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IMO the stock phone is extremely fast and smooth. With 2GB ram I also haven't seen any apps being forced out of memory.
So with a custom rom, all the speed tweaks etc, what exactly is improved over the stock phone. Do apps launch faster, less lag etc? Are there any videos comparing stock vs custom (esp AOSP vs TW) ?
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IMO the stock phone is extremely fast and smooth. With 2GB ram I also haven't seen any apps being forced out of memory.
So with a custom rom, all the speed tweaks etc, what exactly is improved over the stock phone. Do apps launch faster, less lag etc? Are there any videos comparing stock vs custom (esp AOSP vs TW) ?
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I personally just used AOSP for about a day, switched back due to a few bugs, but it was definitely speedy quick. Faster than stock? Yes for sure, but stock is super fast as it is. As for AOSP vs TW, i'd love to stay on AOSP but i love the TW camera and just can't get over not having it You should try custom roms for each one and just see what you prefer
If you look on YouTube you will find several reviews on roms currently available for our gs3.
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At this point in time they offer no advantage over stock. Hopefully one day they will but Samsung did such a great job on the stock Rom for a change that our custom roms are a little faster but with a few things broke or bad battery life or bad 3g/4g hand off.
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At this point in time they offer no advantage over stock. Hopefully one day they will but Samsung did such a great job on the stock Rom for a change that our custom roms are a little faster but with a few things broke or bad battery life or bad 3g/4g hand off.
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good post! :good:
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At this point in time they offer no advantage over stock. Hopefully one day they will but Samsung did such a great job on the stock Rom for a change that our custom roms are a little faster but with a few things broke or bad battery life or bad 3g/4g hand off.
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I agree 100%.
I have tried every ROM available at this point & I always end up going back to the setup in my sig.
I always chuckle when I read post claiming a ROM is smoother/faster/less lag etc than a completely debloated stock ROM like CleanROM or Synergy. Talk about the ultimate placebo affect......
Most have issues but many offer huge advantages from deep functionality to deep customization. If those interest you, perhaps small issues in stability or data usage are a worthwhile tradeoff. Not to mention that the simple fact that you CAN do such a thing is a very fun and educational experience about what is special with android.
Also, debloated, over clocked TouchWiz Roms like CleanRom are faster and able to be set up for greater battery savings. Without question. It's a large field! Have fun by doing, you can always go back without cost!
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The title of the thread was "...how fast..." I've posted on this before. Can we humans detect the subtle differences? Are the new roms simply a placebo effect of speed? I don't know.
What I look to are facts. The only facts we can use in comparing roms are the benchmarking tools. I have tried many different roms...Incu's, Slim's, Synergy's, Phantom, etc.....I have recently been flashing the Incubus Jellywiz roms pretty regularly, but got frustrated with some of the bugs ( more on these later ). So I went and retried the latest Slim and Synergy.
I can say. There was a perceptable difference between Slim/Synergy vs. Jellywiz. So I did a benchmark test. I tested each rom under pretty much the same conditions.
1. Flash the latest.
2. Disable the same Allshare/Samsung crap.
3. Load all my apps using Titanium.
4. Let the Rom settle for a most of the day
5. Test in the evening
No Overclocking...No other special changes.
I tested Using Antutu and Quandrant Standard....Slim and Synergy were about the same...in the high 4k's...around 4800 Antutu. Incubus' Jellywiz is always around 7800. Slim/Synergy was around 4800 in Quadrant, Jellywiz is consistantly up near 6000.
There are trade-offs / bugs / features....but...if you're looking for speed, I don't think you can find anything faster that Jellywiz.
The latest Custom has a custom overclocking kernal....for fun I bumped it up to 1800mhz and ran a 9500 Antutu. right now I'm running 192min 1200max and still pull a 7200 antutu score.
You pick:
> Speed = Jellywiz
< Bugs = Custom stock
My $0.02
CleanRom 2.1 with the CleanKernel 1.2 runs excellent for me, no problems, definitely quicker than stock, very smooth.
I'm currently running latest stock Android 4.1.2 on my Nexus S. It appears that official Google support has come to an end and therefore there is no point keeping the original software. It also seems to me that current version of Android on Nexus isn't exactly a good example of well optimized software which is the reason why I'm looking for an alternative.
