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Has anyone noticed variations in how strong the vibration is across the MT4G? I originally ordered two on a family plan and have exchanged one of these a few times. I noticed that the one original one that I've kept (a plum one) has a nice strong (and loud) vibration, while the few black ones I have had through exchanges have all had a relatively weak vibration (some more weak than others - and all weaker than the plum). Any other thoughts or experiences with this?
I have the white version. I remember first turning on the phone and thinking "HOLY CRAP, THE VIBRATION ON THIS IS A MONSTER". Definitely the strongest vibration I've seen in any phone I've ever owned. I found it to be unusual at first, but I've gotten used to it.
I have a white one with the new screen and it the vibrate is alot louder than my g2. I love it!
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I got a black one and it has strong vibration. Kinda wish you could adjust the intensity, like you can on the Galaxy S. These have a much better screen than those, though...
Comparing my black model to my friend's plum model, I can definitely say the plum has a much stronger vibration effect. That doesn't matter to me though, since I keep all vibrating functions disabled.
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Comparing my black model to my friend's plum model, I can definitely say the plum has a much stronger vibration effect. That doesn't matter to me though, since I keep all vibrating functions disabled.
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Agreed. I find vibration alerts to be annoying. The first thing I do after flashing a new rom is disable the vibration alerts.
Mine seems to be just perfect for me, not too strong but enough to alert me. I would like to compare them to other MT4Gs just for the sake of knowing where mine stands though.
Just received my replacement with the "superior" screen, and yeah, the vibration is noticeably weaker on the newer phone. Not to say that it's necessarily "bad", just that my original phone had ridiculously strong vibration.
Anyway, obviously not a deal breaker, and having the better display is way, way more important. Loving this phone again.
My vibration is fine. Definitely feels more natural than the Vibrants vibration.
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Hi all,
I've been bummed by the atrocious vibration function of this otherwise fine phone. In my digging, I've discovered that the vibration changes intensity while it's on. It starts high pitched but very quickly (500ms) drops down in intensity and vibration. Also, it seems the motor can't stop quickly and you can hear the phone winding down after each impulse.
So I went to the Verizon store to look at possibly getting me a MOTO phone, and decided to test the vibration on a bunch of the display phones. Turns out, the phone sounded identical to the HTC One they had on display.
But more importantly, they had an LG G2 there and it sounded perfect (much like the S3/S4 or Moto phones). Constant pitch with negligible wind down times.
Long story short, I ordered the LG G2 vibration motor from ebay and I'll be trying to jam it in the back cover in a day or two. I'll keep you posted.
Wish me luck!
So motor came today. It is almost identical - the body is about 1mm thicker but that's it. You can feel it through the back of the phone and I think there is a rubber o-ring on the phone body that can be removed to make it fit a little better.
Unfortunately, the LG G2 motor did not work.
What I think is going on is that the N5 is a standard off-center motor. It can be powered (i did) with 2.5v and will vibrate but it will produce quite an inertial vibration so that you can hear the motor winding up/down. It is also more power hungry.
the LG G2 (and other phones) uses same sized PWM motor. That allows for nearly inertia-free vibration so that the impulses can be short and precise. It is also more power friendly since it can produce lower/higher intensity vibration without need for a regulator circuit.
so there is that. While physically the part is drop-in(-ish), it won't power at all since the N5 outputs standard, non PWM 2V to it.
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So motor came today. It is almost identical - the body is about 1mm thicker but that's it. You can feel it through the back of the phone and I think there is a rubber o-ring on the phone body that can be removed to make it fit a little better.
Unfortunately, the LG G2 motor did not work.
What I think is going on is that the N5 is a standard off-center motor. It can be powered (i did) with 2.5v and will vibrate but it will produce quite an inertial vibration so that you can hear the motor winding up/down. It is also more power hungry.
the LG G2 (and other phones) uses same sized PWM motor. That allows for nearly inertia-free vibration so that the impulses can be short and precise. It is also more power friendly since it can produce lower/higher intensity vibration without need for a regulator circuit.
so there is that. While physically the part is drop-in(-ish), it won't power at all since the N5 outputs standard, non PWM 2V to it.
