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I'd like to search this forum for help, but am uneducated enough on the internals of the android OS that I'm not sure what to search for.
i'll ask my question expecting an answer on either (1) how to search for such information in the future, or (2) how to solve the issue.
I installed a 16GB class 10 SD card in my transformer keyboard and would like to edit the appropriate config files so that all future software installs and downloads are on that storage card rather than the internal 16GB memory. So my question is what files do i edit to accomplish this?
thanks...
marvin
You want Apps2SD. Unfortunately, unless something has changed recently, you can't use it on your TF.
www.transformerforums.com/forum/asus-transformer-help/3514-tf-not-letting-me-move-apps-sd-save-things-sd.html#post27629
mncessna said:
I'd like to search this forum for help, but am uneducated enough on the internals of the android OS that I'm not sure what to search for.
i'll ask my question expecting an answer on either (1) how to search for such information in the future, or (2) how to solve the issue.
I installed a 16GB class 10 SD card in my transformer keyboard and would like to edit the appropriate config files so that all future software installs and downloads are on that storage card rather than the internal 16GB memory. So my question is what files do i edit to accomplish this?
thanks...
marvin
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I'd probably try searching for "Move apps to SD" if I was searching for that topic(I know it's hard to figure out the right search terms sometimes, but by posting in Q&A, you've at least posted a fair question in the right place), here's my answer in two parts:
1. I don't think Apps2SD would work with the Dock SD slot.
2. You have the entire 16/32GB internal storage shared between apps and the /sdcard mount. Is that really not enough space?
Also, the internal storage is faster than a Class 10 card, so there will be a performance hit running from SD.
thanks...you've given me food for thought
2. You have the entire 16/32GB internal storage shared between apps and the /sdcard mount. Is that really not enough space?
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there's never enough space!! I've always attempted to offload temp files, downloads, and various other files from the same partition as the OS. prevents excessive fragmentation etc. i'm assuming this would still be an issue even with non-spinning storage, maybe it isn't?
Also, the internal storage is faster than a Class 10 card, so there will be a performance hit running from SD.
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now that's an interesting comment. i thought Class 10 was the fastest AND that internal storage on the transformer was the same technology. Hmmm.....more research for me.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the information and advice.
marvin
mncessna said:
there's never enough space!! I've always attempted to offload temp files, downloads, and various other files from the same partition as the OS. prevents excessive fragmentation etc. i'm assuming this would still be an issue even with non-spinning storage, maybe it isn't?
now that's an interesting comment. i thought Class 10 was the fastest AND that internal storage on the transformer was the same technology. Hmmm.....more research for me.
thanks for the information and advice.
marvin
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Theoretically, fragmentation can slow a flash drive down, but I've never known anybody to notice the difference or to bother with defragmenting regularly on a flash device. Maybe somebody here is into that, but it's just not practical IMHO. Apps2SD is for people who run out of internal space and need MORE room for apps. If you are pushing 12gb (the ballpark usable space on the internal memory of the TF) of apps, you need to get back into the work force. You're better off trying to keep large data files on the removable drive first, even if it means just relocating them every once in a while.
The bottom line is, the way the Transformer treats the built-in memory as an SD card is going to be an issue when trying to use an external card for Apps2SD (which I still haven't heard of anybody succeeding at), but you may be able to set your default download folder to the removable card. If you're dealing with a browser, it would depend on which one. If you're doing your own file transfers, just get a file manager that allows you to set your "home" directory and point it to the /Removable/MicroSD directory.
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Theoretically, fragmentation can slow a flash drive down, but I've never known anybody to notice the difference or to bother with defragmenting regularly on a flash device. Maybe somebody here is into that, but it's just not practical IMHO.
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Even on hard drive it's most of the time not worth the effort. On SSD just forget about fragmentation.
i thought the reason fragmentation is a performance hit for HDDs is due to the fact it has to spin to get to the rest of the file.
SSD does not need anything like that.
fragmentation causes delays
finalhit said:
i thought the reason fragmentation is a performance hit for HDDs is due to the fact it has to spin to get to the rest of the file.
SSD does not need anything like that.
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a disk read consists of a seek op to place the read head over the correct cylinder, then rotational delay while the correct sector rotates under the head, then a data read, and then a transfer to core memory. when a file is fragmented, this operation is repeated multiple times in order to read the entire file into memory. disk drives are pretty fast these days, but they are still the slowest part of most modern computers. cpus and memory are very fast, but disk drives slow things up, therefore, adding to io delays with fragmented files is a real performance hit.
however, i have no data on how fragmentation affects flash memory...perhaps not at all?!.
thanks to all for inputs.
