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Hello Community!!
I have owned many androids over the years, and have recently got an S6, hoping to dive back into the game of rooting, modding and messing around until my phones works the way i want it to. There are MANY things that really Piss me off about my T-MObile variant of the S6, including the horrible battery life, bloatware, and lack of personality. I Really would love to root my device, but KNOX. OMG what is this?! If i Root, no Samsung pay? What other downsides are there to rooting? But recently, my phone installed "ANdroid Pay" SO I am thinking, I should just root, forget Samsung pay and just use Google pay or whatever they call it.
As you guys can tell from my sig, I have been very inactive on these forums. I am hoping someone can give me some advice here---
Thanks So much
EMilio
beforedenied said:
Hello Community!!
I have owned many androids over the years, and have recently got an S6, hoping to dive back into the game of rooting, modding and messing around until my phones works the way i want it to. There are MANY things that really Piss me off about my T-MObile variant of the S6, including the horrible battery life, bloatware, and lack of personality. I Really would love to root my device, but KNOX. OMG what is this?! If i Root, no Samsung pay? What other downsides are there to rooting? But recently, my phone installed "ANdroid Pay" SO I am thinking, I should just root, forget Samsung pay and just use Google pay or whatever they call it.
As you guys can tell from my sig, I have been very inactive on these forums. I am hoping someone can give me some advice here---
Thanks So much
EMilio
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There are pros and cons to root.
The first pro is limitless customizations and personalizations.
The first con is OTA updates get disabled.
Another pro is you are able to dramatically improve battery and overall performance using various apps.
Another con is your warranty will be void, assuming you tripped KNOX.
If you trip KNOX, Samsung Pay no longer works; if you have root (even without touching KNOX) Android Pay does not work.
I obtained root just to prove to myself it could be done.
Since then there have been dramatic improvements with speed and battery life.
Package Disabler Pro can freeze a lot of the bloatware without root: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ospolice.packagedisablerpro&hl=en
Hi,
It's a highly personal decision. I myself for the first time am holding on rooting - I was the one who made the most famous Xoom rooting tool and also S4 Linux Root Script, so that tells a lot. The thing is, meanwhile my device is satisfying my needs, and I'm really curious about Samsung Pay, as it has a way wider support than Android Pay and other systems.
The best thing about rooting in my opinion was the endless system customization - specially after Xposed was released. The way better data management I had, better system control and some exclusive apps that require root or works better with root. If you are really pissed about Samsung TouchWiz apps and system "features", rooting would be a nice idea. Just keep in mind that after rooting Knox will be tripped and there's no turning back with Knox. Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Just adding what was already said, but Android Pay doesn't work with root.
All the best,
~Lord
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XxLordxX said:
Hi,
It's a highly personal decision. I myself for the first time am holding on rooting - I was the one who made the most famous Xoom rooting tool and also S4 Linux Root Script, so that tells a lot. The thing is, meanwhile my device is satisfying my needs, and I'm really curious about Samsung Pay, as it has a way wider support than Android Pay and other systems.
The best thing about rooting in my opinion was the endless system customization - specially after Xposed was released. The way better data management I had, better system control and some exclusive apps that require root or works better with root. If you are really pissed about Samsung TouchWiz apps and system "features", rooting would be a nice idea. Just keep in mind that after rooting Knox will be tripped and there's no turning back with Knox. Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Just adding what was already said, but Android Pay doesn't work with root.
All the best,
~Lord
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Rooting doesn't allways mean tripped knox. I have my G920F rooted and knox intact. This can be done even after updrade to 5.1.1 stok firmware.
An android phone for me is worthless without root permissions. I need it for:
adaway adds
iptables (firewall)
better battery life (debloat)
titanium backup
JuanRamiro said:
Rooting doesn't allways mean tripped knox. I have my G920F rooted and knox intact. This can be done even after updrade to 5.1.1 stok firmware.
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I was only aware of root that can be applied before upgrade to 5.1.1.
Can you advise how you applied root after 5.1.1? Thanks.
Iceman_jkh said:
I was only aware of root that can be applied before upgrade to 5.1.1.
Can you advise how you applied root after 5.1.1? Thanks.
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Just install de 5.0.2 engineering bootloader via ODIN. Then instal TRWP via ODIN.
After this two steps you can flash whatever you want via TRWP.
Edit: with the 5.0.2 bootloader you will loose fingerprint scanner, the rest works great, at least with the custom rom I am using.
JuanRamiro said:
Just install de 5.0.2 engineering bootloader via ODIN. Then instal TRWP via ODIN.
After this two steps you can flash whatever you want via TRWP.
Edit: with the 5.0.2 bootloader you will loose fingerprint scanner, the rest works great, at least with the custom rom I am using.
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Keep in mind this engineering bootloader does not work with all variants. For example there is no Eng Bootloader for the Canadian phones.
Thank you both. I have the international SM-G920F (technically it's the dual Sim version, SM-G920FD, (from United Arab Emirates)).
So, to confirm, would the eng boot loader still work on my device variant, and allow root without tripping KNOX?
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Iceman_jkh said:
Thank you both. I have the international SM-G920F (technically it's the dual Sim version, SM-G920FD, (from United Arab Emirates)).
So, to confirm, would the eng boot loader still work on my device variant, and allow root without tripping KNOX?
