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I have the parrothd v1.6 adhoc wifi tether and it's running sweet with Vista. Just one question; I tried to download a little torrent while connected and utorrent can't even connect. Does anybody know if it's t-mobile (UK) blocking my torrent traffic or maybe a product of the tether method?
Alex
i'm not sure but wouldn't you have to forward some ports G1 side?
also, i doubt t-mobile will loook kindly on torrent downloading.
Yah not too sure about running torrents off your phone. Would be nice though.
There are a couple of similar options. Utorrent does have a webUI you can configure.
http://www.utorrent.com/webui-guide.php
I'm sure someone could optimize the UI for mobile via some scripting. I think I saw a greesemonkey clone on the market.
Did a little searching and found this miniUI someone made.
http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=47167
Uh, you do realize that cell phone towers aren't designed to be streaming dozens or hundreds of megabytes of data from one phone non-stop, right?
Being able to send the odd bit of low-volume traffic over a teather could come in handy in some situations. If people start using that ability to transfer hundreds of megabytes of whatever then we're going to start seeing all kinds of annoying countermeasures. Even if you're only downloading a 3MB MP3 you could end up uploading far more than that if you seed.
Please don't be the android user who gets the 3G internet closed off to everything but port 80. If you want to do a little more than browse the web I'm sure T-mobile will look the other way, but if you start impacting the network then that neighborly trust will go out the window.
It really isn't fair to expect your carrier to deliver that kind of bandwidth over their network. While 3G could potentially deliver meaningful bittorrent to ONE phone in a cell it can't do that and allow the casual web browsers to browse the web. I'm sure the TOS has to have something in it to prohibit this kind of behavior.
If you want to download a linux distro or something do it over WiFi via a landline.
Whats the difference between that and running a 3g broadband card form a carrier....
I have used a verizon card to download tons of stuff since I am not expected to make phone calls with it all i can do is download....almost all day long...and cell towers can handle it fine.
Cell towers don't just handle call anymore you know...data is no problem for them.
Tether away!!!
Justanothercrowd makes a good arguement; there are tons of people downloading torrent files over the 3G network here without having any impact on other users. I figure utorrent would work on a 3G card with my G1 sim in it anyway.
I spoke to t-mobile about data limits and they told me that they just limit your bandwidth if you repeatedly run over 5 gig a month.
I'm not sure what you guys mean about the webUI? Could you explain how that would help?
It could just be a case of forwarding ports in the Ip table that is used by the tether; Meltus is usually right about these things; I will have a go and post results here.
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user27 said:
Justanothercrowd makes a good arguement; there are tons of people downloading torrent files over the 3G network here without having any impact on other users. I figure utorrent would work on a 3G card with my G1 sim in it anyway.
I spoke to t-mobile about data limits and they told me that they just limit your bandwidth if you repeatedly run over 5 gig a month.
I'm not sure what you guys mean about the webUI? Could you explain how that would help?
It could just be a case of forwarding ports in the Ip table that is used by the tether; Meltus is usually right about these things; I will have a go and post results here.
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The webUI allows you to download a torrent to your pc. You could then transfer the file to your G1 via ftp.
Hmmm, I used tether for torrents for 4 straight days when my regular internet was down. I tried to max out all the transfer rates, in the beginning I used to get about 100-110kbps down and 40kbps up. But after the 1st day, the next three days i just for 50kbps down and when it used to be at 50kbps I could not browse web smoothly. I dont know why the rates went down by 50%, I did not change any settings. Maybe port forwarding and NAT functionality in the tether app might help.
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Hmmm, I used tether for torrents for 4 straight days when my regular internet was down. I tried to max out all the transfer rates, in the beginning I used to get about 100-110kbps down and 40kbps up. But after the 1st day, the next three days i just for 50kbps down and when it used to be at 50kbps I could not browse web smoothly. I dont know why the rates went down by 50%, I did not change any settings. Maybe port forwarding and NAT functionality in the tether app might help.
