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Hi folks;
I haven't had a Windows Mobile device in years - last time I had one it was still CE, so I have a bit of a learning curve to climb. I'm looking forward to it though; my HTC Trinity arrives in two days and I'm excited.
One thing I'm really curious about is Bluetooth security. I've read a fair bit recently about a lot of mobile phones / basic smartphones and how they severly lack any sort of bluetooth security, meaning other people can pair to your device without your knowledge to send you messages, copy files to/from the device via OBEX, that sort of thing.
I am wondering what sort of security I can expect out of a WM5 device for Bluetooth (and to some extent Wi-Fi as well). Can people pair with me without my knowledge?
Will my A2DP connection to my new Moto HT820's be easily eavesdropped? It probably uses that default 0000 key like most headsets do.
Also, what sort of tools are available to have a bit of fun with other people's Bluetooth phones? Are there tools for WinMo to send people SMS messages via BT, or listen to headsets, that sort of thing?
If that's against the rules around here, fair enough, don't post anything that would get us in trouble.
Admittedly, it's sort of a lame script-kiddie thing to do, but I think I'd get a kick out of it and I wouldn't do anything to harm someone's device - it would just be a fun learning experience to mess around with people's phones remotely.
It's also good to raise awareness of the relative insecurity of a lot of these personal-area networking devices.
A bump in case anyone has any ideas today.
mikesol said:
what sort of tools are available to have a bit of fun with other people's Bluetooth phones?
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I use btCrawler:
http://www.silentservices.de/btCrawler.html
You need to create this registry key if you want to use Bluesnarf:
\HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Mode\"ISC"=1 (DWORD)
I saw this thread over on Modaco yesterday http://www.modaco.com/The-Real-Bluejack-for-Pocket-PC-t250841.html
$6 was cheap enough, and it's very good.
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omg how nooby is this post?
ok heres a very simple concept
bluetooth off = no access
bluetooth on = available access, however.
most phones these days (even if they support obex object push) have other securitys in place to stop these sorts of attacks.
im really sick of wana be "hackers" carrying on about bluetooth hacking, gawd go learn odbc or something usefull.
even if you could get into someones phone with your elite hacking skills what would you honestly get out of it, "wow look at me i can msg some complete stranger from someones phone book...."
sorry but as a programmer it really grinds my gears seeing noobs post about things they dont understand.
im sure people feel the same about you,when you approach a subject you not an expert or have relevanby experiance
people ask cos they dont know,if you dont like that simply close the page
noobs post about things they dont understand
that why they ask mate,we are all noobs in some field relax
the best way to secure your device while BT is on is to make sure its not discoverable.. Nothing is 100% (except leaving BT off completely)
Also Smurf is a cool little program, but it will only bluejack.. but certainly makes for some fun and odd expressions from strangers
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sorry but as a programmer it really grinds my gears seeing noobs post about things they dont understand.
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A big percentage of posts in this forum are from noobs who post about things they don't understand, and as a community we try to be helpful between us whenever it's possible... and nobody told you to shut up when you posted about things you don't understand.
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A big percentage of posts in this forum are from noobs who post about things they don't understand, and as a community we try to be helpful between us whenever it's possible... and nobody told you to shut up when you posted about things you don't understand.
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err well actually no they didnt, maybe if you learnt to read it would be a good start!
st3v3 said:
omg how nooby is this post?
ok heres a very simple concept
bluetooth off = no access
bluetooth on = available access, however.
most phones these days (even if they support obex object push) have other securitys in place to stop these sorts of attacks.
im really sick of wana be "hackers" carrying on about bluetooth hacking, gawd go learn odbc or something usefull.
even if you could get into someones phone with your elite hacking skills what would you honestly get out of it, "wow look at me i can msg some complete stranger from someones phone book...."
sorry but as a programmer it really grinds my gears seeing noobs post about things they dont understand.
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Chill out dude, everyone is n00b in some area... In your case it should be in the area of being modest...
The xda community is here to help and offer solutions...
Alright, I would hardly consider myself a "noob" simply because I've only been posting here for a week or so. Perhaps once you learn to capitalize letters and spell words, your flames will become more effective.
The question was aimed at determining the level of security present in WM5 devices, and to see if there were any little easy fun programs to send messages or files, that sort of thing. I don't want to "hack" people to any serious extent, or I would fire up my Debian laptop and listen in to the communications that way.
