[FEELER] Universal Webtop-Like HW & SW Platform - Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]

I am posting this thread seeking feedback and judging interest in such a project.
Most Android devices these days have USB OTG / host functionality as well as HDMI-out.
Motorola exploited this on the Atrix and Bionic with docks that are essentislly a powered USB hub and HDMI adapter or the webtop which 9s a dock with a battery, screen, keyboard and touchpad. Their setup allowed you to run a modded Ubuntu on the screen ajd had a window to access the normal phone interface.
Now with the progress of the Android platform, they have abandoned it mostly, as of 4+ the aforementioned HW only allows you to use android in tabet mode.
What I am proposing is a likely OpenSource project to develop:
- universal hw for all android devices
- custom jailed linux and xwm/interface adapted for touch/hdpi/small screens
- custom android x server allowing integration
- custom android x client/rsp (rdp) for android to allow viewing of phone interface on screen
The goal being a well designed version allowing a hybrid of linux apps and android apps in tablet mode seamlessly integrated.
Let me be clear that I am trying to judge interest and brainstorm, I am NOT asking about the feasibilty or technical requirements or burdens.
Eventually with enough interest, other OS apps could be integrated and virtualized.
I have 20+ years sw engineering, design and development experience and am willing to put in my efforts to seed this project if the interest is there.

Well no responses - but some THANKS.. So I'll take that to mean there is some interest.
I am actively developing this and a whole suite of tools to accompang it starting with a universal, configurable, network (bt/wifi/3G/RG) and hardware syncronizable audio driver. Follkwing that I will be working on a 2-way android/linux x-server/client system.
Each tool will be released as an individual piece and eventually will (hopefully) come together to build a system to enhance android and bridge the ever narrowing gap between android and a pc.
I really would be interested in some feedback especially regarding the hardware aspect.

forbiddenera said:
Well no responses - but some THANKS.. So I'll take that to mean there is some interest.
I am actively developing this and a whole suite of tools to accompang it starting with a universal, configurable, network (bt/wifi/3G/RG) and hardware syncronizable audio driver. Follkwing that I will be working on a 2-way android/linux x-server/client system.
Each tool will be released as an individual piece and eventually will (hopefully) come together to build a system to enhance android and bridge the ever narrowing gap between android and a pc.
I really would be interested in some feedback especially regarding the hardware aspect.
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sounds very interesting :good:

forbiddenera said:
I am posting this thread seeking feedback and judging interest in such a project.
Most Android devices these days have USB OTG / host functionality as well as HDMI-out.
Motorola exploited this on the Atrix and Bionic with docks that are essentislly a powered USB hub and HDMI adapter or the webtop which 9s a dock with a battery, screen, keyboard and touchpad. Their setup allowed you to run a modded Ubuntu on the screen ajd had a window to access the normal phone interface.
Now with the progress of the Android platform, they have abandoned it mostly, as of 4+ the aforementioned HW only allows you to use android in tabet mode.
What I am proposing is a likely OpenSource project to develop:
- universal hw for all android devices
- custom jailed linux and xwm/interface adapted for touch/hdpi/small screens
- custom android x server allowing integration
- custom android x client/rsp (rdp) for android to allow viewing of phone interface on screen
The goal being a well designed version allowing a hybrid of linux apps and android apps in tablet mode seamlessly integrated.
Let me be clear that I am trying to judge interest and brainstorm, I am NOT asking about the feasibilty or technical requirements or burdens.
Eventually with enough interest, other OS apps could be integrated and virtualized.
I have 20+ years sw engineering, design and development experience and am willing to put in my efforts to seed this project if the interest is there.
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I just saw your post; I owned 2 Motorola RAZR (a RAZR i for now) and I really miss the webtop! I used it a lot so I am very interesting by your project. It's a shame that Motorola let go this idea, I think it was something that can make Motorola outstanding from other brands.
I'm sure there is a lot of people interested by that kind of app.

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I just saw your post; I owned 2 Motorola RAZR (a RAZR i for now) and I really miss the webtop! I used it a lot so I am very interesting by your project. It's a shame that Motorola let go this idea, I think it was something that can make Motorola outstanding from other brands.
I'm sure there is a lot of people interested by that kind of app.
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I hope so, I have started slowly developing the low levels of the stack of tools required for this.
If you are interested in making this a reality, then I need support. Moral support, testing, food, hardware.. etc.. Mostly I need to know there's a demand and that people will use it and benefit from it.
Currently I require a few things for testing and development, if anyone wants to.help.
- USB OTG / Host adapter for microusb. x 2
- Powered USB hub.. The source in my city has one for $10, but do not sell the power adapter to.go with it.
and, would be beneficial:
- A droid Bionic HD dock or Webtop dock, unfortunately my phone was not sold in Canada and ship them to me for my friend in the states and I cannot get these here.
please spread the word if you are interested, rally support and it will get done.
The first thing I am developing for this is a universal low latency audio driver replacement for android / linux with extended.ipc/net routing capabilities. Partly because I am a musician and need such elsewhere is why I am starting with audio.. I also intend to get the audio plug on my moto dock working on nonstock

