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Samsung Moment OC'd to 1.06!

You think we can get this on the G1?
http://bit.ly/cNzpfv

Original Android <3ers! said:
You think we can get this on the G1?
http://bit.ly/cNzpfv
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simple answer: nope

RandumAccess said:
simple answer: nope
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Something ive learned with g1 dev, never say "nope", way to many times stuff which had been said impossible has been done.
But
1) OP do you know what you can over clock your g1 (not to 1 ghz though)
2) whats the full clock speed of the cpu 4 the moment?

asb123 said:
Something ive learned with g1 dev, never say "nope", way to many times stuff which had been said impossible has been done.
But
1) OP do you know what you can over clock your g1 (not to 1 ghz though)
2) whats the full clock speed of the cpu 4 the moment?
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Sorry but really? Are you being at all serious?
A processor clocked at 384mhz (g1) being overclocked to over a gig? What you gonna use to keep it cool? Liquid nitrogen?

true that... even at 576 mhz it gets way too hot while using wifi... besides, the phone just locks up when you go over 650 mhz or so. i have tried. i dont think it can handle it.

shadowch31 said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Sorry but really? Are you being at all serious?
A processor clocked at 384mhz (g1) being overclocked to over a gig? What you gonna use to keep it cool? Liquid nitrogen?
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Reread what you quoted. He said you can't do that.

ummm... i have mine at 825mhz
its possible, but not yet

bestofrhcp said:
ummm... I have mine at 825mhz
its possible, but not yet
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this guy just treated all of your lives! I love you bestofrhcp!

The thing is the moment runs at 800 Mhz stock so 1006-800= 200 Mhz overclock, or a 25% overclock. Our G1's were built for 385, but I've gotten mine stable up to 729, so an 89% overclock. Granted, the CPU inside the G1 was designed for 528 but HTC underclocked it for battery purposes, so it's only a 38% overclock. The samsung moment has a really crappy samsung chip (pre-hummingbird), but it should be able to squeeze out a few more mhz. I don't have much hope for anything more than 729 on our phones, at least not without an overvolt kernel and some sort of liquid cooling system.

Processor Qualcomm® MSM7201A™, 528 MHz

I am really getting sick of all the overclocking nonsense.
There is MORE TO SPEED THAN CLOCK RATE!!!!
You can clock these CPUs as fast as you want, but the overall effect on performance will be measurably negligible. You may, at most, THINK that it is faster when in fact, it is NOT.

lbcoder said:
I am really getting sick of all the overclocking nonsense.
There is MORE TO SPEED THAN CLOCK RATE!!!!
You can clock these CPUs as fast as you want, but the overall effect on performance will be measurably negligible. You may, at most, THINK that it is faster when in fact, it is NOT.
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Hehe It might be placebo but Raging Thunder 2 is MUCH more playable at 700 Mhz than at 528.
It is true that there is more to speed than clock rate, I'm not going to argue about that. A Core 2 due at 3.3 Ghz doesn't compare to a Core i3 at 2.2 Ghz, since the core i3 has more cores and is a more efficient platform. But a Core i3 at 1.6 Ghz in a netbook won't compare to a Core i3 at 2.4 Ghz in a desktop. Clock speed can make a big difference in performance. You can optimize all you want but using brute force helps out. Of course I only overclock when I want to play some 3D racing games and I'm close to a power source. I usually run it at 352 or 480.

bestofrhcp said:
ummm... i have mine at 825mhz
its possible, but not yet
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Can you cook bacon on it?
1ghz would probably fry the whole motherboard :| What we really need is some ram, which will be no problem when I upgrade.

bestofrhcp said:
ummm... i have mine at 825mhz
its possible, but not yet
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Why would you want to OC that much, I'm sure your battery last all of about 4 hours tops

Quadrant scores?