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I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
JuanRamiro said:
I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
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Thanks. I did some additional research, thanks to your advice about eng boot loader, and seems like it will work ☺
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JuanRamiro said:
I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
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Hi,
I wouldn't risk that "you can just flash the correct one and make it work again". If you know how a bootloader work, if it gets broken there is no way to get to Download Mode and flash a new firmware/bootloader.
For information sake, a bootloader is a piece of software that is the first thing loaded when you boot your device, it comes before anything, be it kernel, be it recovery or anything else, that means, if you have a broken bootloader, the moment you try to boot your device up, it will try loading BL and it will fail, so it will shut down back again. I've had a broken BL once before on S4, the only way to recover was a direct flash of software in system chip using a tool called JTAG.
So, all I can say to users who still didn't get it: beware with this. It seems that many people are getting successful results, but it's an extremely risk procedure, make sure you read every single instruction and follow it, the possibility of a hard brick is high.
Even still, it's a great find, thanks for sharing with me, I didn't know of this until early today .
All the best,
~Lord
I wonder whether Samsung pay will work again after reflash stock rom after root? Is it like knox, once rooted you will never have it no mater what you do including going back to pure stock?
XxLordxX said:
Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
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Did you mean, once rooted we can unroot and install the stock firmware and hence tripped Knox will be restored as well?
Or the unrooting will only help to restore the stock but the knox will continue to remain tripped. I would like to know this as I am considering purchasing S6. The last samsung phone I owned was S2 and used that for 3 full years with out any problems.
Thanks.
coolmalayalee said:
Did you mean, once rooted we can unroot and install the stock firmware and hence tripped Knox will be restored as well?
Or the unrooting will only help to restore the stock but the knox will continue to remain tripped. I would like to know this as I am considering purchasing S6. The last samsung phone I owned was S2 and used that for 3 full years with out any problems.
Thanks.
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Once Knox is tripped its tripped but, yes you can flash original firmware and as long as you factory reset it, it will be unrooted and ready for official updates.
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Once Knox is tripped its tripped but, yes you can flash original firmware and as long as you factory reset it, it will be unrooted and ready for official updates.
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Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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Once tripped there is no going back. Voided warranty depends on laws of your country and your retailers policy.
coolmalayalee said:
Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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YOU CAN NOT UNTRIP KNOX, you can reflash your firmware from Sammobile, http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-G920F/
use odin and then after you flash, go into recovery or use system settings and conduct a factory reset. It will say Official in the status but, since they will reflash your rom anyways, they will see the knox trip.
It depends on where you purschased your device whether or not they will warranty it with Knox tripped.
Honestly, anyone who roots should understand this information before hand. You should always know how to return to stock unroot.
Jameslwoodward said:
I wonder whether Samsung pay will work again after reflash stock rom after root? Is it like knox, once rooted you will never have it no mater what you do including going back to pure stock?
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After rooting my 5.1.1 without tripping Knox, with the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader (as as described a few posts ago) I have flashed a stok rom with odin and then everything went back as it was before the rooting procedure.
1. I was on stok oficial rom with oficial bootloader.
2. I lost root.
3. Knox was still intact: 0.
4. Fingerprint scanner and MyKnox worked again.
So: after upgrade to 5.1.1, rooting with the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader seems to be safe and also easy to bo back to stock... at least for my model (G920F)
1. Did anyone try KingRoot and found a working method?
2. Does this trip the Knox Counter as soon as it works?
Both questions are related to the portable version of KingRoot for Android.
Thanks.
1) no
2) no one used it so they can't say what it does, if anything
Mystixor said:
2. Does this trip the Knox Counter as soon as it works?
Both questions are related to the portable version of KingRoot for Android.
Thanks.
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Any method of rooting this device will trip the Knox counter.
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Any method of rooting this device will trip the Knox counter.
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Really? And I always thought it was due to flashing a new firmware...
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Mystixor said:
Really? And I always thought it was due to flashing a new firmware...
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Nope, flashing new official samsung firmware won't trip Knox.
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Nope, flashing new official samsung firmware won't trip Knox.
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Well what I wanted to stress wasn't that a custom firmware trips Knox but that KingRoot does not flash a new firmware and therefore potentially does not trip Knox. All it uses is an exploit to change some specific root-determining system files.
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Mystixor said:
Well what I wanted to stress wasn't that a custom firmware trips Knox but that KingRoot does not flash a new firmware and therefore potentially does not trip Knox. All it uses is an exploit to change some specific root-determining system files.
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Knox detects if system files are changed, it is simply not possible to change or modify any system files in any way without tripping Knox. So if you managed to use any sort of 3rd party application to root (not possible currently), the application would trip Knox, because it modifies system files.
The Knox security bombproof to the level that a physical fuse is blown inside the phone when Knox is tripped, meaning there is no way to un-trip Knox through software once it's been tripped. It's possible to fool the ROM to think that it's not tripped (like some S8 ported ROMs, to enable secure folder), but warranty can never be restored, as the Knox counter in download mode can't be tricked.
galaxyYtester said:
Knox detects if system files are changed, it is simply not possible to change or modify any system files in any way without tripping Knox. So if you managed to use any sort of 3rd party application to root (not possible currently), the application would trip Knox, because it modifies system.
