Since Android is not an iPhone and it's less protected I suggest to make a password access to fastboot mode. Cause when you a robbed your phone can be easily wiped and reused. To prevent it, I ask devs to make kinda of protection for our phones(to make my idea possible). For example if you forgot your password you could write your name to unlock it. Just a crazy idea. I had 2 phones stolen and I don't want to have my nexus to be stolen too. Thanks for attention
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Since Android is not an iPhone and it's less protected I suggest to make a password access to fastboot mode. Cause when you a robbed your phone can be easily wiped and reused. To prevent it, I ask devs to make kinda of protection for our phones(to make my idea possible). For example if you forgot your password you could write your name to unlock it. Just a crazy idea. I had 2 phones stolen and I don't want to have my nexus to be stolen too. Thanks for attention
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custom recoveries do have a password protection option, fastboot will never have it. but android isnt less secure than the iphone, youve been reading pro apple information. android is actually safer.
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custom recoveries do have a password protection option, fastboot will never have it. but android isnt less secure than the iphone, youve been reading pro apple information. android is actually safer.
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I know about recoveries, yes they have. But it's possible to wipe data even without using recovery or am I missing something? Wipe data means losing your phone. iPhones cannot be activated without an account. You need only a password on a lockscreen and thats it. Without knowing password or account it's impossible to make it working.
Backup is data loss protection. Password is data theft protection.
Someone who knows what they're doing can get data off an iPhone, don't worry about that
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I know about recoveries, yes they have. But it's possible to wipe data even without using recovery or am I missing something? Wipe data means losing your phone. iPhones cannot be activated without an account. You need only a password on a lockscreen and thats it. Without knowing password or account it's impossible to make it working.
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theres a factory reset option in the main phone settings, backup and reset. theres also a backup option there that will restore everything(data and apps) when you do factory reset. if you password protect your phone, its secure as well.
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Backup is data loss protection. Password is data theft protection.
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I don't worry about my data, I always have a backup on my cloud or computer. We have a soft from google called "Android device manager". I think it's useful but it won't work after a data wipe. All I want to have is to block wipe data option from anywhere. So chances to find my phone will increase
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theres a factory reset option in the main phone settings, backup and reset. theres also a backup option there that will restore everything(data and apps) when you do factory reset. if you password protect your phone, its secure as well.
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I got it .I have lockscreen password and for example I have a recovery protection. Isn't it possible to flash phone and use it as it was out of box?
Wont be possible as fastboot can never be locked.
Best bet would be to get an app like pray that can be modified to read and save data in /system as that has more chance of being overlooked.
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I got it .I have lockscreen password and for example I have a recovery protection. Isn't it possible to flash phone and use it as it was out of box?
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if its password protected, not through recovery then. but its possible via fastboot. but even if your phone gets the factory image flashed onto it, the moment you log back into your phone, your apps will reinstall, and if you enabled the data backup, most your data will get restored as well.
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if its password protected, not through recovery then. but its possible via fastboot. but even if your phone gets the factory image flashed onto it, the moment you log back into your phone, your apps will reinstall, and if you enabled the data backup, most your data will get restored as well.
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Thanks for your help. As I understood it's impossible to make phone safer. It's possible to find how to make it clear..
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Thanks for your help. As I understood it's impossible to make phone safer. It's possible to find how to make it clear..
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if someone really wants to access your phone, whether its an android or an iphone, they can do it. but to the everyday normal person, its very hard.
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apparantly i locked my TB with a pin code and woke up this morning and now i cant get into it at all. after 60 tries i thought it would ask me to enter my google account email and pw which i have but it hasnt. anyway to get past this??
Well that really sucks forgetting your pin code, but if it were easily worked around, it wouldn't be much of a security system, so it's not easy.
This Google help forum thread might help you out: http://www.google.com.tw/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=1889ba0fa1e29183&hl=en
If you're rooted, with adb access you might be able to clear something in the system to reset it, but I'm not sure where to start with that if it's even an option.
Factory reset will certainly get you back into the phone, and shouldn't wipe your sdcard data, but I'd pull it out before resetting just to be safe.
thanks i appreciate it. i just cant believe after 75 tries it doesnt tell you to enter your gmail account info to get into the phone. i thought all androids did that
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thanks i appreciate it. i just cant believe after 75 tries it doesnt tell you to enter your gmail account info to get into the phone. i thought all androids did that
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Yes, that's unusual.
