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Wow, wtf?!? That's all I can say.
//Tap'd on my TBolt while grounded\\
wow smfh this is not cool Google -___-
Music works just fine.
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had absolutely nothing to do with the music beta though...
If you are mad at google, you have no idea what is going on.
Totally unsurprising, and not unreasonable.
+1 to g00s3y.
This has NOTHING to do with the music beta...
I find it unreasonable. This was clearly done at the whim of the movie studios in the name of anti piracy measures. The reason I can be sure is the moronic logic. Anyone willing to pay in the first place wouldn't be the pirate type. Who is going to pay to watch it just to pirate it? They are making it so people who root their phones can't pay for the content. That leaves one way to view it, piracy. Also if you are smart enough to root a phone, you can certainly fire up a torrent. Shame on Google for bending over to the mpaa and movie studios. Can't say I care all that much though. The studios are shooting themselves in the foot. People will only take so much bull**** and keep dealing with it. If only they had even half a clue what consumers want.
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I mean...they're all businesses looking to make money. How would you feel if the product you guys worked hard on was being stolen and you weren't getting hard-earned money for it?
@darkroom. I agree with u. There is always get movies n music for free. Y screw those who may actually possibly want to save themselves the footwork and actually cough up the money to buy it..
That and in time a hack will be made to bypass the check for rooted devices. Google should know that already ... as they said themselves that as long as there is security in place there will be a procedure to bypass it...
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Then, you have the option of not paying for Google videos. That will show them. Isn't the free market great?
This was clearly done at the whim of the movie studios in the name of anti piracy measures.
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Your point being?
Who is going to pay to watch it just to pirate it?
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Of course you're right, because pirates always create their own content, they never start with something that was paid for (camcorder in a theater, unencrypting a DVD, etc.).
They are making it so people who root their phones can't pay for the content. That leaves one way to view it, piracy.
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Really? The only device you can watch video on is your phone? Almost everyone else has a range of choices - theater, DVD, Blu-ray, Netflix, TV, etc. Phones pretty much suck for watching movies, they have small screens and poor audio. The market continues to move toward large screen home theater systems. You don't know what you're missing.
I fear that Android's time as a fully-open platform is limited... If they want to play nice with the corporate world, doors are going to get shut on our faces. At least that's how I see it...
Yeah, lets say screw the law, google will just pay all the lawsuits that they get, no problem. Some of you are idiots.
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I fear that Android's time as a fully-open platform is limited...
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Huh? Android was never "a fully open platform." The kernel (only) is licensed under the GPL, but most of the rest is licensed under Apache or similar, which has no requirement to provide source. Google makes everything fully available to hardware manufacturers only. That they've made most of it available to anyone is through their generosity, it's got nothing to do with being "open" in the FOSS sense.
What _is_ "open" is application development and distribution - no need to get the gardener to pot your plant inside the wall.
Don't like Google's terms for their forthcoming movie rental biz? Write your own app, and start your own competing one. Google hasn't done anything to stop you.
At the end of the day 10 dollars is too much for a movie. There are way more professions that should make that kinda money. Teachers and doctor's and people like that should be the paid people not the producer who gave input of a video. I'll pirate till they choose to reduce they product
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At the end of the day 10 dollars is too much for a movie. There are way more professions that should make that kinda money. Teachers and doctor's and people like that should be the paid people not the producer who gave input of a video. I'll pirate till they choose to reduce they product
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So, you rationalize your illegal actions, instead of just avoiding the product altogether. You're the problem, not the solution.
Good to see a few people see how reasonable this is. To Google consumers, developers and the 'big wigs' come first, not the tinkers and hackers. As others stated, Google is in the business of making money.
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So, you rationalize your illegal actions, instead of just avoiding the product altogether. You're the problem, not the solution.
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Probably thinks $2.99 is too much for an app that he uses everyday too.
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I mean...they're all businesses looking to make money. How would you feel if the product you guys worked hard on was being stolen and you weren't getting hard-earned money for it?