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It was possible
Kingroot used to work on s6 you could root with knox intact and use all root features only thing that would trip knox was custom recovery and/or rom
Wish it could be done with s8
skinza said:
It was possible
Kingroot used to work on s6 you could root with knox intact and use all root features only thing that would trip knox was custom recovery and/or rom
Wish it could be done with s8
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That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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Yep, Knox is totally solid these days. Its impossible to not trip it when rooting. F*** it and root the phone anyway, if it breaks ill claim it on insurance not through warranty.
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galaxyYtester said:
That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
skinza said:
There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
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I didn't mean that, I meant that if you rooted with a method that worked through bootloader (Not kingoroot), you still could restore Knox to not tripped through root tools. Knox security used to be that simple to bypass, nowadays it's impossible to revert once tripped.
Having successfully rooted two HTC devices and a Samsung devices in the past and loved every minute of it, I was kinda excited when Kingroot props said it was possible to root the later Notes... but I never did my old Note 4, partially but not primarily because of the Knox issue.
I've heard different things RE: Knox, pretty much covers what everyone else has been saying here (no way to reset Knox, possible to reset Knox, "soft-root" via Kingroot trips/doesn't trip Knox counter, etc.) Personally, since the Note 4 issue where (correct me if I'm wrong) that Samsung phone was the first one that full rooting was impossible, I've pretty much given up on rooting for a while. Though S8+ may be possible to root (provided you're OK with possibly never resetting Knox), I'm OK with my S8+ non-rooted stock (for now), just like I HAD to be OK with my old Note 4 never being able to be rooted.
I guess my bottom line take on all this is, root at your own risk, know what you're doing, and do it if you can say "Knox be damned" and have no intention of trading the phone back in or reselling it to someone who knows nothing about rooting.
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BereanPK said:
Having successfully rooted two HTC devices and a Samsung devices in the past and loved every minute of it, I was kinda excited when Kingroot props said it was possible to root the later Notes... but I never did my old Note 4, partially but not primarily because of the Knox issue.
I've heard different things RE: Knox, pretty much covers what everyone else has been saying here (no way to reset Knox, possible to reset Knox, "soft-root" via Kingroot trips/doesn't trip Knox counter, etc.) Personally, since the Note 4 issue where (correct me if I'm wrong) that Samsung phone was the first one that full rooting was impossible, I've pretty much given up on rooting for a while. Though S8+ may be possible to root (provided you're OK with possibly never resetting Knox), I'm OK with my S8+ non-rooted stock (for now), just like I HAD to be OK with my old Note 4 never being able to be rooted.
I guess my bottom line take on all this is, root at your own risk, know what you're doing, and do it if you can say "Knox be damned" and have no intention of trading the phone back in or reselling it to someone who knows nothing about rooting.
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Root became possible on note 4 after a program to alter cid to dev version was released. Also because something was possible before shouldn't mean it's possible anymore as things are updated, common sense.
skinza said:
There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
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As I said, it's not possible to root the S8 without tripping Knox. Regardless of how it was with the S6. This is the S8, it's different. It cannot be done.
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As I said, it's not possible to root the S8 without tripping Knox. Regardless of how it was with the S6. This is the S8, it's different. It cannot be done.
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Definitely
Those days are over unless someone gets lucky,i know they wont though just wishful thinking
Well.. Do samsung says knox became bulletproof, or does the best hackers see it that way to?
rk73 said:
Well.. Do samsung says knox became bulletproof, or does the best hackers see it that way to?
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Both sides.
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I am sorry for being dumb by post this questions, I want to root my S7 so i can install costume rooms.
My question is; does rooting can affect my device and make problems?
What is this whole thing about the Samsung Knox?
What is the simple way to flash rom white/out root?
If i want to restore my phone to the stock, it is possible to do it?
And what about the warranty is the warranty will become void?
Thanks in advanced.
rheh104 said:
I am sorry for being dumb by post this questions, I want to root my S7 so i can install costume rooms.
My question is; does rooting can affect my device and make problems?
What is this whole thing about the Samsung Knox?
What is the simple way to flash rom white/out root?
If i want to restore my phone to the stock, it is possible to do it?
And what about the warranty is the warranty will become void?
Thanks in advanced.
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I think about root
U will get a lot of articale on google about
advantage of root and disadvantages of root
About knox
If you root your device, you trip the Knox Warranty bit. Knox services do not run on devices that have tripped the Warranty bit, because this indicates a device is rooted and flashed with an unofficial Android build
But u can flash custom rom without root but when u will flash any custom recovery your will warranty not be valid
And i don't about
Is there any way to revert your warranty of u have triggered knox
But u can easily come to your stock rom
With root or without root
shabbir143 said:
I think about root
U will get a lot of articale on google about
advantage of root and disadvantages of root
About knox
If you root your device, you trip the Knox Warranty bit. Knox services do not run on devices that have tripped the Warranty bit, because this indicates a device is rooted and flashed with an unofficial Android build
But u can flash custom rom without root but when u will flash any custom recovery your will warranty not be valid
And i don't about
Is there any way to revert your warranty of u have triggered knox
But u can easily come to your stock rom
With root or without root
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And if i install rom how to install TWRP whiteout root?
And is it possible to delete TWRP?
rheh104 said:
And if i install rom how to install TWRP whiteout root?
And is it possible to delete TWRP?
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You must use Odin to flash twrp recovery, just watch on YouTube there are many useful videos about it. This is how you root your phone.
