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[Q] WiFi Sleep Policy

My WiFI Sleep Policy is set to default (After 15 min) however the WiFi is always on. The icon is there when I turn my screen on. Checked the battery usage graph also, and WiFi is always on (as long as I don't turn if off manually).
I have a stock ROM, the latest European stock ROM.
Is this a bug? What does 'After 15 min' actually mean?

I believe it means the wifi will turn off 15 minutes after the screen goes off, and then back on with screen on.

I thought so too, but mine isn't doint that.

teomor said:
I thought so too, but mine isn't doint that.
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I know there was a recommendation to set "Never" as the sleep policy. I can't find that post unfortunately. I know on my Desire with CM7 it resulted in better battery life, counter intuitive but......

I know. I've had it set to Never on my Desire. But now I'm seeing longer standby with the current setting (After 15 min) on my Sensation compared to the Desire. Although I suspect it isn't working and it's actually never turning off.

teomor said:
I know. I've had it set to Never on my Desire. But now I'm seeing longer standby with the current setting (After 15 min) on my Sensation compared to the Desire. Although I suspect it isn't working and it's actually never turning off.
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Lol, same upgrade here. TBH I've left it at Never and not tried the other policies.
I use WiFi when at home, I'm on a 3G data plan ( I'm guessing WiFi sleeping means I wouldn't get updated Gmail. Or does it revert back to 3G ?

WiFi sleeping means going back to 3G, yes.

teomor said:
WiFi sleeping means going back to 3G, yes.
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Thanks, might just try it and see.

Does anyone think that instead of going to sleep after 15 minutes of the screen being turned off (regardless of whether there are background apps that have active internet connections), the WiFi actually starts sleeping after 15 minutes of idle time? I think this would be a better efficiency algorithm, so, as long as you have apps that constantly use the internet, keep WiFi connected, but when no apps are doing auto-sync or any background data, only turn on WiFi when manually using the apps..

Applications can be programmed to call for a WiFi lock. If any active application does so, WiFi won't shut off when the phone is asleep.

gol_n_dal said:
I know there was a recommendation to set "Never" as the sleep policy. I can't find that post unfortunately. I know on my Desire with CM7 it resulted in better battery life, counter intuitive but......
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I remember that old tips thread. It was set your wifi sleep policy to never. Install spare parts+ or pro and set end button behaviour to sleep. And something to do with Market app. Settings->notifications-> uncheck the box. For some reason market notifications were not allowing your phone to go to sleep properly or some garbage like that. Its worth a shot.

[Q] battery drain in standby, and Google play service problem

so I decided to charge my phone fully then leave it alone for 12 hours to see the standby drain, and This morning when I took a look and I was pretty disappointed. I attached pics, but as you can see, 12 hours of standby and 30 percent of my battery is gone. wtf? another time I did this a week ago with only 8 hours of standby, it drained 20 percent, which if scaled to 12 hours will become 30 percent. Why is the drain so high? Google play services is at the top of the list, and even with normal use it takes about 10 plus percent of my battery. my friends nexus 4, with basically the same apps I have (fb, messenger, Chrome, snapchat, bbm, etc) only had 10 percent after 12 hours. both our phones have the battery saving location enabled, radios on, but the only difference is that he wasn't connected to WiFi and I was. any suggestions? And yes I've looked around on the Internet at other people having the same problem and I still haven't found a fix

Lol sorry I forgot to add the pics in the first post

It's the WiFi. I had the really bad battery drain issue while connected to WiFi after the 4.4.2 update. I lost about 30% of charge after 4ish hours while connected. Currently I'm at 92% after 3 hours.
Try disconnecting from WiFi and redoing your test!

spitefulcheerio said:
It's the WiFi. I had the really bad battery drain issue while connected to WiFi after the 4.4.2 update. I lost about 30% of charge after 4ish hours while connected. Currently I'm at 92% after 3 hours.
Try disconnecting from WiFi and redoing your test!
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oh wow, that might be my problem then. thanks a lot, I'll redo the test and see what happens, thanks

I haven't used WiFi at all today, my phone had been unplugged since 6 am and at 1pm today it's down to 57 percent. I have hardly used my phone today and the play services are killing it.

I think WiFi was my issue actually, I have kept it off all day and after 2.5ish hours I'm down to 72 percent battery, with an hour of screen on and using Google search quite a bit. the screenshot has screen and Google search at the top, Google play services hasn't been up in double digits at all

NuckFuggets said:
I think WiFi was my issue actually, I have kept it off all day and after 2.5ish hours I'm down to 72 percent battery, with an hour of screen on and using Google search quite a bit. the screenshot has screen and Google search at the top, Google play services hasn't been up in double digits at all
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On your first screenshot Google play services consumed 34% out of 30% of your total battery loss, which is approx. 10% of your full charge. Within 12 hours this would be a 0.85% battery drain per hour because of gp services.
I did the math again for the second screenshot and Googe Play services consumed 0.7% per hour.
Doesn't feel like a big difference for me. If the time was actually less than 2.5 hours the drain could be equal.

