my phone is root , but can't delete system app !!! - Galaxy Note 3 General

hi everybody !
my n9005 is rooted by de la vega v5
but when i try to remove some boltware via system app remover a security pop-op appear and say you can't do it !!!!
what is that ?!
i also tried to remove by link-2-sd , but failed again !
please help

Did you try using titanium backup?

Assuming you have ADB set up, open up the Terminal if you're in Linux or the Command Line if you're in Windows and type the following:
adb shell
su
mount -o rw,remount /system
cd /system/app
ls
rm *name of app*
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blackknightavalon said:
Assuming you have ADB set up, open up the Terminal if you're in Linux or the Command Line if you're in Windows and type the following:
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thank u
i installed terminal on my phone and your command is work!
but u know , by link2sd or "system app remover " you can find out the app by its icon .
so why i can't remove app by application !
- titanium backup , every time i try to trmove an application by titanium backup , it getting freeze! and force close ( after a while )
- link2sd : when i try to remove an app it says can't mount ...
- system app remover : when i try to remove , a security notification appear ...
so how can i remove an app easily by this applications ?
thank u

mehdi.moha said:
thank u
do you mean : connect my phone to the laptop ==> run windows command ==> type the mentioned command ? yes ?
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That's exactly what I mean.
Sent from Spaceball One.

i updated my comment
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i updated my comment
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Maybe you have to try another root method??
Mine is working without any issue

Seems like those apps you want to use do not have SU permission. Did you install SU and Busybox?

It could sound silly but did you check with root checker that you really have root access?
If yes, another reason that I could think of is you might not grant the SU access when you opening up the TB

the point the makes me wondering is that " root checker" says that you have root permission !!!!!!!!!!!!
just one app worked for me !! " root app delete " 6.9.24 !
but this one not working complietely too . when i try to remove a system app it can't install that , but after that , an option appera and ask me : do you want to force uninstall , i said: yes . then uninstalled !
but i don't know why i can't remove the system app like others !
is that related to any security update ?

why my post putting double !!!!!

i moved system apps by root explorer

As I've said, try rooting your phone by another method. Mine without any problem.
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You did not respond or confirm to dabgoo that you have super user and Busybox installed.
Did you install Super user PRO, you need to activate it?
I did not active it a first.
You can get a false positive from root checker. It will say you have root when super user is not installed properly. This happened to me.
Check in the Super user app if Super user is actually granting access to other apps.
Sent from my rooted Note 3 (N900T) using XDA Premium

Could be a long shot, look under settings /general /security /device administrators and uncheck knox if its checked.
I ran into this prob when trying to remove knox. it could apply to other apps maybe. Dunno, worth a try though.

