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Remove scratches from screen

Does anyone know of something to remove minor scratches from screen glass. I have a protective screen now but would like to see if i can remove scratches very minor just for piece of mind since i cant see them but know they are there...thanx
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I have used this in the past and it works great:
http://podshop.com/idrops/
It takes elbow grease... a lot of it... but it works.

Will check it out thanks
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GldRush98 said:
I have used this in the past and it works great:
It takes elbow grease... a lot of it... but it works.
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Isn't the screen on the N1 glass?
From the idrops website: "Carefully squeeze one to four drops onto the plastic, polycarbonate, or acrylic surface of your device"

http://www.wirelessground.com/saguaki.html
Has anyone tried this? Does it work?

If you read the end it states "not use on touch screen displays"
I guess i wont risk my baby..
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I have also some scratches on the screen of my nexus one, proved
idrops? How it was that gave results? I'm thinking of buying and
screen test in the nexus
Greetings

samuaz said:
I have also some scratches on the screen of my nexus one, proved
idrops? How it was that gave results? I'm thinking of buying and
screen test in the nexus
Greetings
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iDrops, and most other scratch removers, are only for plastics... not glass, which is what your N1 screen is. You'll either create microscratches on the screen or remove part of the top coating on the screen.

i used t-cut glass polish on my nexus it got rid of the scratch i got when i stupidly put my phone in the same pocket as my keys

and a chamois leather is great for stubborn finger prints

To be honest, any mild abrasive would probably do. It's not as if the N1 has any anti-reflective coating or anything. Even a simple toothpaste and microfiber cloth would do the trick.

I find toothpaste is great at removing light scratches, won't cost you anything either.

brenny86 said:
I find toothpaste is great at removing light scratches, won't cost you anything either.
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now this is somethin i'll try tonight...
say good luck to me

liam1437 said:
now this is somethin i'll try tonight...
say good luck to me
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What is a result?

Try PlastX from meguiers. Ived used it and its safe. Try in a corner of the screen first. Be sure its clean. Rub gently with a cotton fiber towel, not a bathroom towel.
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Best advice I can give is to buy new housing package.research the installation because it's a little tricky
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How scratch resistant is the screen on the S3?

An aquaintence of mine has the S3 and I didn't ask why but it looks like the phone was dragged behind a pickup truck on dirt road.

boe said:
An aquaintence of mine has the S3 and I didn't ask why but it looks like the phone was dragged behind a pickup truck on dirt road.
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LOL then it probably was, the screen is very durable.

The screen can break pretty easily too, already got a crack on mine from a small fall out of my pocket when i had crouched.

I've always had a screen protector on every one of my phones due to the fact I always carry them in a pocket. I tend to use an Otterbox Commuter case when working in the field (I am in the military) and a slimmer case like the Spigen Modello for normal every day use. So my phones tend to be scratch free... your mileage may vary.

I will not answer this - to superstitious - I might jinx myself.
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The screen is not very search resistant. I somehow managed to get a very small scratch on mine. And I tried to take care not to man handle it before I got a case and screen protector on it.
There is a YouTube video where the Samsung is put to a drop test at waist height from a two positions and the screen broke.
So the guy blew up the phone..lol

I already have 2 scratches on my screen =( and I'm very careful with it

My phone is always going into jean pockets, sliding off the passenger seat into the unknown cracks and crevices of the jeep. Not one screen scratch. No screen protection.
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That in its self prolly jinxed ya lol
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I came from a Droid Razr and while they said the screen used the new gorilla glass, I still was getting scratches on my screen. When I switched to the SIII I wasn't gonna take any chances. I got a moshi brand screen protector for mine. Kind of expensive but it adheres via static so no bubbles, very smooth tracing, and very good protection.
Bottom line - They're expensive but worth every penny. We use them on our display iPads at my store and even crazy kids haven't scratched them yet.
Link is at moshimonde .com under film protectors. (Can't link yet. Still on a new account)

Avoid sand...
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Gorilla Glass 2
Galaxy S3 has Gorilla Glass 2, so I use it without any screen protector.. but I am thinking of buying one hearing news from you guys...