forbiddenera said:
I hope so, I have started slowly developing the low levels of the stack of tools required for this.
If you are interested in making this a reality, then I need support. Moral support, testing, food, hardware.. etc.. Mostly I need to know there's a demand and that people will use it and benefit from it.
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you have my support in whatever you need. ive been a webtop guy since day 1, wonderful technology but *WAY* ahead of it's time (and lets not even talk about how i spent $300 bucks on my first lapdock, and $50 on my second when they canned the webtop project lol. i will caution you that it doesn't seem like there is much demand anymore for the dual environment setup. i have quite a bit of market insight as to why this is, but at any rate, innovative development is never appreciated until it is actually developed, no?
forbiddenera said:
Currently I require a few things for testing and development, if anyone wants to.help.
- USB OTG / Host adapter for microusb. x 2
- Powered USB hub.. The source in my city has one for $10, but do not sell the power adapter to.go with it.
and, would be beneficial:
- A droid Bionic HD dock or Webtop dock, unfortunately my phone was not sold in Canada and ship them to me for my friend in the states and I cannot get these here.
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aside from several years of commercial software testing experience, i have at my disposal for testing:
Motorola Atrix 4G (only moto phone unlocked kernel + webuntu mod)
Motorola Droid Bionic
Samsung Galaxy Nexus (uses MHL)
Motorola Xoom tablet (HDMI out)
- 1 bionic lapdock, 1 universal lapdock 100
- bionic HD dock
- MHL USB > HDMI adapter
- USB OTG cable
looking forward to contributing and seeing this become a reality my friend.:good:

I am still wanting to push this forward. I really need a HD DOCK with USB tho.. If anyone can help, post or PM me.
cheers

I am still wanting to push this forward. I really need a HD DOCK with USB tho.. If anyone can help, post or PM me.
Or a lapdock, or a usb otg and powered hub, or... I do have an hdmi cable and use webtop 3 all the time for watching tv..
Unfortunately google basically stopped moto from doing this.. We can all run linux but using it on vnc is sloppy, android x server doesnt work proper yet.. And even webtop 3 isnt that bad of an idea..
cheers

forbiddenera said:
I am still wanting to push this forward. I really need a HD DOCK with USB tho.. If anyone can help, post or PM me.
Or a lapdock, or a usb otg and powered hub, or... I do have an hdmi cable and use webtop 3 all the time for watching tv..
Unfortunately google basically stopped moto from doing this.. We can all run linux but using it on vnc is sloppy, android x server doesnt work proper yet.. And even webtop 3 isnt that bad of an idea..
cheers
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If someone or a few ppl can chip in to split the cost itd rly hlp.. yks

Hey, every idea you've posted seems good. The only thing I see holding back is, well, you have no credentials to show what you can/have done. I'd love a webtop for my phone, and an external android ssd(rasberry pi?) sounds sweet!
Anyways, what I'm trying to say is, I personally would love to see these projects come to life and help out with the funding side of things(unless you've got some extra time to teach) I do have a passion for developing, it's just not a skill yet.
Tell/show me more of what you can give/make to these protects you have planned and I'll tell/show you what I can fund/help with.

Really cool idea. I'm interested and if you develop even a crude "example" I'm sure the community will hop on board too.
Best of luck and I'll be keeping an eye out .

topdnbass said:
Really cool idea. I'm interested and if you develop even a crude "example" I'm sure the community will hop on board too.
Best of luck and I'll be keeping an eye out .
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I have been using webtop3 with just an hdmi cable for a bit - and at the least something like that should be available to every device with hdmi/mhl (eg. dynamic dpi change, phone screen becomes touchpad and kb unless hw mouse/kb avail) but also with all Android devices being linux, there should be a better way to run linux apps than vnc or a half-finished barely functional x server (not damping on the devs).
I have 15-20 years experience in coding almost all languages on almost all platforms. Done a ton of webstuff, none of it's really online or available (NDA). I worked with AOL/nullsoft for a short bit for sc_trans and thus ran my own radio, IdealSound. Unfortunately the AOL BW dried up and I had to kill it, but I am reviving it. I don't have a lot to show now, but give me a few weeks...
Anyhow, I see a ton of potential in android, I like open source, and, I think it's terrible that google axed wt3 even. wt2, I understand why.. wt3 is just dynamic dpi on hdmi and a different launcher profile (and a touchpad).
There needs to be more, and, I use android enough to be willing to invest time into this. Unfortunately, I am not able to invest $.
I envision multi-app android multi-tasking (two apps one screen? windowed?) and seamlessly running linux apps, like gimp, integrated ala parallels style (=using win appson mac seamless)
I eat Linux for breakfast and poop Java. And that's pretty much what android is.. I need dev tools tho.. my biggest concern really, is google and what they have planned conflicting with what I want to do.
I do plan to KISS (keep it stupidly simple) as much as possible though. Any dev I do will be very modular.