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If this is a standard DC-Motor (two contacts: V, GND), it should actually work, as long as the required volage is the same. The PWM just "emulates" an analoge signal using digital outpout.
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In my limited understanding, it doesn't matter how the pulse averages out. The pwm type motors also have 2 contacts, but they expect a pulse signal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servo_control. It is true that with PWM signal you can emulate analog for inert consumers (e.g. incandescent light or standard motor) and control their intensity. But for PWM motors what matters is the pulse width not the averaged voltage.
BTW, I may be completely wrong here. This was all just a guess of mine since the motor sounded like a servo when DC was applied to it(very short buzz). I haven't actually found any confirmation that the LGG2 motor is in fact a pwm motor. I guess I could try to hook it up to an adruino or something to confirm...
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In my limited understanding, it doesn't matter how the pulse averages out. The pwm type motors also have 2 contacts, but they expect a pulse signal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servo_control. It is true that with PWM signal you can emulate analog for inert consumers (e.g. incandescent light or standard motor) and control their intensity. But for PWM motors what matters is the pulse width not the averaged voltage.
BTW, I may be completely wrong here. This was all just a guess of mine since the motor sounded like a servo when DC was applied to it(very short buzz). I haven't actually found any confirmation that the LGG2 motor is in fact a pwm motor. I guess I could try to hook it up to an adruino or something to confirm...
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I'm pretty sure this isn't a servo, as servos have three inputs. GND,V and SIGNAL. Have you tried hooking it to a power supply or battery? You could also probe the output of the N5 with an oscilloscope if you have access to one. I'd love to do that, but I don't have my Nexus yet.
EDIT: A buzz sounds more like insufficient voltage to me.
Question, where exactly is the vibration motor located in the Nexus 5? Is it easy to remove and replace?
I got a 16gb with a good motor and just got a 32gb with a weak motor today. (returning the 16gb). But before I return, was considering doing a transplant... simple to do? Thanks.
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Question, where exactly is the vibration motor located in the Nexus 5? Is it easy to remove and replace?
I got a 16gb with a good motor and just got a 32gb with a weak motor today. (returning the 16gb). But before I return, was considering doing a transplant... simple to do? Thanks.
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The motor is attached with a double sticky tape to the backplate. Its round and flat, the size of a dime but thicker.
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I'm pretty sure this isn't a servo, as servos have three inputs. GND,V and SIGNAL. Have you tried hooking it to a power supply or battery? You could also probe the output of the N5 with an oscilloscope if you have access to one. I'd love to do that, but I don't have my Nexus yet.
EDIT: A buzz sounds more like insufficient voltage to me.
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That's what I've seen as well. I wasn't sure how the thing is supposed to be powered (perhaps the casing could be GND). In any case, I tried 3V and 6V (2 or 4 AA batteries in series). I was able to power the N5 motor just fine with either 3 or 6v (the phone outputs 2V as measured with multimeter at the contacts). The G2 motor did not spin though - it just gave a very short buzz.
I remember i played with a servo on an arduino-type board and the servo gave a short buzz when DC was applied on it (don't remember which contacts)
Perhaps the answer is simpler - the G2 motor I just received could be defective...
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That's what I've seen as well. I wasn't sure how the thing is supposed to be powered (perhaps the casing could be GND). In any case, I tried 3V and 6V (2 or 4 AA batteries in series). I was able to power the N5 motor just fine with either 3 or 6v (the phone outputs 2V as measured with multimeter at the contacts). The G2 motor did not spin though - it just gave a very short buzz.
I remember i played with a servo on an arduino-type board and the servo gave a short buzz when DC was applied on it (don't remember which contacts)
Perhaps the answer is simpler - the G2 motor I just received could be defective...
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I think chances are high that it really is defect. As you can see in the picture below, there are only two contacts and nothing else.
