Anyway to get the old talk.apk to work with KitKat? - Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Basically what the title says. Tried installing by pushing and by regular all install.

I answered my own question and got it to install finally. Basically if any aspect of the new hangouts is present it won't install. I'm currently running minimus with the banks core gapps and it installed. This is a very light ROM that I went even further to debloat and it finally allowed me to install talk.

Now it won't sign into Google anyone out there know why? Could be from the services needed that aren't installed.

As Hangouts replaced Google Talk, I suspect Google no longer allow people to sign into Talk from versions of Android that have Hangouts compatibility.
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incredulous said:
As Hangouts replaced Google Talk, I suspect Google no longer allow people to sign into Talk from versions of Android that have Hangouts compatibility.
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this...
also, why be so resistant to change?

Lucke said:
this...
also, why be so resistant to change?
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Because talk was nicer to use and I liked separating my talk convos from my SMS and also it didn't require Google services to be enabled. My main reason was for disabling g services

davwman said:
Because talk was nicer to use and I liked separating my talk convos from my SMS and also it didn't require Google services to be enabled. My main reason was for disabling g services
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you can always install a 3rd party (or AOSP) MMS.apk and have them seperate
and aren't G services required for pretty much everything these days...i remember when i disabled G services on my galaxy nexus and the phone was pretty much un-usable with anything google related.

Apparently its required even for the play store now. I've given up and succumbed to googles play services way. Oh well

Play Store has always attempted to update Google Talk if you had it installed over Hangout, but didn't make it an absolute requirement that you have to update the app. I either ignored the update or had it detached from market using TitaniumBackup.
The old Google Talk apk was working fine on Nexus 4 Jelly Bean - could install could sign-in.
Now on KitKat - can install but cannot sign in anymore.
Seems like Google went one up with KitKat and remove Google Talk support for KitKat totally.
Not that I don't like Hangouts, but it does not support XMPP, and does not allow me to chat with my Google contacts on Lync anymore.
Any workarounds for KitKat?

Been having the same issues - versions that worked perfectly on 4.3 don't sign-in on KK. Haven't found any work arounds yet

Figured it out, I think
So, I have followed the same procedure I used for installing Talk APK on 4.3 (I'm running Cyanogenmod 11, previously 10.2, on a Samsung Galaxy S1):
1) Acquire Talk.apk
2) Open terminal, become root (su)
3) run "mount -o rw,remount /system" (no quotes) to remount /system as writable
4) go to /system/app ("cd /system/app/")
5) Now copy your Talk.apk here from wherever it is. For me it was "cp /sdcard/Bluetooth/Talk.apk ." (last dot indicates here and can also be replaced with /system/app/ if you so wish)
6) Now make sure Talk.apk here is owned by root only: "chown root.root Talk.apk"
7) Now make sure it has correct permissions: "chmod 644 Talk.apk"
Normally this will be enough and you'd reboot your phone, after which it happily installs Talk and you're good to go. However, the presence of Hangouts complicates the issue. We're going to remove it!
8) In the same /system/app/ folder, run "rm -r Hangouts.apk"
9) NOW reboot your phone! (can simply execute "reboot" command straight from the terminal)
10) Your phone will reboot and install Talk APK upon boot. Caution: if your Hangouts app was disabled, like mine was, Talk will be too, and you will have to go to Settings>Apps>Disabled and re-enable it.
EDIT: Apparently I can't read and the whole thread is about not being able to sign in, which is the problem for me as well (and actually started two days ago while I was still on 4.3). My apologies >_<

VengefulAncient said:
So, I have followed the same procedure I used for installing Talk APK on 4.3 (I'm running Cyanogenmod 11, previously 10.2, on a Samsung Galaxy S1):
1) Acquire Talk.apk
2) Open terminal, become root (su)
3) run "mount -o rw,remount /system" (no quotes) to remount /system as writable
4) go to /system/app ("cd /system/app/")
5) Now copy your Talk.apk here from wherever it is. For me it was "cp /sdcard/Bluetooth/Talk.apk ." (last dot indicates here and can also be replaced with /system/app/ if you so wish)
6) Now make sure Talk.apk here is owned by root only: "chown root.root Talk.apk"
7) Now make sure it has correct permissions: "chmod 644 Talk.apk"
Normally this will be enough and you'd reboot your phone, after which it happily installs Talk and you're good to go. However, the presence of Hangouts complicates the issue. We're going to remove it!
8) In the same /system/app/ folder, run "rm -r Hangouts.apk"
9) NOW reboot your phone! (can simply execute "reboot" command straight from the terminal)
10) Your phone will reboot and install Talk APK upon boot. Caution: if your Hangouts app was disabled, like mine was, Talk will be too, and you will have to go to Settings>Apps>Disabled and re-enable it.
EDIT: Apparently I can't read and the whole thread is about not being able to sign in, which is the problem for me as well (and actually started two days ago while I was still on 4.3). My apologies >_<
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Hopefully somebody can figure it out. I refuse to upgrade until my Talk is working

