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[Q] Install Google updates when rooted?

Searched but couldn't find answer to my exact question. I've rooted/unlocked my Nexus S but I haven't yet flashed a custom ROM. I've downloaded a few possibilities though
However, let's say I decide to stay on stock, the next update that comes out 2.3.5, can I just flash that like I used to before I flashed a new recovery (and renamed the original recovery file) or would I have to revert to the original recovery? If the latter, how would I do this?
---I'm finding fewer compelling reasons for custom ROMs on the great Nexus S, its stock after all! I have no reason to overclock and I'm not into custom themes. However, on my MT4G (Glacier) there were many compelling reasons to root and flash a custom ROM. I now have a close to stock experience, got rid of the bloatware, and I get 2 days of battery life with RoyalGinger 2.1.
Having said that, I'm still itching to flash a few different ROMs on the NS and compare. Why, because I can now.

fionalindberg said:
Searched but couldn't find answer to my exact question. I've rooted/unlocked my Nexus S but I haven't yet flashed a custom ROM. I've downloaded a few possibilities though
However, let's say I decide to stay on stock, the next update that comes out 2.3.5, can I just flash that like I used to before I flashed a new recovery (and renamed the original recovery file) or would I have to revert to the original recovery? If the latter, how would I do this?
---I'm finding fewer compelling reasons for custom ROMs on the great Nexus S, its stock after all! I have no reason to overclock and I'm not into custom themes. However, on my MT4G (Glacier) there were many compelling reasons to root and flash a custom ROM. I now have a close to stock experience, got rid of the bloatware, and I get 2 days of battery life with RoyalGinger 2.1.
Having said that, I'm still itching to flash a few different ROMs on the NS and compare. Why, because I can now.
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You can flash signed updates without any issue with CWM or the stock recovery.
However, if you flash a new kernel / boot partition the incremental updates will fail the assert checks. The same goes for themes / modified system files. If the update does an assert on those files to patch them it will fail and not flash.
If you are running a fully stock rom, unlocked with su added on though you won't have any troubles.

I too am using a mytouch 4G and thinking about getting the nexus s just looking at the roms and themes I had royal ginger 2.1 and the battery is amazing easily go 16 hours with heavy usage is there any roms here similar to that. Also I do not see any sense 3.0 like roms maybe I missed it but when you install a custom rom does the Nfc chip still work with out any problems even though I have not seen many places in N.Y.C using it or just maybe haven't noticed. *****Edit: sorry wrong side meant to post of Tmobile nexus s******

[Q] Clean Rom

Hello everyone,
What exactly does Clean Rom do? How is it different from what comes with the phone stock? Will Clean Rom mess with the updates that are pushed to our phones? Any big differences between layout?
Sorry for all the questions. I'm just not familiar with modifying my phone.

Must read more. Spend as much time as you can reading in the dev section. Clean ROM removes all of the ATT bloat and adds functionality like the FM radio and remapping the 3 dot menu button that takes up screen real-estate to the recent apps softkey. The recent apps can be accessed by holding down the home button, like we're familiar with. It also has performance and battery tweaks (says so in the changelog, haven't been using it long enough to notice). I flashed it the day before yesterday and I'm liking it.
Sent from my HTC One X

Clean Rom doesn't use profane language, think of it as the Will Smith of Roms...
Sent from my HOX running WCX

Did you bother to go to the Development forum, and read the CleanROM threads? They very well describe the features of each version of CleanROM.
You don't ever want to install an OTA update once on a custom ROM. It won't be compatible. Either it won't install, or it will remove root, or it will totally bork the system. The devs typically keep their ROM updated to the newest firmware base, and often long before the OTAs go out. So there is virtually never a benefit to updating via OTA (even if it did work).

Most custom ROMs prevent you from even getting an update pushed in the first place. Kind of a non-issue there.
To the OP, if you want to flash custom, just do it. Spend a few days on Clean, try out Smokin's ROM, too. Just find something you like. Worst that can happen is you RUU back to stock.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

SoberGuy said:
Most custom ROMs prevent you from even getting an update pushed in the first place. Kind of a non-issue there.
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Depends on the device, and I believe the carrier (and maybe the custom ROM as you mentioned). I've gotten OTA notification, and even able to download OTA (didn't install it, just to see if it would actually download . . . some have said custom ROMs will prevent that too) on 2 previous HTC devices on custom ROMs. But one was a Canada Bell phone used on AT&T, and the other was the WiFi-only Flyer tablet. So it may be that AT&T somehow directly blocks OTA to rooted phones.

redpoint73 said:
Depends on the device, and I believe the carrier (and maybe the custom ROM as you mentioned). I've gotten OTA notification, and even able to download OTA (didn't install it, just to see if it would actually download . . . some have said custom ROMs will prevent that too) on 2 previous HTC devices on custom ROMs. But one was a Canada Bell phone used on AT&T, and the other was the WiFi-only Flyer tablet. So it may be that AT&T somehow directly blocks OTA to rooted phones.
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I don't think att can see your on a custom ROM, it has to do with if the developer is able to include that ability or not.

