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Charging the battery

Do you only use the HTC charger that came with your phone? MicroUSB is MicroUSB and it will charge from any charger BUT I have heard that different milliamp chargers can cause undesired effects in the battery (of any phone) such as decreased lifespan or less battery life in the short term. Any truth to this? Only reason I ask is because A) I'm curious and B) I got my Sensation yesterday, charged it with the stock charger at work but left it by mistake. When I got home, I charged it with another charger I had lying around. After 8 hrs off the charger, I had dropped from 100% to 99% (awesome). I then made a phone call this morning for 6m and used the display for 15m and it dropped to 94%. I then left it in my pocket for another hour and it dropped to 90%. I don't get it! :-(

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hah2110 said:
Do you only use the HTC charger that came with your phone? MicroUSB is MicroUSB and it will charge from any charger BUT I have heard that different milliamp chargers can cause undesired effects in the battery (of any phone) such as decreased lifespan or less battery life in the short term. Any truth to this?
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The official HTC charger is 5V 1A. Some other chargers, such as car lighter chargers and USB ports only give out 0.5A, so charging takes much, much longer. In fact, if you use a 5V 0.5A charger whilst continuously using the phone for something battery-intensive like sat-nav, the charge will still drop, but not as fast as if it were not charging at all. You'll get a warning on the phone something along the lines of "the charger is not sufficient to charge the phone and use it at the same time" (can't remember the exact wording). make sure you use 5V 1A.
hah2110 said:
Only reason I ask is because A) I'm curious and B) I got my Sensation yesterday, charged it with the stock charger at work but left it by mistake. When I got home, I charged it with another charger I had lying around. After 8 hrs off the charger, I had dropped from 100% to 99% (awesome). I then made a phone call this morning for 6m and used the display for 15m and it dropped to 94%. I then left it in my pocket for another hour and it dropped to 90%. I don't get it! :-(
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There are a few threads discussing this already.

sjgore said:
Two separate issues here:
The official HTC charger is 5V 1A. Some other chargers, such as car lighter chargers and USB ports only give out 0.5A, so charging takes much, much longer. In fact, if you use a 5V 0.5A charger whilst continuously using the phone for something battery-intensive like sat-nav, the charge will still drop, but not as fast as if it were not charging at all. You'll get a warning on the phone something along the lines of "the charger is not sufficient to charge the phone and use it at the same time" (can't remember the exact wording). make sure you use 5V 1A.
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This much I know. But they aren't all 1a. My old Defy charger was like .8 and this is 1a. I'm not referring to charge times. I pointed out your GPS point to an OP in another thread. I'm referring to if using a different MA charger effects the quality of the battery or how long it can run on a charge.
There are a few threads discussing this already.
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Conclusions?

How many amps can one charge at?
I see car charger product that claim to output at 1a, 2.1a, even 5a.
Then I see that it may not matter what the output of the device is: that unless the cable you use to charge shorts the center two pins together, you will only get .5a.

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I've always understood that a "trickle charge" or a slower charge is better. I only charge via usb for this reason. It takes much longer to charge, but supposedly it charges the battery in a better way and it will discharge slower.

Any truth to the battery conditioning tips I've seen about letting the battery charge and drain 3 times completely when new? I have read that these lithium batteries dont require that but I keep seeing conflicting info.

GorillaPimp said:
Any truth to the battery conditioning tips I've seen about letting the battery charge and drain 3 times completely when new? I have read that these lithium batteries dont require that but I keep seeing conflicting info.
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In addition to that, I'm curious on how you all charged your phone the first time. I want to make sure that I do it right when I get my Sensation.

So where are these battery drain threads?

kevin2sick said:
In addition to that, I'm curious on how you all charged your phone the first time. I want to make sure that I do it right when I get my Sensation.
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I used the wall charger initially but then switched to USB which actually seemed to work faster. I used my N1 charger earlier.

Anyone going to advise on battery drain? Losing 4-5%/hr idle. No, it isn't an app.

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hah2110 said:
Anyone going to advise on battery drain? Losing 4-5%/hr idle. No, it isn't an app.
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How did you verify what's draining it?

GorillaPimp said:
How did you verify what's draining it?
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HuH????????

hah2110 said:
HuH????????
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How can you be so sure that it's not a rogue app?
I get a drain of about 2% an hour. That's with wi-fi on, google syncing, and twitter and facebook updating every hour.