Well, enough out of me. I'll let you get back to wanking it to pictures of Michael Moore.
everyone sit back and relax, have a drink, or smoke, or whatever you do to relax.. If the flames continue then i am going to lock this thread.. lets stay on the topic please. Now group hug, everyone kiss and make up
Just realize that not everyone knows everything about anything.. some people are noobs in some aspect, flaming isnt going to help anyone and thats what this community is about. If you dont want to be a part of that then you know where the exit button is at
Sorry, I probably went a little far on the defensive, but someone who can't even spell or type a complete sentence doesn't have much right calling someone he doesn't know a "noob".
I've bought that Bluejacker program, and it looks to be a pretty impressive tool. Most useful will be the ability to save OBEX transfers directly to my storage card - a few of my friends have overglorified HDD-based media players and I think they may have Bluetooth, so it should be interesting to try transferring movies around.
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Sorry, I probably went a little far on the defensive, but someone who can't even spell or type a complete sentence doesn't have much right calling someone he doesn't know a "noob".
I've bought that Bluejacker program, and it looks to be a pretty impressive tool. Most useful will be the ability to save OBEX transfers directly to my storage card - a few of my friends have overglorified HDD-based media players and I think they may have Bluetooth, so it should be interesting to try transferring movies around.
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thank you for coming back to the topic... what was the bluejacker that you bought?
AlanJC said:
I saw this thread over on Modaco yesterday http://www.modaco.com/The-Real-Bluejack-for-Pocket-PC-t250841.html
$6 was cheap enough, and it's very good.
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That's the one I bought. It needs a few bugfixes (mostly visual) but it made it a lot easier to get all my ringtones and whatnot from my old Sony Ericsson T610.
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That's the one I bought. It needs a few bugfixes (mostly visual) but it made it a lot easier to get all my ringtones and whatnot from my old Sony Ericsson T610.
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looks like i will have to check it from home.. [email protected] company firewalls
I've been using it a couple of days now. It's the best Bluetooth utility I have seen on the PPC.
It's a shame it's locked to my Uni though because sometimes I take the Wizard out as it's so much smaller, and I would have liked to use it on that on those odd days.
EDIT: 0vZ just contacted me on that MoDaCo thread to say a 2nd license is only $3 USD. Peanuts to pay for such a functional product, so I'll do that.
Oh and just a note to st3v3, no, this app isn't really *hacking*, but people's stupidity means you can probably quite easily download every text message on their phone.
Changing your BT name to "incoming message" or something and accessing a phone might bring up a message like "incoming message is trying to access your phone. Allow, yes or no"
Lots of people send files and send silly messages by BT now, most non-technical people would simply click yes, giving you OBEX, or AT access to their phone.
I didn't buy this app for this purpose, but I have just discovered how easy it is, I might have a little play.
yeah and its the same as on the old nokias if you have your name as blank (forget how to do that there was a way) any of the old nokias (ngage i know it works) would lock up becuase it wouldnt display the name.
still not what I would call hacking and being able to read someone’s text messages (which would require someone’s bt to be left on and that they had the right type of phone)
All in all its still a pipe dream of misconstrued wana be 15 year olds with nothing better to do than sit around telling their friends what elite hackers they are.
Hi
Got myself a HTC HD2 phone can all you good people recommend what good apps to use along with the best games out at the moment
A bit of a dummy when it comes to phones so take it easy on me
Thanks all.
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Hi
Got myself a HTC HD2 phone can all you good people recommend what good apps to use along with the best games out at the moment
A bit of a dummy when it comes to phones so take it easy on me
Thanks all.
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I guess you found this forum by searching on net. So you could use same method on the forums too. Just a simple search would give you excellent results.
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-2900107662879704:fs7umqefhnf&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=apps+for+hd2
Don't take it personally.
Was recommended this forum from a friend off BBS air guns he said it was a great forum where the people are very helpful and this is the place to fined all I need for my phone.
I have had a look through but it all seems gobblygook to me I just know I will end up doing something to my phone of shouldn't
Get registered at freeware pocket pc then download oMarket on your phone. It is a free app marketplace similar to WM marketplace. Also, go to hd2apps blog. Tons of apps and games (all free), best site imo. If you like to know people's recommended apps, go to TMobile HD2 forum, there are several threads there dedicated for that, just do a search. That is where newbies should go first before dabbling into XDA as in my opinion this forum is more for relatively advanced users...for tweaking and customization, a little less on apps and games.
Cheers for that
Welcome to the HD2 world here on XDA.
I totally understand how everything can be/is confusing at first. Having the phone for a day or so and not knowing what is out there to do even a general search. Reading the posts here will give you a general knowledge of the cab files that will enhance and customize your new phone to your liking. It really isnt that hard once you start playing around a bit.