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thanks i appreciate it. i just cant believe after 75 tries it doesnt tell you to enter your gmail account info to get into the phone. i thought all androids did that
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yeah. both my OG Droid and Fascinate made me type my Google credentials after a certain number of failed tries. Call VZW and see if there is a workaround. Keep us posted!
If you are rooted and using ClockWorkMod, u could restore a backup, that uses no pin or an old pin.
If you do have CWM and a earlier backup, I would perform a backup and then restore the earlier backup.
if you can do that and get into the OS again, you might be able to Run Advanced Restore in CWM and just restore the Data Partition from the backup of the pin locked one. (this is just a guess, Im not sure where the pin is saved but this may be the best way to not loose data)
So guys I just had my Nexus 5 stolen at the gym a couple of days ago, I'm very furious about it... I'm unable to track the device with Android Device Manager because the device was dead at the time it had been stolen and probably hasn't been turned on since.
As I imagine the thief will probably fastboot the phone and erase everything, before ever turning it on, or selling it.
My question is, is there not a way to put a startup password on the phone to prevent bootloader/download mode/adb/fastboot access to the phone?
I am also very upset because I called into Google, and there is absolutely no way to have the phones Serial/IMEI "flagged" or "blocked" with Google. Which would be technically such a simple system to implement.
This means that all those people who have had their Nexus 5's stolen, the device can just be re-registered with another Google account at a later date and nobody will blink an eye.
Views? Suggestions?
Thanks
Wow that sucks you can encrypt your phone that requires a password to startup you may have to have a password to enter fastboot if you encrypt it not sure never done it
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Call your carrier to have the IMEI blacklisted. Google can not do this. It's your carrier's job to blacklist.
black listing the IMEI won't prevent somebody from re-registering that device with another Google account though. As it seem Google doesn't track or flag stolen Serial/IMEI.
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blacDoes encrypting the phone ask for a password at startup?
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Yes.
THE_KINGDOM said:
black listing the IMEI won't prevent somebody from re-registering that device with another Google account though. As it seem Google doesn't track or flag stolen Serial/IMEI.
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no, but it will prevent the thief from using it on any US or Canadian carrier.
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black listing the IMEI won't prevent somebody from re-registering that device with another Google account though. As it seem Google doesn't track or flag stolen Serial/IMEI.
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can still flash the factory img in the bootloader and not worry about the encryption. also, every single person ive known that has encrypted, eventually(weeks/months) got locked out of their own phones eventually because it wouldnt except a password, and had to flash the factory img.
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no, but it will prevent the thief from using it on any US or Canadian carrier.
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can still flash the factory img in the bootloader and not worry about the encryption. also, every single person ive known that has encrypted, eventually(weeks/months) got locked out of their own phones eventually because it wouldnt except a password, and had to flash the factory img.
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Right but the whole point of encrypting is to protect the data not the device. So if a thief has to wipe the device to get rid of the encryption then he won't be able to access the data. It's gone.
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Right but the whole point of encrypting is to protect the data not the device. So if a thief has to wipe the device to get rid of the encryption then he won't be able to access the data. It's gone.
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no, its not gone. its relatively easy to recover the data, even after a factory reset, if the thief wanted to. unless the data is written over.
There is an app here on XDA as well as the play store called "bootunlocker" that allows you to lock and unlock your bootloader. Newer versions of Trickster MOD also do this. This way, if someone finds your phone and fastboot OEM unlocks it, it will wipe everything. The only thing we need to do at this point is secure the recovery. As no one seems to think a password protected recovery is necessary as no one has made one, you would have to flash the stock recovery.
If you need to make a nandroid then you would need to unlock and flash custom. This is the only way I can think of to fully ensure data gets wiped in the event someone really knows what they're doing. I might go this route, at least for a little bit to try it out
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There is an app here on XDA as well as the play store called "bootunlocker" that allows you to lock and unlock your bootloader. Newer versions of Trickster MOD also do this. This way, if someone finds your phone and fastboot OEM unlocks it, it will wipe everything. The only thing we need to do at this point is secure the recovery. As no one seems to think a password protected recovery is necessary as no one has made one, you would have to flash the stock recovery.