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How can you be so sure that it's not a rogue app?
I get a drain of about 2% an hour. That's with wi-fi on, google syncing, and twitter and facebook updating every hour.
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Because I had no apps installed that would do that, there is nothing in battery use, etc. 2%/hour is high for the sensation.

hah2110 said:
Because I had no apps installed that would do that, there is nothing in battery use, etc. 2%/hour is high for the sensation.
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There are apps and processes that are part of the system that can drain power like that. Having a bad signal and constantly dropping connections can run down your battery. Did you pick up watchdog for free on amazon yesterday? That can tell you more about what is using the cpu.

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Because I had no apps installed that would do that
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Well that's okay then. I was stupid enough to think you might have used something such as System Panel or Current Widget from the Market to actually verify the battery drain and the tasks/apps that were responsible.
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2%/hour is high for the sensation.
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High? My HTC Desire drained 1.75% per hour with CM7, so 2% for a dual-core phone running HTC Sense is pretty impressive, IMHO.

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Well that's okay then. I was stupid enough to think you might have used something such as System Panel or Current Widget from the Market to actually verify the battery drain and the tasks/apps that were responsible.
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I could do that, but they generally don't report too much.
High? My HTC Desire drained 1.75% per hour with CM7, so 2% for a dual-core phone running HTC Sense is pretty impressive, IMHO.
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If you read up on the reviews, you will see that the Sensation has achieved <1%/hr drain with items syncing.

Im really anal and I dont open my phones accessories if I dont have to lol. I have been using a spare MT4G charger and its working fine. It is rated at 1 Amp like the factory Sensation charger is though.
For those wondering, as slow as these batteries discharge you will probably not see any gains in performance when you trickle charge a battery (for example over USB) over using the stock charger. It is recommended you fully charge the battery and fully discharge it the first time you use it. The battery life will get better after a couple cycles, yes they need to be "broken in". Like all rechargeable batteries they will degrade over time, it is inevitable. Since OEM batteries are so cheap these days I personally dont go too far out of my way to "properly" charge and discharge my battery. It will die when it dies, at that time I will just buy a new battery.

Shield battery charging issue?

Anyone having charging issue. I ran my shield battery down when I first got it. Then I plug it in to charger. Its been charging over 8 hours and still not at 100 percent. took it off charge at 80 percent. No way it should take this long. I read on reviews it took like 4 to 5 hours.

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Anyone having charging issue. I ran my shield battery down when I first got it. Then I plug it in to charger. Its been charging over 8 hours and still not at 100 percent. took it off charge at 80 percent. No way it should take this long. I read on reviews it took like 4 to 5 hours.
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You used the charger that it came with? And you're not playing games the entire time it's charging, right?

agrabren said:
You used the charger that it came with? And you're not playing games the entire time it's charging, right?
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yes I use charger that came with it. and it was charging over night when I was sleeping.

That sounds really odd. What does the battery usage say for the device? Was it awake the whole time? Does it think it was charging all night?
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I feel like that has happened on my nexus 7 before. I bet it is an android thing. I would try again and see if it acts up a second time.

agrabren said:
That sounds really odd. What does the battery usage say for the device? Was it awake the whole time? Does it think it was charging all night?
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when I was charging, i close the screen. so it went to sleep. I dont know how you can tell if it think it was charging all night. I went to battery info and its said 13.6 hours on battery. and 48 percent of that was screen usage. rest was on game and apps.

evobunny said:
when I was charging, i close the screen. so it went to sleep. I dont know how you can tell if it think it was charging all night. I went to battery info and its said 13.6 hours on battery. and 48 percent of that was screen usage. rest was on game and apps.
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If you go into the "Battery Info" and touch on the graph area, it'll show you below some bars of time spent on different functions (like charging)

evobunny said:
when I was charging, i close the screen. so it went to sleep. I dont know how you can tell if it think it was charging all night. I went to battery info and its said 13.6 hours on battery. and 48 percent of that was screen usage. rest was on game and apps.
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1. Sometimes the battery indicator on Android can take a while to figure out your battery. It might drop 5 percent in ten minutes then take an hour to drop 5 more.
2. The vent area on my Shield seems warmer than the surrounding plastic even when in sleep for a while, so it may be drawing more power than is charging. Just try turning it off and charging it.

oushidian said:
1. Sometimes the battery indicator on Android can take a while to figure out your battery. It might drop 5 percent in ten minutes then take an hour to drop 5 more.
2. The vent area on my Shield seems warmer than the surrounding plastic even when in sleep for a while, so it may be drawing more power than is charging. Just try turning it off and charging it.
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Which vent area? Front or back? Because batteries do warm up when you charge them, and those are some big batteries (and a full 2 amp charge)

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Which vent area? Front or back?
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The smooth part on the bottom back with the model number, FCC, etc. And it's not when I'm charging but when the lid is closed. If I manually power it down then the warm goes away.

