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Hy guys,
Just to know, I'm coming from my trusty Eten M700. I bought the HTC Touch Pro about one week ago here, in Romania.
And I must say the video playback seems way too sluggish for a phone like this. On the M700, with same coreplayer version (latest), with raw frame buffer and medium quality and no other modification I could play every video I wanted. Including 720x576 xvid clips.
On this one...no matter what I set (QTV, raw frame buffer, direct draw), everything seems a little too sluggish compared to M700.
do you have the same impression, or is it just me?
I just read another thread here about video performance but it had too much dissipated info.
Gigs said:
Hy guys,
Just to know, I'm coming from my trusty Eten M700. I bought the HTC Touch Pro about one week ago here, in Romania.
And I must say the video playback seems way too sluggish for a phone like this. On the M700, with same coreplayer version (latest), with raw frame buffer and medium quality and no other modification I could play every video I wanted. Including 720x576 xvid clips.
On this one...no matter what I set (QTV, raw frame buffer, direct draw), everything seems a little too sluggish compared to M700.
do you have the same impression, or is it just me?
I just read another thread here about video performance but it had too much dissipated info.
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Which is why it's great that you started a new thread to dissipate the info further. Read the other thread(s) again, this has already been answered and solved within coreplayer.
P0ll0L0c0 said:
Which is why it's great that you started a new thread to dissipate the info further. Read the other thread(s) again, this has already been answered and solved within coreplayer.
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which topic is it? i have smilar issues
Untill now I have found that QTV with Medium acceleration, and dither on has the best performance, anyway less than m700. Setting the buffer to 8000 kb did not had any effect. Still want to hear from another pro owners what they think about this.
I agree, video playback just sucks! I hate Qualcomm processors, Xscale rulezzz!
However when I put QTv, my screen goes black and there's only sound.
How did you achieve to run it on QTv???
krabicka3 said:
I agree, video playback just sucks! I hate Qualcomm processors, Xscale rulezzz!
However when I put QTv, my screen goes black and there's only sound.
How did you achieve to run it on QTv???
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It depends on what kind of file you want to play with it. On mine, some 3gp and some clips compressed for mobile devices don't show anything on screen. Try to switch to raw frame buffer, and restart core player, maybe it helps?
Unfortunately the HTC Touch Pro is not the mulitmedia phone you want if your looking to run your non-mobile encoded videos. However it still can be a awesome video player if you encode videos to the right dimension and specs.
I took this past Sunday to play around with finding just the right video format and encode settings to play video as close to vga as possible. Unfortunately the Touch Pro can't play videos in full-vga resolution. HOWEVER, it can perfectly play videos in 480x320 which when you compare to a 640x480 video on the touch pro's 2.5inch screen there is no difference in quality what so ever.
When you play small videos on such a small screen you wont notice the difference in the resolution, however comparing a qvga (320x240) to the half vga 480x320 resolution you can definitely see a difference.
I use two different encoders, one being pocket divx encoder and the other videora iphone converter.
I encoded a bunch of animes and movies using pocket divx set to 480x320, 2-Pass, vhq enabled, around 850 video bitrate and 128kb stereo bitrate and all my videos look crisp on the Touch Pro and plays smoothly.
I suggest others to try it out and benchmark the playback yourself and you'll see it'll run at a easy 135%+ which is perfect for 100% smooth playback.
Gigs said:
It depends on what kind of file you want to play with it. On mine, some 3gp and some clips compressed for mobile devices don't show anything on screen. Try to switch to raw frame buffer, and restart core player, maybe it helps?
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1.) I suggest check two things, one be sure you are running the latest build which I assume you are,
2) under preferences and under the Qtv page look to make sure "Tytn 2 driver mode" is enabled.
3) some builds have a issue of zoomed in pictures to a an extreme amount that only a black screen shows when first installed, set the zoom to 50% and then reset to the normal or best fit.
Hopefully those changes should help you out
UPDATE: Also there is one bug I know of with Coreplayer. When coreplayer is launched and left running in the back (or if still active on screen) should the device go into sleep mode and then come back you will not be able to see any video playing when choosing to start. You'll have to close coreplayer and reopen again, I noticed this the other day and just came into mind when experiencing just now again.
