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[DISCUSSION] Android 5.0 for our devices.

Android 5.0 is codenamed key lime pie and would already be running perfectly on a device which has only 512mb of ram, so i wanted to make a thread dedicated to any news about our device and Android 5.0, it should be going live in October. Sony Helpdesk didn't give any information yet about it when i contacted them ;(.
Any rumours, speculations can be posted here.
Do you think it is likely our device's are getting Android 5.0?

I am sure they won't EVER be getting official 5.0. Most likely will get with xda and Cyanogenmod though.

Option58 said:
I am sure they won't EVER be getting official 5.0. Most likely will get with xda and Cyanogenmod though.
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Fxp already didnt release cm10.1 for 512 mb RAM devices ...
So I think we wount get fully functional version of lime pie
But its too soon to know
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andro-SYR said:
Fxp already didnt release cm10.1 for 512 mb RAM devices ...
So I think we wount get fully functional version of lime pie
But its too soon to know
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Well most sites say that 5.0 is optimized for low-end devices etc, so it would be sad if we wont get this version

sidle said:
Well most sites say that 5.0 is optimized for low-end devices etc, so it would be sad if we wont get this version
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If our device's hardware possible to get KLP, i think it wont due to Japanese market strategy. So, they encourage us to buy newer device. :thumbdown:
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Our devices haven't even got 4.2 yet. I think it's too early to expect 5.0 .
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Man, tipo can handle ICS ok, Jelly Bean has Project Butter, so it's verry smooth, why Key Lime Pie can't run on our devices?

Well it ain't confirmed that key lime pie would be released. And the news in the web are rumour. So don't post knowing something correctly..
No offence and hard feelings

MZay said:
Well it ain't confirmed that key lime pie would be released. And the news in the web are rumour. So don't post knowing something correctly..
No offence and hard feelings
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Correct, but this discussion is based on internet roumours.
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It will released with Google Console, smart watch and New Nexus 5!!!
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Whats the benefit on android 5, if you cant even play video properly on custom kernel? Unless devs work on making custom kernel run as smooth as stock sony , fixing gsm / 3g video call, hardware decoding, I think stock is better option for now. No bootloader unlocking for me.
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sidle said:
Android 5.0 is codenamed key lime pie and would already be running perfectly on a device which has only 512mb of ram, so i wanted to make a thread dedicated to any news about our device and Android 5.0, it should be going live in October. Sony Helpdesk didn't give any information yet about it when i contacted them ;(.
Any rumours, speculations can be posted here.
Do you think it is likely our device's are getting Android 5.0?
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Xperia Tipo/Miro will definitely not be getting official Android 4.1 and beyond.
You guys already reached EOL. (end of life)
Xperia J and E will most likely also end at Android 4.1.
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Well I think the Xperia tipo deserves 1 update for a less, we need to create a post and send up to Sony and Qualcomm, to dispel all the answer!! Is hard to see the Sony release device only whit 1 update like Xperia j and nothing like miro, tipo and tipo dual is not fair because we pay for her product they don't give us free
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ruben21 said:
Well I think the Xperia tipo deserves 1 update for a less, we need to create a post and send up to Sony and Qualcomm, to dispel all the answer!! Is hard to see the Sony release device only whit 1 update like Xperia j and nothing like miro, tipo and tipo dual is not fair because we pay for her product they don't give us free
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It will never happen. Sony will never ever upgrade Xperia Tipo and Miro to 4.1 and beyond. Xperia Tipo and Miro reached EOL (end of life) and it's Sony's least priority. Only bug fixes from now on. There will not be update to add new Walkman apps etc or upgrade to Android 4.1 and beyond.

Well it is kind of sorrow, when you know that your device is end, and you don't even own him for a year. Since there won't be any further official upgrades it would be nice to unlock our phones and bootloaders with some kind of OTA update only for that.
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What end? Maybe Key Lime Pie need required hardware lower than Jelly Bean.
Android 5.0 is Google 5th android yet.
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KennethTan20 said:
What end? Maybe Key Lime Pie need required hardware lower than Jelly Bean.
Android 5.0 is Google 5th android yet.
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That depends on sony, if they ever decide to give us updates. Heh, even x8 just stayed at 2.1 even though everyone else got gb.
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zzztidurvirus said:
That depends on sony, if they ever decide to give us updates. Heh, even x8 just stayed at 2.1 even though everyone else got gb.
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It's the end for your phone. X10 received it because it was Sony's previous flagship. Xperia Tipo is Sony's lowest, cheapest phone. Let's be realistic, you guys will remain on 4.0 ICS forever.
KennethTan20 said:
What end? Maybe Key Lime Pie need required hardware lower than Jelly Bean.
Android 5.0 is Google 5th android yet.
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Me? I dont mind staying on ics, as long as its official. If i really want android 5, i really should wait and buy 5.0 out-of-box device.
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I highly doubt that any sony device will get JB 4.3, exept Z, Z Ultra and Honami I1. Maybe these phones will be the only phones that will get upgrade for a newer version
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[Xperia L] [Confirmed] We will get android 4.3