Might I suggest bookmarking this forum, and keeping an eye on it. Lots of stuff here to do to your phone. Also read though all the posts in the "post your leo today screens" thread. tons of stuff there, and everyone shares what they have.
Please do remember the search feature is your friend. New threads with the same old questions that have been posted and answered 50 times will most likely only get you a few pointed responses.
Hope you enjoy your new HD2 phone and your time here.
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Was recommended this forum from a friend off BBS air guns he said it was a great forum where the people are very helpful and this is the place to fined all I need for my phone.
I have had a look through but it all seems gobblygook to me I just know I will end up doing something to my phone of shouldn't
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Friend off an Airgun forum??
Bet he's got some really silly username trying to make himself sound like some crack shot hero too hasn't he? Sad. Very sad.
Don't worry mate, they're not all that unfriendly on here, as the other two posters have proved.
This place can be a bit daunting, just read lots for a few days and it'll start becoming clear, drop me an email or PM on here if you get stuck.
What sort of stuff are you looking for?
Finding my way round got some top apps already my phone is starting to become mine now
Have seen some pics on here where the phone has a smart looking top bar where the start and signal strength is anyone know a link to where I can find one. Have look for one but don't know what it's called
Cheers sniper-wolf for the heads up, name can't be as bad as mine
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Finding my way round got some top apps already my phone is starting to become mine now
Have seen some pics on here where the phone has a smart looking top bar where the start and signal strength is anyone know a link to where I can find one. Have look for one but don't know what it's called
Cheers sniper-wolf for the heads up, name can't be as bad as mine
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No worries mate, glad you are getting somewhere, I reckon Livebait is an ok name, could be worse, could be something like Bigred1.
The bit you're lookin for is called a taskbar, here's a few to be going on with........
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679518&highlight=taskbar
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=664594&highlight=taskbar
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=584531&highlight=taskbar
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=671203&highlight=taskbar
There are loads more, that's just the first 4 I came across. You should find them easier now you know what they're called.
Edit: Just spotted your avatar!! Is that you? Always nice to put a face to a name.
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I that be me on a good day
Think bigred1 got his name from his guitar think he loves it more then his misses
Down loaded DJC taskbar he's the man looks great ( big thanks to DJC) now sorting out to get speaker back read how to do it but was never good with institution's to put a flat pack up let alone phones
Sorted it dam I'm getting good at this. I know its easy for most of you out there but I be a farmer and only found out about mobile phone last week
welcome
Hi welcome to xda developers, yes you will meet some people who will just post absolutly nothing that will help you. They almost acted pissed off that your even asking a question. Dont worry some of us will help out you can find some games here
www.krenisiswinmobilegamesapps.com most of the games are freeware and its a small and simple interface. I also made SuperMarioGun WVGA game and Obama vs. Bush game which you can find here. Any questions just hit me up Iam glad to help anyone out. The phone you have can do some amazing stuff like watch movies and has free TV apps too. Let me know if your going to stay in this thread and I will upload some programs that I feel are good.
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Hi welcome to xda developers, yes you will meet some people who will just post absolutly nothing that will help you. They almost acted pissed off that your even asking a question. Dont worry some of us will help out you can find some games here
www.krenisiswinmobilegamesapps.com most of the games are freeware and its a small and simple interface. I also made SuperMarioGun WVGA game and Obama vs. Bush game which you can find here. Any questions just hit me up Iam glad to help anyone out. The phone you have can do some amazing stuff like watch movies and has free TV apps too. Let me know if your going to stay in this thread and I will upload some programs that I feel are good.
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Nice one zarpy that sound spot on. Free tv? Got my player installed but if you know others I would be willing to try them to find the best.
Still finding my way round my phone waiting on my 16gb card to turn up give me more room.
If you could post some good stuff up I would be thankful.
Take care my friend.
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Ok here some fun stuff
1)Boing- a simple game you tilt the phone left or right to control your ball and try to go as far up as you can. Developed by flyingmonkey.
2)Youtube player- now you can download youtube videos and mp3 for free. No more paying for music just type in the name you want and press the youtube icon.
3)VWD- download free music,videos ,porn ,etc. All for free you need Netcompactframework3.5 cab let me know if you need it.
Enjoy if you want more just let me know.
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Ok ready for some more fun
1)ChipperX - play 4 levels you control chipperX you can jump and move left or right with onscreen controls. Avoid the enemies and make it to the door. Your on a quest to find the mystical cape.