Beside that, I can't think of any reason for choosing a servo over a DC motor as vibrator. Servos give you position control and stuff, but all you need for vibration is a fast spinning motor with controllable speed.
So I opened up my 16gb with the good motor (which I planned on returning) and swapped it out with my new 32gb that had the weak motor. It was an improvement, but still not as solid as it was in the 16gb. Leads me to believe the problem is more than just a bad motor and perhaps something on the board itself.
BTW, in the process of opening up the phone, I managed to scrape up the edges of the phone - even when using a plastic pry tool. The plastic on the back cover is pretty soft and dents/scrapes easily. So I am definitely RMA'ing this back to Google. Grrrrr....
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So I opened up my 16gb with the good motor (which I planned on returning) and swapped it out with my new 32gb that had the weak motor. It was an improvement, but still not as solid as it was in the 16gb. Leads me to believe the problem is more than just a bad motor and perhaps something on the board itself.
BTW, in the process of opening up the phone, I managed to scrape up the edges of the phone - even when using a plastic pry tool. The plastic on the back cover is pretty soft and dents/scrapes easily. So I am definitely RMA'ing this back to Google. Grrrrr....
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You're going to rma a device you hosed up? Shame on you. :thumbdown:
I just dug out my old Galaxy S2. Low and behold, it has the same type motor inside as the N5 though with different connectors. I'm going to solder in new contacts and try it in the N5 see how it does.
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You're going to rma a device you hosed up? Shame on you. :thumbdown:
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It was already hosed - the vibration motor was weak and noisy. I had two side by side and the newer one definitely has a problem. I was already going to RMA, but tried first to fix it myself and save everyone the hassle. That didn't work out, so back to my original plan of doing the RMA. Shame on Google.
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It was already hosed - the vibration motor was weak and noisy. I had two side by side and the newer one definitely has a problem. I was already going to RMA, but tried first to fix it myself and save everyone the hassle. That didn't work out, so back to my original plan of doing the RMA. Shame on Google.
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I gotta say I completely agree with the last sentiment. I feel like I got taken for $450 with this phone. It is infuriating that they would release it with such cheap vibrator and cheap speakerphone making these two functions borderline unusable.
Unfortunately, i don't see any better phone on the market today with a ~5" screen. MotoX comes close but has terrible camera which to me is important. I also went to the i-store to check out the dark side again(twice). Wasn't able to convince myself it is better than the N5 though
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I gotta say I completely agree with the last sentiment. I feel like I got taken for $450 with this phone. It is infuriating that they would release it with such cheap vibrator and cheap speakerphone making these two functions borderline unusable.
Unfortunately, i don't see any better phone on the market today with a ~5" screen. MotoX comes close but has terrible camera which to me is important. I also went to the i-store to check out the dark side again(twice). Wasn't able to convince myself it is better than the N5 though
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This may make the Moto X more appealing for you... They're having a $150 off sale on non-contract phones on Cyber Monday
http://www.motorola.com/us/motorola...ce=gplus&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=cmmotox
I actually just got one last week, perfect out of the box, no defects. I bought from Amazon, so gonna see if they'll price match, if not, will return and buy from Motorola direct on Monday.
The Moto X is good, but I liked the Nexus 5 better because of the screen and it's thinner. Then again, the active notifications on the Moto X are awesome. If the 3rd Nexus 5 I get still has issues, I'll probably stick with the Moto X then.
This thread is just to determine if it's more common for the Moto G to have the cheap-sounding rattle for a vibration (especially noticeable when vibrate-on-touch is enabled) haptic feedback is on), or if that is a less common but not rare exception. Sound off on how your haptic feedback sounds. Recordings welcome!
Mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT8ehijOn_g
(EDIT) I've read elsewhere of someone saying their Moto X all of a sudden started sounding like this rather than a smooth, quiet vibration. Almost as if this is a result of a poorly attached vibration motor or one that has become slightly detached.
