Hey Guys,
I am relatively new to the world of Android being an IOS man until I took the plunge and got this cracking little Nexus.
One thing I have come across is how I seem to be losing RAM over about a period of an hour or so. On a restart my RAM reads about 1.3gb free. After some time it goes to 900mb free. I have APPs like Advanced Task Manager freeing up RAM every hour but thought that someone may have come up with a software tweak or solution that may stem the flow.
I am running a rooted with standard ROM and ElementalX Kernel.
Cheers
Jason
jasonst165 said:
Hey Guys,
I am relatively new to the world of Android being an IOS man until I took the plunge and got this cracking little Nexus.
One thing I have come across is how I seem to be losing RAM over about a period of an hour or so. On a restart my RAM reads about 1.3gb free. After some time it goes to 900mb free. I have APPs like Advanced Task Manager freeing up RAM every hour but thought that someone may have come up with a software tweak or solution that may stem the flow.
I am running a rooted with standard ROM and ElementalX Kernel.
Cheers
Jason
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
using apps that use ram to then try free it up try remove these type of apps and check after a few hours
jasonst165 said:
Hey Guys,
I am relatively new to the world of Android being an IOS man until I took the plunge and got this cracking little Nexus.
One thing I have come across is how I seem to be losing RAM over about a period of an hour or so. On a restart my RAM reads about 1.3gb free. After some time it goes to 900mb free. I have APPs like Advanced Task Manager freeing up RAM every hour but thought that someone may have come up with a software tweak or solution that may stem the flow.
I am running a rooted with standard ROM and ElementalX Kernel.
Cheers
Jason
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thats not a issue , not in android the less free ram you have the better.. if you search google you'll know and also dont use any app killer.
There's really no need to use apps to free up ram. We got 2gb of ram
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
Free ram is wasted ram, don't use any stupid task killers and forget about it
//Nexus 5//Nexus 4//HTC WFS//
So remove those APPs and it runs better with less RAM.
The revers of what Im used to :silly:
jasonst165 said:
So remove those APPs and it runs better with less RAM.
The revers of what Im used to :silly:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You could check RAM usage on iOS? (Genuine question, not a poke at Apple )
Always let android handle itself. I have used android since the HTC G1 and android keeps getting better and better managing itself. Don't use apps that help with the android system. They make it harder for the managing to do what it has to do. Let android do it.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
A memory leak is when a single app (or multiple apps) leak into memory. This would mean if you look in RAM, app1 is using 10MB. Then an hour later app1 is using 40MB, then an hour later, app1 is using 100MB. Its only a leak if the particular app is grabbing more memory and never releasing it.
What is described here is just RAM being used, which as already covered by everyone else, is a good thing
-----------------------
Sent via tapatalk.
I do NOT reply to support queries over PM. Please keep support queries to the Q&A section, so that others may benefit
As posted, let Android manage the RAM. It has become quite the mature operating system over the past few years. It will know when to remove an app from RAM when it needs to free some up.
As a general point of why you basically want less free RAM: RAM uses the same amount of power whether you have 2gb free or 1 byte free. The entire stick is powered on. When you cold-boot an app, it spins up the CPU to do what it needs to do to load it into memory (compile it in the case of a JIT compiler, etc). After you do what you want to do in that app, it's fine to keep in RAM. Again, that RAM is going to either be useful, or sit there empty, doing nothing. The advantage happens when/if you want to access that app in the future. If you offloaded it, the CPU has to spin up again (which uses power) and load it into memory. If it's still in memory, it just looks at the pointers in memory and addresses it. And this is where Android has matured and knows how to handle itself: when you leave all your apps open, open another one, and reach your RAM limit, Android knows which app to offload. I don't know the exact formula, but I'm betting time last accessed is a huge (heck, it could be the only; I simply don't know) factor.
And as @rootSU mentioned, this is all assuming normal behavior. If you do actually have a memory leak, that is bad, but you are describing normal RAM usage.