George_Mn said:
On your first screenshot Google play services consumed 34% out of 30% of your total battery loss, which is approx. 10% of your full charge. Within 12 hours this would be a 0.85% battery drain per hour because of gp services.
I did the math again for the second screenshot and Googe Play services consumed 0.7% per hour.
Doesn't feel like a big difference for me. If the time was actually less than 2.5 hours the drain could be equal.
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oh, well this is disappointing. that's so stupid, what is Google play services even for? and why does it have like an hour of keep awake time??

NuckFuggets said:
oh, well this is disappointing. that's so stupid, what is Google play services even for? and why does it have like an hour of keep awake time??
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Go to Settings->Location->Google Location Reporting and set both to Off => no more battery drain

George_Mn said:
Go to Settings->Location->Google Location Reporting and set both to Off => no more battery drain
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but then won't Google now not work anymore?

NuckFuggets said:
but then won't Google now not work anymore?
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Google Now will still function. It just will not show cards based on location. Also when you disable or semi disable location sometimes Search start's keeping you're phone awake trying to find some location information. If this happens just force stop Google search or reboot the phone.

bblzd said:
Google Now will still function. It just will not show cards based on location. Also when you disable or semi disable location sometimes Search start's keeping you're phone awake trying to find some location information. If this happens just force stop Google search or reboot the phone.
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oh ok, so like the weather card won't work? what about commute time to home? I'm guessing that won't work either right?
but anyway thanks for the help!

NuckFuggets said:
oh ok, so like the weather card won't work? what about commute time to home? I'm guessing that won't work either right?
but anyway thanks for the help!
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Weather will still work you just need to input you're location into the card settings manually. I used that for a while but it consistently wakes the phone to update it which annoyed me so I use Dashclock as it only updates when I turn the screen on.
Without Locations it will still grab information from the net about your searches, sports teams, stocks etc. It will no longer show you commutes, local picture spots etc.
I've kept Google Now on mainly so I can still set and receive reminders but don't want to tolerate any unnecessary wakes when the screen is off and have accomplished that now.

bblzd said:
Weather will still work you just need to input you're location into the card settings manually. I used that for a while but it consistently wakes the phone to update it which annoyed me so I use Dashclock as it only updates when I turn the screen on.
Without Locations it will still grab information from the net about your searches, sports teams, stocks etc. It will no longer show you commutes, local picture spots etc.
I've kept Google Now on mainly so I can still set and receive reminders but don't want to tolerate any unnecessary wakes when the screen is off and have accomplished that now.
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oh man, Idk il have to see how that works, cuz I use Google now a lot. but I'll try it, thanks again

George_Mn said:
Go to Settings->Location->Google Location Reporting and set both to Off => no more battery drain
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Not necessary to go that extreme.
I had the same issue as you guys after upgrading. Goto Settings->App->All
Select Google play services. Stop it. And clean data (All, including cache)
Reboot. And voila, it will consume much much less battery (Dont ask me why... Probably some conflict arising on the data file after upgrade)
On a side note, without completely disabling data location, it is worth switching to the battery friendly mode (Location will be evaluated using the network and not the GPS)
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Alcibiade said:
Not necessary to go that extreme.
I had the same issue as you guys after upgrading. Goto Settings->App->All
Select Google play services. Stop it. And clean data (All, including cache)
Reboot. And voila, it will consume much much less battery (Dont ask me why... Probably some conflict arising on the data file after upgrade)
On a side note, without completely disabling data location, it is worth switching to the battery friendly mode (Location will be evaluated using the network and not the GPS)
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just tried that, I'll see what happens. what's this though, when I want to disable it I get this pop-up. I get it with all system apps, but the last line I've never seen before

NuckFuggets said:
just tried that, I'll see what happens. what's this though, when I want to disable it I get this pop-up. I get it with all system apps, but the last line I've never seen before
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Dont disable it. Stop it and wipe data
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Alcibiade said:
Dont disable it. Stop it and wipe data
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I wasn't going to disable it, I was just wondering what would happen if I did
also here are my stats from today, what is android system and android os? why are they draining so much battery? also why is Swype using so much battery?