I found this thread searching google for an answer. Also can't sign in. Glad to see I'm not alone...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2377868 is another thread about this. Looks like Google is blocking Talk sign-in from KitKat on purpose and there's no way to go back (but it DOES work on older Android versions) for now... or ever

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[Q] Lost GTalk, and hence Market, need help to reinstall

After I installed app2card, the gtalk has gone crazy, it closes immediately on start. I tried "fix FC" of app2card, didn't work. Then tried to re-install data (and later wipe data) from Titanium backup, that didn't work. Only way looks like if I can uninstall and reinstall these apps. If someone is kind enough to pass me corresponding apks, it'll be extremely helpful.
I don't use gtalk much but problem is, in its absence, Market stopped working.
TIA
Hy!
I dont know if it helps you but if you switch to Settings/Software and Activate the "Install Software from Unknown Locations" (Einstellungen/Anwendungen/Unbekannte Quellen) you can install apps from your Browser.....i Used this too because my Market is also dead.....
Unfortunately in that mechanism also the final installation is done by market which is broken for me. My only hope is probably to reinstall stock apps so requesting if someone please post stock gtalkservice.apk Talk.apk Talkprovider.apk?
[Solved]
So gtalk wasn't crashing, it somehow couldn't read my gmail credentials. It'd exit immediately with "ERROR/GTalkService(171): createGTalkConnection: account is null!", and therefore Market etc also wouldn't work. So finally what I had to do is to delete /data/system/accounts.db ... then reboot (wasn't required) and fired gtalk -- and it asked for my google a/c details and started working.
kousik said:
So gtalk wasn't crashing, it somehow couldn't read my gmail credentials. It'd exit immediately with "ERROR/GTalkService(171): createGTalkConnection: account is null!", and therefore Market etc also wouldn't work. So finally what I had to do is to delete /data/system/accounts.db ... then reboot (wasn't required) and fired gtalk -- and it asked for my google a/c details and started working.
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Ok, I had very same issues. I have installed App2SD application as it was explained by this Vietnamese guy on his forum. Then I started the application, made 2 partitions and then moved my apps to SD. It took me couple of tries to do it, but I finally managed to run apps from my SD.
So, after that, since I uninstalled a lot of application before (due to lack of internal memory), I wanted to download many of them from the Market, but I got stucked with "Starting Download" message. So, I started to search for the answers - stopped Market, cleared the cache and data and at one moment I uninstalled Market updates (that was suggested by sombody on some forum). After that, I lost my market application. Then, I reinstalled it from /system/app/Vending.apk, but now it won't start, but it is giving me the message "A server error has occured...". Then, I saw that Market and Gtalk are closely connected (I haven't no idea about it), so I have read somewhere that I should log out from Gtalk and then logged in again. My Gtalk app won't start, but it keeps returning me to home screen. Also, I went to /system/app - but when I wanted to Launch Gtalk - it gives me the message that Activity com.google.android.apps.gtalkservice was not found.
I tried to delete accounts.db as you suggested, but my Terminal Emulator application is not working... Any clues?
EDIT: I uninstalled Terminal Emulator and installed Better Terminal Emulator (because I had it on my laptop) and removed accounts.db. After that I had to recreate the account, but my gtalk works, as well as Market

[Q] google voice not wanting to move in newest gapps

typically, i keep a set of the latest apks i use in a file, and they include all the google apps. I do this because when i flash, that way i don't have to download all the google apps over the air since service in Maui is awful. also, it is easier to send someone who doesn't know how to update their phone one file to flash rather than several.
however, recently Google Voice doesn't seem to want to be recognized when it is moved to /system/app, and when it is there it doesn't work at all even if you reinstall it. it won't show up in the app drawer until it is reinstalled, and after that, it will open but won't download any messages.
any thoughts anyone? did the fix_permissions through ROM manager and fix uid mismatches through Amon, and checked /data/system/packages.xml, and it all looks good but won't work.
ideas?

[Q] Bought Ainol Elf, Android 4.0.1 tablet. did not come with Google Framework...

So I got this beautiful little tablet sitting in front of me, but it does not have the Google Services Framework so none of the Google apps are on it.
What do you suggest is the best way to get the Google apps installed (Google Account, GMail, Market, Maps)?
Thanks
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Latest_Version/Google_Apps
Thanks for the link.
But, how do I get these files into their system folders, the filemanager on the tablet only has access to the SD card.
Probably a noob question, but if you could explain that would be fantastic.
Can you adb into it? Probably you'll have to adb push the files in the correct locations...
I'm waiting for mine to arrive (shipped yesterday from China) so I'll have to deal with this too
submitted
just looking for this, so if you solve your issue it will be a good thing for me too...
http://chinamobiles.org/downloads/zap/MarketFix.zip
must have adb installed. did not make. self explanatory
run this
http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/272...t-for-all-allwinner-a10-tablet-ics-firmwares/
(follow instruction in the DL)
gets GAPPS on there for ya.