Related
When my phone just started it is about 180, then it dropped to 90 after extensive use (20ish minutes).
That is even after using advanced task killer...
Anyone else experiencing this?
That's still plenty o' memory.
Keep in mind that there's a lot of folks getting good performance out of Droids, Milestones, etc, that have half the RAM (256) to start with, and hover around 20-30mb free in normal operation.
I was curious about this myself and was going to make a thread about it soon. Regardless of if it's enough free memory, I'm still a little confused as to where all my memory is going. When I close everything with TasKiller, I can get to about 175 MB of RAM free. I have a friend with an EVO that always gets well over 200 MB free, and I imagine that the HTC Sense UI would use a lot more memory than Launcher Pro (which is what I'm using)... but I could be wrong.
I can hit about 230 free after killing all tasks. I uninstalled all the ATT apps not sure if that had anything to do with it. I also use Touchwiz with only 2 Widgets accross 2 home screens.
maybe its android 2.1 that has a cap on the memory
Guys, a little piece of advice if you're new to Android. Don't sweat memory usage, if it's above 40mb free you're generally doing just fine.
And those apps that are using memory aren't using much if any CPU cycles or power, most are just cached in case you need them, and are wiped out of the cache if something else needs the memory.
On the other hand, if you're killing a lot of background tasks by reflex, those tasks are taking MORE time and power to reload again if they're no longer cached, plus there's the overhead of the Task Killer. It's especially bad if you have a Task Killer set to auto-kill apps, even more overhead as the task killer has to remain active to sniff for things to auto-kill.
Task Killers are the devil, and they're like crack. Just walk away.
labbu63 said:
maybe its android 2.1 that has a cap on the memory
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thats what some people are saying. They said we should see more avail RAM when the 2.2 update comes out. Or if someone can do some kernel wizardry.
The specs on the box do not mention any amount of RAM. I would be unhappy if ATT only put in 256! I didn't look through the manual maybe it says in there.
Bjd223 said:
Thats what some people are saying. They said we should see more avail RAM when the 2.2 update comes out. Or if someone can do some kernel wizardry.
The specs on the box do not mention any amount of RAM. I would be unhappy if ATT only put in 256! I didn't look through the manual maybe it says in there.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
im going to look into this more cause thats strange but i dont think you should worry much about the ram cause like it was said before if u have 40mb free ur still good
labbu63 said:
maybe its android 2.1 that has a cap on the memory
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Indeed that seems to be the case, many threads about the issue can be found elsewhere on xda or google. Also this technical article from google: developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.htm (I can't post links yet)
yep ur right says more mem support at near bottom http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.html
2.6.32 kernel upgrade
HIGHMEM support for RAM >256MB
so it seems cause of the kernel
Well that's interesting. So you're saying that no matter what, right now we're only accessing 256 MB of RAM? I hadn't heard that before about 2.1, but that would be cool if our RAM essentially doubled in 2.2 (along with the massive CPU speed gains seen).
Again, it's not so much being worried that I'm going to run out of memory. It's simply a discussion on what people think we should be seeing. I'm certain that I don't have enough running to use 300 MB of RAM, which is why the question was raised. So I think we have our answer now and can rest easy waiting for 2.2.
As for the task killers... I honestly am more worried about CPU cycles for things I've left in the background than RAM. I've noticed my phone basically hang for a few seconds every so often, and I can only assume that something in the background is causing it. I'm going to turn off auto kill and not kill tasks manually for a while and see if there is any difference during use.
labbu63 said:
im going to look into this more cause thats strange but i dont think you should worry much about the ram cause like it was said before if u have 40mb free ur still good
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
40? No. 40mb of free RAM is unacceptable with todays smartphones on the market. I own a Captivate as well as a Nexus One and my Nexus consistently has 200-250 avail RAM. However when they first released the phone they only released it with 256 avail making my phone normally read about 120- 130 avail RAM. Now its been opened up to the 512(unless it had already been rooted) and it is much quicker than before. I'm wondering if something similar has been done with this phone.
