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I have been using this build for quite a while now and decided to write a review of the ROM. Please keep in mind I am not a developer !!! I am simply writing this from a user standpoint and cannot nor will not support your problems. This is a review based on my opinions and usage of the ROM.
Pros:
I do like the UI. It is fairly stable and I haven't had much trouble out of it for the most part. The combination of ADW Launcher and the Cyanogen settings are great. The speed of the ROM is pretty good for a ported ROM based on GingerBread. I can't complain much about that. General things that I like are the advanced menus for customizing the dock and theme settings. The themed settings change icons for contacts, mail, messaging, phone, browser,calendar, and videos ( I may have missed some). The cyanogen settings cover an array of things that you can poke at but in my opinion should be included with stock builds as well. Overall if you were wanting to use this on a daily basis I think you would be ok to go ahead and install this ROM... NOTE: Don't hold me responsible if you brick your phone trying. It isn't one of the easiest roms I've
ever installed. The sleep policy has been fixed so that the phone doesn't reboot on unlock...which on my first flash hadn't been fixed and really really turned me off from this ROM.
Cons: I have yet to figure out why this is (again not a dev) but your microSD card will not mount when connected to the pc. I'm sure they are working on this but I haven't downloaded an update or nightly (which is current at the time of this post btw) that has fixed it. I do have some random picky things that I can't get an answer to, and good luck if you do...feel free to send them to me also. Some of my .mp3 ringtones will not work period. Different ones of even larger file size work... I'm not sure how that works out. Text messaging (native) doesn't work for incoming or outgoing... But I will say that I was having issues with that before so I can't blame that on this ROM. There are a few apps that won't work with this build easy uninstaller is one, I just get a fc. Battery is another issue that may be addressed with future releases. I don't run GPS (so don't ask if it's accurate) but keep wifi on all the time. I get probably about 8 hours with wifi on all the time. Not the best but definitely not the worst. You also cannot charge the phone while it is off... really not sure why, and the extended power menu doesn't work. And for the most part is an in depth install procedure... Back to stock with odin, flash two kernals, then a couple of files... Pretty lengthy and you have to be precise or else it bricks. Here it is if your interested... Thanks to MobileTechVideos for the instructions and video.
How to install CyanogenMod7
Other than that I have had virtually no problems (that I consider major) with this ROM and do like it and will probably continue to use it. If you have any general questions please feel free to ask. Again, again... I am not a dev so questions of that nature should be posted here: CyanogenMod7
I tried it and liked what works but it is still alpha quality and so i will wait for a few weeks until i give it another shot.
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I tried it and liked what works but it is still alpha quality and so i will wait for a few weeks until i give it another shot.
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I agree, it is definitely still a beta build and as noted by Cyanogen... hasn't been put into the stable build section of their forums. I do look forward to a stable build. Perhaps the Dev's can address some of the weird issues that I mentioned above.
i also was not able to send multi media mms never would go through i tried for 20 mins to receive and send ,
this rom is great but here is why it sucks, i watch the cyanogen nightlies for the galaxy s phones, and with the types of updates im seeing on the cappy versus lets say the vibrant , there is no ****ing hope and this rom is dead.
the last update fixed an install file wtf. so at this rate cyanogen will be rc in o id say next year. ill have a new phone by then. my money is on miui
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I agree, it is definitely still a beta build and as noted by Cyanogen... hasn't been put into the stable build section of their forums. I do look forward to a stable build. Perhaps the Dev's can address some of the weird issues that I mentioned above.
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Well you completely forgot to mention that, currently it cannot handle lots of video format, most importantly mkv and even if you find something like Rock Player, there's a lot of lag in it. You cannot charge the phone while its off (because it'll turn on as soon as you plug the charger in). Also, you might encounter a totally new problem which you may not have an idea about. If captivate is your spare phone then play with it else stay away for a while until a RC is released.
This is just my opinion from 3 days of experience on CM7.
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It was a total flop for me :/
It ran well when I first installed it, but started running "funny" (random crashing) after I installed gapps, then totally started crapping out after the 3/16 update.
I ended up ditching it for a 2.2 rom, mostly because I didn't feel I was gaining anything substantive and losing things I regularly use, like a feature rich camera app and divx playback support.
Been running for 3 days. 0 problems.
I've ran into a few bugs. External SD, booting when usb plugged in. Only charging to 95% (apparently a feature not a bug). At one point my signal shot down to searching, then it recovered and grabbed a signal. Not sure what caused that, but it was random.
I also cannot get it to mount to my PC. Kind of annoying, but if I need to transfer anything I just use dropbox.
I like it, and I think I'll keep with it. Even though it isn't 100%, I love gingerbread, and it's working for me.
