[Q] VOIP Alternative to GrooveIP due to loss of XMPP - Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Recently bought N5 (play store), also bought activation kit from T-Mobile for the $30/month unlimited data prepaid plan. Works great. Was my intention to use GrooveIP to make VOIP calls using the data only and never touch the 100 mins portion of the plan. Then I hear about Google dropping the XMPP support in Google Voice. While I understand that this isn't supposed to happen until May of 2014, my question is this. Are there any alternatives that will allow me to make Data only VOIP calls on my N5?
If this is posted in the wrong section I apologize.
Thanks In Advance.
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Im not going to even begin to worry for about 4 months. Gotta give Google some time to possibly introduce a Hangouts voice calling alternative. If they don't, then I guess I am going to have to switch to Straight Talk. It only ends up being 6 dollars more a month than the Tmobile plan when you buy 6 month cards off Amazon and as an added bonus you dont have to worry about minutes anymore and you get much better coverage. Only major negative is your data is cut in half.

Get a s4 with wifi calling.

The stock rom allows you to make "Internet" (SIP) calls or you could install an app like CSipSimple. Either way, just find a SIP provider you like.

gtj0 said:
The stock rom allows you to make "Internet" (SIP) calls or you could install an app like CSipSimple. Either way, just find a SIP provider you like.
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Thank you. I didn't know you could do that. Do you have any suggestions on where I might go to shop SIP providers? Thank you.

TheDMoney said:
Thank you. I didn't know you could do that. Do you have any suggestions on where I might go to shop SIP providers? Thank you.
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There are tons of them out there. Just search for "sip provider" or "voip provider". The right one for you will depend a lot on what country you're in, what your calling patterns are, how many minutes you expect to use, etc.
In the US, callentric, broadvoice, voip.ms, vitelity are just a few.

I think OP will have to wait for google to change their api. I am kinda worried too using OBI100 at my office.

TheDMoney said:
Thank you. I didn't know you could do that. Do you have any suggestions on where I might go to shop SIP providers? Thank you.
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Here is a list of sip termination providers:
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Sip+Trunking+Providers
One popular way to make free sip calls is to use a free pbx that can relay outogoing calls via a Google Voice account:
https://www1.pbxes.com/

Thank you, the information is awesome. I knew I was in the right place, even if not in the right forum to begin with. :highfive:

zgx said:
Here is a list of sip termination providers:
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Sip+Trunking+Providers
One popular way to make free sip calls is to use a free pbx that can relay outogoing calls via a Google Voice account:
https://www1.pbxes.com/
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Will this still be possible after XMPP is terminated?

otacon507 said:
Will this still be possible after XMPP is terminated?
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Gateways such as pbxes and Sipsorcery are not using XMPP, so they should work after XMPP is shut off.

zgx said:
Gateways such as pbxes and Sipsorcery are not using XMPP, so they should work after XMPP is shut off.
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To quote a guy from Reddit:
"If you are using OBI, GrooveIP, csipsimple via PBXes, or your own * box etc., they will cease to function as they use Asterisk PBX modules on the server end to translate XMPP (Jabber) in to SIP protocols."
Therefore, according to him, PBX is no longer possible?

otacon507 said:
To quote a guy from Reddit:
"If you are using OBI, GrooveIP, csipsimple via PBXes, or your own * box etc., they will cease to function as they use Asterisk PBX modules on the server end to translate XMPP (Jabber) in to SIP protocols."
Therefore, according to him, PBX is no longer possible?
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My misake. You're correct, PBXes.org will no longer work because, yes, they use XMPP.
(see: http://www1.pbxes.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=1289421168)
Sipsourcery does not use XMPP, but rather HTTP, so they should continue to work.

caribouxda said:
Get a s4 with wifi calling.
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You do know that wi-fi calling still uses minutes.. right?

I have used the following process even before I discovered GrooveIP was going to stop working on May 15 because of Google dropping support for XMPP.
Setup a free SIP account on (say) www.callcentric.com and select a DID.
Use the Internet Phone setting on the N5 to create a SIP account to your Callcentric Number.
Go to Google Voice on a desktop and route your GV number to that DID. You will have to verify the number by installing a SIP client either on the desktop or set it up on your N5.
Download and install Google Voice Callback (available free at the Amazon app store).
Then when you want to make a call over data (WiFi or 3G) call as usual, let GV Callback intercept the call and do a callback. It should callback your Google Voice number which will be forwarded to your Callcentric number and ring on your cell. When you answer Google Voice will call and connect you to the original number.
Similarly if people call your GV number it should ring your cell over the SIP connection to Callcentric.
No airtime minutes should be consumed in this process.