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Error superuser

I have installed today new custom rom with sense 3.5
Superuser worked fine and also daemon controller.
Market auto updated superuser and then I got always error when I try to open daemon controller this error :
The application superuser (proces com.noshufou.android.su
I also uninstalled the update but still same error..
Yeah the new superuser have that problem, with FC. Try the version 3 or the version 3.0.2
1. Go to settings==>applications
2. Find superuser and tap "uninstall updates". You should be back on 3.0.2
3. Go into your market app and search for superuser. Open the app listing and uncheck "allow automatic updates".
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using xda premium
moviewatch said:
I also uninstalled the update but still same error..
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moto211 said:
1. Go to settings==>applications
2. Find superuser and tap "uninstall updates". You should be back on 3.0.2
3. Go into your market app and search for superuser. Open the app listing and uncheck "allow automatic updates".
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using xda premium
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Did you read it and just was not paying attention or did you just not read it? The OP said they had already don what you suggested.
Right now I am on the latest superuser..
When I open daemon controller works fine also overclocking working.
But when I want to give Es file explorer root acces..
I get again that error.. driving me crazy right now
looks like my phone is not rooted or what
Have you thought about seeing if you can update your Busy Box too? It is a shot in the dark but I know Superuser and Busy Box are closely tied together. Also have you tried to uninstall and then re install the app in question?
moviewatch said:
I have installed today new custom rom with sense 3.5
Superuser worked fine and also daemon controller.
Market auto updated superuser and then I got always error when I try to open daemon controller this error :
The application superuser (proces com.noshufou.android.su
I also uninstalled the update but still same error..
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Hi,
May I suggest you try to restore to SU 3.0.2
Make a nandroid backup,and flash in recovery.
I installed busybox.. but when it ask for root acces
I click on Allow then the error from superuser comes again...
Do you have apk file for superuser 3.0.2 ??
malybru said:
Hi,
May I suggest you try to restore to SU 3.0.2
Make a nandroid backup,and flash in recovery.
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In recovery get this error :
E: error /sdcard/su-3.0.2.zip
(status 0)
installation aborted
I had to go into the su app and delete app data, then totally uninstall it completely. Then install an earlier version. That is the only way it stopped force closing for me, uninstalling updates did not work. After you install earlier version go in and update binary, even if it's already up to date. If it updates it and you can press the back button and it does not Fc, then you should be fine .
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
Download Root Checker from the Android Market. Install it and open it then click on the check for root button. This will tell you if you are rooted.
moviewatch said:
In recovery get this error :
E: error /sdcard/su-3.0.2.zip
(status 0)
installation aborted
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Hi,
Someone had the same problem and tried again a few times until it worked.
masondoctorjt said:
I had to go into the su app and delete app data, then totally uninstall it completely. Then install an earlier version. That is the only way it stopped force closing for me, uninstalling updates did not work. After you install earlier version go in and update binary, even if it's already up to date. If it updates it and you can press the back button and it does not Fc, then you should be fine .
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
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How did you completely uninstall it..
and then how did you install an earlier version..
I have adb shell on my pc..
malybru said:
Hi,
Someone had the same problem and tried again a few times until it worked.
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after 3 times.. installation succesfull, hehe
But not helped my problem with the error
also for root checker you need root acces.. I click allow.
and then boom error
moviewatch said:
after 3 times.. installation succesfull, hehe
But not helped my problem with the error
also for root checker you need root acces.. I click allow.
and then boom error
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Hi,
Worth a try.
Go to all apps>super user>preferences>automatic response>click allow and see if that helps.
T-Macgnolia said:
Did you read it and just was not paying attention or did you just not read it? The OP said they had already don what you suggested.
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Wow dude, calm down. Yes, I did read the op's post. I'm sorry if my missing that part has offended you.
To the OP, try manually deleting superuser and all related files through adb, the flash 3.0.2 from recovery.
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malybru said:
Hi,
Worth a try.
Go to all apps>super user>preferences>automatic response>click allow and see if that helps.
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I re-installed my custom rom..
and then did what you told above..
Right now es file explorer working..
and daemon controller had just 1 time that error of superuser.
I will let it so.. will check it out tomorrow
Maybe the phone has now enough of all we did
Thanks !
malybru said:
Hi,
Worth a try.
Go to all apps>super user>preferences>automatic response>click allow and see if that helps.
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People need to STOP suggesting this. This is way unsafe and defeats the purpose of the app even having an asking prompt in the first place. It might be a "temp" fix, but it shouldn't even be used!
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
This solution worked for me, no more FCs
h/t theraver and homersp
to solve the SU problems try this su binary
binary: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11494687/superuser/su
to install do this:
Update to superuser 3.0.5 in the market (if you didn't do this)
adb remount
adb push su /system/bin/
adb shell chmod 06755 /system/bin/su
adb shell rm /data/data/com.noshufou.android.su/databases/permissions.*
This sollution comes from the home site of superuser by ChainsDD, and was posted by HomerSp. credits to HomerSp!
Rom Manager, fix permission, problem sorted for me.
Cheers Hammyinc

How do I root a13 zeepad 7.0 tablet?