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Well you completely forgot to mention that, currently it cannot handle lots of video format, most importantly mkv and even if you find something like Rock Player, there's a lot of lag in it. You cannot charge the phone while its off (because it'll turn on as soon as you plug the charger in). Also, you might encounter a totally new problem which you may not have an idea about. If captivate is your spare phone then play with it else stay away for a while until a RC is released.
This is just my opinion from 3 days of experience on CM7.
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I did forget that you cannot charge the phone while off and now that you mention it the extended power menu doesn't work either. It is fairly aggravating that Cyanogen updates the vibrant with "real" fixes other than this fixing little things but... All in all, it is still usable, just not stable or reliable.
Every time I try and warn someone that CM7 is not yet ready for primetime I get bashed for it, yet there seem to be plenty of people echoing my comments. Like I said in another thread, the people that are saying CM7 is stable and works great are either not using their device to its full potential or are willing to live without certain features. There is really no compelling reason to live with a ROM that has this many bugs or deficiencies when you consider how many really good ROMs there are available for our Cappys that have few, if any, issues. Yeah, they may not have Gingerbready theming or cutesy animations, but they just work. Andromeda 1.2 is one that comes to mind.
I am on it from I think last friday...Not a single problem...atleast how i use it...of course except battery life...which I am trying to solve...
Rock player worked well for me...I watched couple of movies when I was on road....never lagged just stopped couple of times....
great GPS...instant locks...i am amazed...But I also tried MIUI...and it is very very fast...and something different which I never experienced before...I think people should give it a try...ofcourse it has bugs too as it based on CM7...but they fixed camera bug and little stuff.....
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Every time I try and warn someone that CM7 is not yet ready for primetime I get bashed for it, yet there seem to be plenty of people echoing my comments. Like I said in another thread, the people that are saying CM7 is stable and works great are either not using their device to its full potential or are willing to live without certain features. There is really no compelling reason to live with a ROM that has this many bugs or deficiencies when you consider how many really good ROMs there are available for our Cappys that have few, if any, issues. Yeah, they may not have Gingerbready theming or cutesy animations, but they just work. Andromeda 1.2 is one that comes to mind.
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I am by no means saying that it is ready for the masses... The only one that I would suggest without a second thought to someone who isn't willing to deal with at least some problems is Cognition Series by DesignGears. To my knowledge (and opinion) this is the absolute best rom for the captivate. IF ... Cyanogen gets to the point of a Cognition rom in function and use, then I might suggest it for the masses but not until then.
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Every time I try and warn someone that CM7 is not yet ready for primetime I get bashed for it, yet there seem to be plenty of people echoing my comments. Like I said in another thread, the people that are saying CM7 is stable and works great are either not using their device to its full potential or are willing to live without certain features. There is really no compelling reason to live with a ROM that has this many bugs or deficiencies when you consider how many really good ROMs there are available for our Cappys that have few, if any, issues. Yeah, they may not have Gingerbready theming or cutesy animations, but they just work. Andromeda 1.2 is one that comes to mind.
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Your right in regard to it not being ready for most users (many are already praising the miui 2.3.3 also which is even less stable.....not saying it isn't promising). I think it breaks into 2 camps.
1. If you are a power user that wants all aspects of your device to function as intended...not for you. More specifically, If you use an external SD especially if your moving files to and from mounted to a PC....this is not the rom for you (this is my biggest gripe at this point). If you do lots of video in different formats...not for you as you will face compatibility issues. If you have to ask how your flash back to stock....this is probably not for you. If you value battery life as a top priority...not yet for you. Most of the other deficiencies or shortcomings had adequate work arounds but you until the major issues are resolved you will quickly find yourself flashing back to Phoenix, Firefly, Serendipity, Andromeda, etc.)
2. If you don't use and external SD and/or do much media vid/music then i can see why many view this as "stable" for their purposes. The UI, menus, and animations are smooth/fast and i never really had any issues with force closes while using it. Maybe its better linguistically to say its incomplete rather than refer to is as unstable and sorry if it offends the early adopters but if you are using it as your daily driver its pretty obvious you are using an inferior rom @ this point.
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I am by no means saying that it is ready for the masses... The only one that I would suggest without a second thought to someone who isn't willing to deal with at least some problems is Cognition Series by DesignGears. To my knowledge (and opinion) this is the absolute best rom for the captivate. IF ... Cyanogen gets to the point of a Cognition rom in function and use, then I might suggest it for the masses but not until then.
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i would easily put a handful of roms on par with cognition:
Firefly, Supernova, Phoenix, Serendipity, Andromeda.
bames said:
Your right in regard to it not being ready for most users (many are already praising the miui 2.3.3 also which is even less stable.....not saying it isn't promising). I think it breaks into 2 camps.