Here's one perspective on flash fragmentation:
www.wizcode.com/articles/comments/flash_memory_fragmentation_myths_and_facts/
Hello, was hoping someone could help me or possibly explain how the Storage is structured on the 300T.
You have Local, SD & MicroSD storage. On my Evo3D phone I have Local and MicroSD and when I use my Cloud Service it stores everything on the MicroSD. On my 300T when I use my Cloud Service it stores everthing on the Internal SD storage instead of the removable MicroSD card. I have heard that once you fill up the SD storage it will overflow onto the removable MicroSD, is this true?
Basically, I want to store games and Tablet data on the local and Internal SD storage and have all my music and movies on the removable MicroSD. Are there was to do this?
Unless there is a option in the app you are using that you can change where it puts the multimedia files you download from it you will have to move them to the removable Micro SD yourself.
However I wouldn't think anything would default to the removable MicroSD because they probably think the internal sd IS the external memory. allowing your external MicroSD to not get cluttered.
I don't have much experience with tablets or ICS so I could be wrong.
I would like to get it to download apps to SD instead of internal
I'm having a problem on my TF300T
All my apps are downloading off the Market directly to the Internal Storage even though I have a 32GB Micro SD Card!
Anyone have any insight as to why this happens? My internal storage is filling up quite quickly. I think the base memory on these things is only 12GB free to start so I really need to be able to swap cards in and out and have apps install to it instead of internal.
Thanks in advance
nordis,
nordis2010 said:
I'm having a problem on my TF300T
All my apps are downloading off the Market directly to the Internal Storage even though I have a 32GB Micro SD Card!
Anyone have any insight as to why this happens? My internal storage is filling up quite quickly. I think the base memory on these things is only 12GB free to start so I really need to be able to swap cards in and out and have apps install to it instead of internal.
Thanks in advance
nordis,
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By default on ICS everything goes to the sd card. I believe there is a rooted option to move some apps to sd card, but I'm not sure. check out this thread. Starting on that page and for a little bit there is some discussion on it.
As I stated in that thread. I would like to know what apps people are installing that take up that much space.
I checked out that link, did not get much regarding the sd card. If apps are not going to install to it then what's the point?
As far as apps go that take up that much space, it's all kinds of them, from music apps, to gps nav apps. I use Sygic with this and
pull down all the maps of the us, right there your 12gb is gone. A bunch of forex trading apps, I have Root since last night.
I really need this stuff to install to the 32gb cards I have or this thing is going to be pretty useless to me real fast.
My sons is the same, with in a week he has his loaded with games to the point where the internal storage is almost full.
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nordis2010 said:
I checked out that link, did not get much regarding the sd card. If apps are not going to install to it then what's the point?
As far as apps go that take up that much space, it's all kinds of them, from music apps, to gps nav apps. I use Sygic with this and
pull down all the maps of the us, right there your 12gb is gone. A bunch of forex trading apps, I have Root since last night.
I really need this stuff to install to the 32gb cards I have or this thing is going to be pretty useless to me real fast.
My sons is the same, with in a week he has his loaded with games to the point where the internal storage is almost full.
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I'm not sure if these apps work but try them out:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.a0soft.gphone.app2sd&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wOSwiY29tLndvbmd4bWluZy5hbmRyb2lkLmFwcDJzZCJd
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...GwsMSwxLDEwOSwibW9iaS5pbmZvbGlmZS5hcHAyc2QiXQ..
Cool
It never occurred to me to just check the app store lol!
Thanks for that. Guess my brain is a bit laggy today, spent all night
getting this rooted.
Actually rooting it was beyond simple, the real issue was with Java not being recognized by Windows, so I couldn't run ADB.
All it came down to was the Environment Variable, once set it could see
the application and load the usb drivers. Then after getting it loaded I had to play with it, so went to sleep got up a hour later to go to work hehe.
Anyway thanks for the responses, this forum has been a God Sent!
nordis,
There's no way without root is there?
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There's no way without root is there?
Sent from my R800i using XDA
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Nope, some of the data from the apps are stored in /root/data/data.... You'll need root to move them (in our case ICS, in gingerbread you were able to do this unrooted). Did it work nordis?
Wasn't at system when you sent that last response.
Hi,
Sorry was going back n forth between work and home.
I have a couple of them pulled down, all with very similar names.
A couple look really promising. I will post it once I'm finished but it looks
like the majority of these will allow me to move everything that I want to
move off of the internal storage and on to the SD card.
Well all except the XDA forums, for some reason those all state internal only.