Confirmed by sony mobile argentina we will get android 4.3 for our xperia L in November.
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https://www.facebook.com/sonymobilear/posts/647528258613040
Translation:
Sony Mobile AR Hi Caro, for now only version 4.1 is available but version 4.3 is expected by mid-November. Greetings!
Now we just have to wait.

whow!! Its a bloody great news! If they hoping to release it in November its probably gonna be in December! Fingers crossed for the ultimate JB experiance!

Let's see if the problem in kernel for cwm for locked bl is resolved and the developers are able to bring it to us. :fingers-crossed:

Grrrrreat news!
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Ohh, great Sony you just made my day. If we receive 4.3 then I can wait half a year for 4.4

A commentator on xperiablog posted a screenshot that sonymobile ar made a mistake and it is actually 4.2.2. 4.3 is for z family by mid december
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Nice Info :good:

Wow this is great news....I hope sony fix the restart issue when headphones are plugged in..:fingers-crossed:

Sony Mobile AR: Hello Hernan!, by the time is aviable version is 4.1, but version 4.2 is expected by mid-november. Greetings!(edited)
Sony Mobile AR: Hello Hernan! We CONFIRM! you the version who is going to be aviable in november is going to be ther 4.2. ¡We apologize for the error!
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amnher said:
Sony Mobile AR: Hello Hernan!, by the time is aviable version is 4.1, but version 4.2 is expected by mid-november. Greetings!(edited)
Sony Mobile AR: Hello Hernan! We CONFIRM! you the version who is going to be aviable in november is going to be ther 4.2. ¡We apologize for the error!
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So the above message was after this one!? :silly:

No They Have Edited Their Comment.......
Check It Once Again..

Here is the whole screenshot of the editted conversation

So what we guys withe the kitchen roms await, is actually Sony to release 4.3 for the Z so the Xda will port it to the L/ M. Cause lets face it: who cares for 4.2 on our phones once 4.3 is out for the Z's?

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Here is the whole screenshot of the editted conversation
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I do , android 4.3 of Xperia z may have issues if we port to Xperia L
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I don't think Sony will release 4.2.2 for us.They announced the official list for 4.2.2 long time ago and XL wasn't on that list.At the end of the post they said that some devices that aren't in that list will skip 4.2.2 and jump directly to 4.3.As 4.3 is kinda out I don't see why Sony would work at 4.2.2 for XL...maybe just some marketing technique...Anyway,we'll live and see what Sony prepared us.
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Marius Cristian said:
I don't think Sony will release 4.2.2 for us.They announced the official list for 4.2.2 long time ago and XL wasn't on that list.At the end of the post they said that some devices that aren't in that list will skip 4.2.2 and jump directly to 4.3.As 4.3 is kinda out I don't see why Sony would work at 4.2.2 for XL...maybe just some marketing technique...Anyway,we'll live and see what Sony prepared us.
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I am sure that we will get either 4.2.2 or 4.3 by mid November..100% sure
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Marius Cristian said:
I don't think Sony will release 4.2.2 for us.They announced the official list for 4.2.2 long time ago and XL wasn't on that list.At the end of the post they said that some devices that aren't in that list will skip 4.2.2 and jump directly to 4.3.As 4.3 is kinda out I don't see why Sony would work at 4.2.2 for XL...maybe just some marketing technique...Anyway,we'll live and see what Sony prepared us.
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Sparksys said:
I do , android 4.3 of Xperia z may have issues if we port to Xperia L
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BLiapis said:
So what we guys withe the kitchen roms await, is actually Sony to release 4.3 for the Z so the Xda will port it to the L/ M. Cause lets face it: who cares for 4.2 on our phones once 4.3 is out for the Z's?
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Here is the whole screenshot of the editted conversation
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Sparksys said:
I am sure that we will get either 4.2.2 or 4.3 by mid November..100% sure
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Mrcl1450 said:
Confirmed by sony mobile argentina we will get android 4.3 for our xperia L in November.
https://www.facebook.com/sonymobilear/posts/647528258613040
Translation:
Sony Mobile AR Hi Caro, for now only version 4.1 is available but version 4.3 is expected by mid-November. Greetings!
Now we just have to wait.
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The Sony only updates firmware once in lower and mid range phones. So if you get 4.1 out of box, you will get one update to 4.3 or 4.2.2 !
I will go with 4.2.2 to be the end of Xperia L life.
This means that there is a slight chance that we will get anything more than one major update! We will get some small fixes but that will be that !
We will still be at 4.2.2 and receive one to two minor updates for bugs. Thus, thinking that we will also get another major update is out of question !
I hope they do but the chances are very small. They will put up an excuse that hardware doesnot support or anything.
Xperia U and Samsung Galaxy S3 mini has same NovaThor but Sony claimed that NovaThor can not run Jelly Bean but surprisingly S3 mini does ! Samsung updates their phone to JB with same NovaThor but Sony didnot.
Even, JB was ported to Xperia U from Xperia P and it worked great but had battery issues. I think if Sony had taken the initiative, they could have easily done that. But sony doesnot do that. We will be extremely lucky to get another update to Xperia L after 4.2.2 ! Minor bug fixes would be there but nothing more. That's one of the reason I do not like Sony. They make great phones but lack the energy to give timely updates to all of their devices. Also, this is a way to make people buy new phones !
UPDATE :
I reread the article and found out that the real culprit was GPU.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=46622516&postcount=27