2)The Channeler- One of the best apps gives you free TV on your phone. All you do is register and there is no charge. Watch over 120 different channels takes a little bit to get used to but is great.
try .... www.fpsece.net
get the supporter version and register on the forum to get the right set-up files for the HD2.
It's a playstation one emulator and its really good.
There's loads of help videos on the forum to help you get it started and it's well worth the effort!
I'd also recommend getting the paid version of myPlayer... there's more uk digital live channels that work really well.
other good games....
ivy the kiwi
pool rebel
Experiment 13
mini golf wacky worlds
Marble worlds 2
Thanks all for all your help.
Downloaded the stuff you put up zarpy and joined fpsece.net skilty
I am a bit stuck now until my 16g card turns up as I have ran out of room only got 4g at the mo
Thanks again all you have sorted my phone out. Even my mate br1 is thinking of selling his pie phone and getting one
16g card turned up today bring on the apps my fellow HD2 users
downloads
Ok you got the card thats great. Now go to this website and download all games and apps you can fit. You dont even have to register just click and download .
www.krenisiswinmobilegamesapps.com
Trust me its well worth it!!! Tell me after you gone there how you like it.
Dam bloody bay the card don't work can write stuff to it but it will not run from it
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Dam bloody bay the card don't work can write stuff to it but it will not run from it
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Hey livebaituk,
Have you formatted the card before using it? Try that first....
Otherwise, did you buy it from eBay?? I had the same problem with the one I got from there, did a quick test on it and it turned out to be fake!
Use the program below to test the memory card and see if that's the problem....
(you will need to have a microSD convertor to use direct with your computer, either to usb or to SD if you have a SD card reader).
That's all I can think of, hope that helps,
I realize this isn't the most correct place to post this, but apparently, everyone should read this.
I've been involved with the xda modding community for over 4 years. When I came to xda-devs, the iphone didn't exist. Android didn't exist. WebOS didn't exist. If you wanted a "smart phone" your choices were PalmOS, Pocket PC, and a few Symbian based offerings. It's quite possible that the expense and, for lack of a better word, elitism that went with these smart phones meant that "commoners" weren't using them. Especially, they weren't modding them.
In those days, devs were respected. There certainly wasn't this big entitlement feeling that every tom, ****, and harry feel they are owed today. This site was started and grew based on people wanting to develop for these phones. We wanted them to do more. For the most part, if you didn't have anything to contribute, you understood to stfu. Even more important, if you saw a need, you worked to fill it. Many of the guys that started this community STARTED learning because of it. Sure, you'll have questions. Questions are good. The flaming of each other, the putting down of other sites, and the general dickery needs to stop.
It's sad that I look at xda with disdain these days. XDA has gone from a site that I spent most of my day on, and worked to assist where I could, to a necessary evil because I own an HTC device.
I'm thankful to all of the Android devs for their work in rooting so many phones. Thank you HTC for making a phone that works so well, I'm not completely sure I need or want to root it. Thank you XDA for providing a location where we can COLLABORATE.
To all of you kids (either by age or maturity) look up the definition of collaborate, patience, and "common decency"). Please stop being rude, and or demanding... anything. We don't need 30 extra posts to tell us "I'm Not Happy about X" or "User Y is a dork". It's useless. Put it on your myspace page, people may care there.
And to the elitists, don't knock people for thinking of an idea that someone else already tried. At least they are thinking. At least they are trying. And hopefully, they'll learn and take on the next challenge in your stead.
XC
Here-here!
Appreciation > Ego
This place is no different than any other forum, really. People are dicks everywhere.
I feel you pain, this place used to be a comminty of people all over the world, that were here to help. And we all shared one commen goal, to make our phones the best they could be. It really does sadden me to see what has happend. No body is owed anthing. and for some reson everyone feels like they are.
You used to be able to asked a question without getting flamed to death, people and devs would help you with any problem you had, and now..... its just ridiculous the way people are acting. Its not just here, its on all the android forums that i have seen. so dont think that its just here.
To everyone that has helped make this site the best, thank you. And to the rest of you, please leave go somwere else, your kind is not welcome here.
heavensblade23 said:
This place is no different than any other forum, really. People are dicks everywhere.
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Sad but true =/ I'm relatively new to xda, but I was really surprised about recent events, I never really expected something like that to happen on XDA.
heavensblade23 said:
This place is no different than any other forum, really. People are dicks everywhere.
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+1
It happens on all forums, you will have fighting and issues and assholes appearing. Just got to deal with it, thats what moderators are for.
heavensblade23 said:
This place is no different than any other forum, really. People are dicks everywhere.