well if it does have more than 256 mb it will be able to recognize rest in 2.2 as you said about ur nexus one maybe its just that the software on the captivate thats showing less you never know just gotta wait till some dev figures it out hopefully not to long
My phone is reporting 325mb of RAM, so I'm not sure if this is the same kernel limitation. I would appreciate if anyone could enlighten me as to whether or not the full 512 I was under the impression this phone possessed will be available under 2.2.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
ttalaoc said:
My phone is reporting 325mb of RAM, so I'm not sure if this is the same kernel limitation. I would appreciate if anyone could enlighten me as to whether or not the full 512 I was under the impression this phone possessed will be available under 2.2.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's exactly the limitation being talked about. Yes, 512 will be available after 2.2.
Until then, don't worry about it. Don't install a task killer, they just waste your time worrying about it. The OS has built in levels of memory where it starts to kill off different types of apps from background idle, all the way up to foreground active if entirely necessary. It WILL kill the extra apps if you need the memory.
I have been running ATK constantly since I got my Captivate a couple days ago. Not really concerned with memory usage as much as battery life. So far I get one full day of use before recharge, but I expect that to go up once I stop turning on the screen every few minutes to play with it. Can auto task killing negatively affect battery life?
I've been looking at how much free ram is available at any given time in my Bolt. With a stock debloated ROM I had about 325MB at start up and as I used the phone it went to ~230mB.
Now I'm running debloated Das BAMFv1.4 and have ~310MB free at boot and ~195 as the phone is use throughout the day.
These number slightly irritate me since my old INC has about 210MB at boot and 170MB as the day went on.
The Bolt has and extra 256MB so I'm thinking that it should reflect this in the free RAM. (I know that the bolt is running more process so call it and extra 170MB it should have)
Why is the Bolt so RAM hungry?
I'm using system panel (free edition works) to see how much free ram I have.
about ~360 on boot and ~250 on average during useage
I believe what you are seeing on the TB is some of that memory is reserved specifically for the GPU while on the incredible may not reflect it or uses less for the GPU.
Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk
Isn't "free ram" wasted ram in Android (and Linux in general)? People obsess over these things for no reason.
Does your phone perform okay? Is it sluggish or snappy? Do the apps you want to use open up fast enough for you? If it's snappy, then what are you worried about free ram for? It's a meaningless geek number unless you're diagnosing some performance issue.
If you really just really have to have more free ram, then get one of those apps like AutoKiller or Min Free Manager and tweak your memory manager settings. Neither of these are "task killers" per se, both are just apps that change the parameters for Android's built-in memory manager.
distortedloop said:
Isn't "free ram" wasted ram in Android (and Linux in general)? People obsess over these things for no reason.
Does your phone perform okay? Is it sluggish or snappy? Do the apps you want to use open up fast enough for you? If it's snappy, then what are you worried about free ram for? It's a meaningless geek number unless you're diagnosing some performance issue.
If you really just really have to have more free ram, then get one of those apps like AutoKiller or Min Free Manager and tweak your memory manager settings. Neither of these are "task killers" per se, both are just apps that change the parameters for Android's built-in memory manager.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Glad somebody gets it. Free RAM is wasted RAM. Thus why you have things like Superfetch in Windows now which caches all your programs.
My only concern with free RAM is what is taking up that space. Thus why you use a debloated ROM. That way only legitimate programs are taking up space.
I usually sit around 130-150. On my Eris I would be happy if I had 35-40
Sent from my ADR6400L
Start up is around 420mb with Virus ROM (Senseless) and as the day goes on it gets to around 300mb.
I would like to know what are your guys readings of RAM usage. Mine sits around 240MB/339MB
Is that high or normal? I do have quite a bit of widgets on different home screens so I dont know what the baseline is. Please share your results.