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perhaps t-mobile realised what you were doing, or you downloaded too much and they limited your bandwith temporarily
could be the reason but im not sure if they do it instantly or they apply it next month? someone will probably know
more complicated than I expected!
Now I see what you mean about the web interface thanks; it is an option but I don't really want the files on my phone and they would not be much use on my laptop if it were connected to a landline somewhere.
I had a look at configureing the ports but it's a fair bit more complicated than I expected!
Should I be adding a torrent classifier between tiwlan lines 170 and 180 or can I just forward a port in dnsmasq.conf?
Thanks for your help guys, Alex
I have tried both tiwlan and dnsmasq now but I still can't get a connection; has anybody else managed to get torrents running over thsi tether?
Alex
Don't use your phone to torrent, you are asking for trouble. Repeated high bandwidth use every month will get you problems with TMobile.
I know they have those cards for the internet, but the data plans with those cards cost a lot more for a reason, they expect to get a lot more traffic. Currently verizon and at&t charge more for tethering, even if you are already paying for a data plan, tmobile does not. Do not make tmobile start charging.
Thanks for your insight but there are a few issues with your argument.
Who says torrents have to be high bandwidth? All the clients that I have used provide the option to set bandwidth limits.
What's the difference between streaming youtube videos off the net and downloading the video in a torrent? Streaming video is not as well compressed as that of your average torrent so in effect it would use less bandwidth than it would to stream it at similar quality. Then I can fix my ratios when I have wifi access.
Tmobile (uk) charge extra for their "unlimited" data plan on top of what they charge for calls and sms.
If you took the time to read the thread thus far you would see that I have spoken to tmobile on the subject of effective data limits.
Most uk mobile networks (O2 and Orange last time I checked) block tethered data usage for pay as you go customers but they allow tethered data usage for all contract customers.
Could you just help me out rather than trying to convince me that what I'm doing is immoral?
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I know they have those cards for the internet, but the data plans with those cards cost a lot more for a reason, they expect to get a lot more traffic. Currently verizon and at&t charge more for tethering, even if you are already paying for a data plan, tmobile does not. Do not make tmobile start charging.
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I _WISH_ T-Mobile had an upcharge for an unlimited data plan. I have T-Mobile AND AT&T (and Verizon!) and use my AT&T unlimited tethering plan for my 3G access on the road (and from home). Sometimes I use AT&T and Verizon simultaneously through my Cradlepoint (works great as a fail-safe backup). If I could switch to T-Mobile (gets better signal in about 40% of locations I'm in daily), I'd be in heaven. I don't mind paying a LOT more for wireless 3G if it's unlimited.
Honestly, I've NEVER seen any issues with 3G downloading/torrenting, and I'm all over the country all the time. Voice calls seem to get priority, but the 3G bandwidth is QOS'd well enough. During busy phone-hours, my speed drops fairly significantly, but when I use it most (off-hours), I have no problem.
T-Mobile will probably offer an unlimited tethering plan (they have to), and I'd jump on it in 10 seconds flat.
BTW, when I did tether my G1, I didn't have any problems using uTorrent. Speeds were comparable to AT&T, and I don't recall having to make any changes. What I do prefer about AT&T is that it seems to give me a real IP versus some NAT-shared IP. Not sure about T-Mobile's IP configuration, but I assume we're all on some internal NAT shared pool before we jump onto the web.
Why you shoudn't torrent over 3g.
Torrents open a host of tcp connections, unlike a download that only needs 1. This really bogs down yor cell block. This is the key. Each cell block has finite use of bandwith. If you hog all the bandwith consitently or have to many tcp connections open to long t-mobile has no choice but to limit you. You are degrading the expereince of others in that cell block. Maybe in the future the technical limitations will be gone like in wimax.