Thank you for the replies!
I'm trying my best to understand how Clean Rom works. Is it the same thing as rooting a phone? Any disadvantages of using Clean Rom?
I'm just curious about how it works because I tried jailbreaking my iPhone and that made it very crash prone. It's a bad example but it's the reason why I never tried using custom software again but I'm interested in giving this a try. I only get about 2 hours screen time and about 12 hours of screen off time for my phone to die.
I did the HTC battery test and my phone went down to 92% so I'm pretty sure it's not the battery that's wrong with the phone.

RPTheLefty said:
I'm trying my best to understand how Clean Rom works. Is it the same thing as rooting a phone?
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It appears you need to do more reading to get a better understanding or root, ROMs, etc.
Root is just a change of permissions on your phone. It allows the user and apps access to system files that are normally restricted. Nothing more, nothing less.
Clean ROM (or installation of any custom ROM) is a total replacement of the firmware or operating system of the phone (also called a "ROM"). Clean ROM in particular is mostly based on the latest stock firmware version, but cleaned up to remove bloat, optimizations to make it faster and smoother, and some cool added features. There are 3 different versions of CleanROM. Just read the threads for each version to learn the differences.
I don't really keep up with iPhone stuff. But my understanding is that jailbreaking adds functionality, but makes the system less stable.
Whether a custom ROM on Android makes the phone more or less stable depends on the ROM. Some are ported from other phones, to give new UI look or functions, but can be a bit buggy at first. But any good ROM will be stable once it reaches "maturity" and the bugs are worked out. They can be very stable, and even more stable and smoother than the stock ROM. Which is one of the points of running a custom ROM.
CleanROM in particular is based on stock firmware, just cleaned up. So its very stable. Just as stable as stock, a bit smoother in some places, and with some awesome added features. Any disadvantages? Not really. But you need to unlock the bootloader to install any custom ROM, which voids the warranty. nd flashing anything to the phone has the risk of damage if you don't follow the instructions properly. Thats the only downsides I can think of (for any custom ROM, not just for CleanROM).

Redpoint had an excellent summary.
If you're looking for battery life improvement, there are significant advantages to a custom ROM. Some will allow you to adjust the clock rate for the processors. So you can turn the up a bit (overclock) to get incredible performance, or you can turn them down a bit (underclock) to get better battery life.
If that's your main goal, I personally suggest Sick Sense from Smokingl337. He has incorporated this into his ROM, and the reports I've seen have been positive. I had used his ROM before, and I did like it. The day I flashed CleanROM due to a minor bug, Smokinl337 updated his ROM to fix that bug. Figures! But I'll be going back to Sick Sense pretty soon, I'm sure.
Hopefully you can find something that works for you.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

Different kernel or different radio may also help battery life.
But you need to root, SuperCID, and unlock bootloader to do any of these things (including flashing custom ROMs). So head over to Development and start reading:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237

There is also a clean rom developers edition that takes out most of the HTC sense... there is the cm9 alpha 4 rom that seems very stable...
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

OP, I was in your shoes last week. New to android/roms etc. I rooted, unlocked the bootloader and flashed Clean Rom. Just follow the instructions in the associated threads and you'll be fine.

[Q] help with ktoonz kernel

i am currently running cleanrom 5.0 and flashed the ktoonz kernal kt747 and needed help with the KTweaker app that was installed with it, im a noob with roms, kernels,etc.., ive been learning a lot and fell confident flashing and all but can anyone help me with the settings in the KTweaker app, im mainly looking for battery performance and this kernel was reccomended but after 1 day of running it my battery performance was horriable, thank you in advance for any help.