1. If you are a power user that wants all aspects of your device to function as intended...not for you. More specifically, If you use an external SD especially if your moving files to and from mounted to a PC....this is not the rom for you (this is my biggest gripe at this point). If you do lots of video in different formats...not for you as you will face compatibility issues. If you have to ask how your flash back to stock....this is probably not for you. If you value battery life as a top priority...not yet for you. Most of the other deficiencies or shortcomings had adequate work arounds but you until the major issues are resolved you will quickly find yourself flashing back to Phoenix, Firefly, Serendipity, Andromeda, etc.)
2. If you don't use and external SD and/or do much media vid/music then i can see why many view this as "stable" for their purposes. The UI, menus, and animations are smooth/fast and i never really had any issues with force closes while using it. Maybe its better linguistically to say its incomplete rather than refer to is as unstable and sorry if it offends the early adopters but if you are using it as your daily driver its pretty obvious you are using an inferior rom @ this point.
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Excellent post.
Glad to see users sharing their experience on CM7. This is always good foe the community. I hope to see new users to read this thread prior to making any decision whether to flash CM7 2.3.3 or not.
On another note, I'm sure once Samsung do final release of Gingerbread 2.3.3 for i9000 series (last I heard that an early beta was released), we cappyites will see stable release.
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Regarding the phone turning on when charging, I believe it's a gingerbread "feature". It's been said that it is working as intended. Also, the iphone does the same thing so I don't really see it as an issue. It's probably google seeing behavior they like and implementing it.
You can not mount the external sd but you can transfer to your internal then on the phone transfer to external, so I am not certain it Is fair to say you can not use your external sd. Video is an issue, and battery is as well.
At this point in time it is a trade off, there are several things cm7 can't do well or can not do at all. there are also several things it does much better than any 2.2 rom or are not available on 2.2 roms.
Its all preference and priorities. Kinda like any best rom discussion.
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Every time I try and warn someone that CM7 is not yet ready for primetime I get bashed for it, yet there seem to be plenty of people echoing my comments. Like I said in another thread, the people that are saying CM7 is stable and works great are either not using their device to its full potential or are willing to live without certain features. There is really no compelling reason to live with a ROM that has this many bugs or deficiencies when you consider how many really good ROMs there are available for our Cappys that have few, if any, issues. Yeah, they may not have Gingerbready theming or cutesy animations, but they just work. Andromeda 1.2 is one that comes to mind.
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Largely it its because you have never used it, and have only tried one rom. That and you are compelled to jump on any thread that mentions it as if it is a personal mission. It its not as if you do not make some valid points, but it is not hard to see why it may rub some the wrong way after a while.
This is not an attempt to start something, but your comments make it seem like there is no warrant to people who go back at you.
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Largely it its because you have never used it, and have only tried one rom. That and you are compelled to jump on any thread that mentions it as if it is a personal mission. It its not as if you do not make some valid points, but it is not hard to see why it may rub some the wrong way after a while.
This is not an attempt to start something, but your comments make it seem like there is no warrant to people who go back at you.
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Agreed... I was not trying to start a thread to bash any rom. However I do know that there are some hard feelings that are out based on certain features that work or don't and peoples impressions about the ROM itself. I also know that there is quite a bit of loyalty to certain ROM creators that no matter what they aren't going to be going to a new ROM simply because they are loyal to that dev... which is fine! I simply wanted to create an avenue for people who have used the ROM to pass along information and opinions on the ROM to people who are thinking about switching to it. People are entitled to their opinions and I am all for that... Just don't bash any of the devs or their work, it is not easy putting this stuff together and I for one am happy that I have a place I can go to that allows me to get away from stock. I hope that all will realize that
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Largely it its because you have never used it, and have only tried one rom. That and you are compelled to jump on any thread that mentions it as if it is a personal mission. It its not as if you do not make some valid points, but it is not hard to see why it may rub some the wrong way after a while.
This is not an attempt to start something, but your comments make it seem like there is no warrant to people who go back at you.
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Excellent post.
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The terminology might be better as incomplete instead of unstable. great post.
Been using the bullet proof rom since I got this phone about 10 months ago, as much as I would like to switch to something better, I cant because it looks like almost every rom available is pre-alpha pre-beta, comes with a bunch of things not working, or has battery issues.
I know the Doubleshot isnt a popular phone, but this is really starting to suck. Seems to me that someone decides to build a new rom, makes a few updates over 2-3 months, then completely abandons the project due to getting a new phone. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Id love to have a cyanogenmod 7 mod, yet alone 9 for this phone, or even a stock ICS 4.04 rom, but it doesnt look like its ever going to happen with this phone. I think this will be the last HTC phone I buy, ive had 3 of them (one was WinMo 6.0) and none of them had official updates. All I can do now is watch people post a ROM, provide a few updates, then completely abandon the project.