lchiu7 said:
I have used the following process even before I discovered GrooveIP was going to stop working on May 15 because of Google dropping support for XMPP.
Setup a free SIP account on (say) www.callcentric.com and select a DID.
Use the Internet Phone setting on the N5 to create a SIP account to your Callcentric Number.
Go to Google Voice on a desktop and route your GV number to that DID. You will have to verify the number by installing a SIP client either on the desktop or set it up on your N5.
Download and install Google Voice Callback (available free at the Amazon app store).
Then when you want to make a call over data (WiFi or 3G) call as usual, let GV Callback intercept the call and do a callback. It should callback your Google Voice number which will be forwarded to your Callcentric number and ring on your cell. When you answer Google Voice will call and connect you to the original number.
Similarly if people call your GV number it should ring your cell over the SIP connection to Callcentric.
No airtime minutes should be consumed in this process.
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Why are you stressing that we own a Nexus 5? I do not think that this is supported in regular JB systems? Would you mind writing a small tutorial and iron out the fine details you are outlining here?
Thanks, very resourceful post!

otacon507 said:
Why are you stressing that we own a Nexus 5? I do not think that this is supported in regular JB systems? Would you mind writing a small tutorial and iron out the fine details you are outlining here?
Thanks, very resourceful post!
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First of all this is a N5 forum which is why I assume that users will be using the N5. In fact this process works for the GN and Nexus S (and Nexus 4) but I can't vouch for non GED devices since I don't have any.
To expand a little (and as they say in maths texts, the rest is left an an exercise for the reader).
I have used the following process even before I discovered GrooveIP was going to stop working on May 15 because of Google dropping support for XMPP.
Setup a free SIP account on (say) www.callcentric.com and select a DID.. That means go www.callcentric.com and register an account. Then choose their free DID plan and select a number in one of the New York area codes they provide. I think 845 is one of them; It really doesn't matter what number you choose - just remember it.
Use the Internet Phone setting on the N5 to create a SIP account to your Callcentric Number. This is Phone/Settings/Call Settings/Accounts.
Setup a SIP account using the username 1777nnnnnnn which is assigned to your new account, password as you provided and server callcentri.com
Go to Google Voice on a desktop and route your GV number to that DID. You will have to verify the number by installing a SIP client either on the desktop or set it up on your N5.
Confirm that you can receive calls on this number in that your account [email protected] is receiving calls. Confirm that by calling you (e.g.) 845 number and make sure it rings on your phone. This will be a SIP call and not use any data.
Go to Google Voice and set the (854) number as a number for GV to forward calls. GV will then ask you to confirm that number by calling it and asking you to enter a 2 digit number into the called phone. You will need to make sure you can receive call on your cell on that number.
If you are successful, then your new number (callcentric) will not ring on your cell.
Download and install Google Voice Callback (available free at the Amazon app store). This app is not available at the Play Store since apparently it violates some rule Google has about apps but Amazon host it fine, The author is Xinlu,
What Google Voice Callback does is, it will intercept a regular call on your cellphone and ask if you want to use GV Callback. You do. The call will then be hung up and Google will now call your back on your (845) number (over the Internet) and when you pick up, it will present you will the ringing tone to the originally called number. When you connect you are now making an Internet call rather than using your TMO minutes,
Similarly if people call your GV number it should ring your cell over the SIP connection to Callcentric because you have forwarded all your calls to GV to your SIP phne.
No airtime minutes should be consumed in this process.

FYI if you are already a magicJack user, that is also a decent alternative. If you already use magicjack for your home line, you can download the app and make free calls to North America via wifi/data etc. You can get a new free number and route calls to your google voice number to your magicjack number. Unfortunately I'm not sure you can integrate your outgoing magicjack calls via google voice.
The quality of voip calls via magicjack is pretty decent over wifi and LTE from my experience. However if you're stuck in an area with 3G data, your call quality may vary. I have been using the app to make free calls on Nexus 7 tablet via Tmo data plan and it works well...

Do this https://simonics.com/gvgw/
Google voice calls right thru Android native sip. Works great..
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david279 said:
Do this https://simonics.com/gvgw/
Google voice calls right thru Android native sip. Works great..
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
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I suspect that's going to break also with the loss of XMPP support. To quote their site
The Google Voice Gateway service will be discontinued on May 15, 2014, due to policy and technology changes being implemented by Google. Please see this blog posting for more details and the SIP Providers forum to discuss SIP provider alternatives. Thank you for your support in helping to make this service excellent since November 2011.
What I plan to do is use Google Voice callback and a free SIP provider like Callcentric. It's a bit more fiddly but I think it does not rely on XMPP support and you can still make free calls using data.