I know that quandrant is not a good benchmark because the results depends on the hardware installed (CPU qualcomm or samsung or TI OMAP), but my question is:
Desire S in quadrant advanced reach a score of 3000 in the CPU section; the xperia arc, with the same CPU reach a score of 5500 in the cpu section. They are both on gingerbread....so why this difference?
Also the desire HD with froyo and the same Qualcomm CPU reach a 5500 score...
I can't uderstaind!
sorry 4 my english

My wife just got her Des S, and Mega jump is lagging
Quadrant score is 1000-1200
how can it happen with an Adreno 205 inside?
it has 1.28.401.1 ROM on it. do you experience it with other ROMs too?

liljom said:
My wife just got her Des S, and Mega jump is lagging
Quadrant score is 1000-1200
how can it happen with an Adreno 205 inside?
it has 1.28.401.1 ROM on it. do you experience it with other ROMs too?
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i've got no lag at all....

ilbulgaro89 said:
i've got no lag at all....
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no lag on Mega jump? not even when you pick up a rocket?

liljom said:
no lag on Mega jump? not even when you pick up a rocket?
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no lag at all in this game

ilbulgaro89 said:
no lag at all in this game
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and what is your Quadrant score?

liljom said:
and what is your Quadrant score?
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around 1240

ilbulgaro89 said:
around 1240
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yeah, that is the max I can get too
the funny thing is, that my Desire HD with a Desire S port performs better; same CPU, GPU and screen resolution; and no lag in megajump :/

liljom said:
yeah, that is the max I can get too
the funny thing is, that my Desire HD with a Desire S port performs better; same CPU, GPU and screen resolution; and no lag in megajump :/
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yeah, I also do not explain the differences in benchmark scores with this 2 devices

i gave my opinion of why the lower scores in this thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036668
basically there has been a general trend on most phones that gingerbread performs lower than froyo on benchmark tests and performance. this is certainly been my experience. and since the desire s is running gingerbread, while the desire HD is running froyo (i think, right?), that is your answer right there...

Since the Desire S is the "first" device from HTC dressed in Gingerbread...can we safely say that it wasn't an optimized Gingy version that HTC brought up?
If all the Desire family get their Gingerbread update (Classic, HD, Z) and did perform well in benchmarking, that would leave Desire S...????

RogerPodacter said:
i gave my opinion of why the lower scores in this thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036668
basically there has been a general trend on most phones that gingerbread performs lower than froyo on benchmark tests and performance. this is certainly been my experience. and since the desire s is running gingerbread, while the desire HD is running froyo (i think, right?), that is your answer right there...
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you are right
I run Gingerbread on my DHD, and the Quadrant is lower
I thought it's because we don't have the gingerbread sources for DHD, and we don't have the right drivers
but still, DHD has 1500-1600 in Quadrant (compare to 1200) with DS 1.28 port :/ and that's a big difference with the same CPU, GPU

liljom said:
you are right
I run Gingerbread on my DHD, and the Quadrant is lower
I thought it's because we don't have the gingerbread sources for DHD, and we don't have the right drivers
but still, DHD has 1500-1600 in Quadrant (compare to 1200) with DS 1.28 port :/ and that's a big difference with the same CPU, GPU
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i ask it in this thread for this reason: dhd has an higher results with desire s gingebread porting......a my friend has in test a developer version of incredible s with gingerbread 2.3.3 and his quadrant score is 1450 (higher than desire s...but with same hardware)

ilbulgaro89 said:
i ask it in this thread for this reason: dhd has an higher results with desire s gingebread porting......a my friend has in test a developer version of incredible s with gingerbread 2.3.3 and his quadrant score is 1450 (higher than desire s...but with same hardware)
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2 things can save us:
-we find the way to root DS
-we get a good update from HTC