Yes it is possible to go back on stock Samsung rom by flashing stock rom from sammobile or updato site. Everything will be as it was before root except your Knox is void 0x1 and u cant use Samsung Pay ect.
Scorpionea said:
You must use Odin to flash twrp recovery, just watch on YouTube there are many useful videos about it. This is how you root your phone.
Yes it is possible to go back on stock Samsung rom by flashing stock rom from sammobile or updato site. Everything will be as it was before root except your Knox is void 0x1 and u cant use Samsung Pay ect.
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Samsung pay is not available in my country so...
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Samsung pay is not available in my country so...
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So then it's no problem, but be sure to know what u doing . Watch few videos , watch again if u never done this before and you will get there.
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So then it's no problem, but be sure to know what u doing . Watch few videos , watch again if u never done this before and you will get there.
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Thanks for helping me out, one last thing; i have all my images on the samsung cloud and i found this thing: The following Knox services are affected if a Warranty bit is tripped.
Knox Platform for Enterprise
Existing Workspace's are permanently locked and the data is no longer accessible.
New Workspace's can't be created.
Knox Cloud Services
All Knox Cloud services stop working because they rely on a Knox license key to operate – For example, Knox Mobile Enrollment, Knox Configure, and Knox Manage.
Other Secure Samsung services
Samsung E-FOTA stops working.
Unique Knox security features stop working, such as Real Time Kernel Protection (RKP) , or Device Attestation.
Other Samsung Services that require Knox stop working – for example, Samsung Pay and Secure Folder.
If i will root my S7 all photos will be locked or removed?
rheh104 said:
Thanks for helping me out, one last thing; i have all my images on the samsung cloud and i found this thing: The following Knox services are affected if a Warranty bit is tripped.
Knox Platform for Enterprise
Existing Workspace's are permanently locked and the data is no longer accessible.
New Workspace's can't be created.
Knox Cloud Services
All Knox Cloud services stop working because they rely on a Knox license key to operate – For example, Knox Mobile Enrollment, Knox Configure, and Knox Manage.
Other Secure Samsung services
Samsung E-FOTA stops working.
Unique Knox security features stop working, such as Real Time Kernel Protection (RKP) , or Device Attestation.
Other Samsung Services that require Knox stop working – for example, Samsung Pay and Secure Folder.
If i will root my S7 all photos will be locked or removed?
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Hm I really dont know, just tried to search a bit and couldn't find much info . It seems Samsung cloud isn't affected by root.
Personally I dont use Samsung cloud .
Scorpionea said:
Hm I really dont know, just tried to search a bit and couldn't find much info . It seems Samsung cloud isn't affected by root.
Personally I dont use Samsung cloud .
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Just raed about this knox **** and some people said that they root their devices and the root ruined thiers devices oh **** man it is a big dilemma
rheh104 said:
Just raed about this knox **** and some people said that they root their devices and the root ruined thiers devices oh **** man it is a big dilemma
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Nope ,root will not ruined your device at all. Dunno what u have read but people can make mistakes trying to root it or whatever they trying to do.
Can't help you much then this, it's your call to root it or not
Hi everyone !
For noob user like me : root S7 = risk to no more working knox samsung app : mainly samsung pass / secure folder. Sad i've didn't seen that before rooting -_-
For others : I prefer to open a new thread, because i've read many post about knox problem or only pass or only secure folder after root... people saying yes, no, work, don't work, update, offical stock rom, snapdragon, magisk, or nothing :/
I got a S7 G930F from France (exynos?), now model version show g930fxx4esc5, i've try root, pass, [...] and no more knox app.
- I've seen index-samsung-galaxy-s7 thread, put oem unlock, followed CF-Auto Root link http://autoroot.chainfire.eu/
> alert : KNOX WARRANTY : If you have a KNOX-enabled device, using CF-Auto-Root will trip the KNOX WARRANTY VOID status ! (but didnt know what it mean XD)
> site didn't looked noob friendly to me so i looked for another one......
- Then I've followed a french link : https://www.androidpit.fr/comment-rooter-samsung-galaxy-s7-et-s7-edge
> So i took files on this page, without using more my brain -_- (didn't seen page is dated 2016... and dunno if the auto root file must be a strict model version...)
- odin said pass ! Samsung pass and secure folder dont work... T-T (i've noted my model version g930fxx4esc5 dunno if it was same before)
> with the message error I got the bad idea to remove oem unlock (perhaps it was bugging the app XD)
- then.... verification problem at boot... reinitialise dont work, useless, wipe...
> So i put my brain finally on, xda, i tried to get back official stock rom version g930fxx4esc5
- from samfirm depreciated thread i've found this site : https://updato.com/firmware-archive...=XEF,BOG,FTM,SFR&v=Oreo(Android+8.0.0)&rpp=15
- update all 4 files in ODIN BL / AP / CP / CSC, phone work but knox is 0x0500 and still no Spass no Secured Folder. Here i am :/
Général questions :
1- These knox problems are only for s7 exynos ?
2- Root and samsung pass never work ? still have someone who say yes
3- Rooted and now unrouted and samsung pass don't work ? still someone who say yes
4- unrooted + full wipe + stock rom and samsung pass don't work ? must i have to try several official rom perhaps ? trying will fail my knox more ? still someone who say an official rom will work
5- Other root method could have work with knox ? but too late if already rooted ?