Hnk1 said:
The Sony only updates firmware once in lower and mid range phones. So if you get 4.1 out of box, you will get one update to 4.3 or 4.2.2 !
I will go with 4.2.2 to be the end of Xperia L life.
This means that there is a slight chance that we will get anything more than one major update! We will get some small fixes but that will be that !
We will still be at 4.2.2 and receive one to two minor updates for bugs. Thus, thinking that we will also get another major update is out of question !
I hope they do but the chances are very small. They will put up an excuse that hardware doesnot support or anything.
Xperia U and Samsung Galaxy S3 mini has same NovaThor but Sony claimed that NovaThor can not run Jelly Bean but surprisingly S3 mini does ! Samsung updates their phone to JB with same NovaThor but Sony didnot.
LIARS! Even, JB was ported to Xperia U from Xperia P and it worked great but had battery issues. I think if Sony had taken the initiative, they could have easily done that. But sony doesnot do that. We will be extremely lucky to get another update to Xperia L after 4.2.2 ! Minor bug fixes would be there but nothing more. That's one of the reason I do not like Sony. They make great phones but lack the energy to give timely updates to all of their devices. Also, this is a way to make people buy new phones !
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Well actually Sony gave low internal memory of Xperia U as a reason for not giving update. Xperia P has same chipset but it got 4.1 update officialy.

shivamk11 said:
Well actually Sony gave low internal memory of Xperia U as a reason for not giving update. Xperia P has same chipset but it got 4.1 update officialy.
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Yes that simply blamed the hardware.
Look at this, now even the battery life has been tweeked. Complete Rom which Sony could easily have worked on !
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2284394

@Hnk1
I totally agree with you, Sony's more busy working with bringing up New devices instead of working on updates. Well basically they just want users to buy newer phones with newer features :L they really shouldn't do that, this is my first and last Sony phone.
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Good News!Android 4.4 for 2012 xperias.

Kit Kat is all ready on 2012 Xperias?
Official Sony:Source
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it doesnt mention our device...

+1

is there anybody else here who knows English and didn't find our devices listed?
have some brains before before posting stuff like this... don't just give false hopes to these people..
our SINGLE cored devices can't even control jellybean 4.2 so what makes you think Sony will directly update to 4.4...please try to understand the fact that to stay updated in the world of Android, you will have to keep on upgrading our devices (budget phones ')
and furthermore, our devices cannot handle the openGL of 4.3.. then how come the OP says there's an update to 4.4
i demand an explanation from the Op. just show me the clause where Sony says that there would be an update to 4.4 or 4.3,..
thank me if I helped you...
thank you

mathewsj114 said:
is there anybody else here who knows English and didn't find our devices listed?
have some brains before before posting stuff like this... don't just give false hopes to these people..
our SINGLE cored devices can't even control jellybean 4.2 so what makes you think Sony will directly update to 4.4...please try to understand the fact that to stay updated in the world of Android, you will have to keep on upgrading our devices (budget phones ')
and furthermore, our devices cannot handle the openGL of 4.3.. then how come the OP says there's an update to 4.4
i demand an explanation from the Op. just show me the clause where Sony says that there would be an update to 4.4 or 4.3,..
thank me if I helped you...
thank you
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your wrong,our phones dont have suport from qualcom on 4.1.2+,its posibole to get 4.4 i will done it soon but first i need to make 3.4 kernel half stabile