I tried searching on the forum for a13 allwinners zeepad 7.0 but can't find anything.
I bought this from amazon,
Android version:
4.0.4
Model number:
A13MID
Kernel Version: 3.0.8
Can someone help me root this tablet?
Anyone? :|
Baoish said:
Anyone? :|
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Zeepad comes rooted already, at least mine did...install superuser from market and any app that needs root permission, if your able to grant such permissions your rooted. Sorry i cant remember the command for adb or terminal emulator to get this answer quicker...
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deeno33 said:
Zeepad comes rooted already, at least mine did...install superuser from market and any app that needs root permission, if your able to grant such permissions your rooted. Sorry i cant remember the command for adb or terminal emulator to get this answer quicker...
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So, just install su and it will work?
deeno33 said:
Zeepad comes rooted already, at least mine did...install superuser from market and any app that needs root permission, if your able to grant such permissions your rooted. Sorry i cant remember the command for adb or terminal emulator to get this answer quicker...
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My daughter just got one of these devices for Christmas, as well. I saw this post as well and thought "Great, I don't have to do the part" so, I installed SuperUser, when I went to update the su binary, which was shown as "Legacy" it got all the way to where it needs to remount the / file system as rw, and to my surprise, it wont remount. Another thing I noticed was that even though it does have su installed, I can't get to the point to where the app even asks for root permission. I tried to update Busybox, as well, and it wouldn't let me even do that... The version which is installed to the tablet appears to be 1.18, but when SuperUser goes to update the su binary it reports back as being the same as the installed version, which I know for a fact that it is not. So while I do in fact have root, it seems to only be a partial root. Anyone willing to throw around some ideas as to where I can go from here to A) get the / file system to remount rw, and B) get SuperUser, an updated su binary and an updated Busybox installed so that I can a full root going and get down to business to installing CWM and CM10 installed and running on here for her.
Any help would be appreciated,
Matt
Yes there is A Solution To This Via A Simple App
meskes said:
My daughter just got one of these devices for Christmas, as well. I saw this post as well and thought "Great, I don't have to do the part" so, I installed SuperUser, when I went to update the su binary, which was shown as "Legacy" it got all the way to where it needs to remount the / file system as rw, and to my surprise, it wont remount. Another thing I noticed was that even though it does have su installed, I can't get to the point to where the app even asks for root permission. I tried to update Busybox, as well, and it wouldn't let me even do that... The version which is installed to the tablet appears to be 1.18, but when SuperUser goes to update the su binary it reports back as being the same as the installed version, which I know for a fact that it is not. So while I do in fact have root, it seems to only be a partial root. Anyone willing to throw around some ideas as to where I can go from here to A) get the / file system to remount rw, and B) get SuperUser, an updated su binary and an updated Busybox installed so that I can a full root going and get down to business to installing CWM and CM10 installed and running on here for her.
Any help would be appreciated,
Matt
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all zeepads come prerooted and shouldnt block u from updating or to have root access (download root checker) from market
Ur Binarys Should Still Update And Say Current If U Download New Binary Just Wont Show Up Till Reboot
If u Want To Stop This Error While Not Having To Reboot Everytime
Ya This IS Annoying to Do Everytime But Simple solution
THis Proplem IS Do To The Tablet Having A Stock Kernel That Doesnt Allow System Read/Write Access
This Is Why SuperUser Fails Cause It Needs Write Access To The Devices File System...(system/xbin/su)
Which means to Remount system after updating to take Affect And Most Stock Devices Do Not Allow This
so if u updated and it said current version ur ok this is to prevent anymore errors in the future
superuser can have different error witch mean different things just cuz u get one doesnt mean
they didnt take affect but remount of system is the most common error check superuser faq
1.Download Mount System R/W App From PlayStore And Install And Open.
2 .Allow Root Access To The App Then Select Mount System R/W Button
3. Press Home Button And Navigate To SuperUser App And Then Try Updating Binary
This Method Should Work For You
Hope This Works For You
As for cwm and cm9/cm10 it depends if u have a8 or a10 device a13 are not yet supported
MikeG_MG56 said:
all zeepads come prerooted and shouldnt block u from updating or to have root access (download root checker) from market
Ur Binarys Should Still Update And Say Current If U Download New Binary Just Wont Show Up Till Reboot
If u Want To Stop This Error While Not Having To Reboot Everytime
Ya This IS Annoying to Do Everytime But Simple solution
THis Proplem IS Do To The Tablet Having A Stock Kernel That Doesnt Allow System Read/Write Access
This Is Why SuperUser Fails Cause It Needs Write Access To The Devices File System...(system/xbin/su)
Which means to Remount system after updating to take Affect And Most Stock Devices Do Not Allow This
so if u updated and it said current version ur ok this is to prevent anymore errors in the future
superuser can have different error witch mean different things just cuz u get one doesnt mean
they didnt take affect but remount of system is the most common error check superuser faq
1.Download Mount System R/W App From PlayStore And Install And Open.
2 .Allow Root Access To The App Then Select Mount System R/W Button
3. Press Home Button And Navigate To SuperUser App And Then Try Updating Binary
This Method Should Work For You
Hope This Works For You
As for cwm and cm9/cm10 it depends if u have a8 or a10 device a13 are not yet supported
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Sorry for bringing up an old thread, but I got the a13 and was wondering if anyone was making a cm9/cm10 rom for it as well. I have the a13. I tried to Google and can't find any info about any custom roms for this device.
I used kingRoot version 4.1 Any newer version would not root it.