My vibration sounds nothing like that. Mine vibrates nicely, a lot better than the other phone's I've had.
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My vibration sounds nothing like that. Mine vibrates nicely, a lot better than the other phone's I've had.
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Is yours the US verison? Mine is US 16gb
Hi. I have the US version and i have this issue !
Yeah that doesn't sound normal.
Mines sounds cheap but not like a rattle.
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Mine rattles slightly. But it seems to only be for short vibrations like haptic feedback on the keyboard. Longer vibrations like for notifications, it sounds completely normal. The biggest issue I'm having with the G is some light bleed on the LCD screen. But even that is barely noticeable.
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Yeah that doesn't sound normal.
Mines sounds cheap but not like a rattle.
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That recording was with the microphone right up against the phone.I made a new recording (I've replaced the original with it) that is maybe a better representation, from a couple inches away instead. It's just so loud. I guess you get what you pay for, and that's one of the cheap components. Although I've read elsewhere of someone saying their Moto X all of a sudden started sounding like this rather than a smooth, quiet vibration. Almost as if this is a result of a poorly attached vibration motor or one that has become slightly detached.
Mine is ok. I have the Brazil version 16G (dual sim).
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That recording was with the microphone right up against the phone.I made a new recording (I've replaced the original with it) that is maybe a better representation, from a couple inches away instead. It's just so loud. I guess you get what you pay for, and that's one of the cheap components. Although I've read elsewhere of someone saying their Moto X all of a sudden started sounding like this rather than a smooth, quiet vibration. Almost as if this is a result of a poorly attached vibration motor or one that has become slightly detached.
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I took a phone apart (and then returned it's sorry self to Tesco lol)...
The vibration motor is not loose to the board - it is soldered firmly.
The weight is fixed to the shaft of the motor correctly. I attached bits of blutack to the weight - no difference.
The shaft of the motor to which the weight is attached can move up / down a little.
The motor is located right next to the camera, which has moving parts in it (you can hear this on exiting a camera app - an audible click). I wonder if the motor is making something in the camera rattle.
The rattle still happens with the back of the phone and PCB cover removed - so it is something contained in the front part of the phone. To me it sounds more like the vibrate is making the earpiece speaker click.
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I took a phone apart (and then returned it's sorry self to Tesco lol)...
The vibration motor is not loose to the board - it is soldered firmly.
The weight is fixed to the shaft of the motor correctly. I attached bits of blutack to the weight - no difference.
The shaft of the motor to which the weight is attached can move up / down a little.
The motor is located right next to the camera, which has moving parts in it (you can hear this on exiting a camera app - an audible click). I wonder if the motor is making something in the camera rattle.
The rattle still happens with the back of the phone and PCB cover removed - so it is something contained in the front part of the phone. To me it sounds more like the vibrate is making the earpiece speaker click.
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Nicely done! I think you've narrowed it down as far as possible. The answer then is that on at least most devices (since some owners say theirs is perfectly quiet) either the vibration motor is just of poor, toy quality, or there are loose somethings in the camera or elsewhere that get rattled. Thanks for figuring out that it's not the motor itself.
Yea just checked my 16gb us vibrates just fine.
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903tex said:
Yea just checked my 16gb us vibrates just fine.
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I have the same problem. I've had a previous moto g that had a more solid vibration tone, but on the down side the back case was a bit loose on the corner right above the buttons making an annoying noise when pressed. Anyway i sold that one because it was the 8gb version and got a new one with 16gb from amazon.uk. Everything is fine with it with this little exception which i noticed as soon as i was setting it up.
Thing is, is it worth it to bother and try speak with amazon to try and get a new one? It seems likes it's a probability game and chances are there is always gonna be some small detail that won't be perfect. Do you think amazon will even swap it considering the type of fault?
Count me as one of the people with a rattling Moto X. Using the 16GB AT&T version and the rattle is fairly annoying for me. Perhaps I'll open it up this weekend and see if we can locate the problem spot...
