Dear all,
I've been reading on this forum for some time because I rooted an Ainol tablet an a Sony phone with help from here before. But now I am totally stuck with my newly acquired 2nd-hand HTC Sensation.
I successfully flashed the Revolution Rom HD 7.3 to the phone but even with OC Daemon (or any other CPU tweaker) I cannot go over 1188000 as the max value. No overclocking possible.
Phone specs:
* bootloader unlocked (this means 'rooted', right?)
* Hboot 1.27.0000 (Pyramid)
* Firmware 3.33.401.1 series.
* S-ON RL.
Further info is eMMC-boot, and it has fastboot on it.
Is it necessary to make the phone S-OFF in order to enjoy the overclocking benefits of the custom Rom?
If so, do I need to do a factory reset to stock ICS rom before I can do the S-OFF?
What is the best method for my specs to get to S-OFF?
I tried in various ways with the Revolution Rom on there, but I didn't manage to do it.
I saw this method ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41244866 ) but I wonder if there isn't another way? I saw other methods for other Hboot numbers but not for Hboot 1.27 ... and if I do use this method, can I do it with the Revolution Rom installed?
I tried flashing various kernels not in the stock rom (some of which wouldn't flash and some of which caused the famous wi-fi error - luckily I did a Nandroid backup of my last known good configuration... had the wi-fi error twice already now). It seems also that i get some sort of 'image error' or something every time the phone goes into bootloader. I was unsure what to do with the radio file that came with the rom. I tried to flash that with CWM because I didn't know any other way, and maybe that was a mistake? I read that this may cause battery issues, and it does seem as if the battery drained fairly quickly especially while on 3g or WiFi despite black screen etc.
Please help.
PS I can provide screenshots if it helps.
Hi.
1. No, unlocked BL does not mean rooted, it's irrelative. But as you have a custom ROM installed after unlocking bootloader, you're rooted. Because custom ROMs are normally pre-rooted.
2. S-off is not required to have your CPU/GPU overclocked, but you have booted up your ROM, this means you have a flashed kernel. But I suspect something right now. Did you perform a full wipe (deleting all data on internal partitions, data, system, cache and boot)? I don't think you have done. Therefore, you might still have stock kernel, which is not overclockable. To flash a kernel without a computer, you must have gained s-off. Otherwise you may not flash any kernel flawlessly, unless you either get s-off or flash the boot.img of the kernel using fastboot commands (as you mentioned, I don't think you know it, do you?) Post a screenshot of your kernel info at about phone - software section.
SENT FROM WHATEVER IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE LOCKED AT, THE THING IS THAT IT IS SENT.
ashkan-khatar said:
To flash a kernel without a computer, you must have gained s-off. Otherwise you may not flash any kernel flawlessly, unless you either get s-off or flash the boot.img of the kernel using fastboot commands (as you mentioned, I don't think you know it, do you?) Post a screenshot of your kernel info at about phone - software section.
SENT FROM WHATEVER IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE LOCKED AT, THE THING IS THAT IT IS SENT.
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he can flash kernel without pc(if it is as a flashable zip file)
with 4ext recovery and smartflash enabled
edit: OP you can't flash radio while on S-ON and that file can be flashed only from bootloader
you were thinking that you flashed it
and about battery in fresh install don't judge it so quickly
give it 4-5 circle charges until it settles down
then see how it bahaves
rzr86 said:
he can flash kernel without pc(if it is as a flashable zip file)
with 4ext recovery and smartflash enabled
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Oops... I didn't remember that at all..
SENT FROM WHATEVER IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE LOCKED AT, THE THING IS THAT IT IS SENT.
Thank you to both posters so far.
I do not remember if I did a full wipe at the time.
I just remember it seemed to have fully installed...
Here is the kernel details:
3.0.16-g31a4fc7
[email protected]#1
SMP PREEMPT
This is displayed regardless of which kernel I flashed... even with faux, this is what it would show.
I thought that might be because all kernels mimic the stock kernel...
So can you confirm that this is the stock kernel?
If so, I will go ahead and wipe everything... and start from scratch.
BUT - if I do that and then restore my Nandroid backup - won't the stock kernel be back?
And can I then reflash with faux kernel or any other compatible kernel while keeping my OS configuration?
Extra info:
I have CWMrecovery on it and Fastboot.
The Revolution Rom contains 3 kernels to choose from.
Initially I probably chose stock, but then reflashed the whole thing, trying to change it to on of the other two available choices.
So if I did a complete wipe and factory reset, and then reflashed with one of the other two built-in kernels,
would it then be overclockable?
And what would happen if I then restored my Nandroid backup - would the kernel I chose with the new installation remain in place as the backup is merely the configuration?
bel1eve said:
Extra info:
I have CWMrecovery on it and Fastboot.
The Revolution Rom contains 3 kernels to choose from.
Initially I probably chose stock, but then reflashed the whole thing, trying to change it to on of the other two available choices.
So if I did a complete wipe and factory reset, and then reflashed with one of the other two built-in kernels,
would it then be overclockable?
And what would happen if I then restored my Nandroid backup - would the kernel I chose with the new installation remain in place as the backup is merely the configuration?
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if you choose one of the other two kernels then you can overclock
when you are restoring a nandroid backup it restores everything(system,data,boot,cache etc)
so if did a nandroid with stock kernel then it will restore that kernel too
edit: i advise to use 4ext recovery for flashing roms and kernels since you are on S-ON
rzr86 said:
if you choose one of the other two kernels then you can overclock
when you are restoring a nandroid backup it restores everything(system,data,boot,cache etc)
so if did a nandroid with stock kernel then it will restore that kernel too
edit: i advise to use 4ext recovery for flashing roms and kernels since you are on S-ON
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Ok, thank you very much for the insight. Yes, I believe the backup had stock kernel. Must have been...