i never recommend running your device down when it comes straight out the box. usually i tell people to just fully charge the device first before running it dry therefore it can register the full battery, personally i would not leave a device connected over night just for the simple fact that it can be one in a million that the device might get screwed over a long period of time.
it be nice to know if the problem is fixed or not and what you did just in case others run into this same problem.

ive had no charging issues yet. batts do tend to get nice and warm tho.
but for what its worth i just noticed that im still getting notification sounds from my Shield even tho the lid is closed. so maybe its some kind of hybrid sleep and if you have some rogue app pulling a ton of CPU cycles & its not going into full sleep so its taking longer to charge?
just some food for thought on your issue

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ive had no charging issues yet. batts do tend to get nice and warm tho.
but for what its worth i just noticed that im still getting notification sounds from my Shield even tho the lid is closed. so maybe its some kind of hybrid sleep and if you have some rogue app pulling a ton of CPU cycles & its not going into full sleep so its taking longer to charge?
just some food for thought on your issue
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Like most Android devices, the device goes to "sleep". Unless you power it off, it still handles notifications, and it still talks on WiFi. But it should consume very little power.

elitecmdr666 said:
i never recommend running your device down when it comes straight out the box. usually i tell people to just fully charge the device first before running it dry therefore it can register the full battery, personally i would not leave a device connected over night just for the simple fact that it can be one in a million that the device might get screwed over a long period of time.
it be nice to know if the problem is fixed or not and what you did just in case others run into this same problem.
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Modern devices use LiPi or Li-ion batteries, these explode when overcharged (seriously, youtube search overcharge lipo). As a result all devices sold with this kind of battery have charge monitoring tools and will disconnect the battery from the charging circuit when full, also they should then run purely from the mains power when the battery is full rather than running on the battery again (they don't like the repeat connect/disconnect effect that would lead to). End result, can't overcharge it.
The heat on mains power tends to be from the voltage regulator. These devices don't run on 5V power like comes from the charger. They tend to use a combo of switch mode and linear regulators to drop the 5V to 3.3V for the CPU and peripherals (3.3 is most common at any rate). Linear regulators in particular get quite warm. Switch mode regulators don't get so warm but don't give a clean output the CPU will run nicely on, they have the odd drop or spike which would either reset or fry the CPU, so generally what happens is the switch mode reg drops a large chunk of the voltage and then feeds it into a linear reg to drop the rest of the way (*the less voltage a linear reg has to drop the less heat it produces). From 5V to 3.3V it is most likely going to be purely a linear regulator, with the CPU and screen drawing at least 1A of current and a 1.7V drop that would equate to 1.7W of heat produced, not much, but enough that if you were to put your finger on the bare regulator chip it would come away red, hold it there long enough and it would be somewhat like those competitions kids have over who can keep their hand on the hot radiator longest That is the main reason they will get hot.
The batteries in these devices are usually 3.7V, that would need a separate regulator from above, and another regulator would still be needed to go from 3.7 > 3.3. 3.7>3.3 would not get so warm. 5>3.7 would still be warm as above.
Never fully drain a LiPo. Gets too low and you damage the cell ir-repairably. When the device claims it is at 0% charge and shuts off is usually closer to 10-20% charge. But that is still considered too low by some people. General advice if you want to prolong the lifetime of your battery is to turn the device off and charge it when it reports somewhere around 5-10% charge.
Batteries do get warm while charging. But my bet is that the voltage regulators would be far more significant heat producers.