Not a big deal though. If I can move the GPS apps off the internal storage, and
my ForEx apps I think I'm good.
nordis,
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This sucks,
Apparently some rocket scientist over at Asus decided that on a 16GB Base System that it was more than enough storage space to do anything anyone could want, and that the external storage would only be to transfer files to an from the device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26151036&posted=1#post26151036
I literally wont be able to use these systems with in a couple of days from now.
Not being able to save application data on a storage drive has to be the single most asinine thing I've ever see a electronics manufacturer do. This is really a deal breaker now. If I'm unable to get this data from point A. to point B. and still be able to access it from with in the applications, these things are useless!
This is not a Opinion, this is a requirement for me.
If there was a big disclaimer some place that said HEY YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE ABOUT 12GB OF SPACE TO WORK WITH, AND AFTER THAT YOUR S.O.L! I would have moved right past these.
I just don't even know what to do now, Play Frisbee with these things or something I guess, on the way back to the store!
nordis2010 said:
This sucks,
Apparently some rocket scientist over at Asus decided that on a 16GB Base System that it was more than enough storage space to do anything anyone could want, and that the external storage would only be to transfer files to an from the device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26151036&posted=1#post26151036
I literally wont be able to use these systems with in a couple of days from now.
Not being able to save application data on a storage drive has to be the single most asinine thing I've ever see a electronics manufacturer do. This is really a deal breaker now. If I'm unable to get this data from point A. to point B. and still be able to access it from with in the applications, these things are useless!
This is not a Opinion, this is a requirement for me.
If there was a big disclaimer some place that said HEY YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE ABOUT 12GB OF SPACE TO WORK WITH, AND AFTER THAT YOUR S.O.L! I would have moved right past these.
I just don't even know what to do now, Play Frisbee with these things or something I guess, on the way back to the store!
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So, I'm guessing the apps didn't work. Suggestion why don't you just download the maps for your current State, there's really no need to download all the maps from USA, if you're not using them everyday. If you ever need to go to another state just download the maps for that state before going. This will help you save some space. You could also consider getting the 32GB version. The only way to fill the 12gb of free space is installing about 15 Dark Meadows apps (approx. 800MB each). The larger size regular games (non THD) take around 50-100 MBs, meaning that you have space for 120 games (12GBs). This would be completely ridiculous since no one plays that much games, I have about 10 installed right now and I only play like three of them (and I'm a gamer).
Unused data should be freed, if you don't want to lose the data on those apps you barely use you can run Titanium backup to back up your data and transfer the data to your pc for later use if needed. Every media you have (videos, photos, music, etc.) you can store them in the external SD card.
Still I understand your frustration, we should be able to transfer stuff to our card without any hassle. AFAIK this isn't just an ASUS problem but an overal ICS problem.
I know
I did for just my state an the surrounding states I live near.
For the past couple of days I had been looking at running some small app on the SD card, they jump you through hoops and loops going through some partition process for the Micro SD card.
However I think I can do this right on a Windows 7 system with the Drive Management utilities built into Windows, and a Micro SD to USB reader.
Which I already have, I used for my sons DS way back, I put the card in it, through it in the system, it see's it, and tells me that it can be read, formatted, partitioned the whole 9 yards. So I will try it at work today and let you know how it turns out. If this can be partitioned this way, and then use one of these apps L2SD or something like that then it's a very simple solution.
Sorry I will post the exact name of the app I was looking at once I have tested this if it works. Along with detailed instructions.
Thanks again for all the help.
nordis,
I'm linked it all works I used a SD to USB adapter in Windows
Hi,
I'm linked and you can set it up to use the SD Card as the default for downloads now.
First things you need to do this.
You have to be have Root access on your device before you can do any of this. You have to make sure you go into settings on your device and Enable USB Debugging before you start any of this.
1. You need to partition your Micro SD Card. I used the a SD to USB Adapter, and Partitioned my 32GB Card the SD Card on a Windows 7 system as follows.
Set the 1st partition to 1GB. Set the second partition to use the remainder of the card. Download "EaseUS Partition Master Home Edition" it's free, you pull it down from www.download.com
2. You need a boot loader this is what that 1st 1GB partition is for. I used
bootice you can download it from here free http://code.google.com/p/grub4dos-ireneuszp/downloads/detail?name=bootice_0.9.2011.0512.rar
This is all you need to do with this app. Run Bootice, go "Parts Manage" > "ReFormat USB disk" (don't worry, it won't "format" the USB) > choose the dropdown option for your new first partition > click "Set Accessible" and it's done already! After that you can just click cancel/close/etc.