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You have a choice to make things worse or better. I can see what your choice is.
anubis_dragoon said:
Sad but true =/ I'm relatively new to xda, but I was really surprised about recent events, I never really expected something like that to happen on XDA.
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What happened? Someone reported something that was untrue? Or a bunch of people got excited about a sketchy report of root/a mod. That has happened a bunch on XDA. Stick around and it'll happen a bunch more. People make mistakes, hello! We had several overclocking threads that were false starts in G1/Dream. Guess what? People kept trying and eventually, it got done. The people who were *****ing, however, just produced more *****ing--and my my phone does not install non-market *****ing
Ummm...but why is this thread in the development thread?
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You have a choice to make things worse or better. I can see what your choice is.
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I'm not saying it's okay to act like a ****, I'm saying it's largely a lost cause. I got sick of people acting like dicks on another, general-purpose, forum, so I left to try to find some place where people were civil. I gave up when I saw someone on an Android banned for rageposting over cell phone batteries.
steb0ne said:
Ummm...but why is this thread in the development thread?
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It's here because everyone, in every area, needs to read it and take it to heart.
steb0ne said:
Ummm...but why is this thread in the development thread?
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Simply because this is where XDA lost face in the eyes of many yesterday. Its not just the sites fault though. Members had a lot to do with it. I'm sure because yesterday was a holiday is the reason it took some time for the Mods to get a handle on things.
I give thanks to the OP for posting here.
Thank you XDA!!!
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Ummm...but why is this thread in the development thread?
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I realize this isn't the most correct place to post this, but apparently, everyone should read this.
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I think it is very important to understand where xda came from. This site began with people that not only helped us mod our phones, but were willing to teach us to mod our phones. That way, when the next phone came out, you had more people working to mod the phone.
I put this in a developer thread because development is a large driving force behind xda.
XC
People need to learn to just report a thread instead of fighting over what's posted in it. Mods will help sort things out I'm sure. We all need to just work together on making this site better and learn from the mistakes of others. The Incredible's development will get better in time its a fairly new device if you think about it. IMO its very nice stock. Keep up the great work Devs and for those who don't dev do your part in making this site a place for ppl to want to come to share and learn.
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I realize this isn't the most correct place to post this, but apparently, everyone should read this.
I've been involved with the xda modding community for over 4 years. When ...
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Although I have not really posted here much, I have been around since the Palm Treo 650 days (loved that damn phone btw) and have always had a deep sense of respect for all the developers here who dedicate their time and efforts to making a smartphone more powerful and more useful outside the stock features. Being a member of the iPhone community for so long, I have had no reason to come to these forums for quite a while so I've been out of the loop. Now that I own a droid incredible, I was led back here by a simple "how-to-root your android" Google search. Since that time, I have seen a lot of commotion about the Incredible.
I am not and never will be able to develop, write code, or become a linux genius. I have been a linux admin for years, but never had a need or want to go into development. That being said, I have always respected those who have the ability to develop software, apps, images, etc.
I think the main problem on these forums now, is too many kids and too many people who expect something to be handed to them rather than be grateful for what they are given. Then again, that's pretty much anywhere you go in the world. The only thing we can do as a community is choose how we respond to these situations. Like adults....
Thanks.
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Sadly, I'm seeing these types of issues everywhere. The last 4-5 years has really created a new generation of people that think they can get away with saying whatever they want online. Think of it as the Myspace gen, if you will.
It's painful to say it, but honestly... it's not going to get any better.
Ruoh said:
Sadly, I'm seeing these types of issues everywhere. The last 4-5 years has really created a new generation of people that think they can get away with saying whatever they want online, and get away with it. Think of it as the Myspace gen, if you will.
It's painful to say it, but honestly... it's not going to get any better.
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Generation T, as in toilet trained below the waist only. Their mouths seem to run constantly, and not even their spell checkers have been opened . . .
It's easy to bash wee tykes. Been happening since antiquity. Hard to root an Incredible, tho. We just need somebody to get a reman unit that still has a testing bootloader installed!
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....For the most part, if you didn't have anything to contribute, you understood to stfu. Even more important, if you saw a need, you worked to fill it. Many of the guys that started this community STARTED learning because of it. Sure, you'll have questions. Questions are good.
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Exactly right... And I'm one of those who kept my mouth shut as I read and learned here, respecting those who put forth the info that helped me...
xcsdm said:
....The flaming of each other, the putting down of other sites, and the general dickery needs to stop.
It's sad that I look at xda with disdain these days. XDA has gone from a site that I spent most of my day on, and worked to assist where I could, to a necessary evil because I own an HTC device.