agrabren said:
Like most Android devices, the device goes to "sleep". Unless you power it off, it still handles notifications, and it still talks on WiFi. But it should consume very little power.
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good to know. :good: i didnt think closing the lid was the same as pushing the power button on my phone to turn the screen off.
but the OP's problems still might be "sleep" related.
prime example my SGS3 batt life started to tank after the 1st VZW JB update. it took twice as long to charge & would never "sleep" (cuz of the OS not a app) but since the Tegra 4 is a much higher profile chip it could suck a bit more juice if its not being aloud to fully sleep, for whatever reason.
like you said tho, looking at the battery stats could easily tell us if this is the issue.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
Modern devices use LiPi or Li-ion batteries, these explode when overcharged (seriously, youtube search overcharge lipo). As a result all devices sold with this kind of battery have charge monitoring tools and will disconnect the battery from the charging circuit when full, also they should then run purely from the mains power when the battery is full rather than running on the battery again (they don't like the repeat connect/disconnect effect that would lead to). End result, can't overcharge it.
The heat on mains power tends to be from the voltage regulator. These devices don't run on 5V power like comes from the charger. They tend to use a combo of switch mode and linear regulators to drop the 5V to 3.3V for the CPU and peripherals (3.3 is most common at any rate). Linear regulators in particular get quite warm. Switch mode regulators don't get so warm but don't give a clean output the CPU will run nicely on, they have the odd drop or spike which would either reset or fry the CPU, so generally what happens is the switch mode reg drops a large chunk of the voltage and then feeds it into a linear reg to drop the rest of the way (*the less voltage a linear reg has to drop the less heat it produces). From 5V to 3.3V it is most likely going to be purely a linear regulator, with the CPU and screen drawing at least 1A of current and a 1.7V drop that would equate to 1.7W of heat produced, not much, but enough that if you were to put your finger on the bare regulator chip it would come away red, hold it there long enough and it would be somewhat like those competitions kids have over who can keep their hand on the hot radiator longest That is the main reason they will get hot.
The batteries in these devices are usually 3.7V, that would need a separate regulator from above, and another regulator would still be needed to go from 3.7 > 3.3. 3.7>3.3 would not get so warm. 5>3.7 would still be warm as above.
Never fully drain a LiPo. Gets too low and you damage the cell ir-repairably. When the device claims it is at 0% charge and shuts off is usually closer to 10-20% charge. But that is still considered too low by some people. General advice if you want to prolong the lifetime of your battery is to turn the device off and charge it when it reports somewhere around 5-10% charge.
Batteries do get warm while charging. But my bet is that the voltage regulators would be far more significant heat producers.
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yes while all this your saying is true i still wont risk it. i say this from experience had a note 10.1 and would leave it over night charging and sure enough it ended up screwing up. might of been there was something wrong with the device itself but still. good post on your behalf though :laugh:
but still im paranoid and prefer to just disconnect once its charge it wont hurt

elitecmdr666 said:
yes while all this your saying is true i still wont risk it. i say this from experience had a note 10.1 and would leave it over night charging and sure enough it ended up screwing up. might of been there was something wrong with the device itself but still. good post on your behalf though :laugh:
but still im paranoid and prefer to just disconnect once its charge it wont hurt
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I tend to go into way too much detail sometimes :/
Disconnecting can't harm it at least if that's what you prefer.
As for info source. Quite into electronics and robotics, intact the shield would make a good controller for robotics purposes

well i did my second charge last night. and this time much faster, about 5 hours to 100 percent. guess i dont have a problem after all. dont know what happen the first time.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
I tend to go into way too much detail sometimes :/
Disconnecting can't harm it at least if that's what you prefer.
As for info source. Quite into electronics and robotics, intact the shield would make a good controller for robotics purposes
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no worries lol i tend to get spaced out at times and go into details does not hurt to enlighten people :good:

Charging speed seems slow than expected on Pixel 2

Hi all! My Pixel 2 charges fast(~2700mA) up to first ~20%, then the current changes to 1370mA till almost to 90%, then slows a bit till the 100%. I have used Ampere to check the charging speed. I expected the phone to charge to at least 50% at a fast rate, then slow down a bit.
I recently acquired the device and it had May patch, but then after setting the device up, it prompted me for June patch and I installed it. Don't know if the new update could be the problem.

The phone will take battery temperature into account as well. Do you have a way to monitor that and correlate it with where the current switch points are?
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The phone will take battery temperature into account as well. Do you have a way to monitor that and correlate it with where the current switch points are?
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I charge my phone early in the morning where it was not used all night. No battery drain apps at all. It just charges from almost 0 to 20 percent really fast, but then slows to a steady 1370 mA.

What I mean is ... Try charging from a different start point.
By the time it's charged at 2.7 amps to go from 0 to 20 it might be getting warm. You might try charging when it's at 20 and cool and see what happens. Or stop at 20 and let it cool down before going any further and see what happens.
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What I mean is ... Try charging from a different start point.
By the time it's charged at 2.7 amps to go from 0 to 20 it might be getting warm. You might try charging when it's at 20 and cool and see what happens. Or stop at 20 and let it cool down before going any further and see what happens.
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Oh, I see now. Good point. Will try it!

Charkatak said:
Oh, I see now. Good point. Will try it!
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DurhamHusker said:
What I mean is ... Try charging from a different start point.
By the time it's charged at 2.7 amps to go from 0 to 20 it might be getting warm. You might try charging when it's at 20 and cool and see what happens. Or stop at 20 and let it cool down before going any further and see what happens.
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So I did some testing and here is what I see:
Phone starts to charge at a good 2700mA rate for ~ a minute, then slows down to 1370mA. It doesn't really matter if phone has 5% of battery before I start charging or 20% or 40%, the charging pattern is the same. At start the battery temperature is ~32 C and when it charges at 2700 for that first minute or so, the temp rises to ~36 C, then phone drops the charging rate to 1370. Phone is pretty much room temperature and not hot or anything like that. I have 2 Google chargers; One is from original Pixel and the other is from Pixel 2 box. Both do the same thing and charge at the same rate.
There are no abnormal app activity or any battery drain. I am using Ampere app to check mA. Did anyone come across this?