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Thanks man, I work in the film industry and never can seem to get the point across that its how i support my family. People seem to have the perspective today that well i don't have the money then they buy a case of beer or something and download a movie and its no big deal. Its just like software developers you need to support the community and I'm sure most do but I can't blame the studios for protecting their lively hood. Pirating moves does effect people. However I am a rooted user and still feel its to bad I can't buy movies on a rooted device as I would on a regular basis.
ok, first of all I'd like to state that I am not in fact trolling. This is a serious question from one dev to another. I have been devving on android for almost 2 years now and have been devving on wp7 for around 3 months. Studies have shown that despite the clear difference in market share that people who are developing the same app for each OS are making quite a bit more for wp7 and even more for ios of course due to app pirating. I understand why all these rooting and rom apps and over locking apps are made but why would anyone spend all the time to develop a game when the security is so minimal that any app could be either just stolen or given a crack without issue. Its sad really to see developers hard work go unrewarded but app pirating is way too easy. You can go download a folder with 10000 apks of all these different games on a torrent site in about a minute and honestly its sad. I really don't see how android devs survive without ad support.
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ok, first of all I'd like to state that I am not in fact trolling. This is a serious question from one dev to another. I have been devving on android for almost 2 years now and have been devving on wp7 for around 3 months. Studies have shown that despite the clear difference in market share that people who are developing the same app for each OS are making quite a bit more for wp7 and even more for ios of course due to app pirating. I understand why all these rooting and rom apps and over locking apps are made but why would anyone spend all the time to develop a game when the security is so minimal that any app could be either just stolen or given a crack without issue. Its sad really to see developers hard work go unrewarded but app pirating is way too easy. You can go download a folder with 10000 apks of all these different games on a torrent site in about a minute and honestly its sad. I really don't see how android devs survive without ad support.
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lol... there are bad people in this world.. and everyone can become a bad person.. so everyone desires to be one? so everyone becomes bad.. nope
k do this.. go to your android market.. search for robo-defence..look at its price.. and look at its downlaods, it will say >500,000 and it cost 2.90 dollars
i think ill do the maths
thats around 1450000 dollars ...
obviously developer actually dint make this much .. but u get my idea.. he made a lot of money .. and if for instance he thought like u .. he would have not made all that money. he dint allow negativity to take over him.
and people who look for un-faithfull means.. find it.. and there are many who know about piracy but they have human values , they always pay.
and trust me there are so many who wodnt even know about where to find these pirated apps .. they actually dont care . These people pay
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lol... there are bad people in this world.. and everyone can become a bad person.. so everyone desires to be one? so everyone becomes bad.. nope
k do this.. go to your android market.. search for robo-defence..look at its price.. and look at its downlaods, it will say >500,000 and it cost 2.90 dollars
i think ill do the maths
thats around 1450000 dollars ...
obviously developer actually dint make this much .. but u get my idea.. he made a lot of money .. and if for instance he thought like u .. he would have not made all that money. he dint allow negativity to take over him.
and people who look for un-faithfull means.. find it.. and there are many who know about piracy but they have human values , they always pay.
and trust me there are so many who wodnt even know about where to find these pirated apps .. they actually dont care . These people pay
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You are absolutely right my friend.even though I know where I can find those pirated stuff I bought talking tom, fruit ninja, file downloader plus from the market.respect you in this aspect that people pay
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lol... there are bad people in this world.. and everyone can become a bad person.. so everyone desires to be one? so everyone becomes bad.. nope
k do this.. go to your android market.. search for robo-defence..look at its price.. and look at its downlaods, it will say >500,000 and it cost 2.90 dollars
i think ill do the maths
thats around 1450000 dollars ...
obviously developer actually dint make this much .. but u get my idea.. he made a lot of money .. and if for instance he thought like u .. he would have not made all that money. he dint allow negativity to take over him.
and people who look for un-faithfull means.. find it.. and there are many who know about piracy but they have human values , they always pay.
and trust me there are so many who wodnt even know about where to find these pirated apps .. they actually dont care . These people pay
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well I'm on wp7 I i understand paying for apps. I've bought 13 Xbox live titles. Robo defense though has been around since my g1 was still a big device, pirating android apps didn't really start til after the Verizon droid came out and android went mainstream, sure it was there but it wasn't so easy. My stepmom could not navigate Facebook on her computer but she knows how to pirate apps, its made too easy. When I paid 9.99 for zenonia the day it came out and my friend pirated it for free 3 days I i was pretty peeved. These things are just far too easy on android and right now I'm considering if it's worth porting my new RPG over to android or not...