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
Blue was kind enough to post system.img and boot.img from the latest ota ( links could be shot because of a goo crash ) and dsi made the dsixda kitchen that will cook them images into a rooted Stock ROM. The kitchen will need a file added to tools/edify_defs ( its a script that allows the kitchen to know the partition locations of your device ) because he dropped support a while ago, but it works great as a tool. So you could always start there and once you get some things under your belt you could jump in and lend a hand in this long term support you are seeking?
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I do think that people arrive at your conclusions due to three main reasons:
- The misunderstanding that developers are doing this for the users. ( some may, by far most are not)
- The user mentality of owning a smart phone. You want to have this device as long as you can, and get the most out of it.
Most devs see it another way. They want to stay on the cutting edge and try to break new ground. Regardless of how awesome a device is at launch, you are still looking at a limited window of time before it's old hat.
I think that more and more you will be seeing devs moving on more quickly due to the commercial success of the smart phone. Not just an expensive device for a few, anymore they are a dime a dozen for the many.
I've owned 3 doubleshots, still have two. Have an SGSIII, and am thinking about picking up one of the SGSIII international models.
...and that is fast becoming the M.O. of development. Squeeze out whatever learning you can until you benefit more from newer hardware.
Some devs will work on a device until it's about to or just starting to lose it's resale value so they can minimize the move forward.
- The third - and arguably most important reason - is the average user has no idea how much time, effort but most of all frustration goes into working on a device.
Especially for newer devs. For every one accomplishment, there are many, many failures. Failures that may have taken days of almost around the clock work. Failures that - in order to reach - took the place of spending time with friends, significant others or social gatherings. Giving up that day with your friends at the beach just to spend the whole time working on something that not only doesn't work, but even the parts of it you can salvage aren't useful.
This is what learning is like when you are the steward of your own education. You have to make sacrifices like ignoring your friends and family, cutting down on work hours, blowing off your girlfriend for a box with a screen.
Guess what - that whole graphics project for bulletproof that resulted in a 3 part tutorial? A 70 something hour bender where I walked away from the machine twice for less then ten minutes a pop for a quick bathroom break and to make some ramen noodles.
It was ramen noodles because I stopped working for a few months to learn android and build stuff for the doubleshot. Pennies can only be pinched so far.
...and I can't tell you how much I despise and hate actually doing graphics work. It makes me agitated and angry.
But ya know what? I did it to show what could be done and generate tutorials so other people could do it and free me to do other things, yet still enjoy the visual entertainment/enhancements the community would bring.
...and I was let down, in a big way. No one else really got into doing it. No one else invested the time to make graphical mods to. apk files we have or to sense. ( no slight to the very few of you that did)
You've had this phone for ten months, where are your roms, mods or graphical enhancements and stuff?
You argue that so few get involved - yet you do little to help.
This device was my first step into the dev ring. If I can be as successful at it - no reason you can't too. If you'd rather spend time doing other things, well, you never will learn to dev.
These kind of threads are disheartening. The community survives and thrives through your participation. By not pitching in to help, you are forcing the few that do to bear the weight of all forward development for the device.
Don't complain that we few are burnt out when you can't count yourself amongst us.
This division is one you highlight, while we try to eliminate. Come to our side and help out.
Bulletproof had over 2,000 downloads when I checked last back in march/april. No one used it as a springboard to build on?
At the end of the day...
elister said:
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
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... it's waiting for you to make it.
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Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
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Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
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strapped365 said:
Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
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When I see a rom posted in the developers forum, if its based on ICS 4.0 or better, all I do is read the what works and what doesnt work section. For a long time it seemed almost every rom had problems with the SD card being used as a USB Flash drive (meaning I would have to disconnect the SDHC, connect to reader just to copy files). Now the problems tend to either be camera related (which I absolutely need) or battery issues in which it gets hot or drains faster.
So way early on, I was reading through pages upon pages of posts to see if problems get resolved (which often they dont unless they post another build), but now I just read the first page to get to the details (to see whats not working in the rom), then pass when there are too many things not working.
I kinda like the official update, because they tend to be stable.
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
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U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
K7Cobb said:
U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
polarbearmc said:
lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Yes thats the goal but if theyve released the rom with 1 or 2 problems then why should it be a problem. I use virtuous infinty and has 2 problems thats it. Dont quote me but i dont think there is a PERFECT ROM. Because again it is a rom not made by the company but our devs. And then again the roms our devs make have less serious problems than the ones companies have
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polarbearmc said:
lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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EXACTLY. I'm not a dev but this is what I did not want to happen but seems like nobody can agree
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For those that haven't taken the time to READ to see what others are saying about how a ROM works......well there is no excuse for you and IMHO have no business saying a word about anything. If a person is so smart that they know how things SHOULD work but can't even figure out a few commands in ADB & how to make it work then you're getting things backasswards. Just download it, evaluate it and if you don't expend the friggin' TIME to read then just STFU!