It appears you've discovered the magic battery temperature cutoff that HTC has selected for the Pixel 2 ... and that seems to be around 35 or 36 degrees.
For every 10 C rise in temperature, battery degradation doubles by almost every measurable metric. It doesn't surprise me that at around 35 C your phone appears to limit the charge current ... seemingly to avoid making the battery any hotter. Taking the temperature higher for the charge cycle (or for any other reason) will degrade the battery over time. Deep discharges toward zero also reduce the life of a battery. (Keeping it at 50% or higher is recommended for lithium-ion rechargeable batteries.)
If you can cool the phone down to 25 C before starting to charge, I'd be willing to bet that it will charge at the higher rate for longer. Maybe put a small fan on the phone or set it in front of an A/C vent while it charges and see what happens then.

DurhamHusker said:
It appears you've discovered the magic battery temperature cutoff that HTC has selected for the Pixel 2 ... and that seems to be around 35 or 36 degrees.
For every 10 C rise in temperature, battery degradation doubles by almost every measurable metric. It doesn't surprise me that at around 35 C your phone appears to limit the charge current ... seemingly to avoid making the battery any hotter. Taking the temperature higher for the charge cycle (or for any other reason) will degrade the battery over time. Deep discharges toward zero also reduce the life of a battery. (Keeping it at 50% or higher is recommended for lithium-ion rechargeable batteries.)
If you can cool the phone down to 25 C before starting to charge, I'd be willing to bet that it will charge at the higher rate for longer. Maybe put a small fan on the phone or set it in front of an A/C vent while it charges and see what happens then.
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That is interesting as I have had different phones which got even warmer than Pixel 2, but still charged at a good rate. I do know that after 80% of charge of so, the charge rate does go down, which isn't a surprise to me. I just picked up my phone, after it was sitting idle for few hours and see that battery/phone temp is 25 C. I will make sure to start charging phone at a low temperature and see if it will keep the fast charge rate longer.
What you mentioned about the "keeping battery at 50% or so). Did you mean that when battery goes down to 50 or so %, charge it? I usually run battery until about 30 or so % before charging it.

Charkatak said:
That is interesting as I have had different phones which got even warmer than Pixel 2, but still charged at a good rate. I do know that after 80% of charge of so, the charge rate does go down, which isn't a surprise to me. I just picked up my phone, after it was sitting idle for few hours and see that battery/phone temp is 25 C. I will make sure to start charging phone at a low temperature and see if it will keep the fast charge rate longer.
What you mentioned about the "keeping battery at 50% or so). Did you mean that when battery goes down to 50 or so %, charge it? I usually run battery until about 30 or so % before charging it.
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Yes, charging it when it gets to around 50%, based on a number of studies, seems to be the way to go.
Deep discharges and hot temperatures are enemies of battery life for today's lithium-ion cells.

DurhamHusker said:
Yes, charging it when it gets to around 50%, based on a number of studies, seems to be the way to go.
Deep discharges and hot temperatures are enemies of battery life for today's lithium-ion cells.
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I have tried just now to start charging the phone when it is 23 C, but still get the same result. Could it be the June security patch?
Update: So the phone charged by rate of 1370mA from 22% to 100% in 1h 25m. So going from 0 to 100% should take ~1h 45m? Can anyone confirm how long it takes to charge Pixel 2 using original charger?

DurhamHusker said:
Yes, charging it when it gets to around 50%, based on a number of studies, seems to be the way to go.
Deep discharges and hot temperatures are enemies of battery life for today's lithium-ion cells.
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Go a reference to these studies?
This app vendor has seen a lot and isn't convinced discharging to low values has much material effect on battery service life. Charging to high levels does, however. Interesting read I think... with commentry on the often quoted Battery University pages. I agree that heat isn't good whatever.
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/210224725-Charging-research-and-methodology
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/212988989-About-the-Battery-University-article

WibblyW said:
Go a reference to these studies?
This app vendor has seen a lot and isn't convinced discharging to low values has much material effect on battery service life. Charging to high levels does, however. Interesting read I think... with commentry on the often quoted Battery University pages. I agree that heat isn't good whatever.
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/210224725-Charging-research-and-methodology
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/212988989-About-the-Battery-University-article
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I can't point to anything peer reviewed or funded by the NSF ... so maybe 'studies' is the wrong word.
I've seen the Battery University articles and they've seemed believable to me. It's possible they're flawed. I've also seen articles from these guys - https://www.mpoweruk.com/life.htm ... and other tech writers who corroborate such claims. I've also seen the claims about the high level charging you're pointing to and some who suggest you should keep your battery between 50% and 85% all the time to get the most out of it.