I have been experiencing exactly same issue with newly delivered moto g from UK. I feel like it is about something shaking inside the camera. But I'm still not brave enough to tear that down and find what is wrong
Ok, so i asked amazon for a replacement giving this problem as a reason and they sent it right away, no questions asked! The new one arrived a few days later, i packed the old one in the same box and left it at the local post office free of charge.
The new one does not have the vibration problem, so that i got rid of! The buttons of the old one were a bit better though. The volume on this is a bit looser but i can live with that.
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I was able to get inside of the phone (which was actually a pretty simple task). And it is clear that this rattle comes out from bad vibration module. There is nothing inside of the phone what is badly fixed or shaky -- the phone is rock solid, The problem looks to be just in that bad vibration rotor.
I've also asked Moto support about any advise and they said to send phone to them. So i really think that there is no other way than just replace this little noisy thing inside of your phone.
Mine sounds fine
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I have the 16 GB US version and mine is pretty noisy. Doesnt bother me too much and I already rooted so I probably won't be asking for a new one.
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LudicrousPeed said:
This thread is just to determine if it's more common for the Moto G to have the cheap-sounding rattle for a vibration (especially noticeable when vibrate-on-touch is enabled) haptic feedback is on), or if that is a less common but not rare exception. Sound off on how your haptic feedback sounds. Recordings welcome!
(EDIT) I've read elsewhere of someone saying their Moto X all of a sudden started sounding like this rather than a smooth, quiet vibration. Almost as if this is a result of a poorly attached vibration motor or one that has become slightly detached.
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I think the problem is with the buttons man. The power button is somewhat lose on my phone. That should be causing the rattling noise. Check the power button.
Anyone else feels the vibration motor is still very weak compared to other phones? Oneplus promised a motor that's 200% stronger than 6T but I still can't feel any vibrations when I get notifications. Even after setting the vibraton intensity to maximum.
trabando said:
Anyone else feels the vibration motor is still very weak compared to other phones? Oneplus promised a motor that's 200% stronger than 6T but I still can't feel any vibrations when I get notifications. Even after setting the vibraton intensity to maximum.
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Thats weird ,as i found the vibration to be same as pixel 3 xl if not stronger and is definitely more stronger than 6t.
Its so weak it looses its essence. thumbs down for that
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Anyone else feels the vibration motor is still very weak compared to other phones? Oneplus promised a motor that's 200% stronger than 6T but I still can't feel any vibrations when I get notifications. Even after setting the vibraton intensity to maximum.
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Agreed! Coming from the 6 to the 7 Pro I was really anticipating better vibrations...no go.
Why are these simple things so hard to accomplish? Is it that some of the motors are from a bad batch? Should they not all have the same specs? Is it something with the amount of power the motor is receiving? I also have mine on the strongest setting and it is useless...still cannot feel it in my pocket at all. :crying:
Weak? Mines too strong, had to lower it.
Agreed, Vibration strength is weak
I changed the setting to maximum as well, and still it is maybe half the strength of what my old GS8+ is capable of. If anyone knows of a way to improve the vibration feature on the OP7pro without disassembling the phone, the information would be appreciated. TIA
So probably few of you already know that S22U is using a x axis motor instead of z-axis. This new motor is used to enhance the haptic feedback, however this has reduced the vibration intensity on the device. I got the device last day and was driving with device in my pocket on vibration mode. I missed notifications and calls for an urgent situation as the vibration was so soft and i didn't noticed it. Luckily i had old s8+ on me where i got notified.
My situation doesn't allow me to have a ringer on all the time. I am now thinking of returning the device just because of this. I really loved everything else on this device. Sad to see that samsung engineers screwed this up. No more pre orders going forward.
The vibration motor doesn't really bother me. I am able to feel whenever it goes off in my pocket. And I don't wear skinny jeans lol. Maybe you would be happier with a Motorola since you are a Motorola lover?
I'm experiencing the same with my s22 ultra. I'm coming from a S20 plus which the vibration alone could be used as an alarm clock. Definitely disappointing, considering how much of an upgrade this phone is.