If you need to make a nandroid then you would need to unlock and flash custom. This is the only way I can think of to fully ensure data gets wiped in the event someone really knows what they're doing. I might go this route, at least for a little bit to try it out
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wiping isnt a solution, as the wiped data is easily recoverable. and password protection for a recovery exists as well, twrp has it. and it also wont help as all you would have to do is flash another recovery via fastboot.
btw, heres a recent article about recovering data from a wiped phone http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/8/5881573/test-shows-data-can-be-recovered-from-wiped-android-phones
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no, its not gone. its relatively easy to recover the data, even after a factory reset, if the thief wanted to. unless the data is written over.
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Fairly easy as in yes, I could do it. Fairly easy as in a random thief on the street, probably too much trouble and effort.
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wiping isnt a solution, as the wiped data is easily recoverable. and password protection for a recovery exists as well, twrp has it. and it also wont help as all you would have to do is flash another recovery via fastboot.
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That's why the boatloader is locked. Yep, TWRP implemented Philz recovery lock.
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rootSU said:
That's why the boatloader is locked. Yep, TWRP implemented Philz recovery lock.
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Haven't tried it, but what happens if you just flash another recovery?
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Haven't tried it, but what happens if you just flash another recovery?
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How could you flash another recovery?
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How could you flash another recovery?
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If your bootloader wasn't locked lol
Lethargy said:
If your bootloader wasn't locked lol
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Obviously recovery lock is pointless if either android or bootloader is unlocked.
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I say keep trying to locate the device with the Android Device Manager. The thief might not have charged it yet, or even won't at all. Might not be charged until someone buys it. Keep trying, and good luck.
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Fairly easy as in yes, I could do it. Fairly easy as in a random thief on the street, probably too much trouble and effort.
That's why the boatloader is locked. Yep, TWRP implemented Philz recovery lock.
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the average theif, i absolutely agree. they want to steal the device and collect money for it. but if someone is specifically looking for your data, now that doesnt sound like the average thief, thats who i would want to keep away.
bootloader locked, then unlocked, back to that data being recoverable, not by your average thief.
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the average theif, i absolutely agree. they want to steal the device and collect money for it. but if someone is specifically looking for your data, now that doesnt sound like the average thief, thats who i would want to keep away.
bootloader locked, then unlocked, back to that data being recoverable, not by your average thief.
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As I've said to you in another thread, there's no protection against that and that's the same with any file system.
Working on national security issues? Don't save data on your phone.
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As I've said to you in another thread, there's no protection against that and that's the same with any file system.
Working on national security issues? Don't save data on your phone.
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lmao!
whats funny is that either we misunderstood each other, or a penguin was just spotted in the sahara desert(lol), because what you said is what i keep trying to say, theres no real protection. the best protection is that tbe average person doesnt have enough knowledge, patience, time to go after your data on a serious level. but those that are specifically targeting you for your data, those are who you should fear, as the data can be gotten to, if they really want to get it.
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if they really want to get it
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It's all in the "if"
In my opinion the only worth protecting against would be the sneaky little brother or sister.
Hello,
I have Oneplus One 64 gb variant, yesterday my nephew somehow changed my phone's lock pattern and now my phone is locked. USB debugging was disabled at that time. I am not able to get into my phone through any means. I have lot of important data in my phone and don't want to hard reset my device. Also I don't have any custom recovery installed on my phone. I don't know how to get a backup of my data. Any help will be appreciated. Please help me get my precious data back.
Thanks in advance.
Dush123 said:
Hello,
I have Oneplus One 64 gb variant, yesterday my nephew somehow changed my phone's lock pattern and now my phone is locked. USB debugging was disabled at that time. I am not able to get into my phone through any means. I have lot of important data in my phone and don't want to hard reset my device. Also I don't have any custom recovery installed on my phone. I don't know how to get a backup of my data. Any help will be appreciated. Please help me get my precious data back.
Thanks in advance.
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If you still have internet access on the device, you can try entering the pattern over and over incorrectly until the "forgot password" button appears. You'll then be able to sign in to your gmail account and reset the password without losing any data.