Charging speed

To power up, you consume Red Bull. But your phone just needs its adaptive fast charger. Rate this thread to express how quickly the OnePlus 6T can charge. A higher rating indicates that it charges extremely fast.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

dash charge (now called fast charge) is crazy fast!!

Still, I would only recommend using that feature if there is a real benefit - i.e. time is of the essence. The battery will age quicker being dash charged all the time.

saw 60 percent at 35 minutes and 38 seconds, which is more or less in line with what OnePlus claims

Incredibly fast compared to my old Honor 8. One example I have is the first charge I did 5 days ago when I had bought it at a pop-up event here in Sweden. I had used it for about 1-2 hours with the screen on when I was setting it up and trying out the phone. Then when I plugged it in, it went from 36% to 75% in just 24 minutes. That's insanely fast
I've also noticed that just like OnePlus claims, the phone basically charges at the same speed with the screen on as if I would have had the screen off.

Bäcker said:
Still, I would only recommend using that feature if there is a real benefit - i.e. time is of the essence. The battery will age quicker being dash charged all the time.
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Can you provide any factual basis for this statement? Research or articles from established professionals in the field of battery charging?
Everything I've read from reliable sources state that the biggest impact on battery longevity is temperature. Repeated heating (or extreme cooling for that matter) will accelerate the "aging" process, as you put it. OnePlus has actually solved this problem by offloading the energy conversion that causes heat to the power brick, leaving the phone cool during charging (pretty ingenious). I've also read that not always charging the battery fully to 100% can prolong longevity, which is why you get charging strategies on laptops that will stop charging at 80% or 60% if you leave your laptop plugged in 24/7.
Point being, the ONLY way to slowly charge this device would be to use a third party charger and/or cable.
The reason I ask this, is that the manufacturer, OnePlus, clearly states in their documentation that comes with the phone or dash chargers to ONLY use the charger and cable that came with the phone.
Please charge the OnePlus Dash device only with the official Dash Power Adapter and Dash Type-C Cable. Using unauthorized adapter can be dangerous and may void your warranty.
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I'm not completely opposed to the idea that this could just be a marketing ploy to get you to buy their own adapter and accessories, but again just want to know if there's any substantial proof that fast charging, by itself, degrades the battery faster, of if it's just a case of incorrect tribal knowledge.
Thanks.

You are correct that the rate of charge and discharge alone are not the only deciding factors on lipo life and certainly not the most decisive ones.
Excessive heat, especially on high charge levels, is the biggest factor for increased aging.
As you mentioned extreme charging levels (completely empty or full) will also contribute to faster aging, albeit the impact is not that extreme for these low current-draw Lipos used in our phones (as opposed to high-drain Lipos for instance).
Discharge and Charge at high rates will also contribute to the speed of aging, but not as much as heat.
When a lipo spends most of its time one medium charging levels at moderate temperatures and is only charged and discharged with low rates on it will have the longest service life.
This is common for all Lipos, just how much a low or high rate is for that particular battery differs (low drain, high capacity VS high drain, low capacity cell)
With Lipos everything is a compromise. Max and min voltages, max temperatures, max draw are values the manufacturer has chosen as the best compromise to reach the intended MTBF. All these numbers are not physical absolute barriers.

Charges 0-100% in 1hr 30 mins

Second place after SuperCharge (even first gen) from Huawei. Much better than QC 3.0

Klanac89 said:
Second place after SuperCharge (even first gen) from Huawei. Much better than QC 3.0
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Nope. Super VOOC (OPPO) is hands down the fastest!

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Nope. Super VOOC (OPPO) is hands down the fastest!
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First of all, how many device support Super VOOC? How many device you can buy outside China with VOOC?
Super VOOC is 50W, the same like Huaweis SuperCharge 2.
Did you test SuperCharge 2 or VOOC?

My OP6T charges up to 100% in 1hr 22mins, so I don't charge overnight anymore. Go to sleep on 40% and charge in the morning

The combo of battery life and crazy fast charging is for the first time breaking me of the "plug it in overnight" habit that I have had since my first cell phone over a decade ago. I can keep my charger at my desk, plug it in for half an hour, and be at 100% with almost no chance of running out before the next morning. That means fewer vampire chargers around the house wasting power, and fewer charge cycles lost leaving the phone plugged in long after it's full. I wish I had swapped to OnePlus sooner - I think I have finally found a phone maker to call my favorite.