forbiddenera said:
I have been using webtop3 with just an hdmi cable for a bit - and at the least something like that should be available to every device with hdmi/mhl (eg. dynamic dpi change, phone screen becomes touchpad and kb unless hw mouse/kb avail) but also with all Android devices being linux, there should be a better way to run linux apps than vnc or a half-finished barely functional x server (not damping on the devs).
I have 15-20 years experience in coding almost all languages on almost all platforms. Done a ton of webstuff, none of it's really online or available (NDA). I worked with AOL/nullsoft for a short bit for sc_trans and thus ran my own radio, IdealSound. Unfortunately the AOL BW dried up and I had to kill it, but I am reviving it. I don't have a lot to show now, but give me a few weeks...
Anyhow, I see a ton of potential in android, I like open source, and, I think it's terrible that google axed wt3 even. wt2, I understand why.. wt3 is just dynamic dpi on hdmi and a different launcher profile (and a touchpad).
There needs to be more, and, I use android enough to be willing to invest time into this. Unfortunately, I am not able to invest $.
I envision multi-app android multi-tasking (two apps one screen? windowed?) and seamlessly running linux apps, like gimp, integrated ala parallels style (=using win appson mac seamless)
I eat Linux for breakfast and poop Java. And that's pretty much what android is.. I need dev tools tho.. my biggest concern really, is google and what they have planned conflicting with what I want to do.
I do plan to KISS (keep it stupidly simple) as much as possible though. Any dev I do will be very modular.
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like I said before, I'm very interested and would like to be on your team when this idea takes flight.
PM me and let's get started.
let me know what you need to get started, I'll reply with what I can offer.
also give whatever details of why you need what and so on, that you deem appropriate or necessary.
looking forward to hear from you.

Test Monkey
Just saw this today. If it helps, I may have a useful assortment of gear to test this kind of thing out on, when it comes to that.
Motorola Droid X2 cdma (no HDMI, but if you were going for a dock adapter that added HDMI over usb)
Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE (micro HDMI)
Motorola Photon (micro HDMI)
A Motorola LapDock (Fits both of the Photons, but won't recognize the touchpad or keyboard)
Hisense Sero 7 Pro Tablet (mini HDMI)
The Q is the only one I use daily, so I can monkey around with the rest pretty recklessly. I know my way around adb & CWM / TWRP, but I'm no dev. Just been flashing custom ROMs since the early windows mobile days, so I'm not scared of much.
I'm currently trying to cobble together a software-based solution for myself with the LapDock, using a combination of methods used by other folks on other gear, so I might also have some links worth following for stuff that's been done already. Either way, good luck.

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[Q] Transformer for students.