3. Download and run Link2SD from the Android Market, you can actually do this step first. Also this app is free.
Here is a Guide I found online for Link2SD. http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/12/12/link2sd-guide-never-worry-about-internal-memory-limits-again/
This guide shows you how to move apps, No proprietary system apps, but those are note the ones you really have to worry about taking up space anyway. It also shows you how to go into the Link2SD settings and make your Micro SD Card your default download location from places that auto install applications like the Android Market. Very nice, this was exactly what I needed, I'm very pleased with this so far.
I have to give another thank you to jgaf for this, he pointed me in the direction of the Link 2 SD software in the first place, very much appreciated!
Sorry it took me so long to post this after I got setup it's been a busy weekend though.
Good luck.
nordis
Good to hear nordis now you can keep your TF300Ts Maybe you should make a new thread with the steps you did to get it working, so other people can find it easily.
Good idea.
Just have to finish some other things up and I will
move the details over to a new thread.
nordis,
Done, I posted it in the main Q&A section. Cleaned it up a bit, added a couple of lines where I thought people may have some questions. I hope it's pretty straight forward for everyone. I went through all this like a breeze when I partitioned my card this way, hopefully every one else will as well.
Get the 32gb version of the 300.
If you can fill up 30gb with apps, you need to learn to not keep everything you don't really use.
Put your music, movies, and photos on the Sd card, you won't have a problem with app space.
The 32gb version is only $20 more. It's not like you can't afford it.
Wasn't aware of it at the time, and they don't offer it at Best Buy
When I purchased the ones I was getting I just went to Best Buy so I could get them right then.
Didn't want to wait or order them off the net, and all that Best Buy sells apparently is the 16GB version. I wasn't aware at the time that there even was a 32GB version.
However I would fill that up eventually as well. It's just not good business marketing to make a device with such a limitation in the first place. You should be able to download, and install apps where you want them and need them.
Anyway situation is resolved for me now I'm happy.
nordis,
I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 Gt-8013, 16gb white. So I've had my note since the end of September and have not really used it much till recently. Downloading large games/apps and coming to realize that I can't move ANYTHING to the SD card what a shame. Now before people just comment and say why didn't you buy a 32gb I thought that I could move the apps to the SD card and managing storage wouldn't be a problem. How wrong was I. So my first thread and I'm asking what have you guys done to solve this annoying problem no matter how easy or hard the method was.Yes, I've searched the threads and I've read a lot of options but I just feel like none of them are Noob friendly.
TIL : What was the easiest method for you to move apps to your SD card?
krazyazz611 said:
I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 Gt-8013, 16gb white. So I've had my note since the end of September and have not really used it much till recently. Downloading large games/apps and coming to realize that I can't move ANYTHING to the SD card what a shame. Now before people just comment and say why didn't you buy a 32gb I thought that I could move the apps to the SD card and managing storage wouldn't be a problem. How wrong was I. So my first thread and I'm asking what have you guys done to solve this annoying problem no matter how easy or hard the method was.Yes, I've searched the threads and I've read a lot of options but I just feel like none of them are Noob friendly.
TIL : What was the easiest method for you to move apps to your SD card?
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Check my thread (one on my signature). Haven't been able to get it working for every android device yet, but it works great for anything with data/media, which includes the note 10.1 Essentially my script makes all apps (and apps only) get installed straight in the external SD. One warning: the process is more advanced than just flashing something in recovery, though not too advanced that You won't be able to do if you follow instructions.
Personally I use directory bind, this requires root. Directory bind will allow you to specify exactly which folders you want to redirect to sd. I currently redirect all my game data to sd, leave plenty of room on internal storage.
The other bonus, since my game data is on sd if I have to wipe I won't have to download all those gigs of data again.
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I dont know why more developers dont give you the option to store large data on the external card. Bards Tale came out and initially stored all data internal (3-4Gb), couple of updates later and it gives you the option to store externally so more developers need to cotton on to this and sort their apps out !
i use zedomax's apps2sd script to swap storage
TweakerL said:
Check my thread (one on my signature). Haven't been able to get it working for every android device yet, but it works great for anything with data/media, which includes the note 10.1 Essentially my script makes all apps (and apps only) get installed straight in the external SD. One warning: the process is more advanced than just flashing something in recovery, though not too advanced that You won't be able to do if you follow instructions.
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Will do so, I take it that i have to be rooted for me to apply your script. (sorry for the noob question)
Also, like to thank everyone for help/answers. I wouldn't be able to do half the stuff with out this community. :good:
I have an eken gc10x. Need root for SD card access. Can someone help me I've had two returns to the store don't wanna make it number 3.