mathewsj114 said:
is there anybody else here who knows English and didn't find our devices listed?
have some brains before before posting stuff like this... don't just give false hopes to these people..
our SINGLE cored devices can't even control jellybean 4.2 so what makes you think Sony will directly update to 4.4...please try to understand the fact that to stay updated in the world of Android, you will have to keep on upgrading our devices (budget phones ')
and furthermore, our devices cannot handle the openGL of 4.3.. then how come the OP says there's an update to 4.4
i demand an explanation from the Op. just show me the clause where Sony says that there would be an update to 4.4 or 4.3,..
thank me if I helped you...
thank you
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You don't need openGL ES 3 gpu to run KitKat. And our devices can control even 4.3 perfectly, Lg L5 has Snapdragon S1 like our devices and works perfect (but it has ram issues because of 4.3 gapps), and they are porting 4.4 because it requieres less resources.
Sony won't update a older phone than Xperia Z, ZU, ZL, Tablet Z etc... because its market strategy is don't update devices. Even RAM isn't an issue for no update, 4.4 is designed to run perfect with 512mb ram devices.
My Xperia tipo will be the last, and the first sony device I buy.

Sony itself won't give a damn about Tipo and that category models,it's up to the developers to do their tricks and bring us KitKat

Oh Odin why??
KennethTan20 said:
Kit Kat is all ready on 2012 Xperias?
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No support for our Xperias with S1 processor and for phones released more than 18 months ago

madprofessorus said:
Sony itself won't give a damn about non lastest high-end phones, before xperia Z,it's up to the developers to do their tricks and bring us KitKat
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Sony is one of the worst companies, I realize that after some months after buying tipo...

Even xperia sp wont get kitkat ,also xperia l wont get atleast 4.3.so its just a middle finger to all the 2013 non high end phones too.
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Ketcchup said:
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Sony is one of the worst companies, I realize that after some months after buying tipo...
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Me if I hadn't installed a custom Rom I would throw my tipo out of a window... It was tragic
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Xperia J/miro/tipo are not in the list of devices with planned update to KitKat.

well sorry if I was wrong about the openGL..
I thought 4.4 too wouldn't work...

To desire nikez have made 4.3 with kernel 2.8. And xperia Miro is better than HTC desire.
He is porting kit kat to it right now and it's not even with kernel 3
So it can not be impossible.
But it's a realy hard job
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henrikht said:
To desire nikez have made 4.3 with kernel 2.8. And xperia Miro is better than HTC desire.
He is porting kit kat to it right now and it's not even with kernel 3
So it can not be impossible.
But it's a realy hard job
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one thing we have sources for 3.4 kernel and our dirvers are writen for 3.4 kernel thats way we need to inporve 3.4

Moved to Q&A, as it is a question after all
Also, I think the Question is answered, that these devices will most likely not get updated.
(I personally don't think so, too TBH)
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opinion ** 4.3 coming **

samsung releasing 4.2.2 to all the countrys .. it happens just if there is an upgrade ..specialy the allmost all country ... and i'm hopping for 4.4

nanoteam said:
samsung releasing 4.2.2 to all the countrys .. it happens just if there is an upgrade ..specialy the allmost all country ... and i'm hopping for 4.4
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I think the first device, wich gets 4.4 is note 3. But maybe they are just rolling out 4.2.2, because UBMI3 is now stable enough for everyone? But if we really get an update, I heard that the kernel maybe will be 3.4 :good:

i hope so too ...

right now with all the 4.3 issues on S3, I think that if we are ever going to get an upgrade, it will be directly 4.4 :angel:

There will be no such thing. 4.2.2. is the end of the road

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There will be no such thing. 4.2.2. is the end of the road
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Yep,obviously you are right @OurJerry i do believe the same. 4.2.2 is the last update for our device. No other latest Android version will be blessed to our device.