A bit of background: I will be attending UCLA as a computer science student in the fall. I will be bringing my desktop with me, and am trying to decide between a laptop/netbook or the Transformer.
Would the transformer work in conjunction with the desktop, or will I need a full laptop.
Thanks.
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You should consider what you want to use this device for before you decide. As a CS major, you will certainly be doing quite a bit of programming, and you might want to prefer to use a full linux environment for this, depends largely on the program you have at UCLA. What you can consider is to get this device and using the splashtop program access your desktop to do your programming. However, you will want to consider whether or not you want to utilize the local processing power of your device. It would be far simpler to use a laptop/netbook for those purposes, rather than trying to find solutions with the tablet+dock. In the end, if you find that you will be using the device docked most of the time for school, then you should probably consider just getting a laptop/netbook. If the convenience of the tablet and media consumption is something you'd prefer, then get the transformer.
tl;dr, I consider the transformer+dock a fun/entertainment device. For CS based schoolwork, you would most likely want a laptop/netbook.
unless you wanted to focus on tablet development in your coursework...but that's not for another 2 years...
Hope that helps.
It helped a lot. Thank you.
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Keep in mind that you can use the Transformer's bundled remote desktop app and/or a terminal app to control your PC, and run stuff that way - assuming you can connect to your desktop from wherever you are.
I do agree with omguss, if you don't plan on using the device mostly for entertainment, get a netbook/laptop.
Sorry if this is hijacking your thread (ill start a new thread if you want) but just wondering if there is a good note taking apps for android?
There are two uses I can see being needed for me.
First I would need something to annotate on pdf's and powerpoints. I remember seeing an app that looked pretty solid for this so it should be good.
Secondly I would need an app that I can be typing with the keyboard, and then when needed draw in equations, graphs, pictures, whatever. Not really sure if there is something good for this.
As a programmer, I would suggest getting a full laptop for somebody majoring in CS. As much as I love the transformer, you cannot compile code on it. At least in my searching I have not found a single IDE meant to be run on Android (Lot's target Android, but none run on Android). More than likely, there will be several times that you want to do work away from your room. On the transformer, the only real way to do this will be remote desktop software. It's up to you whether you think the remote desktop software will be sufficient for this, but one other thing I would caution against is the small keyboard. It is far more comfortable (and efficient) to program on a full-size (or as near to full-size as possible) keyboard.
I don't know what type of program you are going into, but if you take any courses on 3d graphics you are almost certainly going to lose the ability to test your programs through a remote desktop connection.
I personally think that tablets are great in conjunction with a desktop. I plan to get rid of my netbook once I get the transformer. My only concern for you is that a tablet simply isn't a good tool for programming. If the hacker community manages to get ubuntu onto the transformer then the device will be an acceptable programming tool in my opinion; although, you will still lack a full size keyboard.
My advice to you is wait until mid-to-late summer. There is a slew of new tech toys coming out this summer, and almost anything you get now will be outdated by the time you start in the fall. By summer you will know if we managed to get Ubuntu on the transformer, AMD's Llano processor will be out on laptops, and Tegra 3 tablets may be just around the corner.
BongoBong said:
Sorry if this is hijacking your thread (ill start a new thread if you want) but just wondering if there is a good note taking apps for android?
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Don't need to hijack anything. Just look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980783
I'm a secondary school student, I have a HP DM1 (Not the Z ), runs 7 pro X64 + VS 2010 Pro + VS2008 Pro. Got a load of VM's for debugging ETC...
Windows is good for note taking to, Onenote is great.
Hope this helps
Badwolve1
good old days of using SSH + eMacs + X client, they all switched to windows in school?
Magnesus said:
Don't need to hijack anything. Just look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980783
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Thanks, but I have already seen that thread and done some other looking up and the majority of discussion is whats the best handwriting app. They really don't mention how good it would be for mostly typing (understandable since most would be using the on screen keyboard).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1039287&highlight=onenote
someone seriously needs to start porting some compilers to android..
many scripting languages are available through SL4A but most CS courses are taught with C/C++ or Java. I'd love to help out with this project but I just wouldn't know where to start
Just adding on to this, since I'm a student and also looking for a tablet solution.
I'd love:
1. Printing to my university printers. My university currently requires you install some software to use their printers. Mac and Windows versions available, no Linux, no Android.
2. Onenote would be awesome. I read that there was an iPhone version available? Android should be coing soon hopefully.
I would suggest a full laptop, and something with high resolution. Once your CS load picks up you'll need something you can work on in between or during classes. Android lacking compilers on the OS itself is the killer here, otherwise you are free to code all you want via text editors.
j7899 said:
I would suggest a full laptop, and something with high resolution. Once your CS load picks up you'll need something you can work on in between or during classes. Android lacking compilers on the OS itself is the killer here, otherwise you are free to code all you want via text editors.
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As a CS student myself I would agree with the above and add that in programming classes you will want all the screen real-estate you can get your hands on(17"+), a good amount of hard disk space, 4gb+ ram, and a good Virtual Machine program. Less important is video and cpu power unless you intend to make it a desktop replacement/gaming machine.
That being said... Such a laptop is going to be rather heavy. I am getting the Transformer to replace an early gen AspireOne for less technical classes.
Just my $0.02
Flowah said:
Just adding on to this, since I'm a student and also looking for a tablet solution.
I'd love:
1. Printing to my university printers. My university currently requires you install some software to use their printers. Mac and Windows versions available, no Linux, no Android.
2. Onenote would be awesome. I read that there was an iPhone version available? Android should be coing soon hopefully.
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I was about to say that you're insane and that MS would never make OneNote for iOS but.. turns out you're right. That's really strange. Hopefully they start work on an Android version soon.
Edit: The iOS version of OneNote doesn't seem all that great. You can't write with a stylus.. it's just keyboard input. lame. Writing with a capacitive stylus on the transformer would kind of suck anyway, but I might still consider the HTC Flyer which has an active digitizer.
smaskell said:
I was about to say that you're insane and that MS would never make OneNote for iOS but.. turns out you're right. That's really strange. Hopefully they start work on an Android version soon.
Edit: The iOS version of OneNote doesn't seem all that great. You can't write with a stylus.. it's just keyboard input. lame. Writing with a capacitive stylus on the transformer would kind of suck anyway, but I might still consider the HTC Flyer which has an active digitizer.
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Right, but I'm interested in the Transformer almost purely because of the keyboard dock, so keyboard input only is fine with me tbh. As long as it's decently full featured.
I'm waiting to see if the AMD Llano will make the best thin gaming laptop. Hopefully, new AMD laptops will come out in June, right before back-to-school season.
Oh yeah, OneNote. Yeah, that's important too.
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Oh yeah, OneNote. Yeah, that's important too.
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Onenote is the single most useful piece of software MS has ever produced (Excluding win7;p))
Virtual Machines? Eh, I never needed to use one except when I was using a Mac. Wandering what you guys are doing with it.
Any laptop that is 13"+ in screen size is good. The power of the computer depends on what you plan to do. So you have to decide on the specs yourself. Dual Core is fine unless you plan to do any CPU intensive tasks. If you ever need a bigger screen, then you can just buy a monitor and hook it up so even a netbook could be fine if you are okay with the power it gives. 13"-15" is good. 17" is just monstrous and you don't want to be lugging that around.