[Q] Unrooting Questions!

I have some questions about root.. I have searched for the questions below but i didn't get my answer.
1. Uninstallation of superuser cannot effect to the root? (Just confirming)
2. After uninstalling superuser will i be able to install more root needed apps? apps data will automatically install in their respective place just without any superuser permission..????
3. After unrooting phone root needed apps (which are installed) will work fine or not? and will i be able to uninstall those root apps?
Answer me plz..
Thank You.
jordan1296 said:
I have some questions about root.. I have searched for the questions below but i didn't get my answer.
1. Uninstallation of superuser cannot effect to the root? (Just confirming)
2. After uninstalling superuser will i be able to install more root needed apps? apps data will automatically install in their respective place just without any superuser permission..????
3. After unrooting phone root needed apps (which are installed) will work fine or not? and will i be able to uninstall those root apps?
Answer me plz..
Thank You.
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Answers:-
1. Uninstalling of superuser with clean Unroot will Remove Root Binary from System and will effect Root, as without SU app you cant play with Root..
2. No, You Can't.
3. No they won't Function. You can uninstall Root apps if they are in System Folder other you will be able to uninstall.
Thankyou,
Regards,
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What superuser app does?
Thank You very much.. I am satisfied by your reply..
Delete it wanted to give reply.. but i posted it.
What superuser app does?
Zeuscluts said:
Answers:-
1. Uninstalling of superuser with clean Unroot will Remove Root Binary from System and will effect Root, as without SU app you cant play with Root..
2. No, You Can't.
3. No they won't Function. You can uninstall Root apps if they are in System Folder other you will be able to uninstall.
Thankyou,
Regards,
Zeuscluts
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Thank You very much.. I am satisfied by your reply..
But tell me one more thing what superuser does.. i think superuser app only gives the permission to the root apps to install something in root area.. right? superuser app work is just to allow or deny the permission to the app right..?
So if i don't unroot my phone and if i just simply remove superuser app then i still should be able to install root apps in the root? because my phone is rooted.. and i have just removed superuser app which gives permission only.
I think superuser only gives the permission to the app SO apps will be intall in the root just without any permission of superuser?? this is what superuser does ONLY?
I think i am misunderstanding something about superuser.. Correct me please if i am wrong.. :good:
jordan1296 said:
Thank You very much.. I am satisfied by your reply..
But tell me one more thing what superuser does.. i think superuser app only gives the permission to the root apps to install something in root area.. right? superuser app work is just to allow or deny the permission to the app right..?
So if i don't unroot my phone and if i just simply remove superuser app then i still should be able to install root apps in the root? because my phone is rooted.. and i have just removed superuser app which gives permission only.
I think superuser only gives the permission to the app SO apps will be intall in the root just without any permission of superuser?? this is what superuser does ONLY?
I think i am misunderstanding something about superuser.. Correct me please if i am wrong.. :good:
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Yes,
It gives permissions to access, modify your Root area[Restricted when you are Non-Rooted].
No,
Removing SU app will remove permissions with It. So after that you cant use those Rooted app which you gave Permissions when u had SU App.
Note:- Without any SU app you can't Play your System Files..
nor your rooted apps will work..
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Zeuscluts said:
Yes,
It gives permissions to access, modify your Root area[Restricted when you are Non-Rooted].
No,
Removing SU app will remove permissions with It. So after that you cant use those Rooted app which you gave Permissions when u had SU App.
Note:- Without any SU app you can't Play your System Files..
nor your rooted apps will work..
Regards,
Zeuscluts
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Okayy Thank You.
S4 mk2 i337 soft bricked...
This is the link I started dealing with:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758
Problem is, I uninstalled a system file or two...or 15...and now the phone will start up, but no apps show up, just black screen. I can navigate still and work around it, but what i CAN'T do is give permission to that batch file once it recognizes the phone.
Obviously, I didn't know what I was doing, so I didn't realize that unrooting it wouldn't solve the problem, so I need to root, and then somehow get my system files back in place. Titanium Backup says my back up doesn't exist...pretty frustrated, I've spent 10+ hours on this site and some others trying to get back in, so I apologize upfront for possibly missing a post elsewhere
S4 MK2 I337