For me, S7 exynos, R16NW.G930FXXS4ESC5, knox 0x0500 :
6- How did i mistake ? Like i'm not in knox 0x1 but 0x0500 do i have a try ? or if i try i'll have 0x1 and no more try ?
7- Can i have back knox related apps or almost same apps (mainly samsung pass and secure folder) ?
8- Can i go back to initial stock rom ? a real samsung official rom ?
9- Can i try again following from http://autoroot.chainfire.eu/ then this link https://desktop.firmware.mobi/ look for G930F, take the R16NW.G930FXXS4ESC5 version who has the same than my phone ?
10- Must i follow post like : https://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/how-to/samsung-pay-knox-warranty-void-t3549449 or it will be worst hard to get back to normallity ?
11- What is Magisk ? before rooting ? after rooting ? for rooting ? Can i try magisk solution ? or it will be worst hard to get back to normallity
12- On french support samsung-forum just say go in samsung store they got tool to repair with a real official rom for 40€ . i dont believe.
edited : 13- Like that can i still have samsung android updates ?
If no solution to get back samsung pass and secure folder, i'll re try to root phone at least i'll have that, even if knox go to 0x1 it won't be worst ? others problem with app on a rooted phone ?
Yotitchy said:
Hi everyone !
For noob user like me : root S7 = risk to no more working knox samsung app : mainly samsung pass / secure folder. Sad i've didn't seen that before rooting -_-
For others : I prefer to open a new thread, because i've read many post about knox problem or only pass or only secure folder after root... people saying yes, no, work, don't work, update, offical stock rom, snapdragon, magisk, or nothing :/
I got a S7 G930F from France (exynos?), now model version show g930fxx4esc5, i've try root, pass, [...] and no more knox app.
- I've seen index-samsung-galaxy-s7 thread, put oem unlock, followed CF-Auto Root link http://autoroot.chainfire.eu/
> alert : KNOX WARRANTY : If you have a KNOX-enabled device, using CF-Auto-Root will trip the KNOX WARRANTY VOID status ! (but didnt know what it mean XD)
> site didn't looked noob friendly to me so i looked for another one......
- Then I've followed a french link : https://www.androidpit.fr/comment-rooter-samsung-galaxy-s7-et-s7-edge
> So i took files on this page, without using more my brain -_- (didn't seen page is dated 2016... and dunno if the auto root file must be a strict model version...)
- odin said pass ! Samsung pass and secure folder dont work... T-T (i've noted my model version g930fxx4esc5 dunno if it was same before)
> with the message error I got the bad idea to remove oem unlock (perhaps it was bugging the app XD)
- then.... verification problem at boot... reinitialise dont work, useless, wipe...
> So i put my brain finally on, xda, i tried to get back official stock rom version g930fxx4esc5
- from samfirm depreciated thread i've found this site : https://updato.com/firmware-archive...=XEF,BOG,FTM,SFR&v=Oreo(Android+8.0.0)&rpp=15
- update all 4 files in ODIN BL / AP / CP / CSC, phone work but knox is 0x0500 and still no Spass no Secured Folder. Here i am :/
Général questions :
1- These knox problems are only for s7 exynos ?
2- Root and samsung pass never work ? still have someone who say yes
3- Rooted and now unrouted and samsung pass don't work ? still someone who say yes
4- unrooted + full wipe + stock rom and samsung pass don't work ? must i have to try several official rom perhaps ? trying will fail my knox more ? still someone who say an official rom will work
5- Other root method could have work with knox ? but too late if already rooted ?
For me, S7 exynos, R16NW.G930FXXS4ESC5, knox 0x0500 :
6- How did i mistake ? Like i'm not in knox 0x1 but 0x0500 do i have a try ? or if i try i'll have 0x1 and no more try ?
7- Can i have back knox related apps or almost same apps (mainly samsung pass and secure folder) ?
8- Can i go back to initial stock rom ? a real samsung official rom ?
9- Can i try again following from http://autoroot.chainfire.eu/ then this link https://desktop.firmware.mobi/ look for G930F, take the R16NW.G930FXXS4ESC5 version who has the same than my phone ?
10- Must i follow post like : https://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/how-to/samsung-pay-knox-warranty-void-t3549449 or it will be worst hard to get back to normallity ?
11- What is Magisk ? before rooting ? after rooting ? for rooting ? Can i try magisk solution ? or it will be worst hard to get back to normallity
12- On french support samsung-forum just say go in samsung store they got tool to repair with a real official rom for 40€ . i dont believe.
If no solution to get back samsung pass and secure folder, i'll re try to root phone at least i'll have that, even if knox go to 0x1 it won't be worst ? others problem with app on a rooted phone ?
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In europe rooting your phone and knox 0x1 is not hardware damage and will be covered by samsung
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In europe rooting your phone and knox 0x1 is not hardware damage and will be covered by samsung
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what you mean by covered ? i bought it since more than 2 years, no more warranty:/
so i'll have to pay, and pay for what ? they will change mother board and ask me to pay ? they will install an official rom who work ?
edit : just phone them, i don't have to flash my phone, i have to go in a store they will check my phone, and see what they can do and tell me the price for it.
i prefer to see what people on xda have to say before
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what you mean by covered ? i bought it since more than 2 years, no more warranty:/
so i'll have to pay, and pay for what ? they will change mother board and ask me to pay ? they will install an official rom who work ?
edit : just phone them, i don't have to flash my phone, i have to go in a store they will check my phone, and see what they can do and tell me the price for it.
i prefer to see what people on xda have to say before
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You dont need to call them.