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Google mail new option "Call"

Hi,
now that Gmail added (on the desktop version) the possibility to make a call to a land line in real voip, I was wondering if there was a way to use this "call" option directly from our Captivate.
I would like to be able to call people thru Google Voice without using my call plan but only use my data plan (I still have unlimited data).
Thanks
There is an app called Google Voice.
mwxiao said:
There is an app called Google Voice.
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Thanks, for the info, I know that, but this app call you back and use your voice plan. I'm looking for a way to use a way do go full VOIP with gvoice like you can fin on your pc/mac when you open your browser on gmail.com a look under "chat" you will have a "call" button.
Try it
I think google is to afraid of alienating carriers, which would alienate manufacturers, to try that just yet.
Saw an article today describing how to setup Google Voice to allow you to transfer a call you receive via Google Voice to the Gmail Chat call function. However, it requires that you have Gmail open in a browser on your computer.
Overall it can save you some cell phone call minutes, but it may not be the solution you are looking for.

[Q] Current way to do free calls over data?

Hi,
I've seen many articles describe how back in the day you could make a Gizmo5 account and tie it to your google voice account and thereby make free calls using google voice. I've looked around for a bit for a solution that doesn't require Gizmo5 but haven't found anything as of now. I've seen some mentions of using at least in part SIPgate and SIPdroid but, from what I understand, if you can get that to work it only solves the issue of incoming calls. Does anyone have a current and complete method (preferably from start to finish) to set up something like this?
You can accomplish this by using Google Voice, IPKall, PBXes.org (or a similar service) and an app like GVCallback plus whichever SIP app you'd like to use (I like CSIP). There are tutorials out there, Google is your friend. A little too involved for me to go into detail at the moment but it's possible and it does work once setup properly. Basically: setup an account with PBXes.org, get telco # from IPKall (that forwards to your PBXes.org account). Next you setup Google Voice to forward to your IPKall #. At this point you'll be able to receive calls to your GV # but not dial out. To call out, setup GVCallback. Now when you dial-out, Google Voice will ring your phone first, you answer - then GV rings the # you dialed and connects the call - for free.
Just keep in mind, if you use too much bandwidth, PBXes.org will cut you off unless you upgrade to a premium account. Hope that helps.
Dbagjones said:
Just keep in mind, if you use too much bandwidth, PBXes.org will cut you off unless you upgrade to a premium account. Hope that helps.
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there are free sip providers without that limitation... a quick google search should turn up a ton of them.
If you're inside US, Google Voice will be the best answer. Or you can also use Skype or Fring with very low rate.
spiderx_mm said:
If you're inside US, Google Voice will be the best answer. Or you can also use Skype or Fring with very low rate.
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even if you're outside the US, you can get a free number from ipkall to use with google voice and get free calling to the US and canada and low rates (about the same as skype or fring) to anywhere else.

[Q] best free serviced voip app?

hey guys, I'm looking for a setup that can give me unlimited voip calls and minutes as I will be out of the country next month. I have looked around and haven't found one that offered more than 15 minutes... I looked at mo-co, vopium, and truphone. is there a better setup? thanks!
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sipgate with sipsorcery and google voice and 3cx or the old sipagent
edit: I just found out that sipsorcery is closed for new accounts?
kakashi_s1 said:
hey guys, I'm looking for a setup that can give me unlimited voip calls and minutes as I will be out of the country next month. I have looked around and haven't found one that offered more than 15 minutes... I looked at mo-co, vopium, and truphone. is there a better setup? thanks!
sent via HTC EVO
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Just use GVoice and Sipgate.com. Sipgate has free incoming calls so use the callback feature to make all calls incoming to you sipgate number and use a sip client on your phone.
google has that gizmo5 account too but they're not offering any new sign ups. I'll try using sipgate.com thanks!
And if you're looking for a good SIP client for your phone I recommend SIPDroid. An excellent app. I'm in Hong Kong right now and can use SIPDroid+Google Voice to make/receive free calls to USA numbers when I'm on a wifi/data connection.
Here's a link describing how. Very easy:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/euq38/making_free_calls_with_google_voice_without_using/

