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Questions about 3G/umts connection

A work colleague is using a sim free touch cruise on the vodafone network but vodafone don't have any support for this device (mind you neither does HTC ). We got the vodafone settings for billpay vodafone off the internet and input them and can now surf, download gmail etc over HSDPA (H icon shows) and then it automatically reverts to 3G when not in use.
The problem is that the icon for 3G/umts in use is always on (ie the small 3G over the signal strength) and when the bigger 3G icon is touched it shows how long connected to 3G and as the device is still connected it keeps counting time even though the application using 3G is shut down.
My questions are as follows:
In this state (big 3G icon showing and small 3G icon above signal strenght) is this costing anything being constantly connected to 3G but not using it?
How can it be set to automatically disconnect?
My own touch cruise is on the 3 network but I don't have this difficulty.
My thinking is that it might have something to do with "vodafone live" but not sure what is happening or possibly have selected the wrong set of settings for vodafone ireland as there is a few different sets.
Sorry this is a bit long winded but any advice much appreciated.

The always ON connection is general behaviour... it doesn't matter which network is the device on.
The big 3G/H icons only represent the available network (G(PRS)/E(DGE)/3G/H(SDPA))
The smaller is the signal strength...
The cost of the always ON connection depends on the dataplan being used... if it's an unlimited or a fairly large one like 5GB, it won't matter... but it realy depends on the data recieved....
In my case the avarage hourly traffic is around 1 MB, but i have a little e-mail traffic going so... whith a few mails and every 30 minute checking the traffic should be around 500 KB or lower...
As for the Auto-Disconnect, please search the forum... there are several threads about this in both subforums.

Thats great gnick666 thanks for your reply.

I know the Advanced Configuration Tool has an auto disconnect feature, but I had some issues with it and never went back to go play around with it.
You can also hold down the End button and a menu pops up and you can end data connection there. Or alternatively you can configure it so that holding down the End button always disconnects your data connection.
I have an unlimited data plan so not worried about data, I'm not sure however what the impact to battery usage is so I disconnect "just in case".
As for the 3G / H icon behaviors. Depending on which part of the country I'm in, I get different icons. Sometimes I get 3G and it switches to H when doing data. Othertimes it's always H whether disconnected or connected. (This is assuming that I'm in a 3G location) and not switching back to Edge.

Mine mostly shows the bigger 3G icon and the signal strenght icon with the little antenna icon (I'm on the 3 network which is 3g) but when I download data the small icon changes to 3G and then both change to H as required. Once finished it disconnects and reverts back to 3G. I have Schapps Advanced config tool installed.

Any Way To Force Hsdpa Alone???

As the subject states, is there a way to force HSDPA alone on 3G enabled pocket pcs (using Polaris) without it going back to 3G.. a kind of way to keep data request on so that hspda wont go back to standby.
Thanks

I have same problem.
I live in HSPDA supported area, Kaiser gets full H bars etc, but my Kaiser keeps switching between GPRS, 3G and EDGE for some weird reason

Hi Guys,
You can't force your handset to only use HSDPA services. HSDPA will not be enabled until you start a large download or stream services that require higher bandwidth. The BTS (base station covering you) is informed by the controling switch when to give you an HSDPA bearer, this is triggered by your data throughput. If you are not downloading a large file etc then you will not be given an HSDPA channel. This decision is always taken by the RNC (controling switch) and cannot be forced
There are a few reasons why you might switch between 3G/HSDPA/EDGE etc. These are primarily based on RF conditions - if your received signal strength falls below a certain level (decided by the network planners) you will be forced to handover to 2G (generaly a stronger signal if you live on the edge of 3G coverage) Some networks also have load based handover enabled - therefore if you serving BTS is getting highly loaded it will then hand you over to 2G/EDGE and you cannot force this either. You can of cource force you phone to only lock onto the 3G network and ignore 2G, then you will always at least get a 3G bearer but this will not guarantee HSDPA service - this will only be given if you have good enough signal and if you are using enough throughput. Forcing to 3G will of course increase the amount of call drops you have as you will not be able to hop onto another carrier
Sorry guys!!