Good topic I was wondering this myself ...
Average ram I have is about 128MB free out off 339MB
Sent from my SGH-T959V using XDA App
179mb out of 339
Sent from my SGH-T959V using XDA App
moshe22 said:
179mb out of 339
Sent from my SGH-T959V using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wow, running widgets? maybe I should modify my running apps.
fknfocused said:
Wow, running widgets? maybe I should modify my running apps.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No widgets running at the moment though.
Sent from my SGH-T959V using XDA App
Task MAnagers!?!?!
I'm not sure if i am 100% right about this maybe won of the senior members who does know can enlighten us on this...
But I remember reading somewhere that task managers some times can hurt your phones RAM usage. I don't use one anymore unless it comes stock. and then I rarely find a reason to open it on mine. In standby I am running around 80-100 with 200-300 of freem RAM so with the SGS4G i don't think i will find a reason to use more than the stock utilities. I somtimes will installl a tool to monitor the RAM to see what I'm usin but every once in a while I go through and uninstall anything I don't need right away. I figure ussually being in good internet coverage I can always put something back.
So does anyone else know about wether or not the "Task Manager" could actually be a tantric in some cases?
moshe22 said:
No widgets running at the moment though.
Sent from my SGH-T959V using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So widgets are the ram hog on this phone? I have been constantly clearing ram in the task manager to help with speed. I only run clock, battery, and calender widgets on my device. Are they enough to boost me all the way to 240+ even after a RAM clearing? Considering the age of this thread is this still the case with new ROM's that are starting to roll out? I'm still stock, and very noob to android devices, but the urge for mods is growing given the positive responses to them.
http://m.lifehacker.com/5650894/and...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Very good article about task killers
Sent from my SGH-T959V
Bassmanjames said:
So widgets are the ram hog on this phone? I have been constantly clearing ram in the task manager to help with speed. I only run clock, battery, and calender widgets on my device. Are they enough to boost me all the way to 240+ even after a RAM clearing? Considering the age of this thread is this still the case with new ROM's that are starting to roll out? I'm still stock, and very noob to android devices, but the urge for mods is growing given the positive responses to them.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, this is def not the case anymore. I sit around 200MB free. Ever since cwm's final release the doors opened for us. Go get some love
sent from my not so stock SGS4G
You shouldn't have to worry too much about RAM usage. A lot of it used by the OS. But yeah widgets does lower it and whatever app you're using. But I hope you don't resort to using task killers just to save 50mb's of RAM. It's there for use and shouldn't be looked at too much.
Mine shows about 400/626, but haven't noticed any big difference in battery drain when it's at 300/626.
Simple answer....everything hogs ram. The best way to tell what's worse is settings » applications » manage applications and watch your ram usage when you have certain things running. You will notice what is hogging more than others.
sent from the pits of hell (from an sgs4g)
Thank you for the info everybody. Been ruinning just fine all day with the ram almost maxed out, hard to break that task manager habit though lol. Goona keep reading before I root-flash-mod need to make sure I get it right the first time.
On the moon our weekends are so advanced they encompass the entire week
Samsung and Tmo set many bloatware to run ALL the time and hogs RAM
via Linda file manager and auto memory manager (which tweak's android's memory management, not a standard task killer), i saw many apps that always run (many with priority equals to android system and the phone app) such as "wifi calling, visual voice mail, my account, qik, device management, drm, etc.
not everyone use these apps and they take up precious RAM and tiny amount of CPU cycles.
worse, however, is how the phone keeps loading unused, unaccessed, unwanted apps into memory (been weeks since I used pandora, yet it keeps getting reloaded into memory).
from clean boot, I get 150mb free. after a week, I get 45-55mb. This causes memory manager to kill off app as soon as you switch away and alot of stutter (dont you hate it when your browser gets killed)
Dont know if theres a fix for this. I tried tweaking the OOM parameters but it doesnt seem to work on this phone. Samsung probably tweaked something that broke this.