Are you trying to say that you cant pirate wp7 apps? Or that wp7 users have better morals than us droids?
Every platform has piracy. Apologies if it's not right to discuss it here, but jailbreak WP7 and you're free to sideload XNA apps at no cost. Not ethically right, but possible. Exploits will always be found.
It has to do with the user base. As a mass market platform, the vast majority of Android users don't know or care about sideloading applications. You overestimate the lengths people will go to to save one or two dollars. If the right app is available for one click downloading, the convenience outweighs digging around for the right apk file. Same reason why iTunes was so successful in combating music piracy. Make piracy the less appealing option.
When I was a young poor student I was going to the torrent sites for all the software i use. Today i use linux at home( i'd buy a legal os otherwise) and buy all my apps from the market.
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Every platform has piracy. Apologies if it's not right to discuss it here, but jailbreak WP7 and you're free to sideload XNA apps at no cost. Not ethically right, but possible. Exploits will always be found.
It has to do with the user base. As a mass market platform, the vast majority of Android users don't know or care about sideloading applications. You overestimate the lengths people will go to to save one or two dollars. If the right app is available for one click downloading, the convenience outweighs digging around for the right apk file. Same reason why iTunes was so successful in combating music piracy. Make piracy the less appealing option.
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Exactly, why bother going to the effort of hunting around the net, finding an old version of the apk, risking warez sites throwing malware etc at you, just to save $1.99
Yes there is piracy of WP7 apps too, and with such a small market share, there's the potential for it to hit developers' incomes far greater. So perhaps the question should be "Why develope for WP7 when piracy can have a greater impact?"
Think about it, if you've got a large enough market share that 10% piracy still leaves you with a large income from legitimate sales, then although it's a pain, it's still making you lots of money, where as if your sales are low due to the few users who own the device you're developing for, you need that 10% to make a reasonable amount as you can't have the same number of sales as the more popular operating systems.
If I sell $100,000 worth of bananas and it turns out $10,000 was actually stolen, then that still leaves $90,000 in my pocket.
But if I sell only $1000 worth of bananas and $100 were actually stolen, then I've only got $900 in my pocket.
I guess because the majority of users will stay pay for a game or app that they want.
It's the same with PC software and games...many people crack and download them for free, but the majority will still pay for them.
You have to jailbreak iOS and WP7 to sideload apps. That means that >90% of iOS/WP7 users will have to pay.
You can sideload apps on Android straight out of the box without rooting, which makes piracy just as easy as on desktop operating systems.
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You have to jailbreak iOS and WP7 to sideload apps. That means that >90% of iOS/WP7 users will have to pay.
You can sideload apps on Android straight out of the box without rooting, which makes piracy just as easy as on desktop operating systems.
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And yet people are still making computer programs.
To some developers the trade off is worth it even when you factor in piracy. Look at how many indie games don't have drm making an app is pretty much the same. There are enough people who will buy the app to make a living off of
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ok, that is very interesting
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Of course.
Piracy is just a bit of background noise. Most pirates wouldn't have bought the app anyway.
What I get from the people around me, is that if the app is good enough or do fit their needs, they're willing to pay for it.
I like to see it this way:
When I get hungry I go to a vending machine a buy let say a Mars or something for 1 euro.
When I'm bored and I have to wait for a few minutes, I look on the android market and buy a funny game for about that same amount of money.
I hope that other users see it the same way. The amount that an app or game will cost is so small, that most probably will spend more in the weekend on a beer.
An app is not a Mars bar.
Candy bars are not free. If you want a Nuts or a Bounty instead of a Mars you'll still have to pay.
For every paid app there's a free alternative. Usually there are many free alternatives, and the market has a built-in feature to find the free beer.
The Android Market has a "related apps" link. What other markets force their merchants to provide free advertising for their competitors in their very own market stall?
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I hope that other users see it the same way. The amount that an app or game will cost is so small, that most probably will spend more in the weekend on a beer.
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Spot on.