My requirements are speed, stability and possibly better battery life. Extra functionality is not important, I'm happy with 4.1.2 as it is. However I don't want to downgrade to ICS not to mention Gingerbread.
So could you recommend me a good alternative rom for Nexus S, based on your own experience? I'm currently thinking of CyanogenMod because there is plenty of people behind it and its really famous so I guess it should be stable and reliable but I haven't decided yet. What do you think?
I use AOKP with the marmite kernel. Works great.
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Also 4.2 for me with marmite kernel for sure
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I use SlimBean 3.1 with stock kernel...Works great....I waiting the 4.2 crespo rom from slimbean....!!!
CM10 with either stock or Marmite kernel.
Perfection.
For me, it's CM10 with stock Cyanogen Kernel... i'm waiting for Cyanogen 10.1 ^^
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For me, it's CM10 with stock Cyanogen Kernel... i'm waiting for Cyanogen 10.1 ^^
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I meant default CM kernel.
Speed, stability and features are brilliant for a device that is now 2-years-old.
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I meant default CM kernel.
Speed, stability and features are brilliant for a device that is now 2-years-old.
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Same here currently on cm 10 stable with default kernel for weeks now it's been really fast and stable. Was surprised. I had tried cm10 when it came out for our device and it was pretty bad stability and battery wise so I went to aosp roms.... Gave stable a shot and wow it has come a looooooong way in such a short time
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For me, it's CM10 with stock Cyanogen Kernel... i'm waiting for Cyanogen 10.1 ^^
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Another vote for CM10. I'm currently using the new rasbean, but if 4.1.2 is good with you, I'm not sure anything can beat the stability of the stable version of CM10.
Having tried tons of amazing ROMs on ICS, I feel there were more stable and fluid options than with 4.1... That's not to say 4.1 didn't have great ROMs, I'm just saying that it was harder to find a stable, speedy, efficient 4.1 ROM... If you want to stay with 4.1, then I can only vouch for BAKEDbean 6... I haven't tried as many 4.1's as I did with 4.0... From memory, Slim Bean was pretty good... I just didn't like some of the included options...
Now here's what I can say about 4.2 ROMs... Since you don't mind missing some included features like theme chooser, statusbar tweaks, etc... Then I would highly suggest Rasbean with Matr1x CFS 24.0 (non-cm version)... I always told myself that I would never use a ROM without theme chooser... But after trying this ROM, I've discovered that speed and fluidity is way more important to me than a few extra features... This ROM is amazing... I'm getting much better battery life with this combo than with any 4.1 combo I tried... At the very least, give it a try
*edit* in case you see reviews or read somewhere that it's not a "stable" release... I would ignore that crap because I haven't had a single issue with this ROM other than the phone app fc'ing after some calls which is 4G related... and since you're on crespo, you won't have that problem... Everything works on this ROM!!!
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rom cm 10 stable version with kernel matr1x v24
Cm10 with marmite kernel beast
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Hey, thanks to all of you guys. I switched to CyanogenMod 10 since many of you have recommended it and it also seemed to me pretty solid and reliable. Nexus S now does seem a little bit faster and more fluid however it's hard to tell after less than a day of using it. I won't go back anyway, those few extra features are really nice. My problem with stock JB was that it suffered from some kind of memory leak... quite often I ended up with literally 0 MB of free ram. The phone also got quite often to a state of total unresponsiveness for few moments without any obvious reason. None of these problem has occured in CM so far however for example during heavy usage, when I go back to home screen, the launcher is really slow (1-2fps) for few seconds. But I guess I can't expect much from 2 year old hardware.
You also mentioned several alternative kernels... what can I expect from that in daily usage?
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Hey, thanks to all of you guys. I switched to CyanogenMod 10 since many of you have recommended it and it also seemed to me pretty solid and reliable. Nexus S now does seem a little bit faster and more fluid however it's hard to tell after less than a day of using it. I won't go back anyway, those few extra features are really nice. My problem with stock JB was that it suffered from some kind of memory leak... quite often I ended up with literally 0 MB of free ram. The phone also got quite often to a state of total unresponsiveness for few moments without any obvious reason. None of these problem has occured in CM so far however for example during heavy usage, when I go back to home screen, the launcher is really slow (1-2fps) for few seconds. But I guess I can't expect much from 2 year old hardware.
