. If you start to notice big dips in your battery % for no apparent reason or your phone stays on much longer than it should have with only 1% battery then you're probably needing another calibration.
Basically you'll charge your phone to 100% then take it down to 0 then charge back to 100% without interruption.
I have noticed my meter is much more accurate if I do this after each flash (though I'm too lazy to as I am on nightlies so I do it about once a week).
Hello. I just noticed something weird on my TCL 10L phone. When the phone reaches 100%, it displays fully charged on my lockscreen. Though, unlocking the phone I see the phone is still charging. I see the battery bar being green with a charging bolt. It takes around 15-30 minutes until it says charged (and the bolt removed). Is this normal? I do not remember the phone doing this when I bought it around 5 months ago.
Changes in charging and especially sudden loss of capacity can indicate a battery failure.
Check for cover swelling/bulging, battery swelling is a failure, replace asap if so.
A failure this early is rare but Li's can fail at any time in their life.
Inspect jack and port for contamination. Use a known good charger and cable. Try cycling the battery until the phone shutdown then charge to 100%, repeat... to calibrate battery indicator.
Minimum start charging temp is 72F
Best start temperature is 82-90F
Never attempt to charge a Li below 40F
Keep battery temperature below about 101F when charging.
Do not use phone while charging as it will skew the charging curve.
Thanks for the reply. There is no battery loss. I can play games on this device, browse, and check apps and drain the battery in the same period I did since I got it. I actually charged it to 100% since went to sleep. 9 hours later the device was still at 100%. 1.5 hour of playing a game after that and the battery was down to 84%. The issue is really weird. I am thinking a battery calibration may help. I do not know.
P.S. I am currently using Android 10 and I do not want to switch to Android 11.
I wouldn't worry about it.
It's best not to charge to 100%.or below 30%.
Lu's like frequent midrange power cycling (40-65%).
As for 11, no way that crapware is getting on my phones....
blackhawk said:
I wouldn't worry about it.
It's best not to charge to 100%.or below 30%.
Lu's like frequent midrange power cycling (40-65%).
As for 11, no way that crapware is getting on my phones....
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Did you personally experience this on any device? This is the first time I saw something like this. According to some articles the phone may display wrong battery stats. So I was thinking calibration would be a solution to this issue.