I'm usually sitting on somewhere between 60-100MB of free RAM. Now keep in mind, I have LOTS of widgets running, a gorgeous theme, spb 3d launcher, etc...and I prefer to keep those things going, because that's how I get my value from my phone. I don't think the phone is slow by any means...but because I'm used to using Windows, I'm paranoid about low ram. Should I be worried, or is it fine as long as I'm not experiencing bad performance?
Moving some apps to my internal sd card wouldn't do anything about RAM, correct?
mmapcpro said:
I'm usually sitting on somewhere between 60-100MB of free RAM. Now keep in mind, I have LOTS of widgets running, a gorgeous theme, spb 3d launcher, etc...and I prefer to keep those things going, because that's how I get my value from my phone. I don't think the phone is slow by any means...but because I'm used to using Windows, I'm paranoid about low ram. Should I be worried, or is it fine as long as I'm not experiencing bad performance?
Moving some apps to my internal sd card wouldn't do anything about RAM, correct?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm not an expert at all, but rather someone with the same question. As explained to me, the newer versions of android are most excellent in memory management. The need to manage memory, like in windows, is not there in newer versions.
With that said, being from windows, seeing low memory counts freak me out. I've been convinced by the people on this forum, to give it a try and not freak out. Avoid using task killers and such. Only thing I do is remove apps and Widgets I do not use. I've not regretted that advice.
It really all depends on what you are doing on the phone. If you only have 10 MB left, but are only checking emails, you are fine. But if you were to start playing a game from the terga zone, then you will have problems.
Sent from my G2x using Tapatalk
aowendoff said:
It really all depends on what you are doing on the phone. If you only have 10 MB left, but are only checking emails, you are fine. But if you were to start playing a game from the terga zone, then you will have problems.
Sent from my G2x using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Right, but, my understanding is, android will shutdown unused tasks to accommodate the need.
I learned with windows phone 7, there is a balance between live tiles, battery life, and performance. I assume that android has a similar premise. Do I need 40 Widgets on my desktop. What is the trade off if I do.
Again, I'm # noob to android...but this is how I'm proceeding.
Android keeps things in ram, which I would think is so apps can start up faster. If you are using something and it needs more ram than is free, android will remove something that isn't running to free memory. as far as too little, ram not being used is wasted. So just because you have a low amount free means nothing. The only thing that would be bad is if running services and apps needed more ram than the phone physically has. so just because there is little free means nothing really.
Read the article linked to in the first post of this thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=678205
Pay special attention to the Addendum at the end where it talks specifically about the way Android/Linux handles memory.
I'm curious about how much free ram everyone has on average after their rom has finished booting and stabilized! Post it here!!!
jookdakang23 said:
I'm curious about how much free ram everyone has on average after their rom has finished booting and stabilized! Post it here!!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Say like fresh boot let it sit for 5 minutes??? Post what rom and kernels you are using as well, as some of us are on the mobile app.
EB build 3 ICS, built in kernel.
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium
mt3g said:
Say like fresh boot let it sit for 5 minutes??? Post what rom and kernels you are using as well, as some of us are on the mobile app.
EB build 3 ICS, built in kernel.
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
you must have nothin running lol
jookdakang23 said:
you must have nothin running lol
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
it was a fresh boot, I didn't open anything just let it sit for a cigarettes length and then looked at it. Now that I have used the phone I'm at 191MB.
mt3g said:
it was a fresh boot, I didn't open anything just let it sit for a cigarettes length and then looked at it. Now that I have used the phone I'm at 191MB.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
o ok, ics does manage ram better than gb anyway. im using weapon g2x
Just did a fresh boot on stock 2.3.3 (unrooted) and let it sit for five minutes. I have 1weather running in addition to a couple game push notification services. I have 238 mb free ram right now.