I almost agree with you puerrican but I think it's such a burden to reencode....I managed to get easy after I saw that everything encoded with h264, mkv and encoders like this can't be played in the pro. However, everything I had in my computer encoded in divx, xvid, normal things works just fine with the settings I put in some posts above. I just tried 700 MB DVDrip(around 1000 kbit/s and 640x272) and some videoclip(624x352 vbr around 2300kbits) both xvid and they worked ok. 688x400 AVC1 (h264) killed the pro.It's not just the resolution but also the encoder used.
EDIT: just saw the update and I wanted to mention that I'm also using the 1.2.5 build 4506 with tytn 2 mode enabled and qtv on medium selected. And touchflo3d is disabled and I'm using the spb shell (or something like that with icons on screen).
IDEA: I think it would be interesting playing back xvid 640x480 and h264 640x480 to test this idea of mine
Definitely it is pain to go and do that. Plus reencoding speed relies heavily on your pc specs, on a high end specs your looking at around 4-5 mins for a 2-pass encoded video of 24 min length. While a movie length of 90 mins or so your looking at at least 16-22 mins.
So expect much longer wait on a lower end thats not even dual core or lower clock rate.
Until pdas start sporting dedicated gpus from nvidia or other names windows mobile wont ever benefit on being a media playback alternative which is a nice plus for those not looking to carry 2-3 devices for music, pmp, pda, and phone. Wish HTC would look into intel processors for their next unit and possibly throw in a nvidia mobile gpu like the 5500 with a decent amount of video memory. I mean at this point in the technology chain its not even remotely impossible to do so... so whats the hold up with companies???
yeah, i have no problem with mp4 at 640x480 (640x360 widescreen). mkv at high res (above 640x480) is a little juttery. my movies are usually 24fps, 1000kbps, 640x360
got same settings as gigs
coreplayer is working on fix for v1.3
I'm at a lost, I tried playing 640x480 videos on my touch pro and it stutters way too much, how are you guys managing to have to it playback flawlessly?
I dont really get whats good about watching movies on a 2.5 inch screen...do you do that on such a regular basis that this is so important ?
Regarding Video, i just watch some short youtube clips and stuff like that...
Ever tried to watch a full length movie on such a small screen ? I did that on holiday on my ipod and its really hurting the eyes to concetrate on such a small screen for 90+ minutes... not really anything you want to do regularly...besides not reencoded videos take up alot of space on your memorystick...
i dont have a problem with reencoding some videos and stuff, full length movies arent meant to be watched on a phone anyway
Well, a 2,5 inch screen is a bit too small, but our Touch Pros have a 2,8 inch screen
I have a zune and it has a 3 in screen and was perfect for watching tv videos or movies, and thats half the resolution then a TP. Cant wait to get my hand on the TP !!!
To each his own, some ppl like being able to watch videos whenever the call comes. Sometimes when I have to wait for something like a class to start or I'm away from my pc, or even on a airplane or public transportation I like to be able to watch few episodes easily and clearly. A full blown movie yea its gonna be a nuisance for a long time depending on the person. But some are accustomed to it, I for one can easily watch 4-6 episodes in a row without getting any kind of headahce.
yep, its quite convient. all in one device. it has tv out as well, so since it is simalar res to tv, it looks great
music + movies on phone, no ned for mp3 player. plus i can stream movies off my pc
yeah i see that there is room for this, but i dont think many people use this so regulary that converting a few movies is that much of a pain. You will save a lot of space on your memorystick as well.
I have modifying 2 regentries and the video is now much better.
Look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=438318
Using CorePlayer the benchmark was before 75-95%,now 145%. on same videofile - Uncompressed VGA XviD.
Edit... I am sorry. It wasn't working. I just forgot,that I set the video quality to medium before.
You have to chose Medium Quality on Video Settings (with Qtv selected), otherwise it lags so much ..
Even on medium on motion scenses some frame drops
Video used for tests: RL_XQ_640x480_1500_128.avi (found somewhere here on this forum.. can't remember the topic name )
I am a new android/captivate buyer. Try as I might (googled for a few hours) I could not find anything on the Captivate and it's Hd playback. My question is:
Is there a way I can play Youtube HD on my Captivate via stream? (and NO I don't mean High Quality I mean straight up HD *720p*.).