I asked samsung and they said thay don't know yet. I guess it means no
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android.zealot.fervor said:
Yep,obviously you are right @OurJerry i do believe the same. 4.2.2 is the last update for our device. No other latest Android version will be blessed to our device.
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i don't think so
the S2 was shipped with 2.3.6 and then they get 4.0.4 and after that jelly bean so why would we only get 1 upgrade

Because. In the past the s 2 was Samsung's flagship device and so they have to keep the customers stay.
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Nekator said:
Because. In the past the s 2 was Samsung's flagship device and so they have to keep the customers stay.
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Yeah okey we will see stay positive
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Although it is a probability that 4.2.2 maybe the last update for the S2 Plus, its quite unreasonable for them to do that considering the device coming out only in the beginning of this year, Most Android devices would get support for around 18 months after their initial release.. almost 12 months have gone, so it probably will be 6 months or something that they could release an update. But its likely that they might not. Who knows?

4.2.2 is th end

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4.2.2 is th end
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Maloom ahvi

Not every phone has that 18 months promise. Especially our low activity device
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samsung has to support every phone for 18 months ... it is true see this
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/12/06...ace-3-galaxy-core-and-other-low-cost-devices/
..but maybe we are not geting 4.4 .. but i'm sure will get 4.3 update .. it is samsung guys ... the best in support .. i hope

i think will get 4.3 ..and we wont get 4.4 ... unless jb 5 ..released .. before 18 months expired ..

We will get most of the 4.4 goodies in all the ported roms, thanks to more devs for our phone.

I talked to samsung the said there will be 4.3 nd 4.4 for our lovely device
Here is the conversation...
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SmartphoneRevolution+ said:
I talked to samsung the said there will be 4.3 nd 4.4 for our lovely device
Here is the conversation...
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And when, because in january whe will have 12 month of suport for s2 plus from total of 18 month.In 6 month they will release 4.3 and 4.4 four our device when 4.2.2 not even was released for all country/region?
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Android M Preview out

Hopefully someone can port to i9505
http://developer.android.com/preview/download.html

Zehlek said:
Hopefully someone can port to i9505
http://developer.android.com/preview/download.html
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I was also curious that will our device support CM13?
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MZO said:
I was also curious that will our device support CM13?
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i dont see why it wouldn't

I believe you need the source code. You have to wait for the final release that Google makes available, the most you can do is a dump and catch the apk's

braulio_holtz said:
I believe you need the source code. You have to wait for the final release that Google makes available, the most you can do is a dump and catch the apk's
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Google released the sources
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Is it likely to come out for GS4?

skezza said:
Is it likely to come out for GS4?
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Most likely only if someone ports it

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Most likely only if someone ports it
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Ok. How likely is that?

skezza said:
Ok. How likely is that?
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Should be very likely.
There were ports of ICS and Kitkat for my old LG P350 device. Why wouldn't there be ports for M. The S4 should run it just fine.

I would be satisfied if s4 gets all L updates cause android M wont be released almost 100% for s4...or maxbe samsung has some other thoughts [emoji14]

After I saw that Google released the source code, just do not know if it is 100% platform ....It would be nice at least be able to use part of the optimization of ART and battery (doze project). I'm using the GearCM (optimized version of CyanogenMod) for i9500 ... is that changing the manifest can do a partial port?

I might try build it, see what the crack is.

hare89 said:
I would be satisfied if s4 gets all L updates cause android M wont be released almost 100% for s4...or maxbe samsung has some other thoughts [emoji14]
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Why do u think it wont ?

De Da said:
Why do u think it wont ?
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He is talking about official manufacturer release.
Generally, after 18 months the manufacturer drops update development for a phone. It's been 2 years since the S4 released. Samsung already has 2 devices on which they have to work + their next flag ship.
I doubt they are going to spend more time on our 2 year old device.
We will surely get AOSP versions of M but official samsung version might be unlikely.

GDReaper said:
He is talking about official manufacturer release.
Generally, after 18 months the manufacturer drops update development for a phone. It's been 2 years since the S4 released. Samsung already has 2 devices on which they have to work + their next flag ship.
I doubt they are going to spend more time on our 2 year old device.
We will surely get AOSP versions of M but official samsung version might be unlikely.
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The problem with AOSP versions they all seem to be buggy

skezza said:
The problem with AOSP versions they all seem to be buggy
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How come
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De Da said:
Why do u think it wont ?
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I'm pretty sure there won't be any official Touchwiz M for the S4 and considering the fact that 5.1 isn't even out for the google play edition S4... i'm pretty sure the GPE model will not see M either.

Yeah probably s4 stops at L,s5 will probably get M too.

Android 'Biggest update ever' failed badly, now Google should get serious about the quality of updates.

we need the Camera API 2.0 by Samsung, so we will use a perfect version of the next cm13 rom!!! i really hate the bad quality of camera apps in CM 12.1 !!!!!!