I know T-Mobile US has the right to kick you off the network if they can see you are running torrents. While you don't need any ports forwarded to download off a torrent tracker, you do need it for the other services (DHT)
Honestly you shouldn't be running torrents period, some users will say they do it and they are the reason networks put limits. If you continue to abuse T-Mobile they will soon put a limit too.
On top of that torrents are more destructive on the network than downloading by any other method because of what is actually going on. Torrents work both ways, download and upload at the same time, This means that if you download normally at 110 and upload normally at 50 that you will not get those speeds on torrents. The way bandwidth works is that you can't do both at the same time. It is a mixture of the 2, 20% download means 80% upload in the simpliest of terms.
In either case if you choose to rape T-Mobiles networks I hope they rape your wallet.
I'd be happy with a Torrent client for WiFi only.. too erratic on 3G
I have two t-mobile UK contracts, one for data and one for my G1. I've run torrents on the data contract without issue.
The argument that many tcp connections are opened by bittorrent clients seems fallacious. The cost of opening a tcp connection is minimal especially without DNS.
The argument that torrents rape t-mobiles network also seems to be erroneous. t-mobile are interested in the amount of bandwidth you use (both up and down) and of major importance is the bandwidth between you and the cell transmitter as this is the highest cost portion of the journey and so signal strength plays a part in reducing retransmission.
The G1 in the UK comes with the equivalent of web and walk plus, which has a 3G data limit per month. I can quite imagine that t-mobile won't contact you until you exceed 5G as mentioned earlier but 3G is the official limit and it seems sensible to work with that.
The thing I find most annoying about the t-mobile net connection in the UK is the use of image compression by default and with no android client to turn this off you have to refresh pages all the time to get them in decent quality.
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I have two t-mobile UK contracts, one for data and one for my G1. I've run torrents on the data contract without issue.
The argument that many tcp connections are opened by bittorrent clients seems fallacious. The cost of opening a tcp connection is minimal especially without DNS.
The argument that torrents rape t-mobiles network also seems to be erroneous. t-mobile are interested in the amount of bandwidth you use (both up and down) and of major importance is the bandwidth between you and the cell transmitter as this is the highest cost portion of the journey and so signal strength plays a part in reducing retransmission.
The G1 in the UK comes with the equivalent of web and walk plus, which has a 3G data limit per month. I can quite imagine that t-mobile won't contact you until you exceed 5G as mentioned earlier but 3G is the official limit and it seems sensible to work with that.
The thing I find most annoying about the t-mobile net connection in the UK is the use of image compression by default and with no android client to turn this off you have to refresh pages all the time to get them in decent quality.
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I was speaking purely about T-Mobile US
Hi i have mobile wifi router installed on my phone (came with duttys rom) and i was wondering if using it my network could tell and charge me extra?
I have an unlimited data plan but i know I could pay an extra £10 and then my phone could be used as a mobile boradband device, does this mean that if i try to use the mobile wifi router program that my carrier would be able to tell and block it or charge me extra?
Also is there a way to share the phone connection with a pc without using wifi and without having to buy the networks extra mobile boradband package because I will almost never use it but its good to know i have the option if i go on holiday or whatever, maybe i want to prows the web in the garden soemthing like that
no wifi works even if you don't have a sim card in the phone
just like pda's with wifi and no phone
just like your laptop connecting with wifi to the router
just like your desktop connecting with wifi or cable to the router
no its not that, mobile wifi router converts your phone into a router so your laptop/whatever can connect to it and use its data connection to connect to the internet, I was just wondering if doing this the network can tell and then charge me extra as they usually charge for using your phone as an internet access point
the connection from the phone to the laptop or computer is free anything wifi
the cost to go onto internet will however depend on your satat rates, just to be sure id ask your operator
Hi thanks for trying to help, but thats not what I was asking. I know wifi connections are free what I was asking is if my operator will be able to tell the difference between my phone using its data connection and my laptop using my phones data connection.
The reason I ask is that I have unlimited data for my phone.