I took off screen protector (curved crystal) It scratched to easy I think what would scratch this is putting it in your pocket with change or keys. Or setting it flat where there is grit or fine pieces of sand. But this screen is pretty scratch resilient
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Here Ya Go!!
Just an FYI... www.xtremeguard.com is having a sale that gives you 80% off of ANY (3) screen protectors of your choice with FREE shipping too! I ordered (3) Front guards for the S3 and it cost me $3.00 shipped... I have used these before and they work great, especially for the money...:good: The coupon code is "80off3" with no quotes of course... So go get your toys protected on the CHEAP!! Just wanted to pass a good deal off to my favorite people!

Yeah my sIII got a skinomi skin the same day I got it. I preordered the skin 2 weeks before I got the phone. Better safe than sorry. Its a great skin by the way front and back.
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double post... Sorry!

I managed to scratch mine with my fingernail. ...without trying.

redbearde said:
I managed to scratch mine with my fingernail. ...without trying.
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WOW... razor sharp and sandy fingers?? lol j/k That I would have to see to believe though....

bsannes said:
That in its self prolly jinxed ya lol
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Nah jinxes don't work that way. Thank goodness.
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I've yet to scratch my screen, although i am very careful with it
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*Naked Phones Only* -- What is the condition of your Gs3?

I have been running a light case on my phone but have considered taking it off as I never seem to drop it.
Those of you without a case on your phone,
what condition is it in now?
Have you dropped it? How did it respond?
Thanks!!

Only had mine for a few days, but it's in marvelous condition. The screen doesn't seem to hold onto fingerprints at all.
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Been without a case for 2 months, dropped once, edges are scratched but looks perfect.
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I've had mine naked since christmas and it's in perfect condition besides a small hair line scrath on the screen i have the black one and it's a finger print magnet.
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andrewk7750 said:
I've had mine naked since christmas and it's in perfect condition besides a small hair line scrath on the screen i have the black one and it's a finger print magnet.
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Really? The only part on mine getting prints like crazy is the back. My screen doesn't for some reason.
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I've gone case-less since I got mine on launch day, and cosmetically never had a single problem. A couple of months ago though I dropped it on a tile floor, and even though the screen or body didn't crack it wouldn't power back on, so something internal must have been damaged. I was able to use my insurance to get a replacement, but I'm not sure having a case on it other than something with some shock protection like an otter box would have helped anyway.
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tylerlawhon said:
Really? The only part on mine getting prints like crazy is the back. My screen doesn't for some reason.
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Yeah the screens not really an issue it's just the back, the blacks the worst for finger prints though
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dpaine88 said:
I have been running a light case on my phone but have considered taking it off as I never seem to drop it.
Those of you without a case on your phone,
what condition is it in now?
Have you dropped it? How did it respond?
Thanks!!
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You know Murphy's Law...once you take the case off you will drop hard on the concrete....

This phone is waaaay to weak to be naked... I've broken my screen so many times from knee height drops.. one including being dropped on carpet. My old VIVOW was a lot stronger....
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I don't have a case I never liked them. I have cracked the screen on my old s3 though, happened to hit the metal strip that separates the room..Other than that I have a right pocket only rule and I make sure i NEVER put it on my lap when driving.

Been using my s3 without a case since the day it came out. Couple nicks around the metallic edge but otherwise in perfect condition. I don't really have a habit of dropping phones though.

Majority of my drops are because of my son.... when I drop it myself I get the ninja/football player move of catching it and nearly kicking it through a field goal...but I like to think I am the worst draft pick ever because I usually catch it with my foot and it goes nowhere.
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I've had my phone naked for about 5 months and I only have a few light scratches on the back, that are not noticeable without really looking for them.
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I've had mine since launch and dropped it once on a concrete floor at work and a few times at the house. The only drop that caused any damage was the one at work and it barely scuffed the corner of the metal trim. So little it took me a minute to find it.
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i too have had mine since launch and am using a Ringke "SLIM-Lite" case...no screen protector.
device is flawless!
no scratches, scuffs, or any other blemishes.

I have been using a rokform rokbed v3 S3 case just for the mount and the phone is in good condition. no screen scratches. the case has a tendency to scratch the battery cover so i got a replacement to use with the case. not easy to find the black verizon S3 battery covers so that is sitting in the box the phone came in.