Ive paid for damn near every app on my phone. I appreciate the work and am more than willing to contribute. And still, all in all, ive spent maybe 15bucks total in the past 4months. Seriously, apps are one of the more affordable ( and not to mention hella convenient) luxuries in this day and age(and in this economy).
Try and go see a movie these days? How much?
Go buy a board game at wal- mart? How much?
Go to the arcade? (if you can find one anymore) how much?
Go buy a book at books a million? How much?
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Exactly, why bother going to the effort of hunting around the net, finding an old version of the apk, risking warez sites throwing malware etc at you, just to save $1.99
Yes there is piracy of WP7 apps too, and with such a small market share, there's the potential for it to hit developers' incomes far greater. So perhaps the question should be "Why develope for WP7 when piracy can have a greater impact?"
Think about it, if you've got a large enough market share that 10% piracy still leaves you with a large income from legitimate sales, then although it's a pain, it's still making you lots of money, where as if your sales are low due to the few users who own the device you're developing for, you need that 10% to make a reasonable amount as you can't have the same number of sales as the more popular operating systems.
If I sell $100,000 worth of bananas and it turns out $10,000 was actually stolen, then that still leaves $90,000 in my pocket.
But if I sell only $1000 worth of bananas and $100 were actually stolen, then I've only got $900 in my pocket.
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you should really look at the general profit margins from OS to OS, even your average developer makes more on wp7 than android because as someone already stated, there's a free version of pretty much everything on android and what's not can be pirated. Then there's the fragmentation for every app that was made for 2.1 plus. Sure, you CAN pirate on wp7, its a long, complex process that doesn't work fully on Xbl games and actually requires some knowledge, its not androids out-of-box pirating or iOSes one click jailbreak with everything done for you. Its the only OS that adds some level of complexity to doing such things and that little bit is more than enough for your average user.
Next OS ; WHY CANT I MAKE AS MUCH ON WP7 APPS random_os001 makes more WAHHHH
(YEAR OR TWO LATER~!) RANDOM_os002 WAS RELEASED (os001 sorry ur gonna lose money now unless u try to stick with the pack.)
Don't know if anyone's heard but apparently Microsoft is taking full advantage of webOS's fall. They are offer development free tools, phones and etc. Wow they waste no time.
Here's a link to the article.
http://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_o...nd_training_to_webos_developers-news-3026.php
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Don't know if anyone's heard but apparently Microsoft is taking full advantage of webOS's fall. They are offer development free tools, phones and etc. Wow they waste no time.
Here's a link to the article.
http://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_o...nd_training_to_webos_developers-news-3026.php
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Tell me about it. I do respect them on what their doing. Great devs lose their jobs, so they're up for grabs.
Microsofts making all the right moves.
Exactly, playing it smart.
Agree, smart move, but Android won't lose market share easily..
Only a plus to Microsoft.
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Agree, smart move, but Android won't lose market share easily..
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Oh not at all. Microsoft has a long way to go to catch up with the Android and Apple.
Honestly I feel the only reason Microsoft is down in the smartphone game is because
1- They don't advertise as much
2- They don't have a radically new WP7 that draws users to the phone
3- If they bundled their phones with computer sales, it would allow customers to easily jump into the os.
If they saw those three points and worked on them, it would send them up there with the big boys.
Problem is every court hates ms for integrating software into windows; you think giving away a basic phone with every dell will ease those tensions? Unfortunately, ms can't get away with the crap apple does with every pc, ipod, iphone and ipad.
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Problem is every court hates ms for integrating software into windows; you think giving away a basic phone with every dell will ease those tensions? Unfortunately, ms can't get away with the crap apple does with every pc, ipod, iphone and ipad.
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That's understandable. Still, it then goes back to advertising. It seems as if MS wants people to magically know about their devices.
I've only seen a commercial for the Surround about 5 times and that was it.
I'd be so pissed if I was a webOS developer. Excited to see more/better apps for Windows Phone.
but with this microsoft did a step forward, it could help to get some DEVs but i dont think that it will get better then GOOGLE OS
I had a palm treo as my first smart phone and it ran windows. it was terrible.. I'm sure they have gotten better, but that phone gave me a sour opinion on windows phones.. not so good then probably not so good now.. but it does make me curious to playing with a windows phone next time im at a best buy or other retail store with one on display..