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you can pay extra money to upgrade your account to allow your phone to be used as a mobile broadband dongle
but if they can't tell the difference between phone using its data and pc using its data then there is no need to pay the extra money.
is this the case or am i missing something
Depending on your operator, there could be a max of MB's. So it might be 500 MB/month, but also unlimited internet. With that, you are able to use it without any extra costs.
Is it possible to somewhat put up a wifi network on your phone via some program (WiFi Router is one I think) and connect to it and use it ON your phone?
aaah teething
as far as I know they should not be able to detect it
but I could be mistaken
If the usage is large 500MB/month, carrier might suspect unusual activity. teething is paid service with some carriers.
I have a G1 tethered on T-mobile USA. I have talked to customer service. They said they do not support tethering but that it is not illegal. Their solution is to allow a soft cap of 10gb of data service with their unlimited plan and once you reach the cap they throttle the internet speed down from 3g to 2g levels. Not to horrible. I play all my online games with my G1 connection, Counter Strike Source, Perfect World International, Flyff, and download quite a bit of music and usually only reach about 300mb a day which gives me a full month of service before i reach that cap. And at the start of the new month I get reset.
I´m in the same situation.
I´ve got an unlimited data plan, which covers phone/PDA use, but EXCLUDES using the device as a modem for a PC/Laptop (tethering).
I´ve tethered it ocasionally, and it worked.
My carrier didnt charge me extra, nor blocked. BUT i know the risk exists. I´ve tried to research.
What i read is that carrier COULD tell if you are tethering by traffic analysis (one way is looking the user agent of your web pages request, which identifies yor browser), but that this traffic analysys is not practical, and most carriers dont do it....by now.
So of you tether ocasionally, you are safe.....today, ....until carriers perceive there is a number significant enough to make profits,of people tethering under a data plan intented just for phone use, then they can start charging you.
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I have a G1 tethered on T-mobile USA. I have talked to customer service. They said they do not support tethering but that it is not illegal. Their solution is to allow a soft cap of 10gb of data service with their unlimited plan and once you reach the cap they throttle the internet speed down from 3g to 2g levels. Not to horrible. I play all my online games with my G1 connection, Counter Strike Source, Perfect World International, Flyff, and download quite a bit of music and usually only reach about 300mb a day which gives me a full month of service before i reach that cap. And at the start of the new month I get reset.
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ha nice, well im gonna give it a go anyway and see what happens, its just funny that they specifically advertise to upgrade your account to be able to do this as if they can somehow tell. I dunno what mobile boradband is like in the us but in the uk there advertising it all over the place as if its someting people really need instead of something that is ocasionally useful, apart from in your case its mad how much you do through your phone.
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I´m in the same situation.
I´ve got an unlimited data plan, which covers phone/PDA use, but EXCLUDES using the device as a modem for a PC/Laptop (tethering).
I´ve tethered it ocasionally, and it worked.
My carrier didnt charge me extra, nor blocked. BUT i know the risk exists. I´ve tried to research.
What i read is that carrier COULD tell if you are tethering by traffic analysis (one way is looking the user agent of your web pages request, which identifies yor browser), but that this traffic analysys is not practical, and most carriers dont do it....by now.
So of you tether ocasionally, you are safe.....today, ....until carriers perceive there is a number significant enough to make profits,of people tethering under a data plan intented just for phone use, then they can start charging you.
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thanks for this, if the only thing they can do to check is by the web requests of your browser surely there is a way to pretend to be opera mobile for example which should receive the full web anyway. Anyway as you say I won;t be using it much if at all so if i do fancy it i think ill just take the risk and see what happens worse they can do is charge me a little extra and i may even be able to avoid that by pleeding ignorance
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Is it possible to somewhat put up a wifi network on your phone via some program (WiFi Router is one I think) and connect to it and use it ON your phone?
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I don't quite understand this question, you could use the program i mentioned to make your phone into a wifi access point and use its data connection to the internet then anything you like could then connect to it e.g. another phone, psp, ps3 laptop .....
is that what you ment?