I'm just mad the iphone 4 can and I can't find a way to do it on my captivate.
Thanks
Jose
If you are connected via wifi, I believe it defaults to the highest..on 3g it defaults to low and you have to click thne menu button, go to 'More' and go to high quality. Someone will correct me if Im wrong
Neither the iPhone 4 nor any Android phone has 720p screen resolution. If the iPhone 4 is telling you it is displaying at 720p, it is either cropping or compressing the video.
However, the Samsung Captivate and many other Android phones are essentially at 480p HD resolution, which is what setting the videos to High Quality should display (bump it up to 480p playback).
Belaflek said:
If you are connected via wifi, I believe it defaults to the highest..on 3g it defaults to low and you have to click thne menu button, go to 'More' and go to high quality. Someone will correct me if Im wrong
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That is the way it works on our version of Youtube. The newer version has a more conveniently placed HQ button and allows you to set HQ as the default.
I might add the Captivate also plays 720p and 1080p (though really it's pointless) video files quite well. And UNLIKE the iPhone 4, you don't have no encode everything in MP4/H.264 to play them. Thank you Samsung for native MKV and AVI container support...
And yes, the Captivate's screen resolution is lower than 720p (assuming a pixel for pixel representation), but in practice if you're watching a movie or tv show, it looks way better if the file is 720p as opposed to 480p.
Man... Why does the iPhone 4's videos look SO much more crisp than my dear Samsung? They can't beat the vividness of the display though Hopefully youtube can be updated to play sharper videos for android later down the line. These screen resolutions are getting more epic every year. Thanks for replying guys.
First off, I don't understand video and audio very much beyond the basics.
I'd previously used handbrake to rip DVDs to my wife's ipad. When the aspect ratios agree, she's golden. When they don't, she doesn't care since she's used to seeing letterboxing on our TV.
However, I've tried to rip a widescreen movie to my Transformer and see the black bars in the video. I'd assumed since I was ripping a widescreen video to a widescreen device, it would fill the screen. Seeing black bars is no real issue apart from being annoying, so I'm trying to get rid of them.
I've been doing some reading and have tried to play with the anamorphic settings to try and fill the screen out, without any luck.
At this point, I think I'm either missing something very basic, have a fundamental misunderstanding as to how this is supposed to work, or some combination of the two.
I would appreciate and helpful tips or advice anyone might be able to offer.
BTW, I'm using the settings I found here: http://www.ryukent.co.uk/2011/05/asus-eeepad-transformer-handbrake-settings/
And also, here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825
thanks
Dave
my handbreak video displays fine! Try it in rockplayer, not the original stock player and it will strech to aspect properly
The Transformer's aspect ratio is 1280x800px; the standard 16:9 widescreen videos will probably encode (or expand) to 1280x720px - which will leave 40 pixels of unused space (your black bars) at the top and bottom of your screen.
Many players allow you to stretch videos to fill the entire screen (moboPlayer allows this).
Many films are 2.39:1, which would be 1280x535 on the TF which will leave a lot of empty space unless you stretch/crop (neither of which is desirable)....
daverod said:
First off, I don't understand video and audio very much beyond the basics.
I'd previously used handbrake to rip DVDs to my wife's ipad. When the aspect ratios agree, she's golden. When they don't, she doesn't care since she's used to seeing letterboxing on our TV.
However, I've tried to rip a widescreen movie to my Transformer and see the black bars in the video. I'd assumed since I was ripping a widescreen video to a widescreen device, it would fill the screen. Seeing black bars is no real issue apart from being annoying, so I'm trying to get rid of them.
I've been doing some reading and have tried to play with the anamorphic settings to try and fill the screen out, without any luck.
At this point, I think I'm either missing something very basic, have a fundamental misunderstanding as to how this is supposed to work, or some combination of the two.
I would appreciate and helpful tips or advice anyone might be able to offer.
BTW, I'm using the settings I found here: http://www.ryukent.co.uk/2011/05/asus-eeepad-transformer-handbrake-settings/
And also, here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825
thanks
Dave
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Depends on the movies. Some movies are 16:9 or (1.78), will others are Cinema Scope (2.35). The 2.35 will always have black bars, even on wide screen. Read the packaging, it should give you the aspect ratio. They are ultra wide. Personally I wish Hollywood would dump 2.35, but it appears to be the trending thing to do. Frankly, I just think they do it to give you a reason to go to a theater.