What you're showing is ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for the vast amounts of time and effort these developers have sat at home alone into the wee hours of the morning LEARNING by trial & error and collaboration among themselves for their OWN betterment. NOT FOR OURS!!! We are ALL damn lucky that they see fit to share ANYTHING with ANY of us and ask for nothing more that a little honest feedback and an occasional THANK YOU!
now....off my friggin' soapbox
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lower your rom standards?
there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
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We shouldn't be asking unless we can help in some way, shape or form. As you said, all the devs are doing what they can though we may not be aware of it. Look at how much time Blue put in Bulletproof alone. Kudos Blue!!!
If you want a ROM with no known issues, it exists! Go back to STOCK! LoL One of each ROM that's fully working will not happen because of the reasons that Blue listed and I agree with him completely. And the term "lower your ROM standards" is very fitting to me. It doesn't mean settle for less, but more so just pick the ROM that best suits you. They are there.
My DD right now is MikXE for various reasons and I've never had a single problem with it...at all. I don't use WiFi tethering or WiFi calling but those are features important to some(now I'd LOVE for just 1 feature to be added to it *cough* screenoffmusiccontrol Strapped *cough* LoL), but if it doesn't I'm not going to die. Already perfect in my eyes and I love it the way it is! And Blue's Bulletproof is flawless, everything works!
If a person doesn't like reading then XDA isn't the place to be. Sometimes within the thread there are tips shown that will fix some issues within the ROM that one might not know existed without reading. Then, in other threads there are ways to tweak things to get certain features working in the ROM that may show as not working in the OP...sometimes! Either way, if we want EVERY single feature on the phone working (Even the ones we don't use?) then Stock/Bulletproof is the only way to go. Otherwise, just get a new phone...?
Makes no sense feeling we deserve better for our phones when we have better, but just not up to "our standards". What the devs do...is FREE! As Strapped mentioned, if we had none of these ROMs/Threads, what would we do then? I for one sure as hell don't want to find out!
WELL SAID!!!!
Threads like this sincerely make me sick. I'm an end user ONLY for lack of a viable machine to build on... Somehow i figure building roms on the device isn't feasible (haha!) But my first reaction to this thread was "don't flame the guy don't flame the guy."
These developers have taken what some people get paid to do and enhanced it to almost an art form where they are singularly doing the job that entire DEVELOPMENT teams get paid to do for MONTHS at a time and you have a developer like XMC working on 4 roms at a time AND a kernel and whatever else AND a real job and school or whatever. Seriously if they aren't doing enough for you then code your own dream rom or run miktouch (which ran off stock kernel PERFECTLY for me for the first three months I was rooted).
Besides... What is stable for me might not be for you, or for any of the other end users here. I've ran MikXE, Vanillabean, MikMIUI, CM9 alphas 2-6, Paranoid Android and am currently running Virtuous Infinity alpha 2. ALL have been more than stable enough to function for me with a few quirks... Given i don't depend on Wifi as much as some, but still. Everyone makes a huge deal out of 1080 camcorder but seriously on this screen nobody can tell a resolution difference. I needed gps to work well and calling to work... I was a pizza delivery guy so that was what I needed to be stable.
Seriously to the OP - IF you aren't brave enough to try roms and see what works for you (seeing as how i've had ZERO of the reported bugs i've seen on most of the roms i have run) then stfu and do us all a favor and go back to stock or get a nexus and have a good time. There you can have 50 versions of everything you could ever want to ***** about. OR become a viable member of this great team and contribute. Help test the roms because stability is only a NAND away.
*steps off my soapbox*
And to answer the subject question:
There are plenty of stable roms to choose from. Most every rom here can be used as a daily driver... It just comes down to what YOU can live with as far as bugs go... After all stock had that battery getting really hot "bug" didn't it?
Wifi disconnecting with screen off without an app seems so inconsequential compared to a bug that can fry your device, right? Lets not forget that i've been testing roms and kernels that might've fried my device with only a G1 as a backup LOL.
Oh yeah... And in case you guys missed it...
TBalden, Kornyone, XMC-Wildchild,Strapped365, Sun_Dream, Blue and the rest... You guys kick ass. Let me know if you're ever in Bama and i'll buy you all a beer or several. And... Welcome riyal as well! You have taken my doubleshot from stock hell to the ecstasy that is whatever os i feel like running at any given time.
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Well to tell all the ICS ROMs around here should have been stable already only if we were given ICS updates. Problem is we were not and developers recycle CM source code or ROMs from other HTC devices praying that most of them would work to bring up ICS on our device. Ok that's fine but there are propriety files still missing or incompatible drivers which makes the bugs. Unless some dev would put his life in reverse engineering the missing drivers and stuffs we wouldn't be expecting any stable ICS ROMs here.