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When using the internet connection mode does the phone have a built in firewall or port blocker? My laptop was already connected to the internet through my home's WiFI internet and I was downloading off bittorrent using µTorrent. I was getting decent download speeds on my torrents, but almost nothing on upload. Knowing that the LTE network is more balanced and generally faster than my home network I connected my phone to my laptop via usb and selected internet connection mode.
At this time I noticed no difference and opened task manager to check network utilization. Task manager showed that my home network connection was being used and LTE was not being utilized at all. So I disconnected from my home network and waited for µTorrent to adjust to my phone's connection. After tinkering with some settings in µTorrent it showed the "!" at the bottom right notifying me that either the port I've selected is blocked or some other setting is stopping my connection from being used to it's full potential. I again check task manager and as far as network utilization goes it was around ~1% and my download speeds are far from what they should be, and far worse than when I was just on WiFi.
So I connect back to the WiFi and µTorrent starts behaving how it did before I tried to use my phone. Task manager shows more activity on the WiFi connection and still around 1% for the phone's connection.
My concern is how can I maximize LTE's potential when for bittorrent. Is there some kind of built in port blocker or firewall element? Or is it some kind of protection set up by Verizon and they know I'm using their network for bittorrent? I was getting consistent 5MBps Down and Up when I tested my laptop using internet connection mode, so network stability shouldn't be the issue. Any thoughts?
I haven't tested it, but I'd be willing to bet that the built-in internet sharing mode on the phone blocks certain ports. You could try using a tethering app like EasyTether or PDAnet.
Are you rooted? You could try Wireless Tether for Root Users, and see if you get any different results with that, too. I had some issues using VPN from my OG Droid because there were some blocked ports when using USB tethering, but once I rooted and started using Wireless Tether, all my problems went away. It'd be worth checking out. If you're not rooted, I would imagine that the wifi hotspot would act the same way (although it's only free for another week or so).
Sweet! Another person who's going to get us capped.
Ya, runniNg bittorents off your phone is RETARDED
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When using the internet connection mode does the phone have a built in firewall or port blocker? My laptop was already connected to the internet through my home's WiFI internet and I was downloading off bittorrent using µTorrent. I was getting decent download speeds on my torrents, but almost nothing on upload. Knowing that the LTE network is more balanced and generally faster than my home network I connected my phone to my laptop via usb and selected internet connection mode.
At this time I noticed no difference and opened task manager to check network utilization. Task manager showed that my home network connection was being used and LTE was not being utilized at all. So I disconnected from my home network and waited for µTorrent to adjust to my phone's connection. After tinkering with some settings in µTorrent it showed the "!" at the bottom right notifying me that either the port I've selected is blocked or some other setting is stopping my connection from being used to it's full potential. I again check task manager and as far as network utilization goes it was around ~1% and my download speeds are far from what they should be, and far worse than when I was just on WiFi.
So I connect back to the WiFi and µTorrent starts behaving how it did before I tried to use my phone. Task manager shows more activity on the WiFi connection and still around 1% for the phone's connection.
My concern is how can I maximize LTE's potential when for bittorrent. Is there some kind of built in port blocker or firewall element? Or is it some kind of protection set up by Verizon and they know I'm using their network for bittorrent? I was getting consistent 5MBps Down and Up when I tested my laptop using internet connection mode, so network stability shouldn't be the issue. Any thoughts?
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I'm sure they block ports, and to be honest, I sincerely hope they block torrenting on a cell phone. Why not use your wifi?
As others have already stated use your home internet connection as I like having unlimited data.
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I'm sure they block ports, and to be honest, I sincerely hope they block torrenting on a cell phone. Why not use your wifi?
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It's because LTE's upload speeds are superior to my home connection. And for people worried about getting capped, there is no way I could get within the 10% of users who are throttled.