If you rooted once you can never use samsung pass , secure folder samsung pay again
For updates just flash back to stock
no one can confirm / answer to some of the questions ? :/
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no one can confirm / answer to some of the questions ? :/
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Read my comment above
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Read my comment above
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thanks for your comment of 2-3 lines to answer 12 questions, i've listened to you :
"In europe rooting your phone and knox 0x1 is not hardware damage and will be covered by samsung" >> covered by samsung so i call them, they said no.
"You dont need to call them." >> i dont need to call them ok so dont say me it will be covered by samsung
"If you rooted once you can never use samsung pass , secure folder samsung pay again. For updates just flash back to stock" >> answer to ask 7 and 8
Now i dont won't to be unfriendly with you but i don't think you are alone on this forum, and i don't think you answered to the other questions.
I would like to know more about this, and why some people dont say the same things on many topics, btw it could greatly help other users to not make the same mistake than me just thinking it will be ok for them.
thanks
Yotitchy said:
thanks for your comment of 2-3 lines to answer 12 questions, i've listened to you :
"In europe rooting your phone and knox 0x1 is not hardware damage and will be covered by samsung" >> covered by samsung so i call them, they said no.
"You dont need to call them." >> i dont need to call them ok so dont say me it will be covered by samsung
"If you rooted once you can never use samsung pass , secure folder samsung pay again. For updates just flash back to stock" >> answer to ask 7 and 8
Now i dont won't to be unfriendly with you but i don't think you are alone on this forum, and i don't think you answered to the other questions.
I would like to know more about this, and why some people dont say the same things on many topics, btw it could greatly help other users to not make the same mistake than me just thinking it will be ok for them.
thanks
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Well you dont understand.
Ive already answered all your questions.
Knox cant be reset even flashing a newer firmware
And magisk doesnt let u use samsung apps either so.
kpwnApps said:
Well you dont understand.
Ive already answered all your questions.
Knox cant be reset even flashing a newer firmware
And magisk doesnt let u use samsung apps either so.
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well ok... for me its total fail according to only you (but like i said other say no) but then i answer to you, again..
if i made a long post with questions instead of just, "can i resolve my problem" its cause i think xda is a place where people can learn things with "clever" peoples.
1 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, but rooting s7 snapdragon would have been the same ? you didn't answer to this i think
2 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, but is there someone who have been able to root s7 and to still use samsung pass or secure folder ? you won't answer to this cause it's a no for you. but others ?
3 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, but some people said unrooted flash worked ? you won't answer to this cause it's a no for you. but others ?
4 - same
5 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, but does other root methods could have work ? you didn't answer to this i think...
6 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, but so i havn't mistake my root ? all methods would have get me to the same result ? what's the difference between 0x1 and 0x0500 ? you didn't answer to this i think
7 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, but there is no other app who work like secure folder ? you didn't answer to this i think
8 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, even with a real samsung rom in a samsung center so.
9 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, then no need to test to flash again
10 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, so if in futur there is a trick, i won't try cause you said me no.
11 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, and thanks to explained me magisk, it was really helpfull. But this one is for me, i can find info on magisk on the forum somewhere else.
12 - you just say me no, so like the french forum for me :/
For exemple here, a thread where you have post, it seems to be reasonnable to try to make S health work on a rooted phone
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...riped-knox-t3921869/post79346431#post79346431
ou answer : Flash twrp then connect to pc with adb and pull build.prop .
Then edit ro.config.tima="1" to "0"
After that push the edited buildprop back to your device and flash original recovery back
so you say me no, fail is fail, but now i can try to make S health work.
Samsung Health on rooted link : https://tinyurl.com/yy37gnwv
you can answer me again and again and again, but its quite useless if its just to troll me with "no you can't" or "yes i answered all" in 2 lines to my ****ing boring long post.
i'll look boring, but you don't look smart to act like this :/ no answer would be smarter from you. So please don't answer anymore. Right now i won't be able to give any interest in your posts.
Yotitchy said:
well ok... for me its total fail according to only you (but like i said other say no) but then i answer to you, again..
if i made a long post with questions instead of just, "can i resolve my problem" its cause i think xda is a place where people can learn things with "clever" peoples.
1 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, but rooting s7 snapdragon would have been the same ? you didn't answer to this i think
2 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, but is there someone who have been able to root s7 and to still use samsung pass or secure folder ? you won't answer to this cause it's a no for you. but others ?
3 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, but some people said unrooted flash worked ? you won't answer to this cause it's a no for you. but others ?
4 - same
5 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, but does other root methods could have work ? you didn't answer to this i think...
6 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, but so i havn't mistake my root ? all methods would have get me to the same result ? what's the difference between 0x1 and 0x0500 ? you didn't answer to this i think
7 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, but there is no other app who work like secure folder ? you didn't answer to this i think
8 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, even with a real samsung rom in a samsung center so.
9 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, then no need to test to flash again
10 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, so if in futur there is a trick, i won't try cause you said me no.
11 - i cant resolve my problem thanks, and thanks to explained me magisk, it was really helpfull. But this one is for me, i can find info on magisk on the forum somewhere else.