"Unfortunately google play store has stopped": what to do (general)

There are a gazillion threads on this topic, but most of them are about device-specific or carrier-specific problems. However google play store can stop for a number of reasons that are more generic. Googling them is a pain in the butt, as I recently discovered. This thread is intended as a place to collect them together. As well as checking here, it would be important to check on threads for your specific device and carrier, as they may have pushed a bad version.
Cause: Part-installed apps: something went wrong part-way through installing an app
Checking: Check in google play; if it says 'downloading' or 'installing' permanently, something is amiss
Solution: Try uninstalling the app (you may be able to reinstall it successfully afterward)
Cause: /mnt/sdcard is full
Checking: If you have a terminal, use the "df" command, otherwise use a capable file viewer
Solution: On a terminal, "cd /mnt/sdcard", then "du -s (dirname)" to check sizes, "rm -r (dirname)" to remove something (or use 'mv (dirname) /mnt/external_sd if you have an external sd card with some space). On a file viewer, move or remove relevant directories. You can't avoid this: if your sd card is full, you're definitely going to have to remove something (or move it to your external card) - the system isn't going to work with a full card. USE WITH CARE EITHER WAY. Whatever you remove cannot be retrieved, and removing the wrong thing can make your system or applications misbehave.
Cause: Corrupted data
Checking: Try the solutions in increasing order of severity.
Solution:
Go into Settings, then apps, then All, click on Google Play Store. Then:
Clear cache, Force stop, restart Google Play and retry​
Go into Settings, then apps, then All, click on Google Play Store. Then:
Clear data, Force stop, restart Google Play and retry​
Go into Settings, then Accounts and Sync, Click on your account, then on options icon, Remove account (ignore warnings - it's easy to restore)
Restart Google Play. It will ask you to add an account - add your original back in.​
Cause: Corrupted binaries
Checking: Not sure how...
Solution: Install an updated binary. This thread always seems to have the latest. But you should probably check your device and vendor lists in case there is a device-specific binary (I think the more specific binaries currently just add a different skin, but further information would be good). You may also need to reinstall google play services (thanks jpeg1900)
Or:
"I just reflashed the same gapps in CWM over the first installation, rebooted and had to wait a few minutes before Play Store actually started working again." - Thanks Nephatiu (see below).
Please feel free to add further info below. I'll try to incorporate all good nuggets into this post.
PS anyone know a better way to do tables in this wiki?
play store error at download
urilabob said:
There are a gazillion threads on this topic, but most of them are about device-specific or carrier-specific problems. However google play store can stop for a number of reasons that are more generic. Googling them is a pain in the butt, as I recently discovered. This thread is intended as a place to collect them together. As well as checking here, it would be important to check on threads for your specific device and carrier, as they may have pushed a bad version.
Cause: /mnt/sdcard is full
Checking: If you have a terminal, use the "df" command, otherwise use a capable file viewer
Solution: On a terminal, "cd /mnt/sdcard", then "du -s (dirname)" to check sizes, "rm -r (dirname)" to remove it. On a file viewer, remove relevant directories. USE WITH CARE EITHER WAY.
Cause: Corrupted data
Checking: Try the solutions in increasing order of severity.
Solution:
Go into Settings, then apps, then All, click on Google Play Store. Then:
Clear cache, Force stop, restart Google Play and retry​
Go into Settings, then apps, then All, click on Google Play Store. Then:
Clear data, Force stop, restart Google Play and retry​
Go into Settings, then Accounts and Sync, Click on your account, then on options icon, Remove account (ignore warnings - it's easy to restore)
Restart Google Play. It will ask you to add an account - add your original back in.​
Cause: Corrupted binaries
Checking: Not sure how...
Solution: Install an updated binary. This thread always seems to have the latest. But you should probably check your device and vendor lists in case there is a device-specific binary (I think the more specific binaries currently just add a different skin, but further information would be good).
Please feel free to add further info below. I'll try to incorporate all good nuggets into this post.
PS anyone know a better way to do tables in this wiki?
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hi there,
i have some problems with play store at all. play store is runing well - BUT, if i like to download an app, the download never starts. it says "donloading" but there is no percentage.