DS is relatively still a "baby"
we'll get there eventually

ilbulgaro89 said:
i ask it in this thread for this reason: dhd has an higher results with desire s gingebread porting......a my friend has in test a developer version of incredible s with gingerbread 2.3.3 and his quadrant score is 1450 (higher than desire s...but with same hardware)
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well maybe your friend's incredible s is overclocked, or he has some other type of customization that you are not aware of. because what i am trying to say is that, stock 2.2 vs stock 2.3, there is a performance and quadrant drop, significantly. stock 2.3 may get around 1250 quadrant, and stock froyo may get around 1650 quadrant. i get 1200 on 2.3, but i can over clock to maximum and get 1400. but somethign still isnt right, because i could over clock on 2.2 and get 1700.
also, people say quadrant scores are meaningless. but this has gotten mis interpreted on the web. quadrant scores are meaningless BETWEEN DIFFERENT PHONE MODELS. but quadrant definitely has meanign within the same device. so if your device runs 1600 on 2.2, then 1200 on 2.3, that is a meaningful piece of data. benchmark shows the ability of your phone to do various tasks like scroll a list, load some html or javascript, or parse a bunch of data. so it annoys me when others (not in this thread) say quadrant is meaningless. what the original statement meant was that lower device A could be optimized very well to be smooth, while higher device B could be better hardware, but optimized poorly to not be smooth, and a benchmark would not tell this story. i agree wtih that. but not within the same device i dont
i also see slower choppy scrolling in 2.3, for example tapatalk threads and lists were smooth in 2.2, but choppy and chunky in 2.3, etc. and the benchmark seems to agree with that.

RogerPodacter said:
well maybe your friend's incredible s is overclocked, or he has some other type of customization that you are not aware of. because what i am trying to say is that, stock 2.2 vs stock 2.3, there is a performance and quadrant drop, significantly. stock 2.3 may get around 1250 quadrant, and stock froyo may get around 1650 quadrant. i get 1200 on 2.3, but i can over clock to maximum and get 1400. but somethign still isnt right, because i could over clock on 2.2 and get 1700.
also, people say quadrant scores are meaningless. but this has gotten mis interpreted on the web. quadrant scores are meaningless BETWEEN DIFFERENT PHONE MODELS. but quadrant definitely has meanign within the same device. so if your device runs 1600 on 2.2, then 1200 on 2.3, that is a meaningful piece of data. benchmark shows the ability of your phone to do various tasks like scroll a list, load some html or javascript, or parse a bunch of data. so it annoys me when others (not in this thread) say quadrant is meaningless. what the original statement meant was that lower device A could be optimized very well to be smooth, while higher device B could be better hardware, but optimized poorly to not be smooth, and a benchmark would not tell this story. i agree wtih that. but not within the same device i dont
i also see slower choppy scrolling in 2.3, for example tapatalk threads and lists were smooth in 2.2, but choppy and chunky in 2.3, etc. and the benchmark seems to agree with that.
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my friend's incredible s is a stock phone updated to Gingerbread via OTA today...without any type of hack...incredible s is not rooted!

My understanding was that Gingerbread is quite a bit slower than Froyo in Quadrant tests.
In real use though, it seems fine.
I suppose we'll have more idea when 2.3.3 upgrades become available for devices currently running 2.2.x.

njd said:
My understanding was that Gingerbread is quite a bit slower than Froyo in Quadrant tests.
In real use though, it seems fine.
I suppose we'll have more idea when 2.3.3 upgrades become available for devices currently running 2.2.x.
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Desire HD came out with 2.2, and now it runs 2.3, and yes, the Quadrant went down

njd said:
I suppose we'll have more idea when 2.3.3 upgrades become available for devices currently running 2.2.x.
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On htc-hero score was equal on 2.2 and 2.3 (both overclocked CM-ROMs)
On my NexuS with 2.3 I have scores about 2500 @ 1GHz (and crazy >3000 @ 1,4GHz)
On the DesireS I only get 1200 @ 1Ghz (equal performance gov or ondemand)
Wired is the totaly different fps: desireS has 50fps at the "planet3D" where Nexus has only 20fps; in the "doom3D" it is vice versa
But in everyday use there is no big difference - I tend to sell the NexuS, but really not sure wich phone I should keep..