Windows phones, just like android, are at their full potential when custom roms are created. I think if they were more devs into the os it could compete.
Why get off one sinking ship to get on another sinking ship?
"Why get off one sinking ship to get on another sinking ship?" vetvito
you think Mango will sink?
No money to be made there, just like WebOS. You get customers first, the devs will follow.
Microsoft should come back. Competition keeps the others sharp.
I kind of pity all of those developers who spent months developing for WebOS only to have it be trashed.
1.2 billion down the drain....
...wow just read up on all the money hp used to buy and develop webOS that number was just for the purchase of Palm inc.
Do you think anyone can develope a program to prevent google from capturing this information about their users? Maybe at least on a android based platform even. This really chaps my a$$
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-tracks-consumers-across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html?wpisrc=al_comboNE_b
Whats the big deal? Google cuts down on paperwork and the policies haven't changed, they are just merged/ It eliminated redundancies and wasted effort.
what difference does it make if you are giving your personal information to Gmail or to youtube? If google has it, Google has it, period. It is still a Google based service, combining the private policies of all of the services into one makes perfect sense.
Google has stated they still have no plans to change how they handle the data.
The big deal is I NEVER CLICK YES for gooble to collect anything on me, which means I "opt-out" now I have a contract on a phone I dont want to touch. great, a 700$ paperweight , not including the service. screw you google.
I will not tap "yes" for google
Are you sure that they are 700 $?
Rage! An ad/marketing company makes my OS and wants to show me ads relevant to me rather than random ads. A company wants to make money off of a product they've created and are heavily vested in? Who'd have thunk it?
Don't like it? There's other choices out there. WP7 is pretty hot ;-)
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Rage! An ad/marketing company makes my OS and wants to show me ads relevant to me rather than random ads. A company wants to make money off of a product they've created and are heavily vested in? Who'd have thunk it?
Don't like it? There's other choices out there. WP7 is pretty hot ;-)
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Wait til wp7 phones get ads lol
Have to say though to op its not like google are pushing ads to your device. If you browse net you get same problem. I think they have messed up somewhere cos on my laptop I always get ads for things I already have. But I don't get ads on my phone unless on a webpage or using an ad funded app so no different to a pc or any internet device.
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mistermentality said:
Wait til wp7 phones get ads lol
Have to say though to op its not like google are pushing ads to your device. If you browse net you get same problem. I think they have messed up somewhere cos on my laptop I always get ads for things I already have. But I don't get ads on my phone unless on a webpage or using an ad funded app so no different to a pc or any internet device.
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Microsoft is a software company, Google is a marketing company.
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Microsoft is a software company, Google is a marketing company.
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Hence the lol
But the point is google aren't sending ads any different than on a pc. Whatever phone pc or tablet people use makes no difference, google and others can and do still collect data when you browse.
And some collect other data even when you opt out such as wp7 collecting user data that caused them to get sued last year. Its impossible to have a smartphone and not have someone collect data of some sort.
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Hence the lol
But the point is google aren't sending ads any different than on a pc. Whatever phone pc or tablet people use makes no difference, google and others can and do still collect data when you browse.
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I am not fond of google. I use Bing and have visited YouTube maybe 3 times this year. That said, Bing does the same thing to me.
Well **** that.. i am going back to Symbian s60v3... At least i wont have the damn adds
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Well **** that.. i am going back to Symbian s60v3... At least i wont have the damn adds
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Lmao.
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I use Bing...Bing does the same thing to me.
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Bing probably does other things that would scare the hell out of you if you were aware of them. Google is nosy. M$ is evil.
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Bing probably does other things that would scare the hell out of you if you were aware of them. Google is nosy. M$ is evil.
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Color me intrigued, what makes Microsoft more evil than google?
What would be the best way to avoid this?
a problem I could see is if like, I have my son over on a weekend and he jumps on...idk, nickelodeon. com or something, will it show ads for all the porn sites I visit?
I sure as hell wouldn't want him reporting that to his mother and even possibly the appropriate authorities...
just curious but in what way is this different, if not dramatically worse, than everything CarrierIQ was accused of a few months back.