Add phone capabilities to any tablet for free

This works, I am using my tablet as a speakerphone, plus sending and recieving text messages.
I do not take credit for this or provide support for this configuration.
Very Cool!
Link: add-phone-capabilities-to-any-tablet-for-free
Thanks to: probbiethe1
What you will need:
1.Google Voice number- http://www.google.com/voice
2.Callcentric account- http://www.callcentr...ate_plans01.php
3.IPkall account- http://phone.ipkall.com/
4.Express talk VoIP soft phone- http://www.nch.com.au/talk/index.html
5.Sipdroid, Csipsimple app- both in market or http://code.google.c....1.apk&can=2&q= / http://code.google.c...ls.apk&can=2&q=
6.Google Voice call free app or buy the full version and support the dev- both in market or http://advancedgv.totalh.com/ free version found here http://www.mediafire...qlkgkpt02xnw1zs
7.Dialer one app- found in market or http://code.google.c...rOne_v1.2.3.apk
8.Google voice- found in market or an older version can be downloaded here http://www.soft30.co...e-0-3-0/details i recommend the old version
Nice find! I'll have to set this up tomorrow.
I find it kind of awkward walking around, holding the tablet up to my ear...
Very nice
Nice configuration thanks
TheKaz said:
I find it kind of awkward walking around, holding the tablet up to my ear...
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perfect for a rap video. no joke.
Seriously!
OP: thanks for the link. This is an awesome find.
Thanks for the link but I'm having trouble getting it to work. Calls come into the tablet, I'm able to answer them but the connection doesn't seem to complete. While the tablet says it has connected, the dialing phone continues to ring and eventually goes to Google voicemail. Anyone have any luck getting this to work? I'm on Vegan 5.1.1
-John
twistedrotors said:
Thanks for the link but I'm having trouble getting it to work. Calls come into the tablet, I'm able to answer them but the connection doesn't seem to complete. While the tablet says it has connected, the dialing phone continues to ring and eventually goes to Google voicemail. Anyone have any luck getting this to work? I'm on Vegan 5.1.1
-John
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This is because you are only setting up a free account with CallCentric. You can only talk to other CallCentric users for free over the SIP connection. Unless you are going to purchase time there this will be of limited use for voice calls.
Texting however is another matter. This is working QUITE nicely for that. Texting on my Gtab....didn't think I would see that.
My only question is if sending texts counts as usage on the IPkall account. If it doesn't I will have to make a point of actually calling the number once a month to keep it active.
Nice work here.
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This is because you are only setting up a free account with CallCentric. You can only talk to other CallCentric users for free over the SIP connection. Unless you are going to purchase time there this will be of limited use for voice calls.
Texting however is another matter. This is working QUITE nicely for that. Texting on my Gtab....didn't think I would see that.
My only question is if sending texts counts as usage on the IPkall account. If it doesn't I will have to make a point of actually calling the number once a month to keep it active.
Nice work here.
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I was under the impression from the original write-up that calling and texting were completely free using this method.
Texting works just fine through the GV app for me.
-John
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twistedrotors said:
I was under the impression from the original write-up that calling and texting were completely free using this method.
Texting works just fine through the GV app for me.
-John
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I could get a call to make the tab ring but no voice so I went looking at the websites...
Right off CallCentric's page per the link:
"IP Freedom does not allow you to call traditional landline and mobile phones. If you like the idea of the Callcentric IP Freedom plan, but need to make calls to traditional phones please take a look at our Pay Per Call plan."
I may be missing something, but I assume that is the issue. I am not sure why they have us install the dialer software since you can dial through CSip.
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Well, I stand corrected. I messed with it a little more and I am able to get incoming calls.
The outgoing cannot be made directly. You have to call Google Voice and have it place the call/call you back. The directions have us installing an old version of Voice which I am not keen on.
Gonna play with it some more.
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Ok, I can text successfully to & from the tab and I can take incoming calls.
Not having any luck making outgoing calls. Google Voice Callback is not seeming to intercept the outgoing call to have Google voice place it and call my back so CallCentric is denying the call since it is not to one of their clients. Not sure what the problem is here.
Further I can't use Dialerone at all. Every time I try to use it to place an outgoing call it gives the famous android.process.acore error. I reviewed my complete contact list & cleared out entries causing prior problems and cleared my contact storage, but it didn't seem to make a difference.
Anyone here having luck with this?
Hey everyone its good to see my tutorial made it over here. If you have any questions you can ask me over here http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...s/7218-how-make-receive-free-calls-texts.html and then you can get your question answered faster
Skype