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It's people like you that are going to ruin it for the legitimate rest of us. There is absolutely zero reason you should be torrenting on your phone, thats what your home connection is for. As mentioned earlier I hope that they do block the ports as I love my unlimited data plan knowing that I don't have to check my usage every 3 minutes like I would with att and their 2gb limit.
So in short, stop doing what your doing and ruining it for the rest of the U.S.
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It's because LTE's upload speeds are superior to my home connection. And for people worried about getting capped, there is no way I could get within the 10% of users who are throttled.
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Neither matters soon Verizon will take away the unlimited tethering plan and you will be sol. Even if you use a rooted wireless hotspot Verizon will know when you start racking up the gbs.
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I didn't realize it was such a big deal. Especially since it's a service I pay for, and I wasn't planning on torrenting the entire internet.
Since there are so many concerns of losing unlimited data, I'll think twice before using my phone's network to do any heavy downloading or uploading.
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I didn't realize it was such a big deal. Especially since it's a service I pay for, and I wasn't planning on torrenting the entire internet.
Since there are so many concerns of losing unlimited data, I'll think twice before using my phone's network to do any heavy downloading or uploading.
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First off you are not paying for the Mobile Hotspot service it is free until May 15th.
Second as of right now there is no real threat of losing the unlimited plan. Verizon has not said anything about taking it away and as of right now you could up and download 100gb of data and Verizon may say nothing. The problem is that we just don't know. We could wake up tomorrow and all have capped plans (As it is in the contract we all signed when we bought our phones Verizon can change the details of the data plans basically at any time they want) Yes there is like a 1% chance of this happening at the PR Verizon would get from this would most likely run them into the ground but the thought is still out there. And for most of us who only use ~5gb of data per month or less just don't want to worry about that odd month when maybe some new series comes out and they use 50gb.
TLDR: As of right now its more of just a fear of losing it than anything else and not really something to be too worried about ATM.
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I didn't realize it was such a big deal. Especially since it's a service I pay for, and I wasn't planning on torrenting the entire internet.
Since there are so many concerns of losing unlimited data, I'll think twice before using my phone's network to do any heavy downloading or uploading.
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Or at least posting here about doing so.
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It's because LTE's upload speeds are superior to my home connection. And for people worried about getting capped, there is no way I could get within the 10% of users who are throttled.
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There is a difference in using a phone to web browse, or to watch a movie or whatever, and maxing it out 24/7 and saturating the connection to torrent.
One is a bad idea IMO.
Got it guys. I agree with all previous posts. I don't want to get capped either and I won't be a factor towards it.
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That's bull...you pay for it you use it how you want...I dare Verizon to come at me already and I told them I'm rooted...I ruin my OG Droid and they still replaced it...they make hundreds of millions of dollars and I pay an already high phone bill...too bad there is already an Frostwire app
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That's bull...you pay for it you use it how you want...I dare Verizon to come at me already and I told them I'm rooted...I ruin my OG Droid and they still replaced it...they make hundreds of millions of dollars and I pay an already high phone bill...too bad there is already an Frostwire app
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LOL. Another reprobate weighs in.
"you pay for it you use it how you want"
So, exactly how much are you "paying" for tethering (not that which is currently offered as a freebie, but the theft of services your comment implies)? Your comment might be better phrased "you pay for it, I use it," since it's going to be paid for by someone, and if not by those who rationalize stealing it, then by the rest of us.
"they make hundreds of millions of dollars"
I'm guessing (assuming you're not still in Jr. High, as your attitude suggests), that you make thousands of dollars. So, I'd be justified in stealing from you, by your logic.
"I pay an already high phone bill"
If it's too high, it's very easy to cancel the service. Obviously, since you're posting in the TB forum, you have one, which means you've recently renewed your service. Which is it - you agreed that the value per dollar was acceptable, or you're just stupid?
You have to disable other connections after enabling internet sharing mode. Windows doesnt magically switch to a better connection on its own.