after ~ 15 mins an error is on the display.
any idea?
Play Store hanging on download
Ralf-0815 said:
hi there,
i have some problems with play store at all. play store is runing well - BUT, if i like to download an app, the download never starts. it says "donloading" but there is no percentage.
after ~ 15 mins an error is on the display.
any idea?
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Not sure. I had a similar problem at one time, and eventually discovered it was due to a specific app that had only half-installed itself (perhaps the tab had crashed halfway through the download, not sure, it's lost in the mists of time). Uninstalling that app got over the problem. However it might help someone (perhaps you) if you post the error message that you get on the display (people are likely to google it, so that you might get together with other people with the same problem).
I had issues with the Play Store earlier today and tried clearing the app cache and data to no avail, but found another simple fix. I uninstalled updates from version 3.8.15 back to 3.7.15. Worked like a charm.
Well, my Play Store recently crashed during updates, after which it wouldn't run any longer anymore stating that same message every time I try running it and also every time an app accesses the store for information (which seems to happen when I just open the apps). My sdcard wasn't full, clearing data and cache did nothing, no other data is corrupted, I replaced the market with a fresh copy apk, tried different versions, ... Nothing worked... So, reading the internet, I saw the final solution was to remove and re-add my Google account, but for some reason (not a rational one) I didn't really want to do this, so I went back to CWM recovery mode, reflashed the gapps zip I used the first time and rebooted... Once booted it didn't give me the error I usually get on any other boot since it started crashing, but when I tried running Play Store, it crashed again with the same message... Defeated I went to my Google accounts to remove, at which point (just before doing anything) I noticed the Updates-notification of the Play Store popping up in my notification drawer. I tapped it and Play Store booted, everything works again, and it updated itself back to the latest version, still without any problems.
So in short, if you don't ant to read the entire text:
I just reflashed the same gapps in CWM over the first installation, rebooted and had to wait a few minutes before Play Store actually started working again.
Dunno if this will work for anyone of you, 'cause it depends on the reason it's not working, but this possible solution should not be missing from your list since it worked for at least one person (me).
Greetz,
~ Nephatiu
Hotspot Shield VPN 1.3
just download Hotspot Shield VPN 1.3
http://www.androiddrawer.com/11257/download-hotspot-shield-vpn-1-3-app-apk/
and google play store will work again
What does Hotspot Shield VPN 1.3 have to do with Google Play not working?
That is an app which creates a VPN so you can access sites that are locked or not authorized.
Personally I went into Settings than Application Manager, then ALL, then Google Play Store.
After that i cleared all the data, force stopped the app and restarted it again.
It worked nicely.
alleshi said:
just download Hotspot Shield VPN 1.3
http://www.androiddrawer.com/11257/download-hotspot-shield-vpn-1-3-app-apk/
and google play store will work again
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urilabob said:
Cause: Corrupted data
Checking: Try the solutions in increasing order of severity.
Solution:
Go into Settings, then apps, then All, click on Google Play Store. Then:
Clear cache, Force stop, restart Google Play and retry​
Go into Settings, then apps, then All, click on Google Play Store. Then:
Clear data, Force stop, restart Google Play and retry​
Go into Settings, then Accounts and Sync, Click on your account, then on options icon, Remove account (ignore warnings - it's easy to restore)
Restart Google Play. It will ask you to add an account - add your original back in.​
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seems point 3 fixes it for me, but as soon as im back on the play store and starting to download something it just starts over again with the error message. Any ideas?
Not even sure how to describe this one..
Hardware: ASUS ME301T (MeMo Smart Pad 10)
Version: 4.2.1 (10.6.1.29, but it was happening on 10.6.1.25 as well)
Rooted, SuperSU installed for the multi-user support. Aside from that, the device is stock.
Play Store: 4.1.6 (4.0.something factory)
Setup:
2 users
Primary user has 2 Google accounts+FB account
Secondary user has a single Google account
Problem:
I have 43 apps installed on the primary user. If I install even 1 more, the app crashes when trying to load the list of installed apps. Doesn't seem to matter what the 44th app is. Uninstall it to drop it back to 43 and it works just fine again. Secondary user is at 46 and no issues. I've tried removing both Google accounts, clearing data+cache of the store, DMClient, and Download Manager, as well as removing the store updates. Nothing has worked. The only things left I can think of is trying to update the store manually via newer apk or a factory reset. I don't know what, if anything, ASUS changed in the store, as the installed size reports 10.46mb or so. Also want to avoid a reset for obvious pain-in-the-arse related reasons.
Any ideas?
I ran into a similar problem. After reading this thread, i tried a few of the suggestions. What ended up working for me was to go to the application manager, got to google play store, uninstall updates, and re install the factory version. Did the same for google play services.
same problem with 4.3.1.1
using a custom rom (LiquidSmooth) on a Galaxy Note II (N7100) international.
went through all the removing\reinstalling\clear cache tricks.. same error pops up every time i try to open the store, and sometimes just as a background process.
not sure if re-flashing will help... (cleared cache and dalvik too).
thoughts..?
ApeironTsuka said:
N
Problem:
I have 43 apps installed on the primary user. If I install even 1 more, the app crashes when trying to load the list of installed apps. Doesn't seem to matter what the 44th app is. Uninstall it to drop it back to 43 and it works just fine again. Secondary user is at 46 and no issues. I've tried removing both Google accounts, clearing data+cache of the store, DMClient, and Download Manager, as well as removing the store updates. Nothing has worked. The only things left I can think of is trying to update the store manually via newer apk or a factory reset. I don't know what, if anything, ASUS changed in the store, as the installed size reports 10.46mb or so. Also want to avoid a reset for obvious pain-in-the-arse related reasons.
Any ideas?
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No good ones, but just wondering - is there any possibility it's the 43rd app that is the root of the problem? Perhaps its data is corrupted in play's database, and adding another app reveals the problem.
talamir said:
using a custom rom (LiquidSmooth) on a Galaxy Note II (N7100) international.
went through all the removing\reinstalling\clear cache tricks.. same error pops up every time i try to open the store, and sometimes just as a background process.
not sure if re-flashing will help... (cleared cache and dalvik too).
thoughts..?
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Just in case you didn't try it, jpeg1900's suggestion of reinstalling google play services (rather than just google play) might be relevant here, in light of it crashing as a background process.
Unfortunately google play store has stopped
hello,
i bought a chinese phone - Vsun i9 but unfortunately it looks that is made for chinese market and google play doesn't work:
Unfortunately google play store has stopped
I had rooted the phone but still don't know how to activate google play
Could you help me and if someone knows if there is a custom rom for this phone to send a link.
thank you in advance!
4.5.10
Is this a bugs?? On note 3 original rom play store version 4.5.10 also has this problem, sometimes clear data on download manager / play service / play store can help, sometimes there is no choice, I remove gmail account and sign in again can help...
Why does this happen? Did google give any answer?
helpful topic
i found this very helpful.. thnks
remove account and work well, after few days the same problem occur again!!!! What happen to android? is it need to wait new google play new update?
I broke it!!!
after trying all the processes, several times
I am running Paranoid Android ROM and just wondered if changing hybrid profile of Google play store was contributing to app crashing?!?
note: I was able to open app but from opening menu could not go into any individual tabs (I.e. "apps") without crashing...
Changing hybrid settings back to lower DPI fixed issue and I have just set to the maximum DPI before app starts crashing
hope this helps others
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alleshi said:
just download Hotspot Shield VPN 1.3
http://www.androiddrawer.com/11257/download-hotspot-shield-vpn-1-3-app-apk/
and google play store will work again
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If your problem is due to google sites being blocked by a firewall (your company's, your ISP's, your country's, or whatever) this may be helpful. Be aware that you will need a site on the other end, outside the firewall, to route your google play communications.
If that's not your problem, this solution won't help.
Usually you will know - only a few countries block google, it's highly unlikely that a commercial ISP would, and you will know whether you are trying to do updates on your company's network.
There's a host file in system-etc- delete that file and reboot your phone and see if that works..
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[armv6][APP][4.0+]Voice Search Wrapper for Google Now (Google Search)