The charging Speed with "Dash charge" is amazing.
Within few minutes the battery is from 0% to over 50%!
Generelly I can only say: Amazing battery life. The best I ever had with a phone (except Nokia 3310).

I started to charge when the battery was 5%. It took around 1 hour 20 mins. I can say this to be quite faster when compared to the devices I have used previously, that too when the size of the battery is much bigger than the previous phones.

Illrigger said:
The combo of battery life and crazy fast charging is for the first time breaking me of the "plug it in overnight" habit that I have had since my first cell phone over a decade ago. I can keep my charger at my desk, plug it in for half an hour, and be at 100% with almost no chance of running out before the next morning. That means fewer vampire chargers around the house wasting power, and fewer charge cycles lost leaving the phone plugged in long after it's full. I wish I had swapped to OnePlus sooner - I think I have finally found a phone maker to call my favorite.
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The incredibly fast charging, coupled with the insane battery life (especially in dark mode) has made me totally OK with no wireless charging. I used to leave my phone on the charging pad at my desk most of the day, and on my nightstand charging pad overnight. I never had to worry about charging at all and plugged in maybe 20 times max over the last two years with my Note5. I said I'd never buy a phone without wireless charging, but the $350 or so I got for my Note5 exchange for this phone was just too tempting to overlook, particularly if it set up my family for the next two to three years (our current phones didn't have band 71 and Samsung said no more security updates). The only thing I was really worried about was wireless charging and whether or not the battery life and dash charging would be enough for me to overcome range anxiety.
It has.

So I'm thinking of keeping my dash charger at home ,and my 30w aukey charger at work ,I take it this will be ok to use ?

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Nope. Super VOOC (OPPO) is hands down the fastest!
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mate 20 pro, charges 4200 mAh in 1 hour.

Shady282 said:
mate 20 pro, charges 4200 mAh in 1 hour.
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Oppo Find X (Lamborghini edition) charges 3300 mAh in 35 min...

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So I'm thinking of keeping my dash charger at home ,and my 30w aukey charger at work ,I take it this will be ok to use ?
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It should be. If you are starting from full in the morning I doubt you will even need the charger are work except for very rare instances. I have gotten 7 hours SOT that was mostly gaming on this thing, moderate use you can easily get 24 hours, light use around 48.

I have a question on how to slow charge Pixel 4a

Since you already know that Pixel 4a supports 18W charging through USB C-C using USB-PD. Is it possible to charge the device a bit more slowly to keep the battery cool and possibly increase its life span?
A simple Google search showed that by using USB A-C cable, it won't be doing USB-PD quick charging instead it will charge using USB-BC (Battery Charging, a legacy standard) which will limit the power at around 7W.
By attaching USB-C end of the quick switch adapter(OTG) that came with the device to power adapter and connecting its other end (USB-A) to the device itself by running a USB A-C cable in between. Will this make the device charge slowly? Can anyone test this?

To find out for sure how much current is being used to charge your phone, you should install an app like this:
Ampere - Apps on Google Play
Measure the charging and discharging current of your battery.
play.google.com

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To find out for sure how much current is being used to charge your phone, you should install an app like this:
Ampere - Apps on Google Play
Measure the charging and discharging current of your battery.
play.google.com
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question is on how to slow charge the device

Well, just get a 1amp charger or use a non-quick charge cable.
The problem is that you won't know if an amazon description for a cable is accurate or not.
So, the way to make sure it is charging slow, is to use the app I mentioned.

I charge my pixel 4a with a 350 mah charger (it is an old Motorola charger in micro usb, i just put à micro usb to usb c little gizmo).
It is around 1,5 w and charge my pixel 4a in around 10 hours , if the pixel is completly empty. You can also use a 5w charger with a usb a usb c câble, it will be faster but warmer

Any brick or cable that doesn't support that protocol or can't supply enough amps will cause the power controller to default to slow charging.
Most fast charging capable phones also have a software option to disable fast charging regardless of the brick/cable's rating.
The real trick is getting it to fast charge when you want it to

My goal was to charge my pixel 4a during the night with the slowest method to keep my battery as Healthy as possible. The 350mah just give me that. ( i keep my phone four to five years so i Try to take care of my battery)

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My goal was to charge my pixel 4a during the night with the slowest method to keep my battery as Healthy as possible. The 350mah just give me that. ( i keep my phone four to five years so i Try to take care of my battery)
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Don't let it drop below 40% or charge beyond 72% in that case.
At some point it's just easier to replace the battery though

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Don't let it drop below 40% or charge beyond 72% in that case.
At some point it's just easier to replace the battery though
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This seems more an urban legend this 40 72%, the charging processor take care of that For you.