@onebornoflight
what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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@onebornoflight
what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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You have started contributing - that kernel in the virtuous beta post is a contribution - see you HAVE provided dev type stuff...
Or would you prefer to be unincluded LOL?
And welcome btw!
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I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Its fixed in the latest alphas, should also be fixed in the latest "stable". But run alpha 5 its the most stable. Overall
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I checked out the unofficial bug report page and it was littered with dozens of bugs, some of which seemed major.
I use my phone from the moment I wake up to minutes before I sleep so I am concerned. I'm very new to this whole cyanogen mod thing so please forgive me if my question seems redundant; approximately when will the cyanogen10 mod be perfected (or very well near perfected)? Are the previous cyanogen mods less buggy? To what extent? Approximately how many updates do you think it will go through before it gets to that point where there are almost no bugs at all?
I did search all over the forum before asking this question, and it seems I'm the only person noob enough to ask such a question.
Thank you all for reading!
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You're not the "only" person who has this question because it has been asked countless times in years past. There are no ETA's provided or to be expected of the CyanogenMod team. Their number one rule is: No ETA's. It may be a month, it may be a year, that's just how it is. CM is a continuous work in progress.
If you want stability right this minute and don't want to worry about what's broken in what build, flash a stock TW rom. I'm not on CM10 so idk what is or is not stable. I'm not condemning AOSP. If you don't want to deal with potential bugs then you should only flash the "stable monthly" builds. These get the most publicity and are clearly marked.
Btw, why "bump" a thread you just made ten minutes ago? People have eyes.
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You're not the "only" person who has this question because it has been asked countless times in years past. There are no ETA's provided or to be expected of the CyanogenMod team. Their number one rule is: No ETA's. It may be a month, it may be a year, that's just how it is. CM is a continuous work in progress.
If you want stability right this minute and don't want to worry about what's broken in what build, flash a stock TW rom. I'm not on CM10 so idk what is or is not stable. I'm not condemning AOSP. If you don't want to deal with potential bugs then you should only flash the "stable monthly" builds. These get the most publicity and are clearly marked.
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thank you so much for replying, I realize there can never really be a definite date for such a project, but I'm curious as to what the average timeframe for cyanogen projects to be completed.
Well, my experience has been that it's "most complete" by about a year. That said, there's always various builds within that time that are literally "bug free" or they appear to be based on your respective use. You might use a nightly that's fine for you but it isn't for another person based on their needs. It really helps to keep up with a rom thread to see what is or is not working from a user perspective. I've noticed that with LTE phones, there's a layer of complexity due to the RIL (radio interface layer) and that causes setbacks as well. Basically, data drops or no LTE may ruin an otherwise "complete" experience IF it happens for you.
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Well, my experience has been that it's "most complete" by about a year. That said, there's always various builds within that time that are literally "bug free" or they appear to be based on your respective use. You might use a nightly that's fine for you but it isn't for another person based on their needs. It really helps to keep up with a rom thread to see what is or is not working from a user perspective. I've noticed that with LTE phones, there's a layer of complexity due to the RIL (radio interface layer) and that causes setbacks as well. Basically, data drops or no LTE may ruin an otherwise "complete" experience IF it happens for you.
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if it isn't too much, can I ask what rom you're using at the moment?
I prefer TW because I actually want a few of the Samsung features so I'm using CleanRom by Scrosler. I haven't updated to the latest version however because I like to wait out rom releases a bit. I suggest trying out different roms and reading threads to see what others already have problems with. Chances are, if it's been out for at least two weeks, someone has already posted about an issue that you are cautious about from a previous experience.
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these roms are hardly ever fully finished. it should get pretty darn close once we get our jb ota so they can merge ril and official driver fixes. heck by the time we get our ota, key lime will be out and cm11 will be started. it's a never ending cycle with aosp roms.
I'm surrendering .. as soon as I can i am going to replace my G2x. And I will enjoy smashing it to tiny bits with a hammer as soon as I have a replacement in hand.
My advice: do the same. Give up on this phone. It is not worth it.
Neverless THANKS TO EVERYONE here who works on this unit--you kept me going for a long time and I am grateful.
Almost two years now I have been struggling with this phone ... tried many different ROMs, different basebands, paying attention to how different apps affected the battery, changed around mount positions for external storage, spent time on the GPS configuration, etc., etc.
I found some decently stable configurations--some where almost everything worked. The best was CM7.2 with v21y baseband--usable (~12 hour) battery life, good sound quality, and no battery pulls, overheating, or SODs. However no voice over bluetooth and no call waiting.
Next I found a configuration where bluetooth voice worked but call waiting still didn't work and now GPS couldn't lock.
Then I found a configuration where I had both bluetooth and GPS, and acceptable call quality, but still no call waiting.