I also have a rokform v3 (awesome case) on mine since I saw a drop test on YouTube. There is no way I would feel safe without it.
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no case ever
i only have a screen protector on my phone. I avoid cases for phones because I keep my phone in my pocket and I don't like the size of the phone with a case on. This may not be the best idea because I am also quite clumsy but I really do like the thin sleek phone with no case. In any case, I must say that I am quite impressed with this phone. I've had it for about 5 months and have dropped it somewhere between 10-15 times. It is usually just a small drop but I have definitely dropped it out of my coat while taking the coat off and out of the car when getting out multiple times and only have a few small scratches on the back. There has been no damage to the screen at all. So to anyone that is scared of removing the case, my advice is to enjoy the design of the phone and not worry about the back. After all, a replacement for the back cover is cheaper then many of the cases out there.

I run mine naked about half the time, in a tpu case the rest of the time. I have two very small nicks in the silver trim around the sides, and a little scuff on the home button. I've had the phone since a few days before launch, though I did replace the battery cover recently because I broke it taking it off one time. Always have an SGP Ultra Nano screen protector though.
I'd say most people should have no problem running with no case, but it may not be the best idea. I love the feel of the naked phone and frequently use it like that, but I have dropped it from about waist height a few times onto hardwood floors or low carpet.
The phone feels nice enough that you do keep a firm grip on it and treat it like your precious, and if you're careful to keep your pocket empty you won't scratch it there. But because it's so slick, it can slip out of your pocket when sitting, or off of a surface you've set it on. Plus if you have anything else in your hand, it's easy to forget to keep a firm grip on the phone.
I've now got a Cruzerlite tpu case that looks and feels awesome, and like any tpu case removes in seconds with no wear. The material provides a great deal of protection for its minimal bulk, I've accidentally thrown my old Droid RAZR onto asphalt and concrete on separate occasions with just a slim tpu case with no harm done. Recently, I've been carrying with that case for peace of mind, and taking it off on occasion to use it, or if I'm at something rather formal.
But I see no need for something more than tpu, like an Otterbox, for the average person. If you're particularly clumsy, if you frequently skate, run, bike, 4 wheel, hunt, etc with it, or have a fairly physical profession I can see it, but for the rest of us it's overkill.
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faehsemc said:
Majority of my drops are because of my son.... when I drop it myself I get the ninja/football player move of catching it and nearly kicking it through a field goal...but I like to think I am the worst draft pick ever because I usually catch it with my foot and it goes nowhere.
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You could be Mr. Irrelevant!

Oleophobic coating scratching on a 3 week old phone?

I bought the galaxy s4 in the beginning of May. I did not put on a screen protector, having used iPhones from the 3G to the 5 the last 4 years, I have never had any screen scratches on any of them, so I assumed the galaxy series is the same thing.
Now just 3 weeks later, the top left of my display has a bunch of small scratches and glare spots. I know this is the oleophobic coating because if I wipe it down, the scratches all disappear,and only reappear after I put fingerprints on them and such. I haven't been near any beaches and I don't abuse my phones, and with my past 5 iphones, I have never had a scratch, so what gives?
By the way, since I am out of the 14 day return period, can I get this replaced under warranty? Should I go through AT&T or Samsung? Store or online?
I DO have Assurion, and my Citi Forward Visa would have a 50 dollar deductible to pay the 200 dollar Assurion deductible, so it would cost me only 50 for an Assurion replacement, but if I can do this through a warranty exchange, it would be better.

frostrambler said:
Now just 3 weeks later, the top left of my display has a bunch of small scratches and glare spots. I know this is the oleophobic coating because if I wipe it down, the scratches all disappear,and only reappear after I put fingerprints on them and such. I haven't been near any beaches and I don't abuse my phones, and with my past 5 iphones, I have never had a scratch, so what gives?
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Serious question: did you have your earlobe pierced recently? I know earrings and piercings wear off the coating when you hold the phone to your ear.
If you do not want to bother with exchanging, maybe try cleaning it well and affixing a screen protector?
Have no thoughts on the return/exchange process (but bumping your msg up.