I wonder if this will affect things like StartPage which bills itself as being completely private but is "enhanced by Google"
This is why I have dead email addresses. I've got one for Gmail just for my phone. Never use it for anything else. Just the phone.
Don't Be Evil, just make lots and lots of money.
The real problem is the internet. There are always the spammers that get a kick out of just breaking someone else's things, and that's why almost all websites log things. It also creates privacy concerns for those trying to follow the rules. So if it bothers you so much that Google knows you search for a laptop, and it suggests that there is a better, cheaper one, next time you use gmail, then you have problems. I personally love this, now when I go between Google services, I don't have to log in again. Google provides you with great services for free, why not give them the ability to advertise to you? The world is dangerous, get over it.
Or you could do the most practical thing, ad block. Its on Firefox and chrome, so that should cover almost everybody. If your stuck with ie, well, god help you.
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just curious but in what way is this different, if not dramatically worse, than everything CarrierIQ was accused of a few months back.
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Carrier IQ records keystrokes, text messages and other private stuff Google does not. And without even telling anyone it was there.
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nazsa said:
The big deal is I NEVER CLICK YES
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You agreed to their terms of service. As has been pointed out, the information is used so they can show ads that pertain to you specifically. I view this as a good thing.
If you don't want a company to know your browsing and purchasing habits, you should buy a cabin in the woods and live off the grid, no electronics, no grocery stores, completely self sufficient.
Good luck!
I now refuse to use any Cyanogen products/mod/OS.
Microsoft is investing 70 million dollars into Cyanogen, Inc.
Cyanogen, Inc. is now threatening to wage an OS war with Google.
Honestly i've used CyanogenMod since 5. They are going the way of companies such as RedHat. Remember them?
Sad sad days.
The magic is gone.
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I now refuse to use any Cyanogen products/mod/OS.
Microsoft is investing 70 million dollars into Cyanogen, Inc.
Cyanogen, Inc. is now threatening to wage an OS war with Google.
Honestly i've used CyanogenMod since 5. They are going the way of companies such as RedHat. Remember them?
Sad sad days.
The magic is gone.
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Why is that a bad thing? What Cyanogen wants to do is have a more open Android system. Google seriously has too much control over it. Today, a lot of Android isn't as open as it used to be.
Even if Microsoft is investing in Cyanogen and pushing them to do something for the Windows Phone platform, I think that is a good thing.
Competition breeds innovation. If it wasn't for Apple, we'd still be on Windows Mobile 6.5 or Symbian S60. If it wasn't for Google, iPhones would still not have copy and paste.
Know this that at the end of the day, no single company should be able to strong arm the customer to use what they think is right. Apple tried to do that and Android grew as a result of it.
I agree with what you say, but it seems that Cyanogen (based on recent comments by C, Inc.) is going to use Microsoft to strong arm google.
The entire "we will take android away from google" is counterproductive imho.
We shall see as the situation transpires.
Money talks and sometimes ruins good things. Kondik is a rich man now.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...nogen-hopes-to-take-android-away-from-google/
That may be a biased thread but it does prove what I'm saying overall.
Here is the paragraph in that article that concerns me greatly.
Cyanogen takes the Android source code and modifies it, adding more features and porting it to other devices. It has also started supplying Android builds directly to OEMs (like the OnePlus One), which ship the software on devices instead of stock Android. Last week during a talk in San Francisco, Cyanogen's CEO said the company's goal was to "take Android away from Google." It wants to replace the Google Play ecosystem with apps of its own, the same way that Amazon uses the Android Open Source Project for its Kindle Fire products but adds its own app and content stores.
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I don't mind if they want to do what Amazon did with the Kindle line, but that statement by their CEO is a bold one indeed.
The funny part is that if they take the Amazon course, the community will just do what they did with the Kindle, root it and install google aosp.
I just pray that they don't discontinue CyanogenMod when their game plan starts to come to fruition.
We talk of fragmentation now...just wait. lol
I totally disagree that they want a more open system for android. If they are talking about their own store, etc...they want to control their own stuff, which in my opinion makes things more closed on their end.
Controlling their own identity if fine by me, but like I said....the consumer will deal with more fragmentation than ever.
nobreak1970 said:
I just pray that they don't discontinue CyanogenMod when their game plan starts to come to fruition.