3 more questions before I consider taking action:
1. How do I get 4ext on there now that I have CWM already?
2. Is there a way to backup my current setup and later restore it minus the kernel?
3. Since my phone runs real smooth as is right now and I don't play 3D games anyway - what noticeable benefits do I get from overclocking?
bel1eve said:
Ok, thank you very much for the insight. Yes, I believe the backup had stock kernel. Must have been...
3 more questions before I consider taking action:
1. How do I get 4ext on there now that I have CWM already?
2. Is there a way to backup my current setup and later restore it minus the kernel?
3. Since my phone runs real smooth as is right now and I don't play 3D games anyway - what noticeable benefits do I get from overclocking?
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Disclaimer :I don't know much, everything I say could be wrong for all I know. But if It is I hope someone corrects me on it
1. http://androidforums.com/cdma-evo-3...lash-recovery-image-via-fastboot-sd-card.html
The file name for sensation should be PG58IMG.zip
2. Titanium backup
3. If you're getting the level of performance you already want, I don't think there will be any noticeable difference. Most roms come with cpu governor that will adjust the cpu speed depending on task, low cpu to intensive, overclocking increases the maximum allowed, some app will take advantage of this it will drain battery faster and since you don't require more juice why waste battery?
stillsober said:
Disclaimer :I don't know much, everything I say could be wrong for all I know. But if It is I hope someone corrects me on it
1. http://androidforums.com/cdma-evo-3...lash-recovery-image-via-fastboot-sd-card.html
The file name for sensation should be PG58IMG.zip
2. Titanium backup
3. If you're getting the level of performance you already want, I don't think there will be any noticeable difference. Most roms come with cpu governor that will adjust the cpu speed depending on task, low cpu to intensive, overclocking increases the maximum allowed, some app will take advantage of this it will drain battery faster and since you don't require more juice why waste battery?
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or follow only step 2 from this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631861
for restore yes you can do also an advanced restore from 4ext recovery except titanium backup
just go to backup/restore->advanced restore and choose data
but don't restore system partition if you are coming from different rom or different base because you will have many fc's
Thank you to you both.
PG58IMG.zip - this file is 4ext? I do have this file and remember trying to install it via WMrecovery, but unsuccessful. How do I install it?
So if I understand this right, with Titanium Backup or via a 4ext advanced restore I can backup my whole configaration (installed apps, frozen apps, startup apps, accounts, screen config) for a given Rom? ANd then I can wipe everything and reflash the Rom with the desired kernel and then restore this backup and everything goes?
bel1eve said:
Thank you to you both.
PG58IMG.zip - this file is 4ext? I do have this file and remember trying to install it via WMrecovery, but unsuccessful. How do I install it?
So if I understand this right, with Titanium Backup or via a 4ext advanced restore I can backup my whole configaration (installed apps, frozen apps, startup apps, accounts, screen config) for a given Rom? ANd then I can wipe everything and reflash the Rom with the desired kernel and then restore this backup and everything goes?
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since you are on S-ON forget any pg58img.zip file
in my previous post i gave you a link on how to install 4ext recovery
about restore absolutely yes but don't restore boot partition
note: another way to install 4ext is to install 4ext updater apk
open the apk
select the touch version if you want
it will download it and install it for you
done:good:
rzr86 said:
or follow only step 2 from this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631861
for restore yes you can do also an advanced restore from 4ext recovery except titanium backup
just go to backup/restore->advanced restore and choose data
but don't restore system partition if you are coming from different rom or different base because you will have many fc's
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What exactly do you mean by "except Titanium Backup" ?
What are "fc's" ?
ANd what do you mean by "base" ? Kernel?
bel1eve said:
What exactly do you mean by "except Titanium Backup" ?
What are "fc's" ?
ANd what do you mean by "base" ? Kernel?
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the ability for backup/restore exists in recovery not only in titanium backup app
that's what i mean by "except"
fc's->forceclose
it means when you are opening an app(especially a system app)it crashes immediately
by base i mean a different version of android of the same rom or a completely different rom
kernel is the brain between software and hardware
rzr86 said:
the ability for backup/restore exists in recovery not only in titanium backup app
that's what i mean by "except"
fc's->forceclose
it means when you are opening an app(especially a system app)it crashes immediately
by base i mean a different version of android of the same rom or a completely different rom
kernel is the brain between software and hardware
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@rz86
Thanks for the steps and clarifications. Life got me away from the screen awhile but I've now successfully done what you recommended. Works a charm
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Since I was an android virgin until just before Christmas, I'm still trying to get to grips with all the cool stuff that can be done.
I've rooted the phone and unlocked the bootloader. Everything else is currently stock.
I don't want to go to Clockwork recovery, or Cyanogen/MoDaCo ROMs. Not yet. I'm still savouring the "Google Experience".
However, I have three questions (which may turn into many more ) about flashing new kernels, and I don't want to clog up any specific kernal thread with noob questions.
1) Does flashing a kernel wipe the whole phone the way unlocking the bootloader did?
2) If you're running stock ROM with new kernel, will you still pick up OTA updates as before?
3) How do you get the original kernal back if you don't like the new one (or if it just goes totally tits up)?
Thanks guys
EDIT: Yes, I realise there is a search and this may well have been asked before. But before someone points this out, I'd like to mention that if you do a search for "android kernel", you get approximately 1 bajillion hits...
Mr.Clark said:
Since I was an android virgin until just before Christmas, I'm still trying to get to grips with all the cool stuff that can be done.
I've rooted the phone and unlocked the bootloader. Everything else is currently stock.
I don't want to go to Clockwork recovery, or Cyanogen/MoDaCo ROMs. Not yet. I'm still savouring the "Google Experience".
However, I have three questions (which may turn into many more ) about flashing new kernels, and I don't want to clog up any specific kernal thread with noob questions.
1) Does flashing a kernel wipe the whole phone the way unlocking the bootloader did?
2) If you're running stock ROM with new kernel, will you still pick up OTA updates as before?