kreoXDA said:
Serious question: did you have your earlobe pierced recently? I know earrings and piercings wear off the coating when you hold the phone to your ear.
If you do not want to bother with exchanging, maybe try cleaning it well and affixing a screen protector?
Have no thoughts on the return/exchange process (but bumping your msg up.
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I could be wrong but as far as I've always understood oleophobic coatings all they do is resist fingerprints and has nothing to do with resisting scratches.. In fact its very easy to get very light superficial scratches in the coating itself and not the glass.. Again I could be wrong...
You can always call AT&T or Samsung and ask about if it could be a warranty issue... But I'm pretty sure they're going to tell you its normal wear and tear from everyday use
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Ive had oleophobic coated screens in the past and once they started getting like that ive taken acetone or ensolv if you know what it is to it. Wiped it all around and it was perfect. It doesnt do anything to the glass but be careful about the phone itself, ensolv kind of melts plastic if you let it sit too long. My advice is to tape off the screen and try it out
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rcklss1 said:
I could be wrong but as far as I've always understood oleophobic coatings all they do is resist fingerprints and has nothing to do with resisting scratches.. In fact its very easy to get very light superficial scratches in the coating itself and not the glass.. Again I could be wrong...
You can always call AT&T or Samsung and ask about if it could be a warranty issue... But I'm pretty sure they're going to tell you its normal wear and tear from everyday use
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Oleophobic coating helps resist scratches too believe it or not. The coating's best feature in my opinion is making the screen smooth to glide on and side benefit of that is resisting smudges. But I always use screen protectors so I don't get to experience it much. The good screen protectors with Oleophobic on them are on the pricey side.
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@rbiter said:
Oleophobic coating helps resist scratches too believe it or not. The coating's best feature in my opinion is making the screen smooth to glide on and side benefit of that is resisting smudges. But I always use screen protectors so I don't get to experience it much. The good screen protectors with Oleophobic on them are on the pricey side.
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You can get the Spigen Oleophibic one for 13 bucks on Amazon. I've used this for the last 2 years on my phones and it's epic stuff.

Kurant1 said:
You can get the Spigen Oleophibic one for 13 bucks on Amazon. I've used this for the last 2 years on my phones and it's epic stuff.
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That is expensive for 2 protectors and spigen's are more challenging to put on than your usual 3 for $10 protectors. Thrown $13 out the window from botched applications.
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you can also buy new oleo coating and redo it.

Slade8525 said:
you can also buy new oleo coating and redo it.
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The fusso oleophobic liquid is $25 for a small bottle.
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Mine has scratches all over how you describe.. My girlfriend thinks im crazy cause she cant see them... But i can and theyre there lol it happened to my first s4 the first night i had it i had fallen asleep on it kinda and it did it real bad, i told att they were factory scratches and demanded another one lol
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MrPlNK said:
Mine has scratches all over how you describe.. My girlfriend thinks im crazy cause she cant see them... But i can and theyre there lol it happened to my first s4 the first night i had it i had fallen asleep on it kinda and it did it real bad, i told att they were factory scratches and demanded another one lol
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I would not be bragging about committing fraud around here. It is not looked on well.
Wayne Tech Nexus

Well should a phone really scratch if its slept on the bed?
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MrPlNK said:
Well should a phone really scratch if its slept on the bed?
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Depends.
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MrPlNK said:
Well should a phone really scratch if its slept on the bed?
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Depends.
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Agreed. It really depends on slot. If I work on my my device and the screen wasn't scratched I would be amazed.
Wayne Tech Nexus

Mmk. But i slept on it, with a cotton tee shirt with Egyptian cotton sheets.. Soo.. Either att can take that faulty POS back or i can eat $35 and cancel my account.
Fraudulent. Lol
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Kurant1 said:
You can get the Spigen Oleophibic one for 13 bucks on Amazon. I've used this for the last 2 years on my phones and it's epic stuff.
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+1 on this screen protector. This is the only type I buy anymore. Get what you pay for.

MrPlNK said:
Mmk. But i slept on it, with a cotton tee shirt with Egyptian cotton sheets.. Soo.. Either att can take that faulty POS back or i can eat $35 and cancel my account.
Fraudulent. Lol
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So your carelessness is AT&T's fault?
To you and the OP, you both claim to be very careful with your phone but have 'lots of scratches' seems to me you were not that careful. I had my note 2 fir a month, with the flip cover, not a scratch. It fell on a floor face down and the cover opened from my lap while sitting in a chair, a few small scratches occured. Guess what, my fault. I bought a screen protector (only one I could find locally was the one that came with an otterbox commuter case). Seems like you should accept responsibility for what happens to your phone after you take it home.
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@rbiter said:
That is expensive for 2 protectors and spigen's are more challenging to put on than your usual 3 for $10 protectors. Thrown $13 out the window from botched applications.
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Don't botch the application. Pretty simple really, just take your time.
I guess 13 bucks to me to save a phones screen from just this is hardly expensive.