You also mentioned several alternative kernels... what can I expect from that in daily usage?
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I have not an ounce of lag on rasbean 4.2.1... I didn't think it would get better than 4.1 but it clearly does... I don't think everyone that recommended cm10 has even tried a 4.2 ROM yet... BTW, cm10.1 will be released soon and I'm sure everyone with update then...
For kernel, use airkernel or matr1x... Think of the kernel as the brain of the phone... It tells the phone what to so with the hardware... So you can tweak things foe better speed or better battery or even attempt to get a good balance between the two...
My last time mentioning it... I would strongly recommend you to backup your current setup and flash the 4.2 ROM with matr1x 24.0... That is all
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I have not an ounce of lag on rasbean 4.2.1... I didn't think it would get better than 4.1 but it clearly does... I don't think everyone that recommended cm10 has even tried a 4.2 ROM yet... BTW, cm10.1 will be released soon and I'm sure everyone with update then...
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Really it does work that well? Hmm then it is really sad that Google has cut off Nexus S from official updates. I will definitely try 4.2 but I will probably wait for CM 10.1 if you say it will be released soon.
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For kernel, use airkernel or matr1x... Think of the kernel as the brain of the phone... It tells the phone what to so with the hardware... So you can tweak things foe better speed or better battery or even attempt to get a good balance between the two...
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Well I know what the kernel is (I have been using Linux on my desktop for several years ) I was just curious how one can benefit from using an alternative kernel for Android. You say I can tweak things for better speed or battery life... does it mean that I can for example sacrifice 30% of battery life and exchange it for 30% of performance in gaming? What are the limits of this tweaking?
Hi,
at the moment, my Nexus S is in maintenance/repair because of a defective Lock-/Power-Button.
When i get it back, it will be resetted to default. Using Stock 4.1.2 ROM i experience a frequent amount of lags, for example when i start the browser.
According to some Google+ Posts, there is no official 4.2.2 from Google, because the Nexus S got a too small amount of RAM.
Because i have to reinstall everything anyway, i thought of trying out a Custom Rom maybe.
What is your general advice ?
Is there a chanche, that a Custom 4.2.2 ROM is performing better, then Googles Stock 4.2.2.
My smartphone is my every day swiss army knife, so stability is an important point.
Thank you,
Christian
4.2.2 roms run great on my Nexus.. I can't fault them. I use Jellyshot as my daily (super stable) . I alternate with Slimbean sometimes.. If you don't like it , you can always install a rooted 4.1.2
easter_ said:
Hi,
at the moment, my Nexus S is in maintenance/repair because of a defective Lock-/Power-Button.
When i get it back, it will be resetted to default. Using Stock 4.1.2 ROM i experience a frequent amount of lags, for example when i start the browser.
According to some Google+ Posts, there is no official 4.2.2 from Google, because the Nexus S got a too small amount of RAM.
Because i have to reinstall everything anyway, i thought of trying out a Custom Rom maybe.
What is your general advice ?
Is there a chanche, that a Custom 4.2.2 ROM is performing better, then Googles Stock 4.2.2.
My smartphone is my every day swiss army knife, so stability is an important point.
Thank you,
Christian
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hellybean 4.2.2 is the best rom i have ever tried. used to have microlags with every other JB i tried but this one is amazing. try it
I'm also running hellybean and it's a nice daily driver
I'm also trying out different kernels with the rom. Marmite is ok but I miss the BLN.
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It all depends on your taste and overall experience with 4.1.2 and 4.2.2 ROMs.
And trust me, the above point makes it subjective for every single user.
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I just downgraded to this stock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1854366 . Had some good and bad experience with 4.2.2 - few times it worked normally, but all other times i got really bad lags. So decided to downgrade and now I'm happy how fast it works (after CM 10.1). So depending on how much RAM 4.2.2 uses, I suggest 4.1.2 - less cool features, but more usable.
4.2.2 has had the best performance and battery life of any ROM I have tried... CM10.1
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I just downgraded to this stock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1854366 . Had some good and bad experience with 4.2.2 - few times it worked normally, but all other times i got really bad lags. So decided to downgrade and now I'm happy how fast it works (after CM 10.1). So depending on how much RAM 4.2.2 uses, I suggest 4.1.2 - less cool features, but more usable.