Freewander10 said:
If you still have internet access on the device, you can try entering the pattern over and over incorrectly until the "forgot password" button appears. You'll then be able to sign in to your gmail account and reset the password without losing any data.
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In Cm13s this "forgot pattern" option has been disabled for god knows what reasons. I have attempted to unlock 85 times and still counting but still no option has presented itself.
Dush123 said:
In Cm13s this "forgot pattern" option has been disabled for god knows what reasons. I have attempted to unlock 85 times and still counting but still no option has presented itself.
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How are you using CM 13 without a custom recovery?
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How are you using CM 13 without a custom recovery?
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Its not cm13 , I mis spoke . it's android 6.0 but still there is no forgot pattern option.
Dush123 said:
Its not cm13 , I mis spoke . it's android 6.0 but still there is no forgot pattern option.
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Oh.
Some custom recoveries give you the option to backup your data to the SD card. You could check if that's available in yours.
I'm not sure if its gonna backup everything (similar to a nandroid backup) or just your apps+their data.
If its the latter then you can backup->wipe device->restore. If its the former though, then there's not much point as the password would've gotten backed up as well.
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Oh.
Some custom recoveries give you the option to backup your data to the SD card. You could check if that's available in yours.
I'm not sure if its gonna backup everything (similar to a nandroid backup) or just your apps+their data.
If its the latter then you can backup->wipe device->restore. If its the former though, then there's not much point as the password would've gotten backed up as well.
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Was unable to backup anything through recovery as well. Had to hard reset my device.
Thanks anyways
Hello there,
Unfortunately I deleted an important video from my Verizon note 5. I been trying to recover the video for two days but no luck. I tried Samsung Data recovery, dr.fone, Recuva, and many different software. I came to the conclusion it's not possible without rooting my device which I would if I know how,but from what I read there was no successful way to root the Verizon version. Any idea, or a recommendation would be really appreciated.
Thank you!!
John774 said:
Hello there,
Unfortunately I deleted an important video from my Verizon note 5. I been trying to recover the video for two days but no luck. I tried Samsung Data recovery, dr.fone, Recuva, and many different software. I came to the conclusion it's not possible without rooting my device which I would if I know how,but from what I read there was no successful way to root the Verizon version. Any idea, or a recommendation would be really appreciated.
Thank you!!
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It's probably to late without having some sophisticated software recovery tools and taking the phone apart.. I guess if it was mine, I'd create a backup of everything I needed and then do a factory reset and when it asks to restore thing's after the reset tap yes and hope that it did back it up to your Google account and save it but I really think it's to late. Make sure you sign back in with the correct(same) Google account. Before doing any factory reset make sure OEM unlock is ENABLED in developer settings!!
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It's probably to late without having some sophisticated software recovery tools and taking the phone apart.. I guess if it was mine, I'd create a backup of everything I needed and then do a factory reset and when it asks to restore thing's after the reset tap yes and hope that it did back it up to your Google account and save it but I really think it's to late. Make sure you sign back in with the correct(same) Google account. Before doing any factory reset make sure OEM unlock is ENABLED in developer settings!!
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Thanks for the replay, why is it too late? I used the phone for one day after the accidental delete and have been using another phone ever scene.
John774 said:
Thanks for the replay, why is it too late? I used the phone for one day after the accidental delete and have been using another phone ever scene.
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It's could be to late because the memory blocks that it was stored on could have been overwritten already by now and that makes it to late it's gone and something else is in it's place.. That's why I said maybe your Google account might have backed it up so you can email Google and see what they say about it..
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It's probably to late without having some sophisticated software recovery tools and taking the phone apart.. I guess if it was mine, I'd create a backup of everything I needed and then do a factory reset and when it asks to restore thing's after the reset tap yes and hope that it did back it up to your Google account and save it but I really think it's to late. Make sure you sign back in with the correct(same) Google account. Before doing any factory reset make sure OEM unlock is ENABLED in developer settings!!
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It's could be to late because the memory blocks that it was stored on could have been overwritten already by now and that makes it to late it's gone and something else is in it's place.. That's why I said maybe your Google account might have backed it up so you can email Google and see what they say about it..
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Thanks a lot for your try to help. It was not backed to the cloud for sure because it was deleted right after it was recorded. Do you think there is still any chance to recover it by the factory rest method? Also, Is there any software I can purchase to help ?