At the moment I decided to accept this state of affairs, and the at-best 12 hours battery life, I get ... overheating, random reboots and SODs again!
Ah f**k you Lucky Goldstar. Never again for LG for me--not even if someone gave me a free Nexus 4.
I picked up a Samsung Galaxy a few months ago in the Philippines ... it cost 1/5 the price I paid for the g2x. EVERYTHING WORKS. It is slow, and has a small screen, but again, it JUST WORKS. GPS, bluetooth, battery life, call waiting, etc., etc. It is the LOWEST-END android phone that I am aware of. And yet it kicks the butt of my G2x on its worst day. Even with its low-end hardware I am saving so much time having a phone that just does what I ask of it.
I am not writing this to advertise for a specific phone .. but to share my near-religious revelation with others here: THERE ARE BETTER PHONES! And the G2x WILL NEVER BE ADEQUATE.
My eyes are open and I have seen the light!
Wow, I wish I had spent all the time working on this phone to more productive uses--I could easily afford three new Note IIs by now.
At least I understand the Android OS much more than I ever could have, so that is some silver lining.
All that being said I want to give a THANK YOU to everyone here whose hard work helped me on the way. You rock.
I'm running mokee and have my phone set to restart every night at 5am. Wake up with it feeling snappy. Usually slows by the end of the day, but it's usable.
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I feel your pain. It's been a never ending struggle to get this phone running stable. Too many FC's SODs, phone app crashes and slow-motion lag, regardless of the ROMs I've used. Been without HWA too long on custom ROMs, also.
All the efforts from the devs, along with their knowledgeable information and advice, is much appreciated. Through all of the adversity that we had to face with the missing drivers and code, I've learned a lot about the inner workings of the Android system.
As anxious as I am to try JB on this phone, I'd rather have it fully working than having no phone functions at all on a JB ROM. This phone is no longer a priority to devs because it's two years old, which is completely understandable.
I'll be flashing CM7.2 (maybe the nightlies) and will just grit my teeth and tough it out for the next month or two.
I hope to see all of the same devs from here in the GS IV threads, because that's the next phone I'm getting. Then I can retire this G2x and if the code is ever released and a fully functional ROM compiled, I'll flash it, just for the sake of closure.
To be fair, the G2X is a great phone. It's built really well, I love how sturdy it feels, but it's just the software (and LG's Manufacturing) that let it down. Luckily, with our devs here, we got upgrades and fixes for all the crap that LG fails to fix. It sucks that we have to be stuck with the modem that will not let us get a fully functioning radio (Unless our awesome developers succeed in their struggle to, again, do things that LG never bothered to do.) Such a great phone, ruined by LG. The only reason I got my Nexus 4 was because it's backed by Google. I would never buy the Optimus G or any other phone from LG until they have solid software support.
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I'm surrendering .. as soon as I can i am going to replace my G2x. And I will enjoy smashing it to tiny bits with a hammer as soon as I have a replacement in hand. ...
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I think that the stock ROM is not perfect (it's made by LG coders after all), but the custom ROMs are much worse and make you have all these issues you described here. I tried lots of customs, but ended up with the last rooted stock from LG, having stablity, battery life, less some eyecandies.
(I don't want to offend any developers that spend their time developing custom roms, but honestly, it's only 'hobby' projects)
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I think that the stock ROM is not perfect (it's made by LG coders after all), but the custom ROMs are much worse and make you have all these issues you described here. I tried lots of customs, but ended up with the last rooted stock from LG, having stablity, battery life, less some eyecandies.
(I don't want to offend any developers that spend their time developing custom roms, but honestly, it's only 'hobby' projects)
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I also use rooted stock. I hate it, but I hate it less than the dozens of custom roms I have used. Mazouts and adampk's roms are our only hope.
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I'm running mokee and have my phone set to restart every night at 5am. Wake up with it feeling snappy. Usually slows by the end of the day, but it's usable.
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How can you set your phone to restart at a certain time?
hmichaelkim said:
How can you set your phone to restart at a certain time?
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I bought the app Reboot Scheduler.
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But isn't it T-Mobile that is to blame for the software failure of the G2x? LG reps tell you that it's up to T-Mobile whether an upgrade is available? Because I think the P900 has an ICS ROM by LG?
LG still released a phone that overheats and locks up. Even if gingerbread is old now, other phones aren't broken when they're using it.
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So this day came earlier than I thought.
I even said not lately though, that I will hold on to this phone for as long as it would last.
but...I kinda have mixed feelings selling today my last SGS 4G (had 2 of them).
At first, I had SGS international version (i9000) and came to the US as a tourist in Summer of 2011.
While in the US, I wanted to buy 2 more of them - 1 to my mom and 1 to my wife.