Researched this a lot, found some solutions, bad and good fixes and after trying some different twists on it after two days this is what I found to be the best, and I decided since this is just as bad as 4.0/4.1 and the mediaserver battery drain I might as well try and help at least 1 person by mass posting this reply I wrote else where to other threads, so here you go:
"Hey- I don't know if you, or anyone else has found a working solution, but here is the way I found best:
Note- I am on galaxy s4 [sgh-i337] running a 4.4 KitKat rom. I have found the following work around to work best for me:
1 Google now & Hotword detection=OFF,
2 GPS = OFF and turned on only when needed, eg maps/checkin on facebook/whatever needs location.
3 Settings-> Manage Apps -> Google Play Services -> Manage Space -> Clear All Data.
**Optional:After this [root only] I go into KT tweaker and make sure my phone cpu is set to a max of 810 Mhz when screen off.**
This fix usually works until I reset the phone. I ALWAYS follow those 3 steps when rebooting. AND always check that after I've used GPS that Google Play Services isn't keeping my phone awake. [Eg, after 30 minutes I check if the phone ever went to sleep again when the screen was off.] IF it does act up, I repeat steps 1, 2 &3. I still get notifications and all, and this is the least feature disabling way I've found that works with the cost of a little micro-management of your phone.
With this fix I can idle for an estimated 5-6days. As I take off my phone from charge at 8am and at noon with minimal usage [maybe 4 or 5 texts] I am at 97%. With WiFi on & connected.
OTHER: I personally keep NFC&Android beam&Bluetooth OFF, and turn ON when I need it on. Other- WiFi is always ON, and "Scanning Always Available" EDIT: Now is OFF, "WiFi Optimization" is checked ON for me. And for location mode when I do have it on, I keep it at EDIT: Device only. Using only gps to find my location.
All in all, I hope this gets fixed."
I can post screen shots and all if somebody wants them or if there is need for one
-icy

icy4phone said:
Researched this a lot, found some solutions, bad and good fixes and after trying some different twists on it after two days this is what I found to be the best, and I decided since this is just as bad as 4.0/4.1 and the mediaserver battery drain I might as well try and help at least 1 person by mass posting this reply I wrote else where to other threads, so here you go:
"Hey- I don't know if you, or anyone else has found a working solution, but here is the way I found best:
Note- I am on galaxy s4 [sgh-i337] running a 4.4 KitKat rom. I have found the following work around to work best for me:
1 Google now & Hotword detection=OFF,
2 GPS = OFF and turned on only when needed, eg maps/checkin on facebook/whatever needs location.
3 Settings-> Manage Apps -> Google Play Services -> Manage Space -> Clear All Data.
**Optional:After this [root only] I go into KT tweaker and make sure my phone cpu is set to a max of 810 Mhz when screen off.**
This fix usually works until I reset the phone. I ALWAYS follow those 3 steps when rebooting. AND always check that after I've used GPS that Google Play Services isn't keeping my phone awake. [Eg, after 30 minutes I check if the phone ever went to sleep again when the screen was off.] IF it does act up, I repeat steps 1, 2 &3. I still get notifications and all, and this is the least feature disabling way I've found that works with the cost of a little micro-management of your phone.
With this fix I can idle for an estimated 5-6days. As I take off my phone from charge at 8am and at noon with minimal usage [maybe 4 or 5 texts] I am at 97%. With WiFi on & connected.
OTHER: I personally keep NFC&Android beam&Bluetooth OFF, and turn ON when I need it on. Other- WiFi is always ON, and "Scanning Always Available" & "WiFi Optimization" is checked ON for me. And for location mode when I do have it on, I keep it at EDIT: Device only. Using only gps to find my location.
All in all, I hope this gets fixed."
I can post screen shots and all if somebody wants them or if there is need for one
-icy
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thanks! but wow i wish my battery would be that good. i actually did so,ething else, i turned off the location reporting like someone earlier said and google play services dont even show up anymore. using device only disables location reporting as well so they both should have similar improvements.

battery drained 30 percent overnight? normal?

Hello, my battery was at 60 percent last night and this morning it is now at 30. I went in and looked at the battery data and Google plus was at the top of the list at 33 percent. Suggestions?

It's not normal, turn off location when you're not using it.

Uninstall it
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Did you have autosync on are u using a kernel with sweep2wake or similar features?
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No you can't uninstall it unless you use some root application, and besides I want to keep it. The mods I have installed and other apps that run:
Stock ROM
Stock Kernel
SuperSU
BusyBox
Init.d
n5 camera fix + video fix
moto x camera nexus 5 port
google animation fix
optimized dalvik
optimized bionic
updated adreno drivers
Light Flow
Touch Control
Groove IP
Twisty Launcher
Xposed framework:
GravityBox
Greenify
Instagram downloader
KeepChat
LockDown
Snapshare
Tinted Status Bar
Yes I have auto backup on, but I'm not taking any new pictures in my sleep..