Android on Bookeen-Cybook Odyssey (eBook Reader)?

Hello everyone, I know this is a long shot but: is anyone interested in porting Android to this excellent eBook Reader?
Device description is here: http://www.bookeen.com/en/cybook/odyssey
It is basically a Nook Touch Simple/Sony PRS T1 like device that features a very fast e-Ink display (amazingly fast for an e-Ink) and should support some tablet like use (browsing the web, reading a RSS feed) quite well. You can see here and here what HSIS (High Speed Ink System) can do.
Stock version is using a Linux 2.6.31 based OS (doesn't specify what flavor)
From the little I know the main problems with porting a Android whould be:
- possible locked bootloader on the Cybook Odyssey -> no way to know without the device
- supported chipset -> an ARM A8 based chipset is listed
- display drivers -> maybe those from regular pearl e-Ink can be used?
- wi-fi drivers -> again, depends on the chipset
I'm out of my league (php, web stuff) here but I plan to buy the device next month if there's hope for it
Ideas?
Hi!
I would point out, before getting your hopes up on the porting, the fact that you asked just one day after the launch of the device, makes one think that you're thoughts are audaciously early. So unless some xda-developers are Bokeen insiders and, ahem, unbound by their job to work on this matter, either waiting or is the thing to do. Or, ahem, , learning how to port?
The chances I see for this port to happen are small (but than again still possible). Perhaps we could see if the linux running it might offer more flexibility and run apps directly (?). Porting would would have it's obvious advantages ... an Android with it's screen technology superior to any current eInk readers, except the Mirasol powered ones perhaps (those are limited to Korea for now) would we awesome.
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Hi!
I would point out, before getting your hopes up on the porting, the fact that you asked just one day after the launch of the device, makes one think that you're thoughts are audaciously early. So unless some xda-developers are Bokeen insiders and, ahem, unbound by their job to work on this matter, either waiting or is the thing to do. Or, ahem, , learning how to port?
The chances I see for this port to happen are small (but than again still possible). Perhaps we could see if the linux running it might offer more flexibility and run apps directly (?). Porting would would have it's obvious advantages ... an Android with it's screen technology superior to any current eInk readers, except the Mirasol powered ones perhaps (those are limited to Korea for now) would we awesome.
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Is there any news on debugging and or development possibilities on that platform? I have seen the gpl'ed linux source released at bookeen's site.
I have yet not found any pictures of a disassembled device and do not know if customized firmware updates are possible.
Would very much appreciate any news on that topic!
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Is there any news on debugging and or development possibilities on that platform? I have seen the gpl'ed linux source released at bookeen's site.
I have yet not found any pictures of a disassembled device and do not know if customized firmware updates are possible.
Would very much appreciate any news on that topic!
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I would also be interested in customized firmware for cybook odyssey. thanks
Any news on this anybody?
Anyone still watching this? I'd like to try to do it, but it's over my head, skill wise...
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Anyone still watching this? I'd like to try to do it, but it's over my head, skill wise...
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I know that internally some version of android ran on the device, but it's really not worth to do this. Android is absolutely not suited for such device and screen.
To install personalised linux/software, first crack the update format, then the device will be open to you...

[Q] Which is the best tablet for business needs?