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I can say the same about Hofo (on which I go by a different name..)
I started there, reading, absorbing, learning.. To pay it back, I started helping others when/where I could. I eventually started a collection of instructions, and writing up info I digested to make it easier for new people to just dive in and learn to do it themselves. I even met (in person) someone I met on hofo, and we worked to create a set of repeatable processes to flash moto phones with non-VZW firmware.
I saw it go from a great site to learn, to a place you're going to get flamed, called names, disrespected, etc... Thankfully, the birth of my son took me away from my cell phone hacking and Hofo just at the right time.
As I visit this, hofo and other sites, I can't help but think they are all becoming the same... a bunch of people who feel entitled to have this or that NOW and if they don't get it, they gripe up a storm about it, call people names, etc..
Its sad.
Is it really getting that bad? I haven't signed into this site since my old PPC6700 days, so I haven't taken a look at the Entitled Generation posts, but I'll be sure to keep an eye out.
dephtones said:
Although I have not really posted here much, I have been around since the Palm Treo 650 days (loved that damn phone btw) and have always had a deep sense of respect for all the developers here who dedicate their time and efforts to making a smartphone more powerful and more useful outside the stock features. Being a member of the iPhone community for so long, I have had no reason to come to these forums for quite a while so I've been out of the loop. Now that I own a droid incredible, I was led back here by a simple "how-to-root your android" Google search. Since that time, I have seen a lot of commotion about the Incredible.
I am not and never will be able to develop, write code, or become a linux genius. I have been a linux admin for years, but never had a need or want to go into development. That being said, I have always respected those who have the ability to develop software, apps, images, etc.
I think the main problem on these forums now, is too many kids and too many people who expect something to be handed to them rather than be grateful for what they are given. Then again, that's pretty much anywhere you go in the world. The only thing we can do as a community is choose how we respond to these situations. Like adults....
Thanks.
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AMEN ! NOOBs need to read and research more rather than demanding everything be handed to them.
I think this thread is a bit dramatic. "What happened to XDA?" Well, nothing really. There's just a huge influx of new people who know just enough to be dangerous and really want root (and look at the average post count, mine is low enough but every other person I see discussing this has less than 20 posts). The Incredible is one of if not THE hot phone on the market, so I'm not surprised it's like a circus in here. Due to recent events that I will not dare mention, It's like the scene in Caddyshack when they let all the caddys swim in the pool and run all the "members" off. And over the weekend someone took a dump in the pool and caused mayhem/panic...
If the mods would get more strict - short temp bans for people who are very rude, and maybe also for people who can't stay on subject or at least delete the off subject posts, and get rid of all the "why is my battery life bad" threads then the Dev section may improve. Perhaps make a rule that says you can't post in this section unless you have a certain number of posts? I don't know. It was just a bad weekend. It will get back to normal.
so im about to do it. been wanting a tablet for some time and as nice as the xoom looks for 1/2 the price this make sense.
can a newbie root? i dont know the first thing about programming. ive searched the forums, and i see roms, and all these things i dont even know what they are. TNT programs, which sound not so newb friendly lol....and i want to know if there is a basic root that i may be able to follow. root for dummies is what im looking for.
and also, if i screw this up can i revert back to the original way this thing was?
sorta nervous to order and not use it to the fullest potential but seems like without rooting its not worth a crap.
i know probably asked 100 times, but ive searched and just cant find basic rooting 101 concepts. read the faqs - nothing so straight forward that i found.
thanks in advance. if i find the support i need here which seems likely im going to order the viewsonic shortly
First, welcome!
And then...
Start here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865245
This was the post that helped me the most. Have you rooted and installed new ROMs on Android devices before? It's not difficult, but does require that every last instruction is read. Twice. And look at posts about people "bricking" their tablets to see what they might have done wrong, or what they had to do to fix their problems. Don't worry about rooting; I've rooted a MyTouch 3g, a TMobile Vibrant and this tablet and it was the easiest by far. I'd like to say that the stock software sucks, but I can't. I purchased this tablet because I knew I would be rooting and ROMing and only had about ten minutes in the store and ten minutes at home with the original software. It wasn't horrible, but I do know that Vegan 5.1 flies and is very stable.
READ READ READ and search your face off for your problems before posting. Many people frown on oft asked questions here. I see a lot of people writing about how easy it is to search to get your answer, but I'm not a fan of the XDA search function for many reasons. So, Google is your friend. When searching Google, be sure to state your issue clearly and concisely, and in as few words as possible. Oh, but do include "XDA" in your search, or "site:forum.xda-developers.com" if you want to only search the XDA Developers forum.