12 - you just say me no, so like the french forum for me :/
For exemple here, a thread where you have post, it seems to be reasonnable to try to make S health work on a rooted phone
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...riped-knox-t3921869/post79346431#post79346431
ou answer : Flash twrp then connect to pc with adb and pull build.prop .
Then edit ro.config.tima="1" to "0"
After that push the edited buildprop back to your device and flash original recovery back
so you say me no, fail is fail, but now i can try to make S health work.
Samsung Health on rooted link : https://tinyurl.com/yy37gnwv
you can answer me again and again and again, but its quite useless if its just to troll me with "no you can't" or "yes i answered all" in 2 lines to my ****ing boring long post.
i'll look boring, but you don't look smart to act like this :/ no answer would be smarter from you. So please don't answer anymore. Right now i won't be able to give any interest in your posts.
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I have no idea what youre talking about. Anyway , my other thread refers to the use of shealth without root as the op wanted to do it with no root acces,compared to yours with root. And to your thread your thread is complete bull**** since its unclear to read and understand your questions. So do me a favor and elaborate your questions next time.
Thanks
Ok thanks bye !
Back to my first "elaborate" post then
"elaborate", but i accord it certainly unclear (cause i'm not a pro english, and not a dev or a pro root user )
so here is a simplified version since i've understood more thingies (on this forum not on this thread)
Général questions :
1- Knox 0x1 problems are only for S7 exynos ?
2-3-4- Samsung Pass, Samsung Pay, Secure Folder, Health, etc.. can't never work on rooted / no-more rooted / wiped stock rom phone cause of knox ?
5- Other root method could have work without breaking knox ?
For me, S7 exynos, R16NW.G930FXXS4ESC5, knox 0x0500 :
6- Like i'm not in knox 0x1 but 0x0500 do i have a try ?
7- Can i have back knox related apps editing something ? or almost same knox-apps (mainly secured folder) ?
8- If it's usefull, can i go back to initial stock rom ? A real samsung official install from myself or samsung center ?
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Yotitchy said:
Général questions :
1- These knox problems are only for s7 exynos ?
2- Root and samsung pass never work ? still have someone who say yes
3- Rooted and now unrouted and samsung pass don't work ? still someone who say yes
4- unrooted + full wipe + stock rom and samsung pass don't work ? must i have to try several official rom perhaps ? trying will fail my knox more ? still someone who say an official rom will work
5- Other root method could have work with knox ? but too late if already rooted ?
For me, S7 exynos, R16NW.G930FXXS4ESC5, knox 0x0500 :
6- How did i mistake ? Like i'm not in knox 0x1 but 0x0500 do i have a try ? or if i try i'll have 0x1 and no more try ?
7- Can i have back knox related apps or almost same apps (mainly samsung pass and secure folder) ?
8- Can i go back to initial stock rom ? a real samsung official rom ?
9- Can i try again following from http://autoroot.chainfire.eu/ then this link https://desktop.firmware.mobi/ look for G930F, take the R16NW.G930FXXS4ESC5 version who has the same than my phone ?
10- Must i follow post like : https://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/how-to/samsung-pay-knox-warranty-void-t3549449 or it will be worst hard to get back to normallity ?
11- What is Magisk ? before rooting ? after rooting ? for rooting ? Can i try magisk solution ? or it will be worst hard to get back to normallity
12- On french support samsung-forum just say go in samsung store they got tool to repair with a real official rom for 40€ . i dont believe.
edited : 13- Like that can i still have samsung android updates ?
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Hellooo
1. No, the KNOX Warranty Void stuff is already an "issue" ever since the Samsung Galaxy S4 came out. And ever since that, every new Samsung Device launches with that Knox counter. BTW, the KNOX Counter is an one-time programmable chip that once it detects any sort of modifications to the Device (Root, Custom Recovery like TWRP etc.) sets the counter from 0x0 to either 0x1 or 0x500.
2. That's right, All of Samsung's Security / Pay apps immediately will stop working once the Device was rooted.
3. See Answer 2 xD Since the KNOX Counter is more like a Hardware-based thing, it won't change even after a complete Stock ROM flash process.
4. Whatever those guys say, don't believe them. See Answer 3. xD
5. There are pretty much no methods to root the Device without screwing up with KNOX. The Samsung S6 / S6 Edge once had such a way of rooting tho where you were able to root while still having the KNOX at 0x0, but only on the Lollipop firmware though.
6. "Triggering" the KNOX Counter, whether it shows 0x1 or 0x500 is a one-time thing, like voiding the Warranty with rooting countless times won't make the Counter go crazy between 0x1 and 0x500 xD
7. Maybe. You'd be better to look for alternatives though, but maybe after a while tho some Dev might be able to patch it to work with rooted / Knox 0x1 Devices.
8. Yes sure. Flashing the for the Device latest available Stock ROM will return the Device to factory condition... Except the KNOX thingy tho xD
11. Magisk is like SuperSU a tool/program/software whatever you wanna name it, a Program to gain root access.
12. Nice joke, damn. xD I once asked at a Samsung Store to repair the Dead Motherboard of the S7 from my Mom, they said it'll be between 200-300€ JUST FOR THE MOBO, means you'll also have to consider the actual repair costs and so on. 40€ is a joke.
13. See 8. Yes, after returning to full stock you should still get OTA Updates.
Okaaaayyy soo I hope I was able to help you at least a little bit
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Okaaaayyy soo I hope I was able to help you at least a little bit
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hi !