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Thanks a lot for your try to help. It was not backed to the cloud for sure because it was deleted right after it was recorded. Do you think there is still any chance to recover it by the factory rest method? Also, Is there any software I can purchase to help ?
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Probably not.. You can ask around but a lot of the software or apps people sell don't do what they say they can do but I would search around and try to read reviews on some of the applications because other people will tell you whether they've had any luck or not but I would look around before the factory reset because if you do that you're definitely overwriting the memory blocks for sure!!
Still looking for some way to recover the file but no luck. Didn't use the phone ever since.
I wonder if you have set up to sync before. If yes, maybe you can check out in the trash of Google Drive. It is allowed to recover deleted data within 60 days. Or you can try FORecovery to recover your data, which I have used before. As I know, it's have nothing to do with device version while the software identifying and rooting your phone. Anyway, just take a try. Hope this is not too late for you.
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I wonder if you have set up to sync before. If yes, maybe you can check out in the trash of Google Drive. It is allowed to recover deleted data within 60 days. Or you can try FORecovery to recover your data, which I have used before. As I know, it's have nothing to do with device version while the software identifying and rooting your phone. Anyway, just take a try. Hope this is not too late for you.
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Thanks for your reply. For Recovery could not recover the files as it couldn't root the device.
John774 said:
Thanks for your reply. For Recovery could not recover the files as it couldn't root the device.
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If the video is super important and you absolutely have to have it you should take it a recovery specialist and don't download or put anything else on the phone because it can overwrite the memory blocks.. Usually when you delete something the system just marks the memory blocks as reusable and able to be overwritten but if you don't do anything to cause it to be overwritten it's possible that it's still just sitting in the memory blocks and you just can't see it..
Hey fellas,
Someone stole my One plus 7 Pro.
It was rooted and had TWRP and Magisk 19.x ( latest subversion before 20.x dropped). I had a passcode and fingerprint set up on my phone. It was stolen at a technical convention for students. Assuming the thief has knowledge about Android can my phone's encryption be broken to give access to my files?
Any input is appreciated.
TLDR;
>Phone got stolen at a technical convention
>Thief might have knowledge of Android
>Running Stable Android 9 latest firmware before Stable 10.0.1
>Running Magisk 19.x (Latest before 20.x dropped)
>Running TWRP 3.3.1.x
My concern, Can it be hacked/cracked to give access to the storage inside?
Thanks in advance
this is the problem of unlocked boot loader.
sathara said:
this is the problem of unlocked boot loader.
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Thanks for the reply.
What are you implying?
Is it easy to crack through it to get the files? TWRP requires the pin to be able to boot.
Please give in more input if possible
_Rushaan_ said:
Thanks for the reply.
What are you implying?
Is it easy to crack through it to get the files? TWRP requires the pin to be able to boot.
Please give in more input if possible
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Unless your passcode is simple and easy to guess, they won't be able to decrypt the data using any publicly known ways.
Of course, having the bootloader locked would offer a bit more protection against the thief wiping and using the phone themselves, but even in that case there is no practical way to access your data before it gets wiped.
You should be somewhat safe...
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this is the problem of unlocked boot loader.
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jisoo said:
Unless your passcode is simple and easy to guess, they won't be able to decrypt the data using any publicly known ways.
Of course, having the bootloader locked would offer a bit more protection against the thief wiping and using the phone themselves, but even in that case there is no practical way to access your data before it gets wiped.
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My passcode is fairly complex. Thanks for the reassurance.:good:
jisoo said:
Unless your passcode is simple and easy to guess, they won't be able to decrypt the data using any publicly known ways.
Of course, having the bootloader locked would offer a bit more protection against the thief wiping and using the phone themselves, but even in that case there is no practical way to access your data before it gets wiped.
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He/she still wouldn't be able to use it after a wipe because of FRP, though, right?
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He/she still wouldn't be able to use it after a wipe because of FRP, though, right?
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there;s ways to bypass that, I saw a few videos of some people doing that
If you had your data encrypted as you state, I don't think anyone would even take the trouble that comes with brute forcing such encryption. He will probably just wipe it.
They may just wipe it and use it, u can black list it through you carrier
Check android device manager and see if you can locate it and remote wipe it