3) How do you get the original kernal back if you don't like the new one (or if it just goes totally tits up)?
Thanks guys
EDIT: Yes, I realise there is a search and this may well have been asked before. But before someone points this out, I'd like to mention that if you do a search for "android kernel", you get approximately 1 bajillion hits...
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1) No, you should not wipe anything before flashing a kernel. You should however do a NANDroid backup.
2) You should be able to but it will wipe your kernel.
3) Restore your backup from #1
Mr.Clark said:
Since I was an android virgin until just before Christmas, I'm still trying to get to grips with all the cool stuff that can be done.
I've rooted the phone and unlocked the bootloader. Everything else is currently stock.
I don't want to go to Clockwork recovery, or Cyanogen/MoDaCo ROMs. Not yet. I'm still savouring the "Google Experience".
However, I have three questions (which may turn into many more ) about flashing new kernels, and I don't want to clog up any specific kernal thread with noob questions.
1) Does flashing a kernel wipe the whole phone the way unlocking the bootloader did?
2) If you're running stock ROM with new kernel, will you still pick up OTA updates as before?
3) How do you get the original kernal back if you don't like the new one (or if it just goes totally tits up)?
Thanks guys
EDIT: Yes, I realise there is a search and this may well have been asked before. But before someone points this out, I'd like to mention that if you do a search for "android kernel", you get approximately 1 bajillion hits...
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flashing a kernel doesnt wipe your phone, it simply replaces whatever kernel is in your phone at the moment.
kenvan19 said:
1) No, you should not wipe anything before flashing a kernel. You should however do a NANDroid backup.
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Right. Guess what my next question will be
kenvan19 said:
2) You should be able to but it will wipe your kernel.
3) Restore your backup from #1
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2) Is fine, as once I've figured out how to NANDroid backup, re-flashing it should be easy enough. 3) Is fine, once I've taken the backup in the first place.
simms22 said:
flashing a kernel doesnt wipe your phone, it simply replaces whatever kernel is in your phone at the moment.
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Excellent, thanks!
Ok. So all the NANDroid guides I've seen here start with ADB and Fastboot (which I remember doing when I rooted the phone), but then they say about flashing alternative recovery images... is that necessary? Or is that what the fastboot thing was?
I've just checked and ADB still works, so if fastboot is an alternative recovery image, am I good to take a NANDroid backup, and if so, how do I do that?
If Fastboot is not an appropriate recovery image, do I need Clockwork Recovery (is that different to the "CWM" I see mentioned around here?)?
The Nexus S guide I read said that there was a NANDroid option in the Clockwork Recovery. Now this isn't in my recovery options, obviously, but I assume with ADB, a command prompt and a few instructions, I can do it manually. Maybe.
Bear with me guys, I'll get there eventually...
Ok, scratch the NANDroid questions. NANDroid is a backup tool contained in the Clockwork Mod recovery image.
Using Fastboot, you can boot from the recovery image without flashing it (using this guide here), so I've still got whatever recovery image I got when I did Paul's rooting technique, but have booted into CWM once to do the NANDroid backup.
I may flash CWM later, that's a task for another day.
So. Now I've got the backup (and thus, booting from that image again later, the ability to restore from it), I can try flashing the kernel. Which I can do from the regular recovery image.
Mr.Clark said:
Ok, scratch the NANDroid questions. NANDroid is a backup tool contained in the Clockwork Mod recovery image.
Using Fastboot, you can boot from the recovery image without flashing it (using this guide here), so I've still got whatever recovery image I got when I did Paul's rooting technique, but have booted into CWM once to do the NANDroid backup.
I may flash CWM later, that's a task for another day.
So. Now I've got the backup (and thus, booting from that image again later, the ability to restore from it), I can try flashing the kernel. Which I can do from the regular recovery image.
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To flash from the stock recovery you must rename files update.zip just FYI. I've said it before and I'll say it again; there are no possible negative repercussions from flashing a non-stock recovery image.
Apparently it was unsigned, so the stock recovery wouldn't do anything with it.
Back in CWM and it worked fine. I may have to flash that, it's damned useful...
So now I have a new kernel!
Thanks for all your help
Mr.Clark said:
Apparently it was unsigned, so the stock recovery wouldn't do anything with it.
Back in CWM and it worked fine. I may have to flash that, it's damned useful...
So now I have a new kernel!
Thanks for all your help
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It is very useful indeed! Enjoy your kernel
Ah, am I right in thinking that if I flash CWM, I can't revert back to stock if I want to?
I'm hoping to do nothing permanent at this point...
Mr.Clark said:
Ah, am I right in thinking that if I flash CWM, I can't revert back to stock if I want to?
I'm hoping to do nothing permanent at this point...
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Yes, you can flash back. Not only can you but depending on how you did flash the recovery the phone may revert it on your behalf. I know mine has several times, like any time I reboot. There's ways to stop it from doing that but I don't mind.
To get the stock recovery back if it isn't automatically restoring means flashing an NAND from the Dev section here.
I didn't want to open a new thread just to ask this so I hope it's OK to post it here.
I'm very interested in getting supercurio's voodoo sound and ext4 mod on my Nexus S but I don't need/want the overclocked frequencies and other stuff included on most of the kernels out there. You guys know any kernel that I could flash to get those and keep my stock fequencies?
Thanks
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nicholasbgr said:
I didn't want to open a new thread just to ask this so I hope it's OK to post it here.
I'm very interested in getting supercurio's voodoo sound and ext4 mod on my Nexus S but I don't need/want the overclocked frequencies and other stuff included on most of the kernels out there. You guys know any kernel that I could flash to get those and keep my stock fequencies?
Thanks
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App
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I use overclocked with voodoo and setcpu...you can keep it set to 1000 and not over the stock limit.
Bionix 1.3 is solid and no OC
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nicholasbgr said:
I didn't want to open a new thread just to ask this so I hope it's OK to post it here.