Google Now voice input FC's (force-closes) on armv6 devices. Boo. Hiss. Part of the lib works, 'listen to tv' works.
Hotword detection is completely borked on armv6. Luckily you can turn it off in Google Settings after Now is installed or it'll FC like crazy too.
If you're into this kind of thing you may remember how cool it was when people got Google Now with Voice Search working for armv6 devices.
It doesn't work anymore on newer releases of Now.
The ics voice search assistant only works on Google Now (Velvet.apk) up to version 2.0 and Now is currently over v3.
So, I wanted to make something like the old search assistant for the current version of Google Now, since my lovely Optimus V obsolete phone is still kicking with Android 4.2.2 CM-11 unofficial.
I enjoy the voice controls. It's geeky. It's fun. It's somethiIng those uppity newer phone users lord over us cheapskates and diehards.
Even though Google Voice Search is froyo-era software, and online-only, it can still be used by Intent.
So...
I made an app. Widget actually. Press it, wait for the Voice Search box, and talk. It reroutes the transcript to Google Search (Now.) That includes OK Google commands, like 'call 555 555 1212' 'weather' etc. list of commands here and here
I couldn't get all the easter eggs to work, they may be in the hotword detector or libvcdecoder. Some do work though.
The talkback from Google Search still doesn't work with this gimmick. But you can talk into it at least.
This does not fix the mic icon on the Google search bar. Only allows a workaround for voice input via widget or long-press search key,
See this post to get around that.
Thanks again to Dovidhalevi for that tip.
Installation:
Get Voice Search on Play
get the apk from post 2, and install it.
If youve already got Google Now version 3.10 or higher sideloaded you can skip this next bit, go straight to fixing the Google Now settings.
I haven't been able to get either the launcher or Search to work installing from Play.
The Easy Way
Sideload the official apks from somewhere like androidpolice, and then you don't have to push anything to /data.
Here's the androidpolice 3.3 article with a download link.
The Harder Way
Get Now (and the launcher if you see fit) from the gapps here.
G Now is four files. /system/priv-app/Velvet.apk (chmod 644)
and three libs from /system/lib
libvcdecoder_jni.so, libgoogle_recognizer_jni_l.so, and libgoogle_hotword_jni.so (chmod 644)
(thanks to Dovidhalevi for pointing out the libvcdecoder.jni.so, I had missed that one.)
the launcher is /system/app/GoogleHome.apk (chmod 644) but it's not required.
you can 'adb install' Velvet, then adb push the three libs to /data/data/com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox/lib if you don't have space on /system.
Fix Google Search Settings!
once those files are installed,
1) immediately go into Google settings > Search & Now > Voice > "Ok Google" hotword detection, and turn it off.
2) Then back up one menu to Google settings > Search & Now > Voice, open Language and set it to something obscure like Hungarian (this avoids nasty FCs that happen to some users, thanks again Dovidhalevi for the tip!)
Important: If Search keeps closing on you, you need to make sure you changed the language in Google settings as listed in #2 from the previous paragraph.
If there's no setting to turn off hotword detection, the version is too old. try v3.10 or newer.
still get Search force closes? @rar**** posted a fix.
Usage:
The first time you run it there will (well, should) be a dialog asking what you want to use. Select Voice Search, Always.
(If there's not a dialog asking what to run for this action, go to Settings >Apps > Google Search and clear defaults. If that doesn't do it, clear defaults for Voice Search and VoiceSearchWrapper too.)
The widget can be activated by long-press search button. Another dialog should pop up. Select VoiceSearchWrapper, always.
Just tell it what to do, like after the hotword on a newer device. Instead of "Ok Google, weather" just say "weather."
This thread is to debug the apk. I've already gotten some great help from Dovidhalevi for the language settings, and Rar**** for the more comprehensive language workaround.
here is source, ADT project.
I know this doesn't match the template. I wanted to get source and binary UP though. I'll prettify this later.
known glitches:
Voice responses don't work (Search doesn't talk back to you, and the nonfunctional Easter eggs are talkbacks.)
'navigate to <location>' opens a web search for the text. Pressing enter in the search box corrects it to offer the Navigation app correctly targeted. ???
//edit: sideloading the apk from androidpolice instead of using the one from pa_gapps fixes this specific issue.
tested to function on:
lg optimus one,s,v cm11
galaxy mini cm10.1 (thanks damopi95 for testing)
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Voice Search Wrapper for Google Now voice commands on armv6, App for the LG Optimus One P500
Contributors
bigsupersquid, google, stackoverflow.com
Version Information
Status: Testing
Current Beta Version: 1.0
Beta Release Date: 2014-04-07
Created 2014-04-07
Last Updated 2014-05-28
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APK here.
md5sum 1b3977dbfed9290edae950862d911d94
Current version 1.0
leaving feedback in the thread whether or not it works for you encourages development, expands the compatible device list, and keeps this alive in the search engines so other legacy device users can find it.
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Installed the wrapper app. Previously had the "on-line" voice search. BTW, this, along with Jeannie, etc., did work.
I did not get a dialog but got the voicesearch speak box immediately. Google search FC.
Running voicesearch itself similarly voice search FC. Did work before.
Jeannie still works.
This is off a Play store version of Google Search. Even if I simply place that velvet.apk in priv-app and symlink the libraries, there is still no room. I have 14meg free on system. Most of us trim less from the ROM so have even less available. The velvet.apk it itself 17meg. The libs, another 17meg but I have symlinked those off in the past. Were those libs compiled for armv6 (They are not opensource, usually come precompiled for armv7)?
The Velvet.apk is actually quite good in that it has the language models on it. Versions for our device will not let us download them. But this, along with the launcher being included, makes it too big. Play versions install as user app, include the recognizer lib inside (for armv7). Must be sideloaded.
I sideloaded the Velvet.apk
Pushed the libs to sd-ext, symlinked to /system/lib
Still does not work but will check after reboot.