[Q] Help with Kingo Root

I tried to root my device "Infinix Hot" Which apparently has the same build as HTC devices using KingoRoot
5 min after i plugged my device to my pc and had usb debugging on and kingoroot installing drivers it displayed a message "Root success"
But i noticed that my device didn't reboot during the process , which goes against what i have read..........
So i rebooted it manually , and now i have an app called "KingoUser" that i can only disable but not uninstall even if i factory reset( I tried ) ....... But with no root access
I tried many root checking apps and they all displayed that i didn't have root access but i have SU installed
Can someone explain what is going on please?
And can someone please tell me if i can remove this "KingoUser"
Which doesn't appear to have any uses
When i open it all what's there is just a white page with only links to Kingo Websites
royboody said:
Which doesn't appear to have any uses
When i open it all what's there is just a white page with only links to Kingo Websites
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Try downloading ES file browser and enable root feature, see if you have root...
You never even get a toast notification from kinguser asking if you want to grant permissions??
Newyork! said:
Try downloading ES file browser and enable root feature, see if you have root...
You never even get a toast notification from kinguser asking if you want to grant permissions??
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I did try several apps from the playstore that require root access like titanium backup ...
And they just keep trying to ask for root access for sometime then display a message "Failed" without any reaction from the "KingoUser" App
Anyway ~ i tried another root program called Vroot ( Or iRoot ) and this time root actually worked and installed superuser that ask for root permission for each program ( Allow of deny dialogue ) And titanium backup has root access now
But the app called "KingoUser" Cant be uninstalled even after doing several factory reset ( Without loosing root status )
I currently have it disabled but i want to permanently remove it cuz it's useless
One more think , i disabled the "superuser" app that automatically installed after the root process and installed the newer version from the play store that works perfectly and it updated my su binary it seems
So is it safe for me to completely remove the outdated superuser app the came with iRoot ? ( Cuz it wont update by itself and i cant find and option to update ) ? And how do i remove it ( Same problem with "KingoUser" )
royboody said:
I did try several apps from the playstore that require root access like titanium backup ...
And they just keep trying to ask for root access for sometime then display a message "Failed" without any reaction from the "KingoUser" App
Anyway ~ i tried another root program called Vroot ( Or iRoot ) and this time root actually worked and installed superuser that ask for root permission for each program ( Allow of deny dialogue ) And titanium backup has root access now
But the app called "KingoUser" Cant be uninstalled even after doing several factory reset ( Without loosing root status )
I currently have it disabled but i want to permanently remove it cuz it's useless
One more think , i disabled the "superuser" app that automatically installed after the root process and installed the newer version from the play store that works perfectly and it updated my su binary it seems
So is it safe for me to completely remove the outdated superuser app the came with iRoot ? ( Cuz it wont update by itself and i cant find and option to update ) ? And how do i remove it ( Same problem with "KingoUser" )
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yeh it's safe to remove, go with any root file explorer to system/app and delete it!
You may also try first freezing that app and then uninstalling it
utsha.saha.58 said:
You may also try first freezing that app and then uninstalling it
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I have it disabled , doesn't that mean it's freezed ?
royboody said:
I have it disabled , doesn't that mean it's freezed ?
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Yep same thing. After disabling this app uninstalling it will make no problem
This chinese su apps gave me a lot of pain in the ass