I lose 2% overnight
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Plug it in when you go to bed? That ways it's 100% when you wake up.
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Kreateablaze said:
Plug it in when you go to bed? That ways it's 100% when you wake up.
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Haha, I'm trying to find the cause of the problem and why other people don't experience these issues.

microzee said:
Yes I have auto backup on, but I'm not taking any new pictures in my sleep..
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No need to list all your apps when you know Google+ is the culprit
There is an option within settings to sync photos over Wi-Fi only and while on charge, much more efficient unless you really need to backup all the time
Additionally for general gains, you could use another app to turn off data/Wi-Fi or toggle airplane mode overnight, unless you need it syncing while you sleep

eddiehk6 said:
No need to list all your apps when you know Google+ is the culprit
There is an option within settings to sync photos over Wi-Fi only and while on charge, much more efficient unless you really need to backup all the time
Additionally for general gains, you could use another app to turn off data/Wi-Fi or toggle airplane mode overnight, unless you need it syncing while you sleep
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Google+ isn't syncing photos because all of my photos are synced.

It was probably syncing something overnight though right? Worth having charging setting anyway
Ironic that an official Google app will have
e such a high wakelock...
Perhaps try something like greenify?

eddiehk6 said:
It was probably syncing something overnight though right? Worth having charging setting anyway
Ironic that an official Google app will have
e such a high wakelock...
Perhaps try something like greenify?
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No because I flashed back to stock a couple days ago to reapply mods and haven't taken any pictures yet.. I have greenify so i'll watch my battery level and then use greenify if I need to. Still weird though. I also totally shut off location now (was on battery saving) so I'll see what happens overnight this time.

install wake lock detector thank me later

microzee said:
Google+ isn't syncing photos because all of my photos are synced.
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usual stuff:
hotword detectionn/off?
wifi scanning even when its offn/off?
rogue app?
higher up you can
install a wakelock detector and check which apps does the "batman"
would have been helpful if you had at least attached the screenshot of the battery stats.
Best hope: Install a wake-lock detector. Check for app.

microzee said:
Hello, my battery was at 60 percent last night and this morning it is now at 30. I went in and looked at the battery data and Google plus was at the top of the list at 33 percent. Suggestions?
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Google+ will sometimes cause small wakelocks on my phone overnight as well. Although, it doesn't appear as bad as yours. If it doesn't "sync" overnight, I only lose 1-2% that night. If it does sync, it shows that it kept the phone awake for about 10min. But even then, I'll only lose about 5-7% that night (definitely not 33%). I, too, have it back up my pictures over WiFi. This wakelock is random. Sometimes it happens during the day, and sometimes at night. I doesn't really seem to correlate with me taking pictures that day or not.

gamer.11 said:
usual stuff:
hotword detection: on/off?
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A genuine query... how much battery does the hotword detection use? Has anyone noticed a difference on/off?

surrealjam said:
A genuine query... how much battery does the hotword detection use? Has anyone noticed a difference on/off?
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It's only draining when you're at a home screen so while it's not consistent it will decrease SoT slightly. It only saves you from making 1 screen tap on the mic icon so the trade off is questionable.
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microzee said:
Google+ isn't syncing photos because all of my photos are synced.
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Is it set to only sync when plugged in and on Wifi?

This time it went from 89 to 49, probably because in the morning I started getting notifications. Anyways Google plus is no longer on the battery list. Attached are screenshots of anything I think might be useful.

Press on 1013, does it give more information?
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Bad Battery Drain -- What could culprit be?

So I am noticing some really bad battery drain from the process alarm_wakeup_locator. Not sure what apps are associated with it or what but I really want to narrow down the culprit! I have attached some screenshots from BBB and also the AlarmManager.txt file which I retrieved using the command "dumpsys alarm > AlarmManager.txt" from terminal emulator. If anyone sees anything out of the ordinary or knows what app or whatever is causing this please let me know! Thanks!

pettigrew95 said:
So I am noticing some really bad battery drain from the process alarm_wakeup_locator. Not sure what apps are associated with it or what but I really want to narrow down the culprit! I have attached some screenshots from BBB and also the AlarmManager.txt file which I retrieved using the command "dumpsys alarm > AlarmManager.txt" from terminal emulator. If anyone sees anything out of the ordinary or knows what app or whatever is causing this please let me know! Thanks!
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What are your location settings set to?

bigmixxx said:
What are your location settings set to?
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I have google location services off and GPS on battery saver mode.