I'm currently preparing to deploy tablets to our technicians for service routes and surveying purposes. I would like opinions of the community on which tablet would be the most user friendly and capable of fulfilling all of our needs.
We need to be able to email, fill out documents, and capture signatures from the tablet. For ease of administration I would like to be able to access the file structure (not sure if I can do this with an iPad or not). I will need to quickly pre-load all of the forms/documents that each technician will need for a trip prior to them leaving. I don't want to have to email everything to each tablet and then go in and move the files around so I will need either a USB-PC interface, full sized USB ports, or a card reader. I'm all for cloud services and use them regularly but I'm doubtful that the older generation is very familiar with them.
My personal experience in all things mobile has been a strong background in Android or WinMo. I've typically stayed away from Apple products, as such I'm not against using the iPad but I'm not familiar enough to know it's capabilities or limitations.
Please keep in mind that I need something the average Joe can manipulate unassisted in the field. Thanks for your thoughts!
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I'm currently preparing to deploy tablets to our technicians for service routes and surveying purposes. I would like opinions of the community on which tablet would be the most user friendly and capable of fulfilling all of our needs.
We need to be able to email, fill out documents, and capture signatures from the tablet. For ease of administration I would like to be able to access the file structure (not sure if I can do this with an iPad or not). I will need to quickly pre-load all of the forms/documents that each technician will need for a trip prior to them leaving. I don't want to have to email everything to each tablet and then go in and move the files around so I will need either a USB-PC interface, full sized USB ports, or a card reader. I'm all for cloud services and use them regularly but I'm doubtful that the older generation is very familiar with them.
My personal experience in all things mobile has been a strong background in Android or WinMo. I've typically stayed away from Apple products, as such I'm not against using the iPad but I'm not familiar enough to know it's capabilities or limitations.
Please keep in mind that I need something the average Joe can manipulate unassisted in the field. Thanks for your thoughts!
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Afaik the only tablets with a full sized USB port and a SD card are the Transformer Prime and the TF300, but they have to be attached to their keyboard docks in order to do that. As to everything else I guess that pretty much every Android tablet will fill the bill. USB OTG cables are also a valuable option as far as USB connectivity is concerned, they work with every Android device and they generally cost just a couple bucks.
I know you guys will think I am crazy but I love my 32gig Toshiba Thrive. Think about it... I have full sized USB, HDMI, Dual core, Full size SD reader. Built in WiFi. i use it every day at work. and I work in IT.
My Acer Iconia A500 has full size USB port. I also think that the A500 has a really business-like look to it. I see alot of Lenovo tablets in many business i have visited.
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Thanks guys, I'm considering both of those as well as the Toshiba Excite.
FYI - If anyone is interested, the TF101 has the same port accessibility as the Prime, they both require the dock to get them though.
Edit: I haven't seen an update anywhere that the Thrive has received ICS, does yours have it? How is Toshiba in regards to firmware updates and addressing issues? Thanks!
Not the galaxy note 10.1? anyway I think transformer prime would be nice... or asus padfone... the thing there is it's a little bit more expensive if you must include tablet and keyboard
Nook color/nook tablet or kindle fire, all are VERY affordable and great tablets once you do some mods
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Acer a500 and Toshiba Thrive
I would also recommend Acer A500 (I own it and very happy with it) and Toshiba Thrive also for your environment.
Well my thrive doesn't have it by stock... But its rooted. Before it was rooted it was really good with updates.
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Hi all. My apologies that I didn't keep the conversion going after the thread was moved, can't believe this was three years ago already. As an update, I currently have 26 MS Surface tablets deployed, twenty are Surface RT and six are Surface 2, all have the detachable Type Keyboard 2 and a wireless USB mouse. I ended up going with these because I had one and it is rock-solid, receives Windows updates, and included free MS Office. Our guys get along well with them and with the peripherals I can carry one of these and get most routine work tasks done anywhere without requiring any customizing, rooting, or additional software. I keep my TF 101 up-to-date and love the direction Android is going in but for ease of use among multiple generations I feel we made the right choice with the Surface tablets. Keep your eyes open for the Jive Remix tablet coming down the road, I missed out on the kickstarter but it looks promising for an Android tablet that is more business oriented. Thanks
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[Q] Native Linux on TF700