^^^That's funny, when I was in an HSPA zone with my Fuze the H stayed on all the time... For that reason, I think you must be incorrect. Sitting there doing nothing, transferring data, didn't matter, always showed H when it was available. This happened in Boston, Albany, and NYC... So it's surely not a fluke based on the area. My data usage at the end of the month wasn't ridiculous either, so it wasn't constantly sucking data for any reason.

bumps.. i would like help on this too coz i use my phone for tethering and it always lags coz when the connection stays idle it switches to 3G instead of remaining on HSPDA..

Im not sure if this wud do but u cud try .. open up dialer n dial *#*#4636*#*# -> Phone information scroll down and there's selection of network type .. try WCDMA only?

terry3386 said:
Im not sure if this wud do but u cud try .. open up dialer n dial *#*#4636*#*# -> Phone information scroll down and there's selection of network type .. try WCDMA only?
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it is on that by default

Is possible to change modem software?

matcol said:
Hi Guys,
You can't force your handset to only use HSDPA services. HSDPA will not be enabled until you start a large download or stream services that require higher bandwidth. The BTS (base station covering you) is informed by the controling switch when to give you an HSDPA bearer, this is triggered by your data throughput. If you are not downloading a large file etc then you will not be given an HSDPA channel. This decision is always taken by the RNC (controling switch) and cannot be forced
There are a few reasons why you might switch between 3G/HSDPA/EDGE etc. These are primarily based on RF conditions - if your received signal strength falls below a certain level (decided by the network planners) you will be forced to handover to 2G (generaly a stronger signal if you live on the edge of 3G coverage) Some networks also have load based handover enabled - therefore if you serving BTS is getting highly loaded it will then hand you over to 2G/EDGE and you cannot force this either. You can of cource force you phone to only lock onto the 3G network and ignore 2G, then you will always at least get a 3G bearer but this will not guarantee HSDPA service - this will only be given if you have good enough signal and if you are using enough throughput. Forcing to 3G will of course increase the amount of call drops you have as you will not be able to hop onto another carrier
Sorry guys!!
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am i correct to say that based on your explanation, switching from 3G to HSDPA is cell station controlled and not controllable via our handphone?

3G network speed logger

Hi guys,
Is this the right Thread? Please excuse, but I couldn't find a "looking for XX App"-thread.
I do want to proof to my operator that their 3G bandwidth very often is almost 0 even though the 3G coverage / reception is very well.
So I would need an app that regularly probes the transmission speed and logs that, best with geolocation and signal strength.
Most of the Apps around only log 3G signal strength, which is _not_ what I want: in my case the signal is fine, there's just almost no throughput.
Then there are the speedtest-Apss that take a one-time-only speedtest... That's fine but I would have to trigger it everytime: impractical.
I tried "traffic monitor", but often enough the speed tester wouldn't even start because the 3G speed is too slow for it's calibration/download/upload cycle.
Also, as with my operator, there's often only _very_ small bandwidth / nearly 0 avilable the app shouldn't send too big amounts of data for it's probings or it might timeout / at least it should log that correctly.
in the end there sholud be a way to export the data so I can proof the network's disfunctionality.
Unfortunately all my market searches have been in vain yet. Has one of you guys seen an app like that before?
I would be very glad about any hints and tips.
Thanks in advance!
southy
Disclaimer:
Yes, I realise that such a behaviour will drain battery.