UCFJake said:
Just did a fresh boot on stock 2.3.3 (unrooted) and let it sit for five minutes. I have 1weather running in addition to a couple game push notification services. I have 238 mb free ram right now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
how about a screenshot? that's pretty good!
Here it is. It bumped down to 237mb by the time I thought to screenshot it.
i run about 40-80mb free on average just the way i want it.
Android uses ram differently than other operating systems like windows or linux,
it fills your ram with things that you have run already in hopes that youll run them again and it will be alot faster the second time. if it needs that ram for something else, it just kills a program and removes it from ram (this takes VERY little time)
so the more ram used the better
Klathmon said:
i run about 40-80mb free on average just the way i want it.
Android uses ram differently than other operating systems like windows or linux,
it fills your ram with things that you have run already in hopes that youll run them again and it will be alot faster the second time. if it needs that ram for something else, it just kills a program and removes it from ram (this takes VERY little time)
so the more ram used the better
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I understand what you are saying but in some cases like mine, I only have about 5-8 apps that I use.
mt3g said:
I understand what you are saying but in some cases like mine, I only have about 5-8 apps that I use.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thats about all it holds. the VM heap settings are what causes this (in part) each app gets its own virtual machine to run in, this has a limited heap (ram) size of whatever is set in there.
so if your VM heap size is set to 48mb... 48 * 5 = 240mb and 48 * 8 = 384mb
add in whats needed for Android system, kernel, and various background processes that you need... its all gone
Klathmon said:
thats about all it holds. the VM heap settings are what causes this (in part) each app gets its own virtual machine to run in, this has a limited heap (ram) size of whatever is set in there.
so if your VM heap size is set to 48mb... 48 * 5 = 240mb and 48 * 8 = 384mb
add in whats needed for Android system, kernel, and various background processes that you need... its all gone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
fair enough, never thought of that.
mt3g said:
fair enough, never thought of that.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
it honestly was not that long ago that i was using a task killer, killing every freakin app running because i was mad it was using up all my ram... then i wanted to start developing stuff for android, and i quickly learned the error of my ways
so u dont agree with auto task killers and you saying the system runs better with lower ram?
that's what he is saying, that's been known since eclair was introduced to android though... I just never thought of the more ram being used the better.
This is what I have left! Running latest euroskank cm7. Was 130 right before screen shot
Sent from my LG-P999
jookdakang23 said:
so u dont agree with auto task killers and you saying the system runs better with lower ram?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
that's what I'm sayin! if the OS already has the program your trying to launch in memory, it wont need to load it, saving time and power.
and if you kill programs forcefully, android (kinda) treats it like it crashed, and reloads it into memory soon after...
Klathmon said:
that's what I'm sayin! if the OS already has the program your trying to launch in memory, it wont need to load it, saving time and power.
and if you kill programs forcefully, android (kinda) treats it like it crashed, and reloads it into memory soon after...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ok so memory can go below 100mb without a problem because i always try to free memory around 150mb
jookdakang23 said:
ok so memory can go below 100mb without a problem because i always try to free memory around 150mb
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
it all depends on what your min-free settings are.
the apps that fall into each category are slightly different for each ROM, but whatever the highest setting is at is what your free memory should sit around, and it can and will fluctuate alot for seemingly no reason.
and before you all go out and change them as high as you can, just know that free memory is wasted memory, it takes NO power to keep things in memory, but it does take power to put things in memory every time you open it!
This explains it a bit better than i can.
Klathmon said:
it all depends on what your min-free settings are.
the apps that fall into each category are slightly different for each ROM, but whatever the highest setting is at is what your free memory should sit around, and it can and will fluctuate alot for seemingly no reason.
and before you all go out and change them as high as you can, just know that free memory is wasted memory, it takes NO power to keep things in memory, but it does take power to put things in memory every time you open it!
This explains it a bit better than i can.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
makes sense, so basically task killers do the complete opposite? lol i will let services and apps stay in memory without a task killer and see how things go