I use Skype to make calls. It works pretty well. I don't receive calls with it because I don't pay extra for a phone number but I do have a Skype acct to make calls to land lines.
On skype the microphone works pretty well while it sits in my lap.
I have the C&C Froyo setup on my gTab.
Oh. I should have mentioned that I have not been able to use Skype video calling. At some point I'm pretty sure that will be working but I'm been following other threads for now and I find 99% of my calls are not video anyway. My laptop works better for that anyway because of how I can set in on the counter.
GrooveIP works directly with your Google Voice number - no need to redirect to another system. GrooveIP is not free, but for a few dollars,it gives you the ability to make and receive calls. Paired with the Google Voice app, you have voicemail and SMS all on your gTablet.
I've been happy with Skype as well.I actually think Skype works better with the mic compared to GrooveIP, although both do work well. Of course, with Skype, you have to have SkypeIn, SkypeOut subscriptions, or Skype credit to make calls to landlines.
AmericanDane said:
Oh. I should have mentioned that I have not been able to use Skype video calling. At some point I'm pretty sure that will be working but I'm been following other threads for now and I find 99% of my calls are not video anyway. My laptop works better for that anyway because of how I can set in on the counter.
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I can make video calls on skype. Video quite bad, but it works. Im on TNT Lite 4.4
You need the latest skype, and have to enable video in the settings.
For those of us on sprint google voice is exceptionally awesome. I have google voice on my gtab combined with my sprint cell number and I am able to make and recieve text messages. It's pretty awesome. I've been told using gooveip works very well with it but I haven't bought it just yet. Right now I just don't see the need for it.
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none of the links work. how do I do this?
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none of the links work. how do I do this?
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Just find the Up to date ver as Jul 2 2014
What you will need:
1.Google Voice number- www.google.com/voice
2.Callcentric account- Callcentric IP Freedom rate plan
3.IPkall account- IPKall
4.Express talk VoIP soft phone- VoIP Phone Software - SIP VoIP Softphone for PC, Mac & Pocket PC THIS IS ONLY FOR COMPUTERS
5.Sipdroid, Csipsimple app- both in market or Sipdroid-2.0.1.apk - sipdroid - Create PBX account linked to Google Voice, call option "always ask" - Project Hosting on Google Code / CSipSimple_0.00-15-13-tls.apk - csipsimple - CSipSimple dev build for 0.00-15-13 with TLS - Project Hosting on Google Code
6.Google Voice callback free found in market or google voice call free found here gvfree.apk
7.Dialer one app- found in market or dialer one_1.3.3.apk - 4shared.com - online file sharing and storage - download
8.Google voice- found in market or an older version can be downloaded here Google_Voice_0.3.0.apk i recommend the old version
More info from probbiethe1 posted Here
enfermo said:
Just find the Up to date ver as Jul 2 2014
What you will need:
1.Google Voice number- www.google.com/voice
2.Callcentric account- Callcentric IP Freedom rate plan
3.IPkall account- IPKall
4.Express talk VoIP soft phone- VoIP Phone Software - SIP VoIP Softphone for PC, Mac & Pocket PC THIS IS ONLY FOR COMPUTERS
5.Sipdroid, Csipsimple app- both in market or Sipdroid-2.0.1.apk - sipdroid - Create PBX account linked to Google Voice, call option "always ask" - Project Hosting on Google Code / CSipSimple_0.00-15-13-tls.apk - csipsimple - CSipSimple dev build for 0.00-15-13 with TLS - Project Hosting on Google Code
6.Google Voice callback free found in market or google voice call free found here gvfree.apk
7.Dialer one app- found in market or dialer one_1.3.3.apk - 4shared.com - online file sharing and storage - download
8.Google voice- found in market or an older version can be downloaded here Google_Voice_0.3.0.apk i recommend the old version
More info from probbiethe1 posted Here
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You are correct this is up to date and all of the links should be working. I continue to update my thread to make sure everything still works. I just ported my moms old land line number that she has had for like 20 years over to Google voice and then did this same setup for her so she can still have her land line number and a "home phone" with out having to pay a dime extra for it.

Free Calling

http://mindmirror007.blogspot.com/2010/12/guide-how-to-set-up-internet-calling.html?m=1
The above is a manual for free voice calls over data connection. Only problem works only for US based users since you need a Google voice account available only to US based users.
Wonder if Google voice account use or only creation is limited to US? I expect you should be able to ise it worldwide if you can get around the initial geographic creation limitations. Any ideas on this?
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I get free voice using Google Voice and Groove IP. I can make calls out, but yet haven't figured a way to receive them.
Oditius said:
I get free voice using Google Voice and Groove IP. I can make calls out, but yet haven't figured a way to receive them.
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I use groove IP as well and it works great. In order to receive calls you need to log onto your google voice account and forward the number to google chat. After that you will be able to make and receive calls.
Latest Overcome on T-Mobile
So any suggestions on how to get a google voice account considering I am not in the US???
As a far shot I tried using market enabler to fake T-Mobile and Verizon as providers but as expected it didnt work.

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