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I also have kind of poor performance on 4.2.2. Sometimes it will be fine, but I will start streaming via Google Music or SiriusXM over Bluetooth and it will skip randomly. I also notice random spurts of lag just navigating around in the phone. Battery life, I am lucky to get 12 hours out of a full charge. Running the latest JellyShot 4.2.2. Was on slimbean or something before that with the same issues.
Thinking about going back to 4.1 unfortunately.
Hey.. Im selling my nexus s tomorrow and have a question. Im currently on 4.2.2 3.0v jellyshot+matrix but have occasionally random reboots. Can somebody recommend a stable 4.2.2 configuration ? And which kernel is best to use with stock 4.2.1 if I decide to downgrade ?
Thanks!
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Hey.. Im selling my nexus s tomorrow and have a question. Im currently on 4.2.2 3.0v jellyshot+matrix but have occasionally random reboots. Can somebody recommend a stable 4.2.2 configuration ? And which kernel is best to use with stock 4.2.1 if I decide to downgrade ?
Thanks!
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Sell it with stock 4.1.2. Nobody likes a half stable, customized by a stranger rom when they buy a new phone.
Rasbeanjelly 4.1.2... Or flash again jelly shot !!!
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Sell it with stock 4.1.2. Nobody likes a half stable, customized by a stranger rom when they buy a new phone.
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This!
Can't agree more.
I've been using jellyshot with marmite and seeder apk since jellyshot arrived and I can tell I can't find a rom more stable
Even though it's not great for gaming, but it's the smoothest for anything else.
I found JellyB-TSM to be a very smooth ROM but the latest version is at 4.2.1. Also, it does not have the Quick-pin unlock feature (even though it claims it does).
Another smooth ROM is of course Slim Bean but hands-free bluetooth does not work for me.
And just today I loaded Helly Bean (recommended here) and it looks promising and hence my recommendation as well :good:
I fell there isn't any difference between 4.1.2 and 4.2.2.May be the nexus S firmware
Just flashed from 4.1.2 to 4.2.2. It seems bit laggier and apps crashes more but then again these are nightlies just wait for the next stable rom and there wont be any problems.
I`m using Jellyshot and at first I was ready to reflash something else but after a week it is super stable and i`m getting around 30-35 hour battery life.
Finally found a 4.2.2 ROM as good as a 4.1.2. Been using Backed Black Bean 8 and it's great.
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Finally found a 4.2.2 ROM as good as a 4.1.2. Been using Backed Black Bean 8 and it's great.
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I also have been using Baked Black Bean only problem is latest version experiences memory leak problem.
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The lure of "features"
As there are over (20) 4.2 rom possibilities, coupled with around (10) different kernels, and varying differences from phone to phone, there is no real answer as to what works best.
Once you can cure the addiction to flash (never happening with me..) you'll find that the more feature packed the rom is, generally, the poorer the overall experience is. Whether it be bugs, smoothness, or speed. Adding bells and whistles only opens more opportunity to have issues. I admit that I enjoy scrolling through the endless menus to change colours and add features/alter layout... 4.2 roms hold exciting possibilities, but are not yet perfected.
I would recommend either Jellyshot or Rasbeanjelly on pure stability, speed and smoothness... They may not technically be the fastest, smoothest or most stable (as opinions differ) but they both have incredible battery life and are clutter free. Once you actually use your phone for a phone you quickly forget about all the "amazing" features that don't really improve the overall experience.
My wife has a NS as well, hers is completely untouched stock 4.1 (refuses to let me change it), she complains about speed, lag, fc's and it completely freezing up. She has never complained about not having a lockscreen widget or a holo notification screen. I use hers once in a while and it is not more stable, faster or better in battery life than mine (Jellyshot and Vta2#116 kernel).
I just got my Nexus S, I wanna know whats the best Rom nd Kernel for our phone right now, based on ICS/JB wth decent Battery life and Hd gaming Games like NFS MW, Ashalt 6 and etc?
dxdevilz said:
I just got my Nexus S, I wanna know whats the best Rom nd Kernel for our phone right now, based on ICS/JB wth decent Battery life and Hd gaming Games like NFS MW, Ashalt 6 and etc?