What are you trying to do with the sdcard? There are no roms for this tablet at all. It is rooted by default and you can swap the internal and external cards for the purposes of installing games requiring large obb files but not for actual sdcard installation. I'm working on some modding with this device but I don't know the first thing about creating my own roms. I'm very knowledgeable about Linux and I've flashed a million devices so hopefully I can figure it out.
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keith.valdez said:
What are you trying to do with the sdcard? There are no roms for this tablet at all. It is rooted by default and you can swap the internal and external cards for the purposes of installing games requiring large obb files but not for actual sdcard installation. I'm working on some modding with this device but I don't know the first thing about creating my own roms. I'm very knowledgeable about Linux and I've flashed a million devices so hopefully I can figure it out.
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I'd be interested in this as well. I went and bought three of them for my kids around Christmas and they have been great for them...minus some odd issues. One being sound. They love Bloons TD and they can't hear the bloon pop but can hear music. Weird. Eken support was no good. I too know my way around Linux, have flashed dozens of custom ROMs and such. So...I'd love to help if I can. First thing I have been doing is looking around to see if this thing is generic enough to run another AllWinner ROM or not. BTW - I find the easiest way to get into recovery on this thing is to use Goomanager and have it boot it for you.
Let me know what I can do.
Is there a tutorial for swapping the internal and external cards for the purposes of installing games requiring large obb files?
micro sd card for my eken GC10x
I think I'm having a similar problem with my micro sd card. If I download something from the internet or a document that I create on the tablet nothing I do on the tablet will allow me to save it to my micro sd card. I can only save and download to the tablet itself and then through the file manager I can then copy stuff to the micro sd card.
Does anyone here have any suggestions on how I can actually access the micro sd card in an easier way than that? I've tried Kingo Root software but it didn't work, it didn't even recognize the tablet.
Any help with this will be appreciated. Thank you greatly in advance!
OK Guys, sorry about not responding for a long time, but life has been insane in the membrane since I first bought this pad. All yall need to do is download an app called Root External 2 Internal SD from the play store and follow the instructions. Due note that it will not allow you to fully swap and use that entire space on your SD to install the actual app to the SD, but any app that requires large files (such as games using the OBB folder) they will now default to the SD card so you can fit large games on your EKEN pad. I haven't had a whole lot of time to mess with the basic programming of the OS on this pad as I just got a new job and a new home at nearly the same time and we're still unpacking. Come to think of it, I have no idea where in my living room, under the mountains of boxes and things, this pad is right now... probably not even charged. LOL. Using my Nexus 7 32gb now. Anyway, that works well enough for the time being and you guys should be able to enjoy to big download games such as Bard's Tale and the like. ALSO, make sure to format the SD card as exFAT before you use it for this purpose, or your camera WILL NOT WORK! Fat32 is NOT acceptable for use with this swapping technique.
Cheers
Keef
How about an app that will really allow the owner of ANY TABLET to move his or her apps from the internal memory to an external SD card?
There are a lot that say they will move the apps but those are ONLY for phones. How about the real challenge - develop an app that will move the movable apps to the external SD card and operate as if it was still located in the internal memory?
Maybe even something simple like the script for the Note 2 that fools the phone into thinking the internal memory is the SDXC card? That one works great and is simple to install. Most users are like me and want something simple to install and easy to use and idiot proof.
Not being a developer I have no clue as to what is really involved in making this app, but being a marketer I do know that you could sell them all day long, no adverts please, for $10 per app. Does anyone believe the gamers would not step up to that price? I would do it because if the space is available, why not use it? Not using the available external SD space is just like having an Android anything and not rooting it.
Thanks in advance.
SEC_SAM said:
How about an app that will really allow the owner of ANY TABLET to move his or her apps from the internal memory to an external SD card?
There are a lot that say they will move the apps but those are ONLY for phones. How about the real challenge - develop an app that will move the movable apps to the external SD card and operate as if it was still located in the internal memory?
Maybe even something simple like the script for the Note 2 that fools the phone into thinking the internal memory is the SDXC card? That one works great and is simple to install. Most users are like me and want something simple to install and easy to use and idiot proof.
Not being a developer I have no clue as to what is really involved in making this app, but being a marketer I do know that you could sell them all day long, no adverts please, for $10 per app. Does anyone believe the gamers would not step up to that price? I would do it because if the space is available, why not use it? Not using the available external SD space is just like having an Android anything and not rooting it.
Thanks in advance.
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Come on folks. Somewhere out there is someone that has the better mousetrap and will make an app that will workaround all of the naysayers and give all of us a real break and allow us to use ALL of the potential of an Android tablet.