People should also remember that torrent does not mean illegal. He never mentioned what he was downloading. Apparently no one else in this thread has ever downloaded a linux distro, since bittorent is a primary way to do it. Certain games and game content are distributed legally through bittorent as well along with other software (generally opensource stuff).
The other day I didn't want to wait 30 minutes for aptitude to update my system on my 630KB/s average DSL, so I plugged in my phone to internet sharing on LTE and it was done in < 5minutes @ 2500KB/s average.
Verizon's network does not block ports as far as I know, but you are behind NAT, so you aren't going to be running any sort of server either on the public internet or easily connecting to your phone from a remote location.
Why do people take threads like this off the rails so quickly? The OP asked a simple question that didn't really warrant a philosophical decision. Imposing your will on the miniscule number of TB users who visit XDA won't make any appreciable impact on Verizon's attitude towards sanctioned network use.
OP, please report back if following "yareally"'s suggestion of disabling other connections works once ICS is enabled. Also, are you able to bridge your connection to the TB's in Windows? It'd be sweet to be able to merge WiFi (for speed) with LTE (for reliability).
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That's bull...you pay for it you use it how you want...I dare Verizon to come at me already and I told them I'm rooted...I ruin my OG Droid and they still replaced it...they make hundreds of millions of dollars and I pay an already high phone bill...too bad there is already an Frostwire app
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If you use frostwire... you probably still have a myspace...
Lol at your made-up story, VZW is here on XDA also... they just might come at you bro...
In regards to the OP, lol at anyone who thinks this one single guy is going to be the downfall of unlimited data...
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OP, please report back if following "yareally"'s suggestion of disabling other connections works once ICS is enabled. Also, are you able to bridge your connection to the TB's in Windows? It'd be sweet to be able to merge WiFi (for speed) with LTE (for reliability).
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Nope, cant bridge them in windows and use both (that is, it's not as simple as selecting both connections and clicking bridge). There's some ways to distribute their use over *nix and/or using a router and using them as separate connections, but it's not worth the time/effort. If you're really interested in doing it, there's some discussions about it on the xda forums already and elsewhere if you google around.
Did the obligatory searches - didn't see anyone else in my shoes.
AT&T sent me a text and a letter in the mail telling me that they'd detected me tethering and that they would be changing my plan automatically to a tethering plan if I didn't stop.
I'm not sure how they figured it out, as I am pretty sure from past research on this forum that both tethering and cell data use the same APN. My only guess is that while on vacation, a massive data spike gave it away, as my phone was my only connection to the outside world.
This is fair warning to everyone that it seems AT&T is after tetherers.
Home from vacation, my data usage has gone way, way down so:
Was this a bluff by A&T based oin data usage?
Does anyone know the means which AT&T discerns who is/isn't tethering?
Has anyone else gotten this warning?
Well if you went over their cap it probably set of a few alarms.
It's possible to detect heuristically, if you're looking for it. If you're using deep packet inspection (which they probably aren't), it's dead easy (look for things like desktop browser user agents).
kenikh said:
Did the obligatory searches - didn't see anyone else in my shoes.
AT&T sent me a text and a letter in the mail telling me that they'd detected me tethering and that they would be changing my plan automatically to a tethering plan if I didn't stop.
I'm not sure how they figured it out, as I am pretty sure from past research on this forum that both tethering and cell data use the same APN. My only guess is that while on vacation, a massive data spike gave it away, as my phone was my only connection to the outside world.
This is fair warning to everyone that it seems AT&T is after tetherers.
Home from vacation, my data usage has gone way, way down so:
Was this a bluff by A&T based oin data usage?
Does anyone know the means which AT&T discerns who is/isn't tethering?
Has anyone else gotten this warning?
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This is an issue that has been coming up in a lot of android/ios threads, and everyone has their own theory, but my guess is they're conducting individual (automated) audits when they detect subscribers with high usage. It would take a ridiculous amount of computing power to look at the IP packets & track every TTL hop of every subscriber with a data plan, but if your usage is over a certain amount, or in the arbitrary "top 5% of consumers", they're probably flagging your account for an audit of TTL hops.