I'm on cleanROM 5.0 also. I tried the other kernals but ended up flashing the rom over again and kept the default kernal as I am getting great battery and performance. 14 hours and 19 minutes at 20% battery, with 4 hours of screen on time. If this helps any. I know you were asking about ktoons but thought I would give you this.

thanks i liked the battery performance on cr5 just fine, just was trying to get a little more, and like i said im still a noob can i dirty flash the cr5 or do i have to clear everything like when i first flashed rom?

All I wiped was both the caches and flashed the roms again. All my apps stayed. Everything works like a charm.

I want to flash this to my rooted but stock
I want to flash this to my rooted but stock phone... I have not changed recovery because I want the updates.... Is there a way to do this where I will continue to recieve ota updates.... totally updated at this point to jellybean... I kept having problems with roms and am sick of messing around with them.
Side note how is your reception after the last update .... mine pretty much sucks.
Thank you

russianlul said:
I want to flash this to my rooted but stock phone... I have not changed recovery because I want the updates.... Is there a way to do this where I will continue to recieve ota updates.... totally updated at this point to jellybean... I kept having problems with roms and am sick of messing around with them.
Side note how is your reception after the last update .... mine pretty much sucks.
Thank you
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No you cant. And for the reception part there is nothing you can do other then flashing a ICS radio with odin but then I think your ota will fail too. http://rootzwiki.com/topic/34053-of...zon-sgs3-sch-i535-odin-or-recovery-flashable/
If you wanna flash a JB leaked radio (besides K3) then you will have to rock a custom recovery

[Q] Help - Touchwiz vs AOSP on S3

I dont know if its my phone or what but I haven't had any luck with AOSP ROMS on this phone. It seems like there's always some sort of bug that just kills it. I flashed a CM10.2 rom that felt like speed of lightning but was bugging out. I tried ecilpse and some others but all were to buggy for me. I recently tried to flash liquid cause I wanted to run something else other than touchwiz but it ruined my phone and now I cant flash custom ROMS(i have a help thread up..feel free).. Anyone else having bad luck on these AOSP ROMS

Not what you want to hear, but I'm having no issues with flashing new ROMs. I'm only using LiquidSmooth and waiting/hoping for a 'complete' 4.3 version, but again, no problems with flashing to a new ROM. I have been running LS2.9 (4.2.2) for several weeks and on Sunday flashed up to LS2.10 (4.3) but went back to 2.9 because when I mirror my phone on my AppRadio3, it doesn't auto-rotate my screen to landscape, so I have a portrait orientation of my phone on the radio display, which makes it so small as to be unusable.
I don't recall what method I used to root my phone, but I'm using TWRP 2.6.3 to perform a) a clean wipe every time (Factory Reset + System), then b) install the new ROM, and c) a final reboot back in to recovery and flash the latest gapps image. Does it take a little longer to follow this process? Sure, but it's a reliable process that means I don't have issues afterwards to mess with, so the extra time spent on the front end is worth it to me.

I've had moderate success with the AOSP ROMS. Each one seems to have it's own small bugs, but the AOSP ROMs that I've tried didn't have anything that ruined functionality. Been running Dirty Unicorn ROM for the past couple days and it is really solid. Haven't noticed any issues at all with it yet.

It's got to be your downloads or install process. Do you check MD5? If no then start. Remember just wipe data for each install. Updater-script in ROM zip wipes system for you. Cache resides in data. Do NOT restore system data using TiBu. Other than that I don't know what else to tell ya bud :/
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

Haven;t had any trouble with AOSP flashes, but many of the ROMs or maybe most have some bugs. All the so called AOSP ROMs are built off the same base, CM10. None of them support all the hardware and software features that Tocuhwiz supports. I find the custom TW ROMs far superior in features and as good or better in speed as well.
Make sure you are flashing a compatible Kernel when you switch between CM based ROMs and TW based

How to figure out what is causing heat and battery usage (CPU and Battery usage)

Hello. I have the GS5. For over three months it overheats like hell. Why because I did the firmware update and it all started with this.
TL;DR: I need an app or program that shows detailed percentage of usage and temperatures of apps. It would be great if you can find a real-time monitoring one like on PCs. My phone is rooted so feel free to recommend any app that suit my needs.
It overheats so much that I can barely able to hold the phone because it slips through so easily from my hand (nope my hands are not dirty, I wash them with lots of soaps ).
I bought a case and it is still somewhat hard to hold the phone with one hand but the case surely helped. Can use it with two hands but was able to use with one hand without any problems so why should I accept this right?
The cpu is around 40 Celsius at idle to very low usage. The battery is around 28 Celsius at idle. The room temps is 26 Celsius.
After using my phone for about fifteen mins, the battery is going up to 36-38 Celsius. The cpu is around 50 Celsius. Not playing games at all, just surfing on the web and installing one to two apps from Android Market. Do you think it is normal or excessive? I fell the heat in my hands. It was not been like this before the firmware update.
Although I did all wipes and flash the whole rom from scratch (even ticked Nand Erase All), my problem still persists so I am out of ideas. Maybe I can buy a new battery and a charger but I would like to make sure that the problem is not causing by software. Thank you.