Happy modding!
(1) We don't mind newbies, although it's nice if they actually respect the hard work of the people here by pressing the shift button to capitalize where appropriate. It would also be appreciated if they don't use run-on sentences.
(2) We highly recommend against modding for people like you. Just turn it on, update what viewsonic has for you, and everything will run just fine. We recommend you play with the gtab for a while before taking the plunge.
(3) You don't need to know programming to root. This thread will give you step by step instructions on how to do the essential things of modding. These instructions are so easy even a cave man could do it.
(4) That said, again, their stock rom + update should be good enough for someone like you. I have 2 gtabs. I've modded one and kept the other one as is. Trust me, it's more than sufficient for your needs.
thank u!!! im going to review that. now thats a detailed step by step which couldnt be answered easily but somehow seems doable for a newbie thanks. brings me closer to ordering.
I somehow doubt you read everything I said.
goodintentions said:
I somehow doubt you read everything I said.
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Don't be condescending. Were you born knowing how to root and mod a G Tab? Let people ask questions, and if you don't want to answer then don't.
adampdx said:
Don't be condescending. Were you born knowing how to root and mod a G Tab? Let people ask questions, and if you don't want to answer then don't.
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I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.
goodintentions - I was thanking adampdx but appreciate your input as well. I read his reply and his link provided and at first glance it seemed helpful. With that said, I also appreciate you letting me know the stock VS GT is pretty good and perhaps I will leave it as is when I get it. People make it out to be like this thing is so unsable out of the box, which apparently isnt the case. I just want to be able to get to the market and download a few apps I like using on my droid pro phone, thats all. Additionally I will use capitals and try watching the run on sentences. I was just excited to post and get involved.
goodintentions said:
I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.
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I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.
goodintentions said:
I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.
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Well, better to not use it at all than TO USE IT EVERYWHERE. Arrghgh stop shouting!!!
(btw, trying to defuse the situation with a very bad attempt at a joke)
roebeet said:
Well, better to not use it at all than TO USE IT EVERYWHERE. Arrghgh stop shouting!!!
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Thanks for a little comic relief.
adampdx said:
I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.
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+1
Not to mention there be members who may not use English as a primary language and therefore may not be familiar with all of its intricacies. Respect begets respect. You get more when you offer more.
Well, here is my thought on why people are giving it such bad reviews.
(1) They compared it to the ipad right out of the box. Yes, the stock UI isn't the greatest thing, but it's usable. And after the update, it should work just fine.
(2) People were expecting an ipad when they bought this device. This is why I've been repeating over and over that this ain't no ipad.
(3) People have money coming out of their ears, so they want the bests and greatests. The slightest disadvantage and they will make it sound like the tablet exploded or something.
(4) Which brings me to my next point. People like to exaggerate.
I've always been a simple person. I like to work with what I have. I also hate Apple products with a passion. I only own one Apple product. I got my ipod (30 gig one) as a gift years ago. I've been thinking for a while to look for something that is light weight so I could drag it along for work and other activities. My laptop seems like it weighs a ton some time. That said, after I've done the appropriate moddings and installed the apps I wanted, the viewsonic gtab seems like a dream come true for me. It works incredibly fast. I didn't buy this thing to watch videos and listen to music. I have my tv and ipod for that. That said, I really think viewsonic is sitting on top of a goldmine with this device. I don't know why they haven't done more to publicize it.
K J Rad said:
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Not to mention there be members who may not use English as a primary language and therefore may not be familiar with all of its intricacies. Respect begets respect. You get more when you offer more.
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Oh, please, I can tell the difference between a non-engrish speaker and someone who's just lazy. I'm a non-native english speaker. In another thread, I mentioned that I was born in a house with a dirt floor and grew up with a 4 inch black and white tv. I wasn't kidding.
adampdx said:
I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.
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Well, I apologize if what I said offended some people. But what I stated was a fact. Because of all the exaggerated reviews of how god-aweful the stock UI and screen are, average people get the wrong idea. They feel that they have to mod the device the moment they get their hands on it.
All I'm suggesting people do is give the updated stock rom a chance. Give it a few days before they decide to take the plunge. There's really no prettier way to say it.
goodintentions said:
Oh, please, I can tell the difference between a non-engrish speaker...
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There it is, the racist card. I was wondering when that one would come out.
adampdx said:
There it is, the racist card. I was wondering when that one would come out.
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Good job for picking that up, considering I was born and grew up in eastern Asia... nice going with the nitpick.