quadrant vs smartbench 2011

i am running infused 1.3.1 andon quadrant i would score 1500-1750 but on smartbench i would get 915-1015 on cpu and pretty close to 3000 on gpu , i have two questions, are those score from smart bench good and secondly which should i take more seriously quadrant or smart bench

silver258 said:
i am running infused 1.3.1 andon quadrant i would score 1500-1750 but on smartbench i would get 915-1015 on cpu and pretty close to 3000 on gpu , i have two questions, are those score from smart bench good and secondly which should i take more seriously quadrant or smart bench
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None of it matters... The phone runs good doesn't it? that is all that should matter
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Wtf good is an insult its beyond good i came from iphone 3gs lol
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if you buy the full version of quadrant you get more information, i am totally against the idea of just stacking scores like quadrant does. that being said smart benchmark attempts to make a simple compsite score that is more relevant than the otheres do using some kind of algorithm to balance the weight of each componant, i dont agree with that either.
if you want to benchmark to figure out what you have improved specifically then get antutu or pay for quadrant but never look at the cumulative scores, it is totally irrelevant.
if you want to see how the performance compare acording to an algorithm get smart benchmark
if you want to be impressed with the phone, run a 3d/opengl benchmark. or otherwise play some H.264 codec .mkv videos at 720p (1080p also works but at a lower bitrate and class, the 720 video would likely look better) then try the same video on an atrix and an inspire.

[Q] Increase performance?

Well...
I'm currently running
Faux 0.12 OC'd to max on 'ondemand'
Android Revolution HD 3.04
and I only get 2500-2600 on Quadernt benchmarks
I've heard of people that get 3000+ D:
How do I increase performance???

Quadrant is ****. That's all
¤Violets are red,
Roses are blue,
Wait, what?
I have no idea what I'm saying,
But you lost the game¤

Quadrant is also inconsistent. It will piss you off to no end, my friend. Try CF-Bench. I use that to see whether or not any "improvements" are such.
Matt

Get a crayon and draw a line.
Get a pencil and write any number you like under it.
As good as quadrant, any day.
Do you want a fast phone, or do you want some imaginary numbers?
Use cf bench and linpack to judge if changes made your phone better or worse.
As far as comparing numbers from one phone to another, forget it.
P.

I've heard linpack is the worst app ever from a lot of people so I don't trust that, at all.
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I've heard a lot about CF-Bench but never got around to using it. I definitely know not to use Quadrant but have always heard good things about Antutu (which I normally use). How does CF-Bench compare with Antutu for performance measuring accuracy?

I'm not usually a benchmark kinda dude, bt antutu can suck some pistachios, I always get inconsistent results with it, bt if anything ll run cf when I use a diff kernel just to c if any improvements
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Doesnt clock both processors. Use cf bench please. Thats why you are getting low scores
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yep, agree on CF bench, but if you really like higher quadrant points, you should try 2 things:
1. run quadrant a minimum of 5 times in a row, will increase your points on the last runs
2. put in class 10 sd card, will increase points a lot in comparison to class 4 stock card ..

Agreed on running CF Bench, Antu tu isn't bad either.

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yep, agree on CF bench, but if you really like higher quadrant points, you should try 2 things:
1. run quadrant a minimum of 5 times in a row, will increase your points on the last runs
2. put in class 10 sd card, will increase points a lot in comparison to class 4 stock card ..
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Whats the difference in sd class?

Some benches test r/w speeds of SD card and they affect bench score.
Alfhea said:
Whats the difference in sd class?
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Antutu 4 scores

Did they disable samsung's "cheat" mode on the latest antutu version? The i9500 9505 and htc one scores are very close now. Here's my score compared against the standard s4 in their chart, which i think is the i9505.
what are your scores and thoughts guys?

tclocki said:
Did they disable samsung's "cheat" mode on the latest antutu version? The i9500 9505 and htc one scores are very close now. Here's my score compared against the standard s4 in their chart, which i think is the i9505.
what are your scores and thoughts guys?
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If you want high Antutu 4 scores, just install the AOSP 4.3 rom in the original development section. Got 29k+ with it. The 3D score got a significant boost at least.

I'm not really into getting high antutu scores I'm just relieved that it looks like the boost mode has been turned off in this antutu version because as I said htc one, the lte s4, and the exynos s4 now have very close scores.
I'm still enjoying the stock touchwiz features so I don't think I'll be using the AOSP rom anytime soon. Thanks for the info btw, appreciate it!

I've noticed higher scores on the note 2 since the recent Antutu 4 update, which is nice I think they were underscoring the note 2 in hopes that you would sell the N2 and buy a new s4. Just my 2 cents though.