I'm very interested in getting supercurio's voodoo sound and ext4 mod on my Nexus S but I don't need/want the overclocked frequencies and other stuff included on most of the kernels out there. You guys know any kernel that I could flash to get those and keep my stock fequencies?
Thanks
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If you flash the Trinity max kernel and do not adjust the clock you will have everything your asking for. This kernel boots at stock and has Voodoo and ext4 built in.
icandy75 said:
If you flash the Trinity max kernel and do not adjust the clock you will have everything your asking for. This kernel boots at stock and has Voodoo and ext4 built in.
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So your saying the trinity max kernel has voodoo built in?
Sent from my bionix nexus s
mrnexus said:
So your saying the trinity max kernel has voodoo built in?
Sent from my bionix nexus s
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That is exactly what he is saying, yes =)
Thanks guys, I'm gonna take a look at your recommendations as soon as I get some spare time.
Do all the trinitys have voodoo
Sent from my bionix nexus s
mrnexus said:
Do all the trinitys have voodoo
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No, only the most recent ones.
kenvan19 said:
No, only the most recent ones.
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Such as:
Sent from my bionix nexus s
I would like to root my sensation, but before, I want to backup my stock rom, so, in case of problems, I can go back.
But, if I have understood well, in order to perform a Nandroid backup (with ROM Manager, right?), I need to root my phone: it's completely absurd!
If I root my phone, which backup can I do? The stock Rom will gone away and the guarantee too!
Do I miss something?
Another question: I read about some problems with Rom Manager, which are the other methods to do a nandroid backup?
Thanks and sorry for the noob question, but I am a noob and this is my first android phone.
bye!
you will still have stock roms after you have rooted so this is what you have to make a backup from.
Have no issue with rom manager- dont know where u heard that from.
Dont know of any other method other than nandroid to backup rom etc
u can use titanium backup / my backup for apps etc
hth
j.
Well, if i have understood correctly, I root my phone following the step 3 here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300), then with ROM Manager I make a Nandroid backup and finally, if I want, I can install another ROM, am I right?
If u wanna go back 2 stock that's what the ruu's are for
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Here's a guide created by alphadog32 to go back to your specified ROM and s-off or s-on. 10 people said it worked for them.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201773
rive-noob said:
Well, if i have understood correctly, I root my phone following the step 3 here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300), then with ROM Manager I make a Nandroid backup and finally, if I want, I can install another ROM, am I right?
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do a backup before you root
so sequence is (after CWM step is complete)
backup
root
backup (not 100% necessary but saves u having to reroot if u restore a pre root backup)
install custom rom (not necessary - u can stick with stock)
the guide u linked to is great - follow it step by step and u wont go wrong
and enjoy ur unrestricted device
That 'guide' tells you to root but you should only root if you want Stock ROM + Root
If you want a custom ROM (which automatically have root) then you don't need to root your Stock ROM
So you'd want to do this
-Revolutionary- S-OFF > Custom Recovery (but flash it through HBOOT) > Nandroid Backup
Then you have a backup of your stock ROM, unrooted.
You can now manually root your stock ROM if you like.
That 'guide' should really state that root is NOT obligatory if you don't want to stick with your stock ROM.
I've flashed lots and lots of ROMs and played about with my phone so much, but not once have I ever manually rooted.
And don't bother with ROM Manager, just flash the fixed recovery provided in that 'guide' through HBOOT and you should be fine.
All the recovery options, including Nandroid Backup/Restore can be accessed by loading up the bootloader and choosing 'recovery'. No need to do anything through ROM Manager
I want to confirm; we do need to make nandroid for every custom kernal, right? Cause if I remember correctly, if something goes wrong, you cant restore a nandroid that was made from a different kernal than you presently have installed. Correct or incorrect??
asapelectric said:
I want to confirm; we do need to make nandroid for every custom kernal, right? Cause if I remember correctly, if something goes wrong, you cant restore a nandroid that was made from a different kernal than you presently have installed. Correct or incorrect??
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Anyone, please?
asapelectric said:
Anyone, please?
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Never read about this anywhere, but I installed InsertCoin hours ago, and got kernel 2.6.35.14
When I restored a nandoird backup, I got again 2.6.25.10.
Maybe those numbers didn't change? I don't really remember, I hardly remember what I ate 10 mins ago xD
Good luck
claudenegm said:
Never read about this anywhere, but I installed InsertCoin hours ago, and got kernel 2.6.35.14
When I restored a nandoird backup, I got again 2.6.25.10.
Maybe those numbers didn't change? I don't really remember, I hardly remember what I ate 10 mins ago xD
Good luck
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So, maybe what Im remembering is, you can't restore a 2.3.3 backup, if you have rom with 2.3.4 installed, for example.
Shouldn't you be able to access nandroid recovery on a stock out of the box sensation by turning off fastboot and holding volume down and power when turning it on?
I tried on a friends stock sensation but it gave me an error and couldn't find a recovery image....
If I am using this forum improperly or asking too many questions on one thread that don't fit together, please inform me kindly.
Stock on 2.3.4 hboot 1.18 I rooted with revolutionary, and installed teamwin recovery. I am using the newest CM7 from the rootzwiki I believe. This is what I flashed anyway - update-cm-7.1.0-SelfKANG10-Sensation-signed.zip. Now I am 2.3.7 kernel ver 2.6.35.13_CyanogenMod+ [email protected] #1
ROM Manager app is now on my phone, but it says I need Clockwork recovery to use it. I also read through google and forums that just flashing between ROMs you have to have like same kernels and stuff like that, which I am very noob too.
I'm having Google framework FC issues and no GPS on CM7.
I think I want to switch from CM7 to this MIUI zip I got at MIUI.us - MIUI.us_pyramid_1.12.9.01_Eng_Deo_ZipA_Signed.zip
Which recovery SHOULD I be using? If clockwork is way to go, can I just go to my ROM manager app where it says, "flash Clockwork to this phone"?