That's the only way I can think of that would affect iOS, Android, Blackberry and WP7 all in the same way. Some people have been saying it's mostly iOS users, and others say its mainly Android or WP7 or whatever, but there's no evidence for any particular platform versus the others. I'm sure they're capable of figuring out each platform's standard TTL, so if they know what device you're using, they can easily identify any device you connect via your phone.
The only exception to this seems to be the Blackberry Playbook bridge feature, which is essentially just projecting the phone's browser session onto the Playbook's screen (albeit quite effectively). As far as I can tell, the only way they're identifying Playbook tethering is when people download the bridge app from App world as opposed to rroy's OTA method.
Were you tethering via internet sharing? I've received the same message from AT&T but only after turning on internet sharing for the first time. I tethered for over USB for 10 months before that with no problem. When I first got the message I stopped tethering completely because I didn't know what caused it (though it could of been the 13GB of data I was using). After discussing it on here I came to the conclusion that the message from AT&T was only received after tethering over Wifi, and that there were no issues with USB tethering. I've tethered since then and haven't heard anything from AT&T. So what method were you using? And if you say only USB it will prove my theory wrong.
Searching first is great, reading the sticky post would also be a good idea.
No Questions in the development section please.
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I received a text, an email, and a letter from AT&T. They just want more money from people to change to the 4 GB with tethering.
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jkern10 said:
I received a text, an email, and a letter from AT&T. They just want more money from people to change to the 4 GB with tethering.
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Same here...I have only tethered once since getting these warnings, I wonder if they would actually change my plan though.
wow I had gotten the htc titan but i switched to tmobile and the radar 4g just because tmo seems to turn a blind eye to tethering...
i just got an android tablet wi-fi only but i need to access important docs on the road, if i enable wi-fi tethering on my Samsung Focus and use it just once do i get a warning telling me to stop?
No. You have to be brazenly stupid like I was and eat gigs of data first.
thanks for the quick reply, so what i need it for it wouldn't send any red flags that i'm using wifi tethering
Just keep your data below the throttling threshold of your plan and they'll have no reason to do deeper inspection. You should be home free.
Its still stupid that they have special plans for tethering, I have unlimited data, but I'm not allowed to use it how I want. Bull****. Its criminal.
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ATnT has definitely strayed away from customer satisfaction. I understand that the need to keep there Data Plan operating at peak efficiency requires them to throttle back certain users, but the way they go about doing it....for shame.
So I tried to use my P2P as a Hotspot, but it's lagging bad not working at all. I've used it on other phones especially unlocked phones but never acted up like this. No download speed. I tried changing the apn settings but no luck. I'm using on Tmobile network so if anyone can help it would be much appreciated. Thanks
Screenshot of my ridiculous speed
Something strange is happening with T-Mobile.
Upload is fine. Download seems to be throttled.
This is on a tethered device.
Everything works as it should when the phone is not tethered.
I know that's weird. I wonder if we need to change something on the settings. I glad I'm not the only one with this problem. I thought it was my phone. I really like it but this is a huge problem that bothers me especially since I use my tablet for business and most of the time I use my Hotspot
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Did you switch to the T-Mobile One data plan? I read that they limit tethering speed on that plan unless you pay extra. I haven't switched, I should try it out and see what happens.
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Never mind! I'm getting the same. Here are my results:
1) Phab2 Pro direct: 22.03 Mbps
2) Phab2 Pro tethered to my old LG G3 (CyanogenMod): 18.92 Mbps
3) LG G3 direct: no data (crashed every time, these constant crashes in apps are one reason I got a new phone, but I digress)
4) LG G3 tethered to P2P (with ",dun" APN setting): 0.53 Mbps
5) LG G3 tethered to P2P (without ",dun"): 0.19 Mbps
Conclusion: it's way slower. But, add dun to slightly increase speed.