We talk of fragmentation now...just wait. lol
I totally disagree that they want a more open system for android. If they are talking about their own store, etc...they want to control their own stuff, which in my opinion makes things more closed on their end.
Controlling their own identity if fine by me, but like I said....the consumer will deal with more fragmentation than ever.
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You know what will happen? People will root the devices, remove their nonsense and flash Google Play services via TWRP..
buggerman said:
You know what will happen? People will root the devices, remove their nonsense and flash Google Play services via TWRP..
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+1
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I agree that it may be a good thing, with influx of capitol more can be done and anything which leads into a more open platform is imo a good thing. If they end up going down a M$ or Google path with their OS (if they branch out into doing something like that commercially) of controlling everything then yea... it's gonna suck. Small companies/people making a ton of money is not necessarily a bad thing. Time will tell.
Yes . Google has a lot of control over android and its good if Cyanogen wants to change that by making it more open source but having their own play store and services doesn't sound like that. It just kinda shows that Cyanogen wants to up their game and make some heavy money with Microsoft at their back.
As long as it ends up being good for us consumers , I am happy .
Competitions is a good thing. The more they compete the more we get.
OK OK I was a bit tired and grumpy about the cyanogen + Microsoft deal.
I wouldn't hesitate putting CyanogenMOD on my phone if/when it develops .
Still miffed about Cyanogen, Inc. pompous attitude.
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nobreak1970 said:
OK OK I was a bit tired and grumpy about the cyanogen + Microsoft deal.
I wouldn't hesitate putting CyanogenMOD on my phone if/when it develops .
Still miffed about Cyanogen, Inc. pompous attitude.
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Don't feel bad. Many feel the same way to the point of even removing their repos from their roms.
Well, I support Cyanogen. But having their own playstore? Fragmentation much?
In my last phone with cm, I never used any gapps or google services. Thats what true android is, android free of bloatware. The last thing I want is a custom rom with its its own set of bloatware.
If they keep CM the same, Ill stay happy. I never respected google with their policies regarding android or unauthorized use of resources by their gapps.
If they try to align with microsoft and perhaps collaborate with them, yeah, sure. I just hope they dont turn android into windows because in that case im out.
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OP, I dont understand why you support google that much. If googles trend keeps on going, android will end up like a bad iOS copycat, with so much taken away from AOSP.
never did use cyanogen. but i think it is a good idea on investing.
we need someone to rake the dough?
shadowcore said:
Well, I support Cyanogen. But having their own playstore? Fragmentation much?
In my last phone with cm, I never used any gapps or google services. Thats what true android is, android free of bloatware. The last thing I want is a custom rom with its its own set of bloatware.
If they keep CM the same, Ill stay happy. I never respected google with their policies regarding android or unauthorized use of resources by their gapps.
OP, I dont understand why you support google that much. If googles trend keeps on going, android will end up like a bad iOS copycat, with so much taken away from AOSP.
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Simple: they are letting Microsoft directly in the front door. Sure MS makes revenue now from Android... but Google isn't welcoming them into the fold.
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Simple: they are letting Microsoft directly in the front door. Sure MS makes revenue now from Android... but Google isn't welcoming them into the fold.
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Really, thats it? I still dont understand why you support google. MS makes money out off android anyway, with their licenses and patents.
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MS makes money out off android anyway, with their licenses and patents.
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I was about to say... if you think MS isn't already making money off of Android, you need to sit down and learn how all (or most) devices interconnect. Nobody in this sort of business allows cross-platform anything without getting some payment out of it, which is typically in the form of money.
LOL wanna reread my last post?
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LOL
...that said, if Google didn't want MS in their products, they could have just offered a closed system a la Apple (over-simplifying here, but I digress). Honestly though, if you want to blame something on this whole thing, blame the general userbase.
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LOL
...that said, if Google didn't want MS in their products, they could have just offered a closed system a la Apple (over-simplifying here, but I digress). Honestly though, if you want to blame something on this whole thing, blame the general userbase.
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Yes, but closed system would be totally in contrary of Linux' open source philosophy. They would have to abandon Android then
And now there are so many $$$ signs shining in Google's eyes....
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