If I want to change ROMs, what do I need and NOT need to backup? What exactly is "nandroid" back up, is it better than backup apps? Do I need to backup ROMs, and what exactly is that and what is proper way?
Do I have to wipe then restore everytime? Had some issues with this first time from stock sense to CM7, couldn't get Titanium or mybackup pro to restore my apps, and my contacts are quadrupled in size and organized oddly.
What is the best way to switch ROMs, flashing, ROM Manager, something else?
IF I wanted to run only one ROM for lets say 6 months, after I flash it, can I delete that zip from sd card, and phone will still work?
Suggest a ROM for me if you like also
_DavidWebb said:
If I am using this forum improperly or asking too many questions on one thread that don't fit together, please inform me kindly.
Stock on 2.3.4 hboot 1.18 I rooted with revolutionary, and installed teamwin recovery. I am using the newest CM7 from the rootzwiki I believe. This is what I flashed anyway - update-cm-7.1.0-SelfKANG10-Sensation-signed.zip. Now I am 2.3.7 kernel ver 2.6.35.13_CyanogenMod+ [email protected] #1
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So standard CM7, use the CM7 thread here on XDA as the reference.
ROM Manager app is now on my phone, but it says I need Clockwork recovery to use it. I also read through google and forums that just flashing between ROMs you have to have like same kernels and stuff like that, which I am very noob too.
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I personally don't use ROM Manager but use ClockworkMod alot. There is a thread here on CWM 5.0.2.0 somewhere, if I remember I'll add it.
Kernels need to be Compatible with the ROM. This compatibility requitement is in terms of Kernel revision (i.e. old Kernel might not work with a newer ROM). More importantly though there are two basic typed of ROM on the Sensation, namely Sense and AOSP based ones. These two varieties have completely different Kernels so you will need one from that branch. For example Faux makes two Kernel types AOSP (e.g. for CM7 and MIUI) and all the Sense derivatives.
I'm having Google framework FC issues and no GPS on CM7.
I think I want to switch from CM7 to this MIUI zip I got at MIUI.us - MIUI.us_pyramid_1.12.9.01_Eng_Deo_ZipA_Signed.zip
Which recovery SHOULD I be using? If clockwork is way to go, can I just go to my ROM manager app where it says, "flash Clockwork to this phone"?
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I'd just install CWM directly from the PG58IMG.zip file, but as I said I don't use ROM Manager.
If I want to change ROMs, what do I need and NOT need to backup? What exactly is "nandroid" back up, is it better than backup apps? Do I need to backup ROMs, and what exactly is that and what is proper way?
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The Nandroid backup performs a backup of the various phone partitions onto the SD-Card. This allows for a point in time backup and recovery of the phone.
ALWAYS do a Nandroid backup before playing with a new ROM or Kernel, JUST IN CASE **** happens.
Do I have to wipe then restore everytime? Had some issues with this first time from stock sense to CM7, couldn't get Titanium or mybackup pro to restore my apps, and my contacts are quadrupled in size and organized oddly.
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Never had this issue with contacts, I keep all mine synced with gmail. New ROM and they automatically update. I don't often use TB, others can probaby advise.
What is the best way to switch ROMs, flashing, ROM Manager, something else?
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I manually install the ROM Zip from CWM then wipe cache, Dalvik Cache and Fix permissions, YMMV.
IF I wanted to run only one ROM for lets say 6 months, after I flash it, can I delete that zip from sd card, and phone will still work?
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Yes
Suggest a ROM for me if you like also
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Depends if you want a Sense or ASOP based phone.
Ok ill try to hit all the points for you. First you can use any recovery you like (cwm, twrp, 4ext) but Rom manager will only work with cwm. You can get to your recovery 2 ways, either hold the power button and select reboot then recovery (note some roms don't have this) second power off your phone completely and hold vol down and power until you get to hboot and select recovery (note fastboot must be turned off in settings). Personally I don't recommend using Rom manager to flash your roms go to the recovery itself.
Flashing roms: it is recommended to wipe data wipe cache and wipe dalvik cache (its sometimes found under advanced like in cwm) and when you get that part down it isn't always neccesary but wipe system partition... Never ever wipe anything else... Unless your cleaning your battery stats but let's stick to the basics.
If you are just flashing an update to a Rom sometimes you don't have to wipe anything (i.e. cm7 v9 flashing to cm7 v10) but anytime you change Rom bases always wipe. Especially if you are going from cm7 to a sense 3 Rom and also sense 3.5 and vice versa. Also there are several superwipe files from several devs. I suggest using one of these. All you do is flash it like a Rom in recovery. They automatically wipe for you.
Kernels are labeled with the base you need I.e cm7 or sense review the kernels threads for more info.
Next, if you haven't wiped and tried a couple Roms that explains the contact problems and GPS issues.
A nandroid put simply is just a backup of your current Rom. Go to backup in your recovery and backup your current Rom. Is saves every little bit of your current Rom. You need to do this in case something goes wrong or if you don't like the new one. Then you can simply restore it if you need to.
After you flash a Rom it is in your phones memory. You can delete it off your sdcard no problems, unless you want to flash it again at another time. You can also delete old nandroids if you need to just keep at least the last one you made. They are large sometimes.
I have used about every Rom here I suggest mikes hdrevolution or cdtdroids Roms if you don't want cm7 (which is often referred to as aosp) if you want to try another aosp Rom try hypersensation it works good too.
And you used this forum perfectly asking questions in the q&a good job some people don't get that.
Edit: he beat me to the answers while I was typing lol. Also I hate autocorrect had to clean up my post hope it didn't confuse you.
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The Nandroid backup performs a backup of the various phone partitions onto the SD-Card. This allows for a point in time backup and recovery of the phone.
ALWAYS do a Nandroid backup before playing with a new ROM or Kernel said:
I also can't get the multi quote to work like you did, how does that work lol?