karasahin said:
Hello. I have the GS5. For over three months it overheats like hell. Why because I did the firmware update and it all started with this.
TL;DR: I need an app or program that shows detailed percentage of usage and temperatures of apps. It would be great if you can find a real-time monitoring one like on PCs. My phone is rooted so feel free to recommend any app that suit my needs.
It overheats so much that I can barely able to hold the phone because it slips through so easily from my hand (nope my hands are not dirty, I wash them with lots of soaps ).
I bought a case and it is still somewhat hard to hold the phone with one hand but the case surely helped. Can use it with two hands but was able to use with one hand without any problems so why should I accept this right?
The cpu is around 40 Celsius at idle to very low usage. The battery is around 28 Celsius at idle. The room temps is 26 Celsius.
After using my phone for about fifteen mins, the battery is going up to 36-38 Celsius. The cpu is around 50 Celsius. Not playing games at all, just surfing on the web and installing one to two apps from Android Market. Do you think it is normal or excessive? I fell the heat in my hands. It was not been like this before the firmware update.
Although I did all wipes and flash the whole rom from scratch (even ticked Nand Erase All), my problem still persists so I am out of ideas. Maybe I can buy a new battery and a charger but I would like to make sure that the problem is not causing by software. Thank you.
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Please provide further information in regard to your device e.g. ROM, kernel etc.

noc.jfcbs said:
Please provide further information in regard to your device e.g. ROM, kernel etc.
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Sure. I haven't touched to kernel yet but I have a custom rom installed. I just installed it yesterday. Was using stock rom of Lollipop 5.0 of my country before. I also tried the UK rom (BTU) but all the same.

karasahin said:
Sure. I haven't touched to kernel yet but I have a custom rom installed. I just installed it yesterday. Was using stock rom of Lollipop 5.0 of my country before. I also tried the UK rom (BTU) but all the same.
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Despite only little information available, I assume the issue is kernel related. Had you e.g. overclocked and over-voltaged? Most likely not as you were on stock.
Your custom ROM certainly came with its own, new kernel. I suggest to monitor the overheating first as you just recently flashed the custom ROM. However, you can also play with the kernel settings (my current one has its own control-apk, or by using e.g. an apk called "Kernel Adiutor") to see what's best serves your requirements. If you're not happy with the custom ROM's kernel, you can flash a custom kernel but check compatibility first. And remember, when you're on a custom kernel every time you flash the custom ROM you'll have to re-flash the kernel.
Here's a real good guide regarding CPU governors, I/O schedulers and more:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/ref-to-date-guide-cpu-governors-o-t3048957

noc.jfcbs said:
Despite only little information available, I assume the issue is kernel related. Had you e.g. overclocked and over-voltaged? Most likely not as you were on stock.
Your custom ROM certainly came with its own, new kernel. I suggest to monitor the overheating first as you just recently flashed the custom ROM. However, you can also play with the kernel settings (my current one has its own control-apk, or by using e.g. an apk called "Kernel Adiutor") to see what's best serves your requirements. If you're not happy with the custom ROM's kernel, you can flash a custom kernel but check compatibility first. And remember, when you're on a custom kernel every time you flash the custom ROM you'll have to re-flash the kernel.
Here's a real good guide regarding CPU governors, I/O schedulers and more:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/ref-to-date-guide-cpu-governors-o-t3048957
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So I think I should update kernel on this custom rom with a new one? Because the OP says that flash hispasian kernel after flashing his rom. I haven't do that yet, nor I have experience about it. I believe I have a custom rom with stock kernel right now. I don't think it is related to custom rom. It overheats like I was on stock rom. Could be kernel. Can kernel be updated through the firmware update? It may explain why it starts to overheating after that. No, I haven't overclocked and over-voltaged the cpu. Maybe it came overclocked or over-voltaged with this custom rom but it isn't described.