My I9500 gets 27017, also on stock TW and no root:
A few more runs and I'm sure it can hit 28000.

GT-I9500

GT-I9505G, running stock and rooted 4.3

Yo with my settings which is I clocked to 2052mhz and other various settings and my score was
28979
I freaked out when I saw it, by the way I do not know why it shows 2322mhz I think because thats the max Ktoonez kernel allows you to clock it, there is no way the phone will allow me to clock it at that and run antutu it will shutdown I have tried it dont you worry lol.
Anyway this is a MASSIVE boost for i9505 my max before on old antutu was 26768 and this was Extremely tweaked, now its just a few tweaks with the kernel, and done.
I also still am on old firmware I havent updated for over 1 month.
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Here is mine running on MIUI 4.2.2:
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DELETE

stock not rooted 4.2.2 :thumbup:
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Mine 28532 with:
GPU OC to 450Mhz
CPU OC to 2100Mhz
(Faux Kernel + GE 4.3 slim)

I get 2700-2800 in antutu on my i9505 running stock Clock speeds and bioshock kernel on 4.2.2 TW. Guess we officially beat the i9500 now. XD

hi , how do you have scores as high ??? , me I have 22257pts on WanamLite 1.5 and the last AdamKernel
Envoyé depuis mon GT-I9505 en utilisant Tapatalk 4

krz_ayman said:
hi , how do you have scores as high ??? , me I have 22257pts on WanamLite 1.5 and the last AdamKernel
Envoyé depuis mon GT-I9505 en utilisant Tapatalk 4
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Don't give a damn about it. Antutu is meaningless and worthless as hell. But yeah, Adam has lower score than stock, not sure what's the reason. You can flash stock if you wanna see a high score. Also another very important factor is device temp and also ambient temp. I live in India, and average room temp is ~29-30°C here, and my score on stock kernel variate's between 25500-27800. People in colder temperature will get higher scores definitely. You might wanna run it after the phone had some rest (at least half an hour), that'd make a difference.

tclocki said:
Did they disable samsung's "cheat" mode on the latest antutu version? The i9500 9505 and htc one scores are very close now. Here's my score compared against the standard s4 in their chart, which i think is the i9505.
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Scored 28007 on my i9505.
Weird that the i9500 is scoring so low.

We all know the Samsung Exynos 5 Octa is more powerful than the Qualcomm S600, so there is something VERY odd going on with AnTuTu, my I9500 averaged 28100, now it gets 27000 at best.

POLO_i780 said:
We all know the Samsung Exynos 5 Octa is more powerful than the Qualcomm S600, so there is something VERY odd going on with AnTuTu, my I9500 averaged 28100, now it gets 27000 at best.
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Right you're.. if we have 4.3 soon then I doubt i9505 would beat us.. and obviously if we overclock cpu and gpu that as much as devilpera64 have i9500 will beat the **** out of other phones. Just you wait till october and I assure you. I9505 will be behind us.

POLO_i780 said:
We all know the Samsung Exynos 5 Octa is more powerful than the Qualcomm S600, so there is something VERY odd going on with AnTuTu, my I9500 averaged 28100, now it gets 27000 at best.
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nothing odd. Antutu is acquired by Xiaomi last month, and next thing I dont need to say... It's no longer a valid benchmark
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GUYS WHATEVER YOU DO DONT USE QUADRANT PROFESSIONAL BENCHMARK.
THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT. ME AND MY BROTHER HAVE IDENTICAL GT I9500s
I RAN THE QUADRANT PROFESSIONAL FULL TEST AND MY PHONE CRASHED. IT WASNT BOOTING UP FOR ALMOST 15 MINUTES. BUT LATER IT BOOTED. IT WASNT OVERCLOCKED NEITHER WAS MY BROTHERS PHONE. NOW HE UNDERCLOCKED BOTH GPU AND CPU AND DID THE SAME. SAME THING HAPPENED TO HIM.
WHATEVER YOU DO DONT JUST USE QUADRANT PROFESSIONAL.
I admit gt i9500 has low score in antutu thats why I went to test with quadrant professional.