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Ok, this forum is awesome, and I will defintely check out the other forums for kernels and other topics. I am understanding most of your replies, but as you see I get other questions from some answers lol. I did just wipe everything(data factory reset) again, and installed the MIUI and when I signed in my google on setup, all my apps started downloading from market and my contacts were all there in a little bit better fashion than before. Also, when I put CM7 that was my FIRST ROM and immediately after my FIRST time attempting and successfully doing a root s-off. Now MIUI makes my 2nd ROM. I'm sure if I hang around here enough I'll get the hang of it all and start to figure it all out better. I vultured around these forums for 4 months with a stock phone before I did anything, and my phone isn't bricked so I'm happy about that.
For some more detail try checking out the stickies in the development section there are some awesome guides and answers there too.
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hello and sorry for the same questions asked over the same issue...
its my first time and im afraid to brick my phone
anyway now im with custom rom and want to go back to stock to receive ota updates.
my phone is rooted and s-off i want to stay s-off with stock rom.
1. is it possible ?
2. will i need to wipe data before the flash?
3. backup needed ?
4. will i get ota updates with stock rom s-off?
5. the ruu is europe 1.47 do i need it to match to my software/radio/hboot?
my phone:
SAGA PVT SHIP S-off RL
HBOOT -0.98.0002
RADIO-3805.06.02.03_M
EMMC-boot
@yonigo870
Since you want to stay s-off and a stock rom then....
1) Yes if you don't want need OTA. No if you want ota
2) Yes
3) If you want to restore your apps/data yes, google SHOULD be okay with contacts/calendar
4) Dont be silly, really, DONT TRY STOCK THINGS ON ALTERED PHONES, thats common sense (at least it should be)
5) You will not use a RUU, you wil use a pre rooted stock rom from the development forum
However, if you want to get ota updates you will need to go s-on and use a RUU, I suggest just getting the latest RUU
My suggesttion, rather leave your phone as is and install a stock pre rooted rom, you can always install the latest stock rom when the OTA is released and its made into a prerooted rom.
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@yonigo870
Since you want to stay s-off and a stock rom then....
1) Yes if you don't want need OTA. No if you want ota
2) Yes
3) If you want to restore your apps/data yes, google SHOULD be okay with contacts/calendar
4) Dont be silly, really, DONT TRY STOCK THINGS ON ALTERED PHONES, thats common sense (at least it should be)
5) You will not use a RUU, you wil use a pre rooted stock rom from the development forum
However, if you want to get ota updates you will need to go s-on and use a RUU, I suggest just getting the latest RUU
My suggesttion, rather leave your phone as is and install a stock pre rooted rom, you can always install the latest stock rom when the OTA is released and its made into a prerooted rom.
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@foX2delta i agree with you
@yonigo870 flashing a ruu can actually force you into a bootloop if you flash the wrong RUU the best wasy to get to stock is to flash a pre-rooted stock ROM
heres both links to the RUU and pre-rooted stock ROMs
RUU http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002506
pre-rooted http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1183684
i hope i have helped
thanks
thanks for the help !
how do i flash pre rooted roms?
and witch one i need???
and the other thing is, if i want to flash one of the custom roms via rom manager how do i flash the updates ? will it be the same way? do i need to change anything else or i can just backup and flash rom?!
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thanks for the help !
how do i flash pre rooted roms?
and witch one i need???
and the other thing is, if i want to flash one of the custom roms via rom manager how do i flash the updates ? will it be the same way? do i need to change anything else or i can just backup and flash rom?!
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here is a few guides to help with that question i don't know anything about rom manager sorry i use 4ext touch recovery
Custom ROMS:
Custom roms can be found in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1146601 or head to the development section.
(Most of these ROMs are pre-rooted, which means that you don't need to root your phone after flashing one of the custom ROM.)
How To: Flash Custom ROMs using Recovery (Method 1)
(You can use your default recovery from Revolutionary tool but I recommend using 4EXTRecovery)
1. Copy your custom ROM "zip" file to your SD card (Root directory).
2. Turn off your phone.
3. Turn on your phone by holding the power button and the volume down button together.
4. Once you see the white screen, choose "Recovery"
5. Make a full wipe/format and clear all cache.
6. Choose "install from sdcard/zip file" and then choose your Custom ROM zip file from your SD card to flash your Custom ROM.
Optional: If you want to use 4EXTRecovery, just flash it like you are flashing your custom ROM(Step 6). Just do it before you flash your new ROM.
How To: Flash Custom ROMs using ROM Manager (Method 2)
(This method might be easier for flashing ROM updates or add-ons)
1. Go to ROM Manager (You can install this software from the Android Market.)
2. If you want to use 4EXTRecovery, please follow steps below, and if you're not using 4EXTRecovery, please skip to step 6)
3. Press your phone's option's button and choose Manual Flash Override.
4. Press OK and choose your phone model.
5. Choose ClockworkMod 3.x (After these steps, your ROM Manager won't ask you to flash new recovery again when flashing new a ROM)
6. Reboot into Recovery and make a full wipe/format and clear all cache then reboot.
7. Now, from your ROM Manager, choose Install ROM from SD Card.
Note: Flashing ROMs can be vary, some custom ROMs may require you to flash some of their own file first. Eg, The LBC Mod ROM requires you to flash "WIPE zip file" before flashing the ROM. Read their instructions carefully to know more.
NOTE: I am not responsible for any faulty or bricked devices after S-OFF or flashing new ROMs. Do it at your own risk.
How To: Flash a ROM in a "Perfect" Way (Method 3 - Recommended)
A great guide from vampire36 for people who encounter the following problems:
1. The ROM you flashed gets stuck on HTC screen (bootloop) while the same ROM works right for others
2. You get the same kernel and radio yet you find your cell to have more battery drain than others
3. Finally some strange force closes and restarts but works perfect for others
So this is basically one of the most perfect way to flash a custom ROM and is a way to help people who face such issues.