P500 users will be very unlikely to get this stuff installed on /system/priv-app. BTW, no interest in "Ok Google," which would simply deplete the battery were it to work at all. BTW, Google will probably bump the app off Play unless the title gets changed--did that to the original ICS widget.
Dovidhalevi said:
Installed the wrapper app. Previously had the "on-line" voice search. BTW, this, along with Jeannie, etc., did work.
I did not get a dialog but got the voicesearch speak box immediately. Google search FC.
Running voicesearch itself similarly voice search FC. Did work before.
Jeannie still works.
This is off a Play store version of Google Search. Even if I simply place that velvet.apk in priv-app and symlink the libraries, there is still no room. I have 14meg free on system. Most of us trim less from the ROM so have even less available. The velvet.apk it itself 17meg. The libs, another 17meg but I have symlinked those off in the past. Were those libs compiled for armv6 (They are not opensource, usually come precompiled for armv7)?
The Velvet.apk is actually quite good in that it has the language models on it. Versions for our device will not let us download them. But this, along with the launcher being included, makes it too big. Play versions install as user app, include the recognizer lib inside (for armv7). Must be sideloaded.
I sideloaded the Velvet.apk
Pushed the libs to sd-ext, symlinked to /system/lib
Still does not work but will check after reboot.
P500 users will be very unlikely to get this stuff installed on /system/priv-app. BTW, no interest in "Ok Google," which would simply deplete the battery were it to work at all. BTW, Google will probably bump the app off Play unless the title gets changed--did that to the original ICS widget.
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Thanks for the feedback.
Didn't plan to Play store this one, it's too hacky anyway. Hopefully they won't bump the beta but if they do I'll fix it.
The libs are armv7 but only parts of them are NEON or thumb2. So on my Optimus V (msm7627) the voice-recognition parts of those libs FC. The listen/broadcast to google server part of the recognizer lib seems to work though. (listen to TV finds the wrong shows but similar.)
without the hotword lib Now FC's even more than usual. With it installed but turned off there are no complaints in logcat about hotword.
After enough reboots my install of Now seems to have stabilized and doesn't FC very often unless I hit the mic icon by accident.
However, I am using the 'stock' pa gapps package except for the total unrunnables like chrome and the keyboard. ridiculous amount of system storage eaten up. Since I am running my whole phone except for the boot.img off my sd card storage space doesn't matter. So I hadn't tried the sideloaded .apk since moving past Velvet 2.0 and didn't realize it'd FC instead of running.
Though, your post in the ROM thread indicated you've had issues with Now being a FC-ing beast anyway even on text searches? I rarely ever have had it crash on text searches.
I will have to test sideloading the apk now.
//edit: yes, sideloading the apk from the gapps then pushing the two libgoogle_* libs to /data/data/com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox/lib works for me. Didn't even have to reboot.
My widget doesn't show anything before popping up voice search, unless search initializes slowly, then you see the 'voicesearchwrapper' dialog box for a sec.
All it's meant to do is pipe the text output from Voice Search into Now.
Also, to get the Android system selection box for what handles voice input for what function, I had to uninstall and reinstall Voice Search. Since you've already got different defaults selected I can imagine why it wouldn't hook right.
bigsupersquid said:
Thanks for the feedback.
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Though, your post in the ROM thread indicated you've had issues with Now being a FC-ing beast anyway even on text searches? I rarely ever have had it crash on text searches.
I will have to test sideloading the apk now.
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How do you run everything of sdcard? Using that OSD Rom? I might think that an sdcard is a bit slow for system but never noticed any lags from link2sd's placements on the sdcard.
See how you make out with a sideload, maybe there is a workaround? No way for most of us to shove this onto /system/priv-app.
BTW, there MAY be a way, sort of. The paid version of link2sd can symlink system dexes. But everything else still must fit on system. Symlinking dexes free a bit more /data space. Wondering about manually symlinking apps to /system/app and /system/priv-app. Unfortunately, kitkat ROMs do not necessarily respect such symlinks, possibly because built-in selinux policies (evidenced in file_context) do not include references to the target placements. This may be why I cannot upgrade omni sanely.
Dovidhalevi said:
How do you run everything of sdcard? Using that OSD Rom? I might think that an sdcard is a bit slow for system but never noticed any lags from link2sd's placements on the sdcard.
See how you make out with a sideload, maybe there is a workaround? No way for most of us to shove this onto /system/priv-app.
BTW, there MAY be a way, sort of. The paid version of link2sd can symlink system dexes. But everything else still must fit on system. Symlinking dexes free a bit more /data space. Wondering about manually symlinking apps to /system/app and /system/priv-app. Unfortunately, kitkat ROMs do not necessarily respect such symlinks, possibly because built-in selinux policies (evidenced in file_context) do not include references to the target placements. This may be why I cannot upgrade omni sanely.
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I run everything off the card with a modified boot process. But unlike Multirom or linking, it's stock Android code that does it for me now.
fstab.thunderc calls out /system and /data with "EMMC" mmcblk partitions and init.thunderc.rc does a 'mount_all /fstab.thunderc'... which requires replacing the qcom.init.rc direct MTD mount commands with comments. My system partition is currently 1GB and it's using well over 400MB of that. Antutu, quadrant, and linpack show no major speed differences from running off card. Class 4 16GB, class 10 8GB, class 2 4GB, all have worked for me. Biggest problem, one user had their only sd card fail while installed and recovery wouldn't sideload flash another zip without a card. Required adb and flash_image with internal system.img and boot.img pushed to /data to fix.