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I'm experiencing the same with my s22 ultra. I'm coming from a S20 plus which the vibration alone could be used as an alarm clock. Definitely disappointing, considering how much of an upgrade this phone is.
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I remember when the s21 came out and reviewers were complaining that the motor was too strong when it was laying down on a table. It was too loud. Now they make a motor that's quieter and now people complain that it's too quiet. It's a rough business
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I remember when the s21 came out and reviewers were complaining that the motor was too strong when it was laying down on a table. It was too loud. Now they make a motor that's quieter and now people complain that it's too quiet. It's a rough business
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Seems to me to be why there is a setting to adjust the strength to one's personal likes. The issue is it only goes so high. I agree with the OP. I noticed it being weaker despite being set wide open.
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The vibration motor doesn't really bother me. I am able to feel whenever it goes off in my pocket. And I don't wear skinny jeans lol. Maybe you would be happier with a Motorola since you are a Motorola lover?
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Nah.. i ain't happy with motorola anymore.. there was a time. Anyhow.. good for you if you don't find vibration an issue. But it certainly is much more weak. If S21U had strong vibration.. people had option to dial it down.. Here the problem is weak and we don't have an option to increase it, unless samsung does some sort of firmware upgrade to increase intensity further.
A reviewer noted that they're using a different vibration motor this year. It's definitely less strong and there was mention that it moves in a different direction than previous models.
is not a sex toy okay?
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is not a sex toy okay?
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Haha, for that price tag, I want it to be one though!
Have my 22 Ultra for a week now.... had to change the vibration to another pattern, otherwise I wouldn't recognize it at all..... that a major downgrade from my old S20 6.1".
People shouldn't call this an improvement at all, thats some kind of fanboysm.
Vibrations purpose is to quietly inform you that you are receiving a call or message, if that does work worse than before, bad decisions have been made.
I still have the possibility to just enable notification vibration on my Galaxy Watch4 , but this comes at the cost of enabling this for every damn notification (teams, telegram, whatsapp.... ) and you know that this is draining the battery pretty fast.... especially if you have friends that spam every now and then...
Samsung implemented the x-axis in the most terrible way. Hopefully Samsung can fix this via an update, but highly doubt it since it's most likely the hardware.
I actually love the refined feel to the motor. It feels great in the hand.
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I actually love the refined feel to the motor. It feels great in the hand.
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only when its in hand.. if its in your pocket..(specially with loose pants / jackets ) .. you won't even feel the vibration and will miss notifications & calls !
samsung posted an update on the issue -
Why the vibration mode does not work properly on Galaxy S22 Series?
Why the vibration mode does not work properly on Galaxy S22 Series?
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the vibraton is to low since s6 edge, on note 20 ultra i dont notice any message and on s22 ultra it is more less as before , i ask me why samsung not remove the motor, because for this low intensity it is as it has no motor,
i make it with soundmanager of goodlook app, with custom vibration and make a pattern very long so it's a little pit better, maybe someone make a app like light flow to set a costume vibraton for every app
why they build in so a less motor? they can build in a stronger and more options to set the intensity,
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So probably few of you already know that S22U is using a x axis motor instead of z-axis. This new motor is used to enhance the haptic feedback, however this has reduced the vibration intensity on the device. I got the device last day and was driving with device in my pocket on vibration mode. I missed notifications and calls for an urgent situation as the vibration was so soft and i didn't noticed it. Luckily i had old s8+ on me where i got notified.
My situation doesn't allow me to have a ringer on all the time. I am now thinking of returning the device just because of this. I really loved everything else on this device. Sad to see that samsung engineers screwed this up. No more pre orders going forward.
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Coming from an s21u I definitely feel the difference in the vibration intensity as well. In my case, what "solved" this issue for me was pairing my s22u with a samsung smartwatch. That way I can feel the notifications vibrations in my arm and never miss it. I know it's not a solution for everyone, but it worked for me at least..