Please head to : http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1257731 to see full instructions and discussions.
Blush91 said:
@foX2delta i agree with you
@yonigo870 flashing a ruu can actually force you into a bootloop if you flash the wrong RUU the best wasy to get to stock is to flash a pre-rooted stock ROM
heres both links to the RUU and pre-rooted stock ROMs
RUU http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002506
pre-rooted http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1183684
i hope i have helped
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You can enter a boot-loop but I've flashed ROMs too many times to remember (stock & MOD) and never truly boot-looped. You may soft-brick your phone however, but with remedy. Rooting phones & flashing ROMs isn't for the faint-hearted. My phone was dead for almost 48 hours (within 24 hours of purchase). That's how I joined XDA.
Scary. Turned out it wasn't hopeless. Within an hour of Temp Root, I had self-styled flashed CWM Recovery (haven't run into the gung-ho method I crafted yet, at least on these forums), proceeded to acquire Permanent Root afterwards and within the week had flashed 4 ROMs. Invented a few tricks myself .
Point is you have to get your hands dirty. That's why you bought the darn phone in the first place! Pull your gloves & get those hands dirty!
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You can enter a boot-loop but I've flashed ROMs too many times to remember (stock & MOD) and never truly boot-looped. You may soft-brick your phone however, but with remedy. Rooting phones & flashing ROMs isn't for the faint-hearted. My phone was dead for almost 48 hours (within 24 hours of purchase). That's how I joined XDA.
Scary. Turned out it wasn't hopeless. Within an hour of Temp Root, I had self-styled flashed CWM Recovery (haven't run into the gung-ho method I crafted yet, at least on these forums), proceeded to acquire Permanent Root and within the week had flashed 4 ROMs. Invented a few tricks myself .
Point is you have to get your hands dirty. That's why you bought the darn phone in the first place! Pull your gloves & get those hands dirty!
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yes i've flashed many roms also and have never encountered a boot-loop the only time i got a boot-loop was when i flashed the wrong RUU in the past 48 hours i've changed roms about 20 times
flashing pre rooted stock rom
in progress...
hope i wont fu*k my phone at the very first time im doing this
btw im doing that with rom manager
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in progress...
hope i wont fu*k my phone at the very first time im doing this
btw im doing that with rom manager
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Loooool don't worry that's what's xda is for were all here to help
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no wifi
flashed Saga_Europe_2.10.401.8_heb made by dmatik
and no wifi !!! how to fix it ?
the other thing is that i cant connect to market ...
and how do i restore titanium backup if i cant find the program on my apps ?
the phone updates himself ??? i see it updates programs from the market without me doing anything
* do i need to reboot the phone after flashing rom ??? and how ?
yonigo870 said:
flashed Saga_Europe_2.10.401.8_heb made by dmatik
and no wifi !!! how to fix it ?
the other thing is that i cant connect to market ...
and how do i restore titanium backup if i cant find the program on my apps ?
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I don't know much about titanium I use app extractor try this ROM http://db.tt/Wnl7ZrKa
App extractor restores your apps contacts wifi settings SMS from your nandroid(backup)
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many thanks for the help !!!!
do i need to reboot after flashing ?
Yeah reboot I hope you made a full wipe before flashing sorry should have told you earlier
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yeah i did full wipe
after flashing rom the phone made updates from the market by himself, and now im restoring via titanium and seems like everything is ok...
after that titanium asked me to reboot, and so i did.
again thanks a lot for the support and for the help !!!!!!!!
problem !!! the rosie utility stopped unexpectedly...
htc widgets (like clock and weather) not working after restoring with titanium!
maybe its since the backup was on sense 2.1 and now its 3.0
how can make the htc widgets work ???
reboot back into recovery and fix permissions i dont know if you can do that in titanium
solved !!!
all was needed is to clear data from the htc sense
Just got my first device rooted.
Now i have installed a ROM.
I feel awesome.
But then i read this
"With ROM Manager you can back up your existing ROM, flash new ROMs, and install custom themes or kernels. It features a long list of ROMs which is frequently updated and you can install ROMs to the SD card or OTA (over the air). If you want to unlock features like premium ROMs, update notifications, and automatic backups, then you’ll need to spring for the premium version."
So now i am trying to figure out what custome themes are and what custom kernels are compared to the Avatar ROM i installed.
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Just got my first device rooted.
Now i have installed a ROM.
I feel awesome.
But then i read this
"With ROM Manager you can back up your existing ROM, flash new ROMs, and install custom themes or kernels. It features a long list of ROMs which is frequently updated and you can install ROMs to the SD card or OTA (over the air). If you want to unlock features like premium ROMs, update notifications, and automatic backups, then you’ll need to spring for the premium version."
So now i am trying to figure out what custome themes are and what custom kernels are compared to the Avatar ROM i installed.
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Now let me put this simple. The ROM is the operating system of your device (OS). You know what a theme is. Its just changing the way things look can be your icons, interface shade/colour,etc. Its just visuals. And the next is kernel. Kernels are the thing which links your OS and hardware. Literally they are responsible for the way your phone behaves. Custom kernels has tweaks whicj can improve your device's performance, the battery drain, way your processor's I/O works.. It helps you to do things like over clock and under clock,etc. But it is risky as your manufacturer has made a stable kernel for your device and these custom kernels may be unstable. Sure thing you dont want to mess with em unless you know what you are doing. Now as you have choice to do things like changing ROMs and Kernels using Rom manager, i would recommend you to use CWM and flash zip files which has ROMs and Kernels made specifically for your device as this is more safe. But be sure to have a backup as installing something not meant for your device will brick it. Dont worry. Have a backup and also Odin with stock rom incase its really hard bricked. If it helped hit thanks button plz..