removing spotify

I wanted to totally remove spotify from my phone its part of the system files since the nougat update, i rooted it last night and tried to remove with numerous apps from the store, ie titanium etc but i come back out and its still there, anyone have a suggestion for me?
thanks
blackman2002 said:
I wanted to totally remove spotify from my phone its part of the system files since the nougat update, i rooted it last night and tried to remove with numerous apps from the store, ie titanium etc but i come back out and its still there, anyone have a suggestion for me?
thanks
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You have to disable dm-verity, look for thread on xda there is already boot image patched with disabled dm verity.
blackman2002 said:
I wanted to totally remove spotify from my phone its part of the system files since the nougat update, i rooted it last night and tried to remove with numerous apps from the store, ie titanium etc but i come back out and its still there, anyone have a suggestion for me?
thanks
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Use system app remover
Disconnect internet
First uninstall update user app
Then uninstall system app
i have the same problem. No way to delete the app but just disable it. I have root and tried app remover, root explorer and app deleter ... same results.
Gave a try also at your method disabling internet but no success.
Is there a way to delete the native app ... i cannot install other apks because there a conflict
Nereoz said:
i have the same problem. No way to delete the app but just disable it. I have root and tried app remover, root explorer and app deleter ... same results.
Gave a try also at your method disabling internet but no success.
Is there a way to delete the native app ... i cannot install other apks because there a conflict
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I can delete all apps without any issue. What is the error message?
or install this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teamviewer.quicksupport.market
then send to me id
sceryavuz said:
I can delete all apps without any issue. What is the error message?
or install this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teamviewer.quicksupport.market
then send to me id
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Solved. you are the man!!
many thanks.
Nereoz said:
Solved. you are the man!!
many thanks.
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No problem
What we did:
Busybox installed : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jrummy.busybox.installer
Termux installed : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux
ES File Explorer installed : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.estrongs.android.pop
Open ES File Explorer, open Root Explorer on left side menu.
Open Termux, write "su", give root permission.
Write this "echo 0 > /sys/kernel/security/sony_ric/enable"
Write this "busybox mount -o remount,rw /system"
Open ES File Explorer, delete this folder "system/app/com.spotify.."
Reboot and done :fingers-crossed:
sceryavuz said:
No problem
What we did:
Busybox installed : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jrummy.busybox.installer
Termux installed : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux
ES File Explorer installed : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.estrongs.android.pop
Open ES File Explorer, open Root Explorer on left side menu.
Open Termux, write "su", give root permission.
Write this "echo 0 > /sys/kernel/security/sony_ric/enable"
Write this "busybox mount -o remount,rw /system"
Open ES File Explorer, delete this folder "system/app/com.spotify.."
Reboot and done :fingers-crossed:
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While the Termux told me it didn't find busybox and that didn't really seem to do much, I still did everything like this and it worked

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