I mean to be honest, 3% per hour is not that bad. Turn off location reporting in google now, and it looks like your wifi is responsible for the rest of the wakelocks i.e., dont keep it on. I really, REALLY, don't understand why android has to have this retarded battery draining wakelock.

123421342 said:
I mean to be honest, 3% per hour is not that bad. Turn off location reporting in google now, and it looks like your wifi is responsible for the rest of the wakelocks i.e., dont keep it on. I really, REALLY, don't understand why android has to have this retarded battery draining wakelock.
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Ehh...3%/hour actually isn't bad, but it's also not good, if you're not using the device for anything during that time.

Yeah I'm sleeping the phone isn't doing anything...I thought leaving WiFi on was much better than having it on data

Mine was having the same problem since then I've disabled and reenabled the Google location after uninstalling and reinstalling the Google services and some of the Google applications and right now it seems like I have no more of the battery drain problem plus I used the root exploit and xposed on top of titanium backup and I froze a lot of the Verizon bloatware and a few of the Google Apps that came stock on the phone and since then I've not had a problem
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pettigrew95 said:
Yeah I'm sleeping the phone isn't doing anything...I thought leaving WiFi on was much better than having it on data
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I get about .7% per hour I turn off data and autosync with tasker at night. Don't leave either one on, wifi has wake lock issues and you will kill your battery faster. Use wifi when you need it only, because lte/3g has fast dormancy.

123421342 said:
I get about .7% per hour I turn off data and autosync with tasker at night. Don't leave either one on, wifi has wake lock issues and you will kill your battery faster. Use wifi when you need it only, because lte/3g has fast dormancy.
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Is that new? Keeping wifi on used to SAVE battery.

Saves battery sometimes when you are using data not when your phone is supposed to be in deep sleep
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what on earth is keeping my phone awake? wakelock detector screenshots included.

I recently installed wakelock detector to help me save battery life with greenify. Looking at what it says it seems my phone never goes into deep sleep. This screenshot only shows the past hour and a half as before that I greenified things that looked like it might be causing the problem, but it looks the same now as it did before, 0.0 of deep sleep no matter how long I leave it, but none of the listed wakelocks seem to be that long, so I can't figure out why my phone wouldn't be deep sleeping.
Its a rooted Sony Xperia e4 running 4.4.4
Any thoughts?

You should also check Settings -> Battery -> tap on battery graph to open History details. There can be some dependencies between 'Awake' data and other data. Or you can post the screenshot of it here.

Hi, Sorry it took so long for me to respond, I was hoping to get a screenshot from a period where I hadn't touched my phone for longer but I kept forgetting at night time. I notice this time it actually says my screen has been on the whole time (though I never used it in this period at all, and when I picked it up the screen was off) So I have also included a screenshot of the screen wakelock page. Frustratingly, a lot of the things on the cpu wakelock page are already greenified and I manually hibernated them before turning the screen off, so not sure why they are still causing issues.
Either way, none of it adds up to the time awake

I posted a reply on this earlier but it seems to have disappeared. Anyway, I installed betterbatterystats and it showed that *backup* was keeping my phone from sleeping.
Google suggests it isn't altogether unconmon, and following some instructions I found I disabled back up, cleaeed dalvik cache and enabled back up again
So far its worked brilliantly, hopefully it stays that way.

Just an update on case anyone googkes and reads my solution above, it didn't work. Restarting my phone makes it go away for a little while and my phone gets plenty of deep sleep even in only a short space of time, but then *backup* comes back and its all over again. I can't keep restarting my phone every couple of hours. Maybe turning backuo off permanently will help, but then I have no backups, so hardly av good solution.

Hi,
*backup* is a wakelock from Google's Backup service. Wakelocks are so crazy because it regularly backups your data (such as Contacts, your Play Games' progresses, WiFi passwords, app data, etc) to Google's server. Disabling this equals to no longer having up-to-date backups.
You could actually disable the automatic backup, but make sure you backup your data periodically.
It's better for me to use BBS instead for checking for wakelocks.
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krasCGQ said:
Hi,
*backup* is a wakelock from Google's Backup service. Wakelocks are so crazy because it regularly backups your data (such as Contacts, your Play Games' progresses, WiFi passwords, app data, etc) to Google's server. Disabling this equals to no longer having up-to-date backups.
You could actually disable the automatic backup, but make sure you backup your data periodically.
It's better for me to use BBS instead for checking for wakelocks.
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Yes I've found BBS better to, never would have found the problem otherwise. I turned off back up maybe 13 hours ago and so far so good. Not the ideal solution though eh. Hopefully google will fix it soon