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The best rom for gaming is GamerzRom v3, you can try it also with marmite kernel.
Carbon, Gamers are reported to by the fastest (I've tryed Carbon with Marmite8.5Cm and it's awesome), the latest stable build of SlimBean is stable to withn great batterey and a kernel based on Marmite, I'm curently on XenonHD v9 with Marmite non CM because I love the built in intd scripts that cantbe changed imediatly (like 3g speed hack for example), but if you're new to Nexus S and the flashing stuf I recomend Carbon as it has a good amount of features without being to intrusive on rom settings that could damadge your experience with IT. hAppy Flashing! :laugh:
Yep, I would recommend Carbon with the Kernel it comes with, or try with Marmite kernel too. Blazing fast, easy to use, lots of features. But in any case just feel free to look into the Dev section and see how many ROMs you can find there. Have fun
I tried all of above roms, they are speedy once you fresh install them. After you install few 10 apps, they become significantly less speedy.
As for gaming they are not much different than any other 4.2.2 rom. Carbon stock kernels gpu performance wasn't great for me, not to mention its was quite unstable (don't know how is with newer releases).
Gamerz rom usually scored on antutu around 1500-1600, which is pretty much the same as Cyanogenmod 10.1, but CM10.1 is almost bug free.
So if i can recommend you a good rom, id say try CM10.1, its speed matches above roms, stability is awesome. And if you want extra juice, flash kernel marmite 8.* over it, and Brainmasters tweaks.
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Thanks ppl! I appreciate it! I will Go for Carbon Rom and Marmite Kernel cz almost everyone praises it! as for CM, I will check it out later!
I use rasbeanjelly !!! The best for me
I tried the CM 10.1 RC1 and after 4 days it started to be unbelievably slow... I'm downgrading to CM 9.1 because JB seems to be really slow after a while on my phone....
No wonder..
For Android 4.+ you need to reduce number of apps which always run in memory, like Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype etc. Or use Greenify to make them hibernate when phone is in sleep. Thats the only way which low mem device like ours runs 4.0+ versions normally.
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Ok, I'm giving a try to this app.
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Try the Greenify app for memory issues, it does wonders.
Rasjellybean + matr1x = performance + rock solid stability at 1320ghz overclock my cousin and I both own a Nexus S and not a single reboot after 2 months. However I left that Rom for hellybean because of all the feature at the cost of stability at high OC, I don't know about you guys but marmite doesn't seem to like my device and gamerz ROM performance isn't that good
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I know the n5 on cm11 is very fast, but I just wanted to know is there any little tweaks to make the rom even better / faster?
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I know the n5 on cm11 is very fast, but I just wanted to know is there any little tweaks to make the rom even better / faster?
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Tring another custom rom can improve the user experience for instance
Some ROMs have a mod to improve the scrolling cache. You can also add some tweaks / features through Xposed, flash a custom kernel and so on... A lot of things to try actually ^^
Hmm better anything to improve performance or smoothness?
a different rom and kernel than cm. i wouldnt ever call cm fast or on top in performance. cm is more bloated then anything else. but if all youre looking for is mods, then cm is good.
Reduce animations, f2fs.
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Already have , I was just wondering how to get of the very little lags that come now and then
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Already have , I was just wondering how to get of the very little lags that come now and then
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go away from cm
Why? Is other roms drastically faster?
AOSP!
If they are much better, can you tell me why? Also, would you recommend me any rom
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If they are much better, can you tell me why? Also, would you recommend me any rom
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It's a nexus device. Just use stock. It's a good as it gets.
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It's a nexus device. Just use stock. It's a good as it gets.
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Not true. Google's ROM is optimized for certain uses, mainly just general use. Different custom ROMs are developed for different types of uses.
One reason there are no best ROM threads allowed. Different users prefer different ROMs because they use their phones in different ways. It is also part of the fun of experimenting. You can see how different ROMs react to your personal usage and most people usually settle with the one that fits them best, except flashaholics. Had my phone less than a month, went through about five ROMs, 4 custom and stock. Finally settled on slimkat as I like the features.
This also holds true for kernels.
If you want a rom that's basically stock with a few improvements in key areas with great performance and batt life, I suggest going Purity Rom + Code Blue. The kernel is optional as it also works well with Franco