The internal MTD /system partition is only 165MB (157 on the Optimus S!) and it just barely holds kitkat with any features. I made a ROM version for it because people are more comfortable with that than my experimental version, but I don't use it myself. It works, but I hate dealing with linking and other methods of faking out Android because my phone has puny internal storage capacity. Multirom was cool, it was similar in that it mounted the external filesystems before booting, so Android didn't see anything funny going on. That stopped working for me with ICS.
Our devices are very similar. I've ported software over, and, um, borrowed, the p500 androidarmv6 3.0.8 kernel code for the VM670. The same trick should work if you'd like to try it.
To avoid too much off-topic, I'd be happy to discuss an easy (zip flash and adb shell cp -a) way to test the method on your device off in another thread somewhere.
I will check on the sideloading since not many armv6 users have enough system space. Most likely the one in the gapps will still sideload and the libs can be manually copied into /data/data/com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox/lib afterwards.
edit: yes, sideloading and pushing the libs there worked for me. Once. Then a FC every time it's opened. Same with android police version 3.3 apk.
I will examine my logs. Thanks for the pointer.
@Dovidhalevi
the force closes appear to be from the hotword not being disabled in google settings>voice>hotword
I had the same issues you reported from sideloading until I went into those settings and disabled the hotword.
It's actually mentioned in the OP but now I'll stress it's important there
bigsupersquid said:
@Dovidhalevi
the force closes appear to be from the hotword not being disabled in google settings>voice>hotword
I had the same issues you reported from sideloading until I went into those settings and disabled the hotword.
It's actually mentioned in the OP but now I'll stress it's important there
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Hotword will cause numerous FCs. I turn it off as fast as I can. Once off, Google Search will remain stably, show cards, etc. FCs with inputs as described. Hotword not the issue.
Dovidhalevi said:
Hotword will cause numerous FCs. I turn it off as fast as I can. Once off, Google Search will remain stably, show cards, etc. FCs with inputs as described. Hotword not the issue.
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it seems like your system is using the wrong default app for voice. maybe if you went into apps under settings and clear defaults for a Google search voice search and voice search wrapper then you should get the default dialogs.
//edit: Thanks for the PM about how you got it working! I have added the info about the extra lib and the langauge settings to the OP and credit.
Thanks a lot for the source. Just asking for permissions. Can I use it in my ROM?
I know but still asking for conformation
rhar**** said:
Thanks a lot for the source. Just asking for permissions. Can I use it in my ROM?
I know but still asking for conformation
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certainly.
a link to the original here or github as a credit would be cool but not required...
as you inferred, the point to sharing source is to allow free use.
thanks for asking though.
If Google Now is already installed, is it possible to just push the lib files? or should I uninstall Google Now, Search, and Launcher and proceed with the steps posted on OP?
ruelericsapalaran said:
If Google Now is already installed, is it possible to just push the lib files? or should I uninstall Google Now, Search, and Launcher and proceed with the steps posted on OP?
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if Now is already installed all you need to install is Voice Search and the widget.
Clear defaults in Google Search after installing the other two and you should get the default dialogs to finish setting it up.
I will add this to the OP since I hadn't considered it.
bigsupersquid said:
if Now is already installed all you need to install is Voice Search and the widget.
Clear defaults in Google Search after installing the other two and you should get the default dialogs to finish setting it up.
I will add this to the OP since I hadn't considered it.
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When you say "widget" you mean the wrapper apk, right? Also, what do you mean when you say "clear defaults in Google Search", because as I check Google Settings>Search & Now, there's no option to clear defaults.
ruelericsapalaran said:
When you say "widget" you mean the wrapper apk, right? Also, what do you mean when you say "clear defaults in Google Search", because as I check Google Settings>Search & Now, there's no option to clear defaults.
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Yep, the VoiceSearchWrapper.apk is the widget.
As far as settings,
(If there's not a dialog asking what to run for this action, go to Settings >Apps > Google Search and clear defaults. If that doesn't do it, clear defaults for Voice Search and VoiceSearchWrapper too.)
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bigsupersquid said:
Yep, the VoiceSearchWrapper.apk is the widget.
As far as settings,
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Done clearing defaults but still getting Google Search FC
ruelericsapalaran said:
Done clearing defaults but still getting Google Search FC
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Did you set the language to Hungarian like I was told had to be done sometimes?
By the way, I am using your troubles to clarify the OP. Keep me posted, please. And I may need a logcat to check exactly what is happening if it can't be easily trouble(shooted? shot?) through trial and error.
bigsupersquid said:
Did you set the language to Hungarian like I was told had to be done sometimes?
By the way, I am using your troubles to clarify the OP. Keep me posted, please. And I may need a logcat to check exactly what is happening if it can't be easily trouble(shooted? shot?) through trial and error.
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Okay. The thing I did not find the "Ok Google" hotword detection" option in my Google settings. I'm not sure if this would mean I have to re-install again? Or should I just clear data and cache of the 3(Now, Search, GNL)?
ruelericsapalaran said:
Okay. The thing I did not find the "Ok Google" hotword detection" option in my Google settings. I'm not sure if this would mean I have to re-install again? Or should I just clear data and cache of the 3(Now, Search, GNL)?
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older versions of Search don't have the needed setting. what version is yours? the one I currently have installed is 3.3.10
looks like I should determine what the earliest version is with that setting.

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