Somehow, the Manhattan cellphone shop seller tricked me into buying this phone saying "they are the same",
only to find out the same day that they are not.
So, when I came back to my home land (Israel) I took both of them to me and my wife and gave my mom the i9000.
After bricking my own, flashing a vibrant ROM, doh... I started to learn more, flashed Raver's ROMs than Valhalla and finally started to inject Hebrew and other languages into ROMs. flashing 95% of the ROMs in this forum until I left my wife with FBis251's AOKP and I kept trying every possible ROM that came.
At some point I tried to port ROMs, but that didn't quite work, and I haven't ever tried to build them from source.
I can say that due to the miserable internal storage it has, I lost many sleepless nights swapping apps with Titanium Backup (never got the hang of sd-ext and it never worked for me) and I must have cursed Sammy and everyone related to it, but, in the bottom line, I used this phone to the limit, understood how Android really works, made 2 corporate presentations on Android OS and finally decided to study mobile applications development (I already finished the Android part, now starting the iOS) and I believe I will be starting my own mobile app development business in a few months, so I can't really say this phone hasn't driven me into changing my career and destiny.
So after selling my wife's SGS4G to a classmate for mobile app development purposes (upgrading her to i9300 international SGS3), and after upgrading my mom to the same model - I decided to return to my old SGS i9000, selling today my very own (most abused) SGS 4G and finish this part of technological life.
I plan on holding the i9000 until March/April 2015 when the SGS5 will come out -at that point I will buy SGS4 (it will be cheaper then).
I'm never on plans or commitments, I barely speak ...
So I want to take this opportunity to personally thank the amazing guys who walked with me this long journey,,,
RaverXXX - my first ever flashed ROM (I think it was Froyo Audiophiles....)
Krylon360 and DRHonk - For Valhallla ROM (my very first self customized ROM)
Alon2 - Who together with me gave the world the first ever Hebrew SGS4G ROM.
FBis251 - For KJ6 debloater, Aroma installer customizations, TWRP, AOKP and more...
DSexton702 - For giving us crazy mods and customizations and having limitless patience and support (well, until he moved on...))
Bryan (AKA Bhundven) and AntonX - For keeping development alive, mostly great kernels when we most needed them.
Jeffsf - For the auto-brightness fix.
Erikmm (Beastmode) - For giving us MIUI (my longest lasting ROM ) almost a year back and forth) and many more ROMs and endless support
DaothanDuy - For keeping the legacy of Erkmmm (see above) with endless ROMs that keep appearing.
Lumin30 and eollie for their endless support, guides and explanations.
Shortbusdriver for testing my first HebAOKP build...
For sure I forgot many others I'm very thankful to, so please bear with me.
My best wishes to you all and hopefully we will meet in the future doing great things together, remember this and have a good joyful laugh.
Take care.
Itzik2sh.
Great to see a user like u man, u were the first that inspire me w doing things literally tho (as u can see the adding language thread ). Hope all the best then man n ye, the S4 is barely good choice then, pity that I couldn't afford for keeping it after a week trial . Anw, farewell man
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It's always a disappointment to see such a strong contributor to the community leave. You've done a lot here and I'm glad that it has taken you in new directions in your life.
You will definitely be missed!
It's sad to see a lot of people leaving this community. I'm also glad I got this phone because like you, I learned a lot about Android from it.
I'm sure you'll enjoy your S4! It's a solid phone and the ROM/kernel support is great!
Thank you for all you provided to us, and all the support you gave this community.
Well, the good news is that your not leaving android!
I mean, you could contribute your translations upstream to aosp, cm, omni, slim, etc... and have a greater affect then sgs4g's world.
Rats, means I'll have to subscribe to the s4 forum to troll you now
I'm keeping my SGS4G xda subscription. I think I will make a mobile app to demonstrate this phone's abilities (resolution, sensors etc.) You can send me suggestions and it will be my farewell gift.
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"Does TV Out work?"
Enjoy your new phones and all that you have to explore in them. I think there will be a lot more for you in that.
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"Does TV Out work?"
Enjoy your new phones and all that you have to explore in them. I think there will be a lot more for you in that.
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Hahahaha....
Been playing with SGS i9000 ROMs a bit and i can confirm that 4.3,4.3.1 issues (browser crash on scrolling, disappearing keyboard and rare launcher crashes) exist there too. So unless kitkat solves them (and it is possible) this phone's best and last version is 4.2.2. Just need to make GPS work as it works on the i9000, where cm10.1.3 is considered stable.
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@itzik2sh why does everyone great have to leave at some point? Good luck with your mobile app development I plan on doing the same xD maybe I can work for you in the future. Who knows?
Maybe I'm a cheap boss.... )
I will bring here some sweet apps as my gift to our devs.
Itzik, be well.
הצלחה רבה
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Im gonna cry
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