Yes thanks a lot for these answers
Its should be in capitals red letters thtat knox broken = samsung app broken in notices threads :/
Even if rooting look easy, noob people like me should take really care before, wost that i did it mainly for fun testing
Finally i got a rooted phone but not really usefull for me, and no more secure folder who was really usefull for me XD
If someone got a method to get an app like secure folder (who emulate another system, don't care security) he is welcome
thanks again Fatal
Yotitchy said:
hi !
Yes thanks a lot for these answers
If someone got a method to get an app like secure folder (who emulate another system, don't care security) he is welcome
thanks again Fatal
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Your welcome.
I made a quick google search and came across that thread on Reddit, maybe one of these apps is gonna work for you? ^^
Fatal_Scythe said:
Your welcome.
I made a quick google search and came across that thread on Reddit, maybe one of these apps is gonna work for you? ^^
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thx i've found it too
exactly what i need, I tried normal install who dont work XD
island FAQ said manual install with ADB : https://island.oasisfeng.com/setup.html
but i block at begin with “Error: couldn’t create User” even if I execute setprop fw.max_users 10, i'm looking about it
I am unable to create secure folder in my s22 ultra . While I am trying to create secure folder it says "If this keeps happening , contact customer service" . I tested my device via Samsung members app and I noticed something strange . I have attached the screenshot below. I really want to fix this software issue and secure folder . Please anyone help me out. I also tried clean flash via odin . But the issue is same. I formatted the device and restored the OS. But that doesn't help. Please help me out. Thanks .
Is it rooted? Rooting disables Knox, which is what Secure Folder, Samsung Wallet, DeX, and many banking apps require to run or work.
I rooted it earlier but then I removed root and flashed stock firmware . Now my device is not rooted and the bootloader is also locked . And after locking the bootloader , I flashed stock firmware again . But the issue is still same. How can I reflash full stock firmware so that I can enjoy all of the knox essential apps.
Knox is removed and you cant use secure folder anymore.
Is there any way to fix this .? Or , I need to visit customer service .?
arslaankhan said:
Is there any way to fix this .? Or , I need to visit customer service .?
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Once you root, knox tripped forever and some knox apps won't work. Nothing can help but buy a new device/replace mobo
dr.ketan said:
Once you root, knox tripped forever and some knox apps won't work. Nothing can help but buy a new device/replace mobo
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^this^
The efuse is a physical micro fuse that's part of the chipset.
arslaankhan said:
Is there any way to fix this .? Or , I need to visit customer service .?
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Only fix is replacing the phone motherboard...in a service yes
Rapier said:
Only fix is replacing the phone motherboard...in a service yes
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That won't be cheap. Samsung seems to accept knox tripped phones for trade ups though. So best course of action probably is to live with it and wait.
Knox isn't that useful, but having it tripped may skew banking apps... more work arounds to do, or just access banking through the browser which is a better plan anyway.
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I rooted it earlier but then I removed root and flashed stock firmware . Now my device is not rooted and the bootloader is also locked . And after locking the bootloader , I flashed stock firmware again . But the issue is still same. How can I reflash full stock firmware so that I can enjoy all of the knox essential apps.
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Rooting trips an "e-fuse" that breaks Knox. Restoring to stock, locking the bootloader, and un-rooting doesn't fix it. As far as I know, once that e-fuse is tripped there is no way to get Knox back short of sending it to Samsung.
You fu##ked your device men. And how can you bring it to customer service if the knox is already tripped
They even not take it for other stuff if knox is tripped and imagine you're going just for knox
Mr Hassan said:
You fu##ked your device men. And how can you bring it to customer service if the knox is already tripped
They even not take it for other stuff if knox is tripped and imagine you're going just for knox
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With a warranty repair of any kind Samsung may charge you to replace the mobo.
However knox being tripped isn't on their trade-in criteria list.
What stops working when knox is tripped.
Download a module to solve the problem that a secure folder cannot be created after root. Support one UI (4.1)
After installation, restart to create a secure folder
blackhawk said:
.... Samsung seems to accept knox tripped phones for trade ups though....
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Well in some regions/countries maybe but in others they just started to accept trade in of normal functional devices.
I agree with you...if you did it, at least you did it for a reason so live with it, rooting offers some benefits if you use them.
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Well in some regions/countries maybe but in others they just started to accept trade in of normal functional devices.
I agree with you...if you did it, at least you did it for a reason so live with it, rooting offers some benefits if you use them.
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Agreed, not the end of the world. I run stock N10+'s but don't use any of the knox features, never have.
blackhawk said:
Agreed, not the end of the world. I run stock N10+'s but don't use any of the knox features, never have.
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If you use banking apps, then you are using a Knox feature. Most banking apps rely on Knox for secure banking.
gernerttl said:
If you use banking apps, then you are using a Knox feature. Most banking apps rely on Knox for secure banking.
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Not, logon through the browser...
blackhawk said:
Not, logon through the browser...
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You do it through the browser because you think the apps are susceptible to being hacked?
dj24 said:
You do it through the browser because you think the apps are susceptible to being hacked?
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No social media or shopping apps either.
It's loose ends I don't want or need. Small wonder people have trouble with malware/spyware, just look at the junkware they eagerly load themselves.
The browser provides another layer of protection and isolation. The load speed is fast too.
Not working modile