I just ordered the Sgp ultra optics for $6.99 on Amazon today.
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lilmoney30 said:
I just ordered the Sgp ultra optics for $6.99 on Amazon today.
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Cool?

this phone is tough

So I lost my phone out of my pocket while riding my bike. Sprinting approx 40km up a hill. It jumped out, hit the road. And slid into the bushes. Front of the phone looks new back has some pretty bad scratches. But everything is pretty much fine. No dents no marks on screen. Was in a dot view case. A few scratches on the case and they instantly separated when impacting the ground, which kind of sucked.

That's funny because this feels like the most fragile android I've owned in 5 years. Mainly because my first one lived in my pocket but the camera still managed to get scratched to the point to where it was hard to find a spot on it that wasn't scratched. Now I don't feel comfortable carrying my phone at work. I carried my s4 everywhere with me for a year and not one scratch on the camera lens. This is my first phone with a screen protector on the camera lens.

That is why I have an otter box and a really expensive, tough screen protector. If you're planning on biking with your phone loose in your pocket, you may want to invest in those also!
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ya the dot view case is cool but hardly serves the purpose of an actual case.

Should be a criminal offense to use a case for this phone.
Try and get a pair of arms not growing out of one's behind so the droppage is minimized.

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Should be a criminal offense to use a case for this phone.
Try and get a pair of arms not growing out of one's behind so the droppage is minimized.
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Right, because you've never dropped anything in your life.

nabbed said:
Should be a criminal offense to use a case for this phone.
Try and get a pair of arms not growing out of one's behind so the droppage is minimized.
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Cases actually assist this phone in other ways than just protection. For one, they make the touchscreen less susceptible to undesired palm touches when using it one handed, and can hide the loose volume rocker issue many people have.
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hgoldner said:
Right, because you've never dropped anything in your life.
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I said criminal prosecution! Also, cruel and unusual!

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I said criminal prosecution! Also, cruel and unusual!
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The trick is to get a clear case. That's what I did. Didn't want to cover up all that arctic silvery goodness. :good:
Oh, that and not to drop it....

I would suggest getting a case like this for biking.
Hyperion M8 Case
The phone is no longer slippery and won't fly out of your pocket.
I use it for mountain biking and it stays put no matter where I put the phone (shorts pocket, back of jersey, etc.)

Leondreux said:
That is why I have an otter box and a really expensive, tough screen protector. If you're planning on biking with your phone loose in your pocket, you may want to invest in those also!
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It's just fine to spend money for your phone's protection. This is one of the nicest phones.

jsminnis said:
That's funny because this feels like the most fragile android I've owned in 5 years. Mainly because my first one lived in my pocket but the camera still managed to get scratched to the point to where it was hard to find a spot on it that wasn't scratched. Now I don't feel comfortable carrying my phone at work. I carried my s4 everywhere with me for a year and not one scratch on the camera lens. This is my first phone with a screen protector on the camera lens.
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I agree on the camera screen. Mine has a couple scratches as well. Never had any other phone do that. However the rest of the phone is scratch free which is even more strange. What protector are you using on the camera screen? I think I'm going to get HTC to fix it then apply a protector to it.
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No scratches on any of my lenses... And this phone goes through my daughter. Oo
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It feel out of my sweater's pocket right onto the blacktop as I was getting out of my car. Minor scratches on top left and bottom right on the back side. Oh well. I'll have to be more careful.
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termleech said:
I agree on the camera screen. Mine has a couple scratches as well. Never had any other phone do that. However the rest of the phone is scratch free which is even more strange. What protector are you using on the camera screen? I think I'm going to get HTC to fix it then apply a protector to it.
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I thought I had a ton of scratches on my lens,I would wipe it off with a soft cloth and they wouldn't wipe off. Well today while sitting bored I just took my sleeve and rubbed with some pressure for a good 5 minutes. All those marks that looked like scratches all came of . Might try some alcohol on a qtip when I get home.

going back to the original op issue. I use the dot case when not biking and I use a otter box defender case mounted to the handle bars when riding. So far the otter box works very nice and does not come off on the bike ride. It takes around a minute to put the phone in the case every ride, but nothing to long.
one added bonus about the mounted otter box and m8. When listing to a talk podcast I sometimes do not use headphones, the speakers are plenty loud.