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This seems more an urban legend this 40 72%, the charging processor take care of that For you.
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Li's prefer midrange usage with frequent partial charges. Cuts down the heat and the high cell voltage that degrades them faster. Degrades them only a fraction of a full charge cycle. Longer lifespan and less time charging for the same amount of mAh. Win-win.
Even today many confuse their requirements with NiCads Thinking they should fully charge/discharge them. Trying to convince some them otherwise is like talking an alcoholic out of drinking booze. "I've always done it that way..."

@blackhawk
but if someone who follows this 40-80 rule, how to reset battery stats?
Can it be done using ADB command?

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@blackhawk
but if someone who follows this 40-80 rule, how to reset battery stats?
Can it be done using ADB command?
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I really don't use those stats at all. More Google hype that never proved all that useful for me.
I use Galaxy Labs Battery Tracker, the history log* of Accubattery as well as karma Firewall logs to track usage.
Occasionally you may want to do a calibration too as the % accuracy will drift over time.
*as long as my usage stays at >10%@ hour SOT, I'm not very concerned

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I really don't use those stats at all. More Google hype that never proved all that useful for me.
I use Galaxy Labs Battery Tracker, the history log* of Accubattery as well as karma Firewall logs to track usage.
Occasionally you may want to do a calibration too as the % accuracy will drift over time.
*as long as my usage stays at >10%@ hour SOT, I'm not very concerned
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and by calibration, do you mean drain to 0 and charge to 100 every once in a while?

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and by calibration, do you mean drain to 0 and charge to 100 every once in a while?
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Yeah, which I don't like doing. If falls way out of calibration you'll think you're at 20% when in fact you're at 7% for example.
Many say to repeat the calibration cycle 2 or 3 times for it to take.
If the battery has failed this can be a dangerous procedure. How do I know? Just had a battery failure but because of the case didn't see the back cover bulging. All the while I was happily torturing the bad cell for over a month begging it to do its worse
I was fortunate it didn't damage the display of my Note 10+ or worse.
If you encounter erratic fast charging, reduced battery capacity always suspect a battery failure and look for the telltale back cover bulge. These bag Li's can fail at any time especially as they get older.

BTW, people who are reading this, you can charge your 4a at 7.5W (5V*1.5A) using OTG adapter plugged into the charger and a USB A-C cable. The temp. increase of battery is way less than full fast charge of 18W.

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BTW, people who are reading this, you can charge your 4a at 7.5W (5V*1.5A) using OTG adapter plugged into the charger and a USB A-C cable. The temp. increase of battery is way less than full fast charge of 18W.
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Also bare in mind that even when slow charging you never want the Li cell temp below 72°F, but 82F is a better bottom threshold temperature.
Li plating* can result from cold or hot (>100F) charging regardless of charging rate.
NEVER EVER attempt to charge an Li in near freezing temperatures*
*this can lead to a thermal runaway event

blackhawk said:
Also bare in mind that even when slow charging you never want the Li cell temp below 72°F, but 82F is a better bottom threshold temperature.
Li plating* can result from cold or hot (>100F) charging regardless of charging rate.
NEVER EVER attempt to charge an Li in near freezing temperatures*
*this can lead to a thermal runaway event
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Billions of Li devices in service around the globe. If this was a 'thing' manufactures would prevent charging at low temps. Not debating the wisdom or detremental effects on longevity of charging at low/high temps. No need to season the spew with faux drama.

DB126 said:
Billions of Li devices in service around the globe. If this was a 'thing' manufactures would prevent charging at low temps. Not debating the wisdom or detremental effects on longevity of charging at low/high temps. No need to season the spew with faux drama.
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Do what you want... and you're own research*.
You offer zero good advice and a half mass flame attempt.
Lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way.
*https://www.sciencedirect.com/scien...of the internal,also affect the battery power.
Temperatures I suggested are for optimum performance/longevity with minimum chance of Li plating from multiple sources. They are very conservative.
I just had a battery failure on my Note 10+ that started by slow charging it to 100% at about 45-50°F. Boom, just like that. Took over a month to realize what had happened but that's what started the whole mess. I was fortunate the swollen battery didn't damage my display.

Oy vey - self-designated expert in a box with a short fuse. Happy Mother's day, champ.

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Oy vey - self-designated expert in a box with a short fuse. Happy Mother's day, champ.
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WYSIWYU... call it like I see it.
Mum's been dead for decades.
Hope your's is not... spend some time with her.
You only get one.