So I see NVFLASH is coming soon, this excites the hell out of me.
I see development has been done on TF101/201 with success.
my wonder at this point, if I brick the bootloader, will that lock me out of recovery/fastboot?
this question is the only thing that has stopped me from flashing flashing uboot + a new filesystem based on the reference example from nvidia.
I want real linux on this thing. it's such a rad piece of hardware, and with some real linux I can work around the i/o issues that seem to plague this thing (I can't run torrents, listen to 320k mp3s and browse the web at the same time)
on a similar but unrelated note, could I possibly see overall speed improvements by using external SDHC/SDXC? I just haven't gotten a solid answer if the hardware i/o issues are because of the flash memory controller or the actual internal flash memory itself.
I'll keep screwing with this antequated 2.6~ kernel for now. I guess JB is coming, but it's still android.
what I REALLY want is something akin to the webtop hack on the atrix, dock your android, boot into linux. but since I already have a tweaked out android phone that does everything I need a device of that size/class to do. I want this thing to be a netbook replacement + touchscreen
I've been pouring through the kernel sources, as well as the kernel I downloaded from nVidia for tegra linux, and this all looks very doable.
I guess I'm just being a wuss 'cause this tablet was f'n expensive! and the chroot/loopback/vnc linux solution is not a solution. It's a joke. I have a 1920x1200 screen that I want to put to good use. if I can't make that happen, I'm contemplating gutting the tablet just to rob its screen/digitizer for my netbook, and throw the rest in the garbage.
to say its performance is disappointing is an understatement. it's about as responsive to input as a boeing 707 (that's why I keep calling it a TF707 )
I agree with your sentiment and am going to attempt to compile a workable kernel for this cause. If more are willing to help it might be best to upload source to sourceforge.
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i will agree here and am willing to help and now the NVFlash is is released, sadly i updated and currently cant use it i am looking for a fix soon when i get an extra minute. but once i am NVFlashed i am willing to help out with anything. this is something i have been waiting for since i bought the thing. a good dual boot for this baby. i unlike you do want to keep the android on there also but i do want some good linux on this baby. if you can keep us/me up to date with your plans it would be great.
--Jezzirolk
I'll be back stateside in the next week or so, I'll post some updates once I get something to boot... If I get something to boot. I'm still reading lots of documentation from nvidia and sources.
Question : what kind of linux desktop would you install on your tablet ? What desktop is ready for use with our fingers instead of a mouse/keyboard and is ready to compile on that ARM architecture ?
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I'm going to keep it docked most of the time anyway, so I'll probably use XFCE. I need external USB hardware support for various network devices, a real browser and a real office suite that works with openoffice documents. Having a real development environment is a plus.
I know it won't be fast, but I'm hoping to retain decent battery life with all this and have it be lightweight.
the HDMI output is also nice, and using the tegra linux drivers I'll have WAY more control over the output (different resolutions and such)
all the source is out there, someone just needs to put it all together and compile it, and I'm getting impatient. I'll have two weeks off and the only other thing I have to do is swap a new motor into a '93 towncar (2 days tops) so I'll have some time to dedicate to it, I'll get as far as I can and then put what I got up on github or something.
Ok so it will be a classic "keyboard'n mouse" use, not a "fingers" use
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If I wanted that I'd just keep android
I already have an android device that does everything I want/need on a touchscreen.
not to say I won't work on adding some features. I've used POS terminals as personal computers and I have a fair amount of elo touchscreen LCDs I used to use at home and in the dash of my car. (Motorola MW520/MW800s are pretty badass little digital media players if you set them up right.
but you can make any interface touch friendly by doubling the DPI, you essentially only get 25% of the "screen real estate" but it works, and it's a quick and dirty solution, it's not hard to change on the fly when I have an xserver I can dump and reload at will.
I'm hoping I'll be able to utilize the JB bootloader since it already supports a 3.x kernel. should save me some work.
Cheapxj said:
If I wanted that I'd just keep android
I already have an android device that does everything I want/need on a touchscreen.
not to say I won't work on adding some features. I've used POS terminals as personal computers and I have a fair amount of elo touchscreen LCDs I used to use at home and in the dash of my car. (Motorola MW520/MW800s are pretty badass little digital media players if you set them up right.
but you can make any interface touch friendly by doubling the DPI, you essentially only get 25% of the "screen real estate" but it works, and it's a quick and dirty solution, it's not hard to change on the fly when I have an xserver I can dump and reload at will.
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I've been a long tester of linux desktop (window managers, ...) and i'd be interested in a standard linux desktop adapted to touchscreen use. At the moment i don't know any of them (gnome, kde, ...) that are touchscreen ready (apart of android) but i'm still looking for that experience. I have at home a old pc fof my linux experiments and i would buy a touchscreen lcd for that linux desktop if there was some nice solution. But i don't see any for the moment.
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I am also waiting for JB to drop be for I get to hardcore into kernels 3.1 or 3.5, but now that I have nvflash working I am working on a method to boot a working kernel of of 2.6 and just get a working concept going.
as much as I don't like ubuntu, it is the one that most are comfortable and has the most dev activity. multi-touch 5 finger is obtainable albeit probably need to hack 3.1 to do it or just go with my desire to get to 3.5.
I am planning instead of repartitioning to just use a couple loop img files 1. for root 2. swap and 3. for home (this way a user can make what size he wants) . it will make everything so much easier.
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I also want linux on infinity
" I want real linux on this thing. it's such a rad piece of hardware, and with some real linux I can...
... I want this thing to be a netbook replacement + touchscreen "
times many!
I do not care if it is a dual-boot situation or boot from a stick or card, but I'm waiting to buy one until I see a reasonable way to run a bodhi or kde or ubuntu 10 on an infinity...
AND, I do not have the skills to hack it up...
If anyone creates a way to do this with a few clicks (or REALLY SIMPLE command lines, I mean really really really simple, not just simple from a programers view = )
I really want to know, as the infinity hardware is everything I need...
thanks for working on it!
kokoPedli said:
" I want real linux on this thing. it's such a rad piece of hardware, and with some real linux I can...
... I want this thing to be a netbook replacement + touchscreen "
times many!
I do not care if it is a dual-boot situation or boot from a stick or card, but I'm waiting to buy one until I see a reasonable way to run a bodhi or kde or ubuntu 10 on an infinity...
AND, I do not have the skills to hack it up...
If anyone creates a way to do this with a few clicks (or REALLY SIMPLE command lines, I mean really really really simple, not just simple from a programers view = )
I really want to know, as the infinity hardware is everything I need...
thanks for working on it!
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Im in the same situation, but I want complex commands