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Now let me put this simple. The ROM is the operating system of your device (OS). You know what a theme is. Its just changing the way things look can be your icons, interface shade/colour,etc. Its just visuals. And the next is kernel. Kernels are the thing which links your OS and hardware. Literally they are responsible for the way your phone behaves. Custom kernels has tweaks whicj can improve your device's performance, the battery drain, way your processor's I/O works.. It helps you to do things like over clock and under clock,etc. But it is risky as your manufacturer has made a stable kernel for your device and these custom kernels may be unstable. Sure thing you dont want to mess with em unless you know what you are doing. Now as you have choice to do things like changing ROMs and Kernels using Rom manager, i would recommend you to use CWM and flash zip files which has ROMs and Kernels made specifically for your device as this is more safe. But be sure to have a backup as installing something not meant for your device will brick it. Dont worry. Have a backup and also Odin with stock rom incase its really hard bricked. If it helped hit thanks button plz..
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Awesome now i have a good hint of what each thing are.
Now this lead me to some more questions.
Since i have already rooted my device. I have installed Avatar ROM and tested some others...
But i never made any backups... Is it to late for that?
Is my best choice to download Titanium Backup and backup everything with that application?
You said something else about Odin, how to backup aswell with that?
What is CWM and how does it differ from Rom Manager?
When i install a ROM i download a zip file, put it on my device SD card
Boot the phone in and wipe data, wipe cache, wipe delvik (or whatever it is called) and last install the new .zp file.
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Awesome now i have a good hint of what each thing are.
Now this lead me to some more questions.
Since i have already rooted my device. I have installed Avatar ROM and tested some others...
But i never made any backups... Is it to late for that?
Is my best choice to download Titanium Backup and backup everything with that application?
You said something else about Odin, how to backup aswell with that?
What is CWM and how does it differ from Rom Manager?
When i install a ROM i download a zip file, put it on my device SD card
Boot the phone in and wipe data, wipe cache, wipe delvik (or whatever it is called) and last install the new .zp file.
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CWM is clockword mod recovery. An advanced recovery which has more options than stock recovery. I guess you already has cwm. Probably it must be what you used to flash the Rom and clear cache. Now to Titanium backup, it backs up the whole phone, so do cwm. As we use CWM for our flashing and other things, cwm backups should be enough unless you got space on your sd to have many backup files. And if your phone is working perfectly right now then its never late to take a cwm backup as if you ever encounter a bootloop while tweaking, you can restore your phone. Sometimes even cwm fails to fix your phone. This is where Odin comes in handy. Odin is a pc software which can be used to flash the stock Rom of your device. You can search and find the Stock Rom for your device and region if you google. You can find how to flash using odin guides out there. Flashing stock rom via odin will remove every traces of ever tweaking your phone which includes rooting, flashing of custom roms and kernels,etc. Your device will be just like when you bought it. This is helpful when you want to take your phone to service centres as rooting and doing other stuffs will void your warranty. Hopes this helps...
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CWM is clockword mod recovery. An advanced recovery which has more options than stock recovery. I guess you already has cwm. Probably it must be what you used to flash the Rom and clear cache. Now to Titanium backup, it backs up the whole phone, so do cwm. As we use CWM for our flashing and other things, cwm backups should be enough unless you got space on your sd to have many backup files. And if your phone is working perfectly right now then its never late to take a cwm backup as if you ever encounter a bootloop while tweaking, you can restore your phone. Sometimes even cwm fails to fix your phone. This is where Odin comes in handy. Odin is a pc software which can be used to flash the stock Rom of your device. You can search and find the Stock Rom for your device and region if you google. You can find how to flash using odin guides out there. Flashing stock rom via odin will remove every traces of ever tweaking your phone which includes rooting, flashing of custom roms and kernels,etc. Your device will be just like when you bought it. This is helpful when you want to take your phone to service centres as rooting and doing other stuffs will void your warranty. Hopes this helps...
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Thank you.
I can tho not figure out how to know for sure if i have CWM or not. I have no apps called that.
And how do i do a CWM backup if i can start CWM some other way than using an app icon ?
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Thank you.
I can tho not figure out how to know for sure if i have CWM or not. I have no apps called that.
And how do i do a CWM backup if i can start CWM some other way than using an app icon ?
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CWM is a shell and not an app and it cannot be installed on android os so you cant access it through your Rom but you can run it whenever you need it but through stock recovery. CWM comes as a .zip file which should be selected from stock recovery or in other words flash it. It will open cwm recovery. And you can access advanced recovery options which stock recovery doesn support. Well search and download cwm for your device, place it sd card root(not inside any folder), run it using install update option on your stock recovery, it will open cwm which will be in yellow colour themed. Select backup and restore opt in it and select backup. That will take care of taking full backup of your device.
haridevil99 said:
CWM is a shell and not an app and it cannot be installed on android os so you cant access it through your Rom but you can run it whenever you need it but through stock recovery. CWM comes as a .zip file which should be selected from stock recovery or in other words flash it. It will open cwm recovery. And you can access advanced recovery options which stock recovery doesn support. Well search and download cwm for your device, place it sd card root(not inside any folder), run it using install update option on your stock recovery, it will open cwm which will be in yellow colour themed. Select backup and restore opt in it and select backup. That will take care of taking full backup of your device.
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Awesome, this thread have cleared many small things that come as so obvious for those that have done this for some time.
Perfect for me to quick understand what I am reading in threads and other sources.
I have now a CWM backup, Titan Backup and installed Odin and found my stock ROM to use if things goes to ****.
behedwin said:
Awesome, this thread have cleared many small things that come as so obvious for those that have done this for some time.
Perfect for me to quick understand what I am reading in threads and other sources.
I have now a CWM backup, Titan Backup and installed Odin and found my stock ROM to use if things goes to ****.
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Well.. Thats good to hear. And there was none other than me. And anyway a small precaution, never interrupt while you are flashing through Odin coz it will hard brick your device which is literally R.I.P to your device.