You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
Ah, all of this being said, I do think this whole thing is funny and a giant waste of time. I've also been noticing that the forums seem sluggish, and I'm getting strange messages from the server from time to time about not being able to load forum pages. I think all of our babble is bogging down the servers. And with the impending onslaught of wooters, we should probably knock it off.
goodintentions, your making the xda forums look bad.
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You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
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Wait, hang on. So, joking is racist? You mean you can't tell the difference between a joke and a racist comment? Is this, like, the twilight zone where noone has any common sense at all?
Look, I'm not asking for perfect composition to be published in academia here. but towrite somthin without regard to how it loks to the people your asking for help looks like you dont care for their eeffort s and your just passing buy. its also had to understand runon sentences and... suc
adampdx said:
You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
Ah, all of this being said, I do think this whole thing is funny and a giant waste of time. I've also been noticing that the forums seem sluggish, and I'm getting strange messages from the server from time to time about not being able to load forum pages. I think all of our babble is bogging down the servers. And with the impending onslaught of wooters, we should probably knock it off.
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hahaha I was thinking the same thing. Tomorrow's XDA headline --- "Wooters bring down XDA".
I need to take my Woot-Off lights out soon, perhaps?
Hey there anyone has any estimates on when the s-off, root and etc for general public will be out, not sure about how many bugs/glitches does the dev. version have...
Regards, SM
It's been stable and working. They may as well not call this a dev release.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e
No issues
I think the disclaimer for the dev only thing was probably a safe guard to make sure the repercussions weren't severe if things didn't pan out! However everything works great for me... I just reflashed my stock RUU after and re-rooted and put on CWM and now my phone is slick and debloated! I donated because as far as I am concerned they can't improve upon perfect!
the reason why i asked is becasue this is my first time i ever dealt with HTC "rooting" wanted to make sure i dont run into much issues during the process, any pointers? besides the guide?
I still can't post questions on the dev thread since im fairly new....
Simplicity is the key
Just don't get worried that is all! Make sure you feel comfortable with the procedure prior to attempting it, but rest assured this is quite possibly the easiest S-Off/Root procedure around... no goldcard, no nothing! It literally does everything for you! So just stick to the guide, don't deviate, and never panic and jerk the cord from your phone! Then again I don't really think you can brick, but if I understand correctly S-Off is in the Radio and quite simply put if the Radio gets messed up the phone gets messed up!
Again if the phone seems fine to you, then you may not want to do it right now... the ROMs are just starting to come out of the kitchens and are young right now so holding off might be advisable or at least until you feel comfortable to play around with your phone!
I appreciate the tips glitzbd, when it comes to "rooting" as in iphone would that be considered jailbreaking ? And how does it interact with applications, allows you to rip apps for free?
SirMario87 said:
I appreciate the tips glitzbd, when it comes to "rooting" as in iphone would that be considered jailbreaking ? And how does it interact with applications, allows you to rip apps for free?
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It doesn't allow you to get free app's but along with s-off, gives you pretty much total control over the phone and allows app's that are made specifically for rooted devices to run on the phone, i.e. Titanium backup and also to flash custom rom's.
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It doesn't allow you to get free app's but along with s-off, gives you pretty much total control over the phone and allows app's that are made specifically for rooted devices to run on the phone, i.e. Titanium backup and also to flash custom rom's.
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I see, thanx alot, out of curiosity, are the HTCs able to be hacked where you would be able to download apps that are not free, for free.
(my fist HTC device)
SirMario87 said:
I see, thanx alot, out of curiosity, are the HTCs able to be hacked where you would be able to download apps that are not free, for free.
(my fist HTC device)
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Not that I know of and I wouldn't ask too much about how to do it or where to get them from on here as the moderator's are pretty strict about it.
There are websites that provide them if you have a google though.
cjm1979 said:
Not that I know of and I wouldn't ask too much about how to do it or where to get them from on here as the moderator's are pretty strict about it.
There are websites that provide them if you have a google though.
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I see i must have mistaken this forum as a more hack oriented forum....
SirMario87 said:
I see i must have mistaken this forum as a more hack oriented forum....
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LOL stealing paid apps = bad and majority of the websites that offer paid apps for free also offer identity theft,spam and trojans for your device to enjoy....BUY THE APPS man!!!!!!!!! not many things in life are FREE
SirMario87 said:
I see i must have mistaken this forum as a more hack oriented forum....
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It is for hacking / developing, but not for hacking paid app's / warez.
cjm1979 said:
It is for hacking / developing, but not for hacking paid app's / warez.
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You can tell im a long time Warez member Warez FTW!!!
But i appreciate the heads up fellas thanks!