[Q] Sim card does not allow connection to this network

I am posting this as a new thread as my reply on a similar thread got lost or ignored and I would really appreciate inputs :
Randomly at times when I try to register on network manually (MTNL Dolphin 3G - Mumbai). Unrooted MB865 ver 2.3.6 & updated on 18th May 2012 to System Ver 55.28.37.MB865.AsiaRetail.en03. If I keep the setting as Automatic in Type of Network & Operator it functions fine fluctuating between Dolphin for local access & CellOne on roaming access in the same area based on cell tower connection the phone registers on alternating between "E" & "H" automatically based on cell mast direction proximity, however if I select 3G only and uncheck automatic for operator then the phone searches for signal for a very long time and fails to show any operator saying "no connection available" & sometimes when "Dolphin" network does appear and try to select manually get the error as "this sim card does not allow connection to this network". I did complain with the service provider and they were supposed to get back to me after checking in their switchboard exchange where I also provided them my SIM number in addition to my cellphone number(no response). Also as is case with poor service of all Indian cell network providers even in urban cities, also face random peculiar issue of call not being received inspite of signal available on the phone & network asking me to recheck the number I have dialled while placing outgoing calls though it is ok and signal is sufficient. Also "Network Speed Booster" app looks like a lot of bull (any other good apps??)
I needed to know using the secret Menu *#*#4636#*#* for 3G GSM service which kind of network I should ideally select for best results & does this setting override the regular menu network settings??
I get "G", "E", "H" randomly based on my locations but no "3G" or "H+" and further at times these icons are grey and sometimes blue and in either cases randomly
at different locations sometimes data throughput is not there as only one of the arrow shows active blinking. Any advise on the status based on colors and the blinking of the arrows?? Thanks!
PS _ This is what another user had posted (do you guys feel this is a phone defect?)
I wasn't able to solve this problem about an year. But did. And totally sure that it is Device's defect (in some cases it is a ROM deffect as in my case, in other - hardware. Smth like stack overflow issues at GSM controller or so). A year ago when I had face this "sim card does not allow connection... " problem, there are no google serch results on this keywords request. Any. To remove this message I was ought to reboot my device every time it appears. And I was thinking that it is normal behaviour for my device. But now there are lot of complainings at the web ( minimum 5 of Galaxy Tabs P1000, thousands of HTC Disire, few motorolla Deffy, 10 Galaxy Ace, few of Nexus S and so on), so I understand that I'm not alone, and problem is known. So I went to Samsungs Service and they confirmed that it is famous problem, have flashed my phone with some magic ROM (magic because it is official but does not available anywhere in the web, XDA or samsung sites! ) and now my phone works fine. Any other solutions like battery removing, *#*#4636#*#* sirvice menu, new sim-card, flashing variety of modems and roms, didn't helps me. This is not faulty sim. This is serious device's defect. Bring your phone to manufacturer and let them repair it or give your money back. This is their problem not your.

[Q][App Request] cell network ownage info

Hope someone can help with this request/question
I'm currently on a PAYG network in the UK (ASDA) but this company is a 'virtual' network using one of the bigger network companies (currently they are using the Vodaphone network)..quite soon they are moving to EE (Orange/T-Mobile) network which would NORMALLY not be a problem except.....
I work in a factory & mobile signals in plant is rather 'sketchy' the best of times... the Vodaphone network seems to have the best signal there & this is why I chose a provider that uses this network. When they (ASDA) move to EE I'm worried that I will start losing signal strength etc & so I'll may be forced to find another provider
Now onto my question/request..
I was thinking that IF I could scan the area I work (i.e the factory) & find what cell towers are around, & what strength they are THEN find out WHO those cells belong to (as in - whether it's O2/EE/Vodaphone that owns them) I should have a good idea If the EE network will still work in plant & I won't have to start looking for another provider..
...If they aren't any good - I could find out which company DOES have the best signal in plant & then have to move to that provider instead
I know I could just use my phones 'network scan' to see who's 'around' but this doesn't show how strong their signal is
I could also go out & get a free PAYG sim from each company & put it in my phone & see which give the best reception
and I know there are apps that will show 'Cell Info' (some show quite detailed info that completely 'gobble-gook' to me ) but none that I've found tells me WHO the cell belongs to
So - Is there such an App (preferably free) that anyone can suggest that will allow me to.....
> Scan the available cells in my area
> Find out their signal strength
> and MOST IMPORTANTLY which network company (O2/Vodaphone/EE etc) OWNS that cell
It also has to be 'simple' to understand.. all I want is an app that shows how many cells in the area, how strong the signal is for each cell & a name of the company that the cell belongs to
Many thanks in advance