karasahin said:
So I think I should update kernel on this custom rom with a new one? Because the OP says that flash hispasian kernel after flashing his rom. I haven't do that yet, nor I have experience about it. I believe I have a custom rom with stock kernel right now. I don't think it is related to custom rom. It overheats like I was on stock rom. Could be kernel. Can kernel be updated through the firmware update? It may explain why it starts to overheating after that. No, I haven't overclocked and over-voltaged the cpu. Maybe it came overclocked or over-voltaged with this custom rom but it isn't described.
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I suggest to surf your custom ROM's thread and to figure out, which kernels can go with this ROM and which are the experiences of other users with the respective kernel.
Firmware updates (I assume you mean now updates of your ROM) won't solve your problem because with the update comes its own kernel i.e. you need to flash afterwards the kernel you want again.
I always flash my custom kernel through recovery. As recovery, I personally recommend TWRP in its latest version (as you see in my signature block, I'm using TWRP v3.0.2). An in my opinion very good tool, to install (actually flash through your current recovery) TWRP is via an App (apk) called "Flashify".
After you've flash TWRP and rebooted, google how to flash a kernel or search XDA for my postings. I think I already describe somewhere how to do so.

noc.jfcbs said:
I suggest to surf your custom ROM's thread and to figure out, which kernels can go with this ROM and which are the experiences of other users with the respective kernel.
Firmware updates (I assume you mean now updates of your ROM) won't solve your problem because with the update comes its own kernel i.e. you need to flash afterwards the kernel you want again.
I always flash my custom kernel through recovery. As recovery, I personally recommend TWRP in its latest version (as you see in my signature block, I'm using TWRP v3.0.2). An in my opinion very good tool, to install (actually flash through your current recovery) TWRP is via an App (apk) called "Flashify".
After you've flash TWRP and rebooted, google how to flash a kernel or search XDA for my postings. I think I already describe somewhere how to do so.
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I mentioned firmware updates because I was wondering if stock (Samsung) rom firmware update did break something in stock kernel. Is it possible? I'm %99 positive this happened after the latest firmware update. I mainly flashed this custom rom to get rid of overheating problem but the problem persists.
I just flashed HispAsian kernel, which the creator of this custom ROM recommended, through TWRP and works fine for now. But nothing's changed about overheating.

karasahin said:
I mentioned firmware updates because I was wondering if stock (Samsung) rom firmware update did break something in stock kernel. Is it possible? I'm %99 positive this happened after the latest firmware update. I mainly flashed this custom rom to get rid of overheating problem but the problem persists.
I just flashed HispAsian kernel, which the creator of this custom ROM recommended, through TWRP and works fine for now. But nothing's changed about overheating.
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Look into the kernel settings as mentioned in post #4 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=67135599&postcount=4).
Before you change anything I suggest to educate yourself via the thread mentioned in that post, too.

noc.jfcbs said:
Look into the kernel settings as mentioned in post #4 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=67135599&postcount=4).
Before you change anything I suggest to educate yourself via the thread mentioned in that post, too.
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I actually don't care about custom roms. As long as I can find a solution for stock roms I would return to them. Could you please give me your solution for stock roms?

karasahin said:
I actually don't care about custom roms. As long as I can find a solution for stock roms I would return to them. Could you please give me your solution for stock roms?
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It's always your decision and desire. I think everything said also applies to stock ROM. Check your kernel settings and manipulate to your needs. Some tools were mentioned before.

noc.jfcbs said:
It's always your decision and desire. I think everything said also applies to stock ROM. Check your kernel settings and manipulate to your needs. Some tools were mentioned before.
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It is too complicated for me. If you could just point how to downlock the CPU's clock speed then I can try and see if it works to prevent overheating.
Also let's say I decide to return to stock rom. Will current kernel replace with stock one?

karasahin said:
It is too complicated for me. If you could just point how to downlock the CPU's clock speed then I can try and see if it works to prevent overheating.
Also let's say I decide to return to stock rom. Will current kernel replace with stock one?
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I'm not familiar with your phone (wasn't it a Samsung Galaxy S5) or your stock ROM (Lollipop?). I suggest that you address your questions in the GSG5 forum, where the gurus for your phone rest. Sorry for that.
Anyhow, I added two screenshots of the apk "Kernel Adiutor" (first two), and two of AGNi control, which came with my kernel. As you see both of them support manipulation of kernel settings.
IRT your last question: I'm convinced flashing stock ROM is also replacing current kernel. ...but as said: GSG5 forum.