FYI: It appears the that Automatic crop doesn't work, at least on Blu-Ray mkvs.
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Many films are 2.39:1, which would be 1280x535 on the TF which will leave a lot of empty space unless you stretch/crop (neither of which is desirable)....
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Yea, have a movie around that frame height. Im sure i know the answer already, but please confirm.
Its impossinke to stretch/increase the height frame through sofware like handbrake right?
So, you can shrink it, but just cant stretch it or make it bigge, atleast without losing quality...
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Yea, have a movie around that frame height. Im sure i know the answer already, but please confirm.
Its impossinke to stretch/increase the height frame through sofware like handbrake right?
So, you can shrink it, but just cant stretch it or make it bigge, atleast without losing quality...
Thanks
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You can stretch it but everything will look very tall and thin - If you like your movies about NBA basketball players that might be fun.
You can crop and then expand the frame but this will lose quality as you are essentially zooming in -- parts on the outside of the frame will be lost.
The black bars are not the fault of the device, they're the fault of the movie industry.
sassafras
good evening,
i wanted to kindly ask you if, with this device, i could see videos in 4k, for example on youtube (i read that on xiaomi mi 10 lite you see videos in 4k, but i am afraid of having ghost touching problem with that model ). as for LIVE VIEW inside GOOGLE MAPS, how does it behave? go jerky?
I await you and thank you very much, it is important
Hi. The 4k option doesn't show up for me. Not that it matters though. 6.6" display at 1080p resolution wouldn't make a difference anyways (except for huge increase in data usage). As for Google Maps live view it seems to be working just fine though to be honest I find it being a useless gimmick. Some old Nokia phones had a similar feature and it was just as useless back then as it is now.
FYI I use Vanced not thr stock YT app so it might be different there.
You can try to to look for Vanced Youtube
Like I said I use Vanced and even if you set 2160p as your preferred resolution there's no visual difference only in the amount of data pulled to play the video. On like a PC monitor or TV you might notice less compression so it might make sense to use a higher resolution than your display can support but on a tiny smartphone screen? Unless you absolutely have a need to burn through your data without any profit I'd say stay away from 4k.
Trying to watch a 4k or even a 2K video on a 1080p screen ? What's the point ?
You can't display more than effective screen pixels...
Some fix for the exaggerated lateral margins that it makes in the videos to the screens of YouTube, Netflix, etc.? You can zoom and fill the screen but the video in its original format, has an excessive crop.
In other Xiaomi devices this does not happen.
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Some fix for the exaggerated lateral margins that it makes in the videos to the screens of YouTube, Netflix, etc.? You can zoom and fill the screen but the video in its original format, has an excessive crop.
In other Xiaomi devices this does not happen.
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First of all, I am pretty sure you posted in the wrong category. This should got to Questions & Answers.
Did you ever play GameBoy Color games on the GameBoy Advance?
If yes, you noticed, that all the games had black margins, except you were resizing the image with the L/R button.
The reason for that is that what is being displayed does not match the resolution of the screen. So if your video is 480*240p then it will have margins on a Full HD or 2k display.
Same goes for any device, like your phone. Previous phones did not have margins, because they probably had a screen resolution of precisely 1920x1080p. So most videos will fit perfectly, because that is a very common resolution for videos.
Now the POCO has a higher resolution: 1080 x 2400, which is not perfectly standard. Your video is guaranteed to not have this resolution, as can be seen from the screenshot. So of course there will be black margins. The only way to "remove" the margins would be to resize your video or get an older phone with a resolution of exactly Full HD.
Conclusively, that's not an issue with your phone or whatever. It's an issue regarding different resolutions, which happens to EVERY device on earth that has a display measured in pixels.
Although they are related it's more of the aspect ratio thing than resolution. Common aspect ratio for content on platforms OP has mentioned is 16:9 where our poco has 20:9 screen. 16:9 was the most popular on mobile devices before the "bezel less" era and still is the most popular for TV.
Try to do the pinch outwards gesture to stretch the video to full screen?
Use the Video Toolbox?