[Completed] Is it possible to root a WM8880/GA-1311F-based laptop?

Hello, I'm really new to Android devices. In fact, this is my first Android-based device ever. But I do have a lot of experience with Linux and Windows, and it's weird how locked down ARM-based hardware actually is. Android isn't as bad as Apple, but it's still a lot less freedom than I'm used to having. I'm getting the impression that installing custom ROM would be almost as much of a pain as installing the Homebrew Channel on a Wii.
Anyway, one thing that I should point out about my device is that it has no touchscreen at all. It has a touchpad and a keyboard in a laptop form factor, but it runs Android. It has SD card slots, USB ports, and an Ethernet port. It's a netbook with smartphone hardware. I'm curious what I can do with it, and I wouldn't be losing much if I bricked it.
If it were possible, I'd be interested in figuring out how to compile a custom version of Linux for it and flash it to ROM. I really think X with a light Window manager would work well on that hardware. If I can't, though, I would be content with a newer version of Android. It's currently running Jelly Bean and I'm wondering what the new versions are like.
The only thing I've been able to find out about the device is that it's based on a WonderMedia Prizm WM8880, has 1GB of RAM, 8GB of storage, and a 1.5GHz Cortex A9 processor. Mali-400 Graphics. In Google Play, the device is listed as No Carrier WonderMedia GA-1311F. I did a search for GA-1311F, and I found no results.
Note that I don't have an actual Manufacturer or model number, everything I can find digging around leads back to the chipset manufacturer, WonderMedia or some company called WMT. It seems like WonderMedia has ties to VIA technologies, and that they definitely don't make the device I'm using. So that means I have no idea who the manufacturer is.
Is any of this information helpful, or is my device unable to be hacked simply because the manufacturer is too obscure?
Sorry to bump my own thread, but I thought I would mention that I've managed to find out about a method called KingRoot that often works on Android 4.2. I managed to install the APK, but the program got to around 60% and then said my device couldn't be rooted.
I'm not crazy about most of the other methods because they require a USB cable that I don't have. Most Android phones or tablets would presumably have a mini-USB port with a small end for the phone and a large end for the computer, like my Windows Phone does. This machine only has regular-sized USB ports, however, and thus I would need to buy a USB male A to USB male A cord that's capable of performing the same function. I hate to waste the money on it not knowing if it will even work, though. I'm also wondering if I need to worry about crossover vs. patch cables like I would with Ethernet, etc. It's starting to seem like more trouble than it's worth.
There was another method I tried called OneClickRoot, but they told me that I needed to have that same dreaded cable hooked up to my PC, AND pay them $20 on top of it. I'm pretty sure that's ridiculous.
I'm probably going to figure this out eventually, but I'm really frustrated that this is tougher than hacking my Wii was. Embedded systems with non-standard hardware are an amazing pain to deal with.
EDIT: Even thoughc it said it failed, all of a sudden BusyBox installed successfully after I restarted the computer. I think I may have done it, although I'm not sure. Apparently I have a Linux kernel on here already somehow... is that the part of Android that's based on Linux?
imgur.com/HiRyqW2
Still, there's not much I'm finding that tells me how to set up anything much better than using a terminal and a VNC viewer within Android to view a Linux system running on top of it. I guess that could be useful if I had